The girls knows her kicks. Great moves, very fluid. A female martial artist ? In 1924 ? Very ahead of their time, les savateurs. Impressive ! Vive la France !
For a film that old it is informative and to see Prof. Charlemont himself teaching is like WOW, Savate was my first martial art i still cant find a marital art i love as much as Savate
Something I find wonderful about this is thinking about the era - film was new. The idea that you could have precise slow motion footage of these moves must have been amazing for experts and casual viewers alike.
@@paulhomsy2751 I mean the French have had martial arts competitions for several hundred years so yeah I'd say it counts as "new" in the scheme of things.
malheureusement , ils ont été envoyés dans une guerre fratricide contre l'Allemagne pour éliminer les plus forts de ces deux pays afin d'instaurer le nouvel ordre mondial
Какая эфективность?Это клоунада самая настоящая.Не путайте бокс с танцами.Это просто неуклюжие движения которые когда то перейдут в лоукики,хайкики и т.д. и то совершенно другими людьми.С такой техникой тебя ребёнок убьёт))))
@@billybob8836 mais ils maîtrisent tous également la garde haute. C'est simplement qu'ils sont tellement bons avec leurs esquives et mouvements de têtes qu'ils peuvent se permettre de garder les mains en bas. Dali disait qu'il faut d'abord maîtriser parfaitement la technique du dessin classique avant de se lancer dans l'art abstrait. C'est la même chose en boxe : c'est parce qu'ils maîtrisent les bases que certains boxeurs qu'ils peuvent prendre des risques. Ce n'est probablement pas le cas des gens dans cette vidéo. Cependant les sports de combat ont énormément évolué en 100 ans, et pour leur époque peut être que c'étaient de bons combattants.
Yes, Bruce Lee adopted Savate as one of his major front in offense and defense. He adopted Savate's advance and retreat footwork, both slow and quick, with very slight modifications. He was very comfortable and fascinated with the range of Savate kicks, even with those kicks that other martial artists found a bit awkward and uncomfortable to adopt. You can see him use these techniques, mainly the kicks, footwork and dancing around on his toes in Return of the Dragon against Chuck Norris.
So, Bruce didn't adapt the kicking techniques of Taekwondo, Muay Thai or Karate, but rather, he studied parts of the awkward French version of watered down Asian martial arts techniques? Well, if that's the case, then much of or most of the Chinese martial arts should give credit to African martial arts such as Dambe, Laamb, and Zulu stick fighting.
@@skineyemin4276 I don't understand your sarcasm. Although Bruce Lee was aware of many major martial arts and adopted some things of value, he paid more attention to the technical attitudes and skills of western boxing and French savate and perfectly molded them in his fighting methods successfully to form an highly effective frontline offense and defense method. He was not a fool, but a very practical sensible Martial artist, weighing the pros and cons of each perfectly! You do your own unbiased research before commenting. En Garde!
*TRANSLATIONS* 00:09 - la boxe française est un des sports les plus complets et constitue en même temps un excellent moyens de défense. *"French boxing is one of the most complete sports and is at the same time an excellent means of defense."* 00:23 - Le maître de la boxe française: Professeur Charlemont. *"The master of French boxing: Professor Charlemont."* 00:38 - Voici "au ralenti" quelques coups classiques démontrés par le professeur charlemont. et un de ses élèves. *"Here are "in slow motion" some classic moves demonstrated by Professor Charlemont and one of his students."* 01:15 - coup de pied bas et coup de pied de flane. *"low kick and flank kick."* 01:38 - Un chassé croisé en sautant. *"a chassé croisé while jumping."* 01:56 - revers de pied en sautant. *"backhand kick while jumping."* 02:33 - Cette démonstration prouve que la boxe française est accessible a tous. *"This demonstration proves that French boxing is accessible to all."* 03:42 - Une phase au ralenti *"a slow-motion phase"* 04:46 - un joli coup de pied de figure. *"a nice kick in the face."*
@@أفكاريوأطواري Il y a un siècle, c'était des précurseurs. A la même époque, le Japon cherchait a répandre le judo de Jigoro Kano, et le sparring japonais venu en France s'est pris une raclée . par le boxeur français chargé de le tester. Ils ne s'amusaient pas entre eux.
The professor had a very good lady student. The guy he chose was very good as well. To see people perform kicks head level for this time is pretty interesting.
@@Polentaccio consider that this is a century ago. When fighting sports were almost totally unknown in Europe. Seeing this woman kicking like this, even off balance is pretty impressive
Savate was developing as a sport when this was made. Originally Savate was a streetfighting art. The kicks are deadly when pointed tipped dress shoes are worn. Tennis shoes are new to society.Finger jabs were also common in the original style
Wrong! Its origins does not come from streetfighting, it originates from fencing. When swords were banned, they were forced to use their arms and legs like a fencer.
@@nathanmerritt1581 Wrong: it was really borned in the street… Then nobles (and after army) wanted to learn it for self defense… That’s why it’s codified using « fence » words… But as every martial arts, it’s never born from elsewhere than the street ;)
My father taught me Savate when i was young. He was already a boxer and picked it up in France in WWII. Later training with Joe Lewis, learning Bruce's JKD, you could see many influences from Savate.
@@flyingfrogofdeath9616 No. Take the thing that works and fit to you. From the same martial art or not. Visite other martial art or boxing school is not only a jkd approch.
As someone who learned the old style Savate growing up I must say I'm quite impressed with his student. Very interesting seeing the main man himself, 😎🍻
Wow, great Clip and old Lady. The jumping Side Kick very often by Bruce lee used. 3:05 Now i see this technique before he was born. I think he had copied this Kick from Old Savate books. He wrote that he also studied Savate
"The man himself: Prof. Charlemont. I can't believe how few people appreciate the simple fact of whom it is they're watching." I definitely appreciate who this is. Student looks very sharp as well.
j'ai pratiqué la boxe française dans les années 70 c'est un très bon sport de plus en complément je pratiquais la canne et le bâton que j'ai toujours en ma possession. belles images du passé💪🤨🥊
Moi, j'ai toujours un balai en ma possession, certains diront qu'aujourd'hui, pour mordre la poussière, ça ne fait plus le poids face à l'aspirateur, mais rien ne le vaut contre les feuilles mortes ou la neige sur la terrasse !
In begining of 20th century, here in Brazil, the Savate was very influent; the first men who constructed jiu jitsu, luta livre and vale-tudo were Savate practicioners.
Quem são estes homens que construíram estas artes marciais e praticaram Savate? Qual é a fonte desta informação? O que o jiu-jitsu brasileiro pratica que foi influenciado pelo Savate?
You know that crushing kick Bruce Lee delivered to Bob Wall's O'Hara that sent the latter flying into the men and similarly in the alley training scene in The Way of The Dragon is an example of a Savate kick: the chassé croisé. Notice how Lee leaps into the air and chambers his leg before delivering the kick.
You stomping your feet only telegraphs your intentions and puts your opponent on alert. Anyone that believes this nonsense has never fought a day in their lives and knows about fighting through the rehearsed moves for a scripted movie. This is just as stupid and ridiculous as the French in real life.😣😣😣😣😂😂😂😂
На самом деле - очень неплохо, конечно прошло уже 100 лет и техники боя сильно изменились, но это очень неплохо. Я не думал, что они и ноги активно использовали... Это круто.
Just to be more precise… 1- this is not savate, this is traditional french boxe: savate has never been really codified… It was the art of kicking with the shoe. It spreaded a lot in the street after french revolution Some « gentlemen » tried to codify a bit it with « duel »… but nothing to do with navy from Marseille: each region as their own way to do « savate » Then a fight happened in 1838 between savate and english boxe: savate get punched his ass so deeply that a savate practioner went to learn english boxing… When finished to learn, he decided to codify a mix between savate and english boxing: french kickboxing (« boxe française ») was born then (1840) The name of this guy was Charles Lecour… Later in the 19th century, other official codification will be done (Charlemont) But all of them will take as a constant that the shoe has to be rigid and high: Just changing shoe to « chausson » make the difference between the sport from self defense. Unfortunately, after WW2, no more enough teachers and worst: the shoes are completely changing for what we know today… Soften and low on ankle. In 1960, some few teachers re-codified the traditional french kickboxing in what we can call « modern french kickboxing » more based on sport part than self defense: lots of technics has been banned because of dangerouness or abandonned because of lack of efficiency in a full sport methodology The rise of thaï boxing in the 70’ and later « kickboxing » in the 90’, led the official federation to create another category in the end of 2000: savate pro Like the K1 rules but without knees but with shoes… Too late the fashion was already pointing to MMA. 2- No Bruce Lee never learned french kickboxing: he read some writtings about it and get inspired for creating JKD… But he never learned from a master and never been a « tireur ». 3- Is french kickboxing is effective? Yes and no: With doc Martens shoes, you will pulverize any thaï boxer… But without, it’s more the opposite Whatever if french kickboxing practionners were the best at light and mid weight kickboxing matches during the end of 90’ and the end of 2000… This is for 2 reasons: A- they started to train young and they « just » has to learn to use shin and use more the hips when striking B- you learn distance really well with this martial art: you can’t block low kicks, you need to dodge them If you want to begin to be effective, you have to wait 3 years at least because you just spare in light contact as a beginner. On the others side, this is perhaps the kickboxing method were you learn a clean english boxe: if you’re too close from the opponent, rater use punches because it’s harder to kick with just the shoe at your opponent
Very true, i always tell people that original Savate is kind of a 'improvised weapon' system. Even in old English common law they recognized the danger of kicking someone with "the shod foot", that later came to include kicking a man when down, but the original idea was that using a shod foot was like having a weapon and the charge went from 'assault' to "aggravated assault'.
Watching this video, and having studied Shotokan and very little Savate myself, I really see two things. One, I can truly understand why there is an argument that Karate developed kicks from Savate. The footwork is there. The second thing is actually how practical that lean in quick kick to the kneecap is. Remember, these techniques were developed when heavy boots were the norm. A snapback while landing a kick to the kneecap is a nasty fight ender. Also, that last snapback she did was actually a type of trip or sweep counter off of a kick. I really like that move. I'm thinking it's done with a plant of the lead leg with a slight level change to keep the weight centered while, instead of the half step back, the lead is drawn a half step to deliver the rear into the planted leg's knee. A very nice technique that looks awkward but is very practical. That lead jumping hook kick is actually nasty since it comes blind and is hard to read. It would be particularly devasting if it goes hook kick to the head and, upon landing, the kick is then thrown to the lead leg with downward force and would be difficult to block due to the initial strike to the head. Very nice techniques from the man himself.
A 3 miinutes : le "fouétté de figure " est superbe ! .D'ailleurs la femme de cette vidéo a aussi des " coups de pieds de flancs" très élégants, très techniques !
Yes having film footage of a fighting method is priceless. I studied Danzan ryu Jujitsu up to brown belt 2nd degree. And found at at one point film footage of demonstrations of DRZ it is great for comparison to what people are taught now.
she must of learned some type of Karata or was a belle dancer. i do not think kick boxing was a thing yet. she clearly knew what she was doing and had the flexibility to pull off those head kicks.
Savate has a good History, From English boxing to French streets, she was made of efficients movements from old French Empire Police...This is just a part of this old sport...
Watching this video, I now know that Karate is originated from Savate, I should say... At least, there was no round house kick in Japanese Karate in this period. Savate is a great martial art! I'm a supreme master of Shorin ryu Karatedo Ton Chin Kan(小林流空手道頓珍館). Oss!
It’s nice to watch old films on this but the kicks are very similar to a lot of other martial arts kicks. Been keeping up with Bruce Lee. But never really heard him say much on showing us how he incorporated it into his training.
maybe....fencing has a stomping, hoping motion to get a faster forward lunge. I believe it is the 'balistra ', and boxe francaise was heavily influenced by fencing (and ballet) so it probably derives from that.
There are serious changes in boxing guards, after Europian people came across Filipino martial artists. Still Savate's kicks seem so effective that it is used even today.
from Filipino martial arts?..lol. you have been reading some completely made up boxing history. The film does indeed show very old style boxing punches and guards, they are more like the bare-knuckle era.The vertical punches are very bare knuckle era style. they are a little old even for the 1920s. such methods can be seen in Donovin's book from ,i think, the 1890s(that was reprinted). The boxing changed radically because of the addition of gloves, which were not completely mandatory until the 1890s or later. that change had absolutely nothing to do with Filipino martial arts, that did not even exist ,in the forms we know today, back then.
@@MAXIMUMVOL So am I....although I would never use the term 'kali', its another quite recent term, that is part of a fake history. as for 'so"...which part? the part where you are full of phony history?
I came home one night in 1924 from the bar and a couple guys roughed me up. The woman in the video was my wife Matilda. I told Matilda what had happened to me at the bar. She got dressed and went down to the bar and thus, Chinese Connection was born! Took down the whole bar.....
I remember how once cornered I had to fight twelve guys. No training but I did work as a truck driver and delivery service from age twelve. Took the punches, didn't hurt me, punched back broke em. When I saw how many of em there were I just resorted to grabbing people and trying to bite em. They let us leave after that. Never were more thankful for having to load that truck every morning, push it to start and then chase after it to get it to start. To this day I look twenties though I'm forty, guess a hard life does Mae you better.
The girls knows her kicks. Great moves, very fluid. A female martial artist ? In 1924 ? Very ahead of their time, les savateurs. Impressive ! Vive la France !
The man himself: Prof. Charlemont. I can't believe how few people appreciate the simple fact of whom it is they're watching.
Nick Hentschel
I do !
Heimrik01 idem
Bruce Lee was inspired by Savate Boxing and he had assimilited a lot
FODASE?
I have been doing martial arts for over 45 years. And this is the first time I have ever heard of him.
Incredible footage almost a hundred years old
For a film that old it is informative and to see Prof. Charlemont himself teaching is like WOW, Savate was my first martial art i still cant find a marital art i love as much as Savate
Savate is a combat sport
But I agree with you : nothing please me more than doing savate !
(Yeah ... 2 years later uh ...)
Something I find wonderful about this is thinking about the era - film was new. The idea that you could have precise slow motion footage of these moves must have been amazing for experts and casual viewers alike.
Film was not quite "new" then. Cinema is a French invention of the late 1800s. They already had developed the proper technique for slow motion.
@@paulhomsy2751 I mean the French have had martial arts competitions for several hundred years so yeah I'd say it counts as "new" in the scheme of things.
Indeed. Film was not only new, but not even experienced by most people.
Film was 45+years old by the time this clip came out.
Très très belle vidéo de nos ancêtres . De très belle techniques et nous pouvons imaginer l efficacité qu ils avaient à cette époque..
malheureusement , ils ont été envoyés dans une guerre fratricide contre l'Allemagne pour éliminer les plus forts de ces deux pays afin d'instaurer le nouvel ordre mondial
Какая эфективность?Это клоунада самая настоящая.Не путайте бокс с танцами.Это просто неуклюжие движения которые когда то перейдут в лоукики,хайкики и т.д. и то совершенно другими людьми.С такой техникой тебя ребёнок убьёт))))
@@lakota6910 beaucoup de boxeurs notamment en anglaise ont la garde basse voire pas de garde du tout
@@billybob8836 mais ils maîtrisent tous également la garde haute. C'est simplement qu'ils sont tellement bons avec leurs esquives et mouvements de têtes qu'ils peuvent se permettre de garder les mains en bas.
Dali disait qu'il faut d'abord maîtriser parfaitement la technique du dessin classique avant de se lancer dans l'art abstrait. C'est la même chose en boxe : c'est parce qu'ils maîtrisent les bases que certains boxeurs qu'ils peuvent prendre des risques.
Ce n'est probablement pas le cas des gens dans cette vidéo. Cependant les sports de combat ont énormément évolué en 100 ans, et pour leur époque peut être que c'étaient de bons combattants.
@@thejoojoo9999 tu es un gros caca pipi prout prout mon petit bébé love love
Yes, Bruce Lee adopted Savate as one of his major front in offense and defense. He adopted Savate's advance and retreat footwork, both slow and quick, with very slight modifications. He was very comfortable and fascinated with the range of Savate kicks, even with those kicks that other martial artists found a bit awkward and uncomfortable to adopt. You can see him use these techniques, mainly the kicks, footwork and dancing around on his toes in Return of the Dragon against Chuck Norris.
Do you mean shuffle attacks?
So, Bruce didn't adapt the kicking techniques of Taekwondo, Muay Thai or Karate, but rather, he studied parts of the awkward French version of watered down Asian martial arts techniques? Well, if that's the case, then much of or most of the Chinese martial arts should give credit to African martial arts such as Dambe, Laamb, and Zulu stick fighting.
@@skineyemin4276 I don't understand your sarcasm. Although Bruce Lee was aware of many major martial arts and adopted some things of value, he paid more attention to the technical attitudes and skills of western boxing and French savate and perfectly molded them in his fighting methods successfully to form an highly effective frontline offense and defense method. He was not a fool, but a very practical sensible Martial artist, weighing the pros and cons of each perfectly! You do your own unbiased research before commenting. En Garde!
@@skineyemin4276 japanese karate for sure did. All the kicks came from French sailors. Savage has had a hand in quite few martial arts.
@@huntergrant6520 bullshit, karate kicks come from wushu and are like 4000 years old
*TRANSLATIONS*
00:09 - la boxe française est un des sports les plus complets et constitue en même temps un excellent moyens de défense.
*"French boxing is one of the most complete sports and is at the same time an excellent means of defense."*
00:23 - Le maître de la boxe française: Professeur Charlemont.
*"The master of French boxing: Professor Charlemont."*
00:38 - Voici "au ralenti" quelques coups classiques démontrés par le professeur charlemont. et un de ses élèves.
*"Here are "in slow motion" some classic moves demonstrated by Professor Charlemont and one of his students."*
01:15 - coup de pied bas et coup de pied de flane.
*"low kick and flank kick."*
01:38 - Un chassé croisé en sautant.
*"a chassé croisé while jumping."*
01:56 - revers de pied en sautant.
*"backhand kick while jumping."*
02:33 - Cette démonstration prouve que la boxe française est accessible a tous.
*"This demonstration proves that French boxing is accessible to all."*
03:42 - Une phase au ralenti
*"a slow-motion phase"*
04:46 - un joli coup de pied de figure.
*"a nice kick in the face."*
Thank you very much!!
Si ce n'est que pour cette vidéo que la boxe française est la plus complète, en tout cas désolé ! C'est comme de l'amusement ça ! 🤮
@@أفكاريوأطواري Il y a un siècle, c'était des précurseurs.
A la même époque, le Japon cherchait a répandre le judo de Jigoro Kano, et le sparring japonais venu en France s'est pris une raclée . par le boxeur français chargé de le tester. Ils ne s'amusaient pas entre eux.
Awesome!
The professor had a very good lady student. The guy he chose was very good as well. To see people perform kicks head level for this time is pretty interesting.
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She's terrible. Throwing herself off balance, horrible weaving. sloppy. I think this demo is an embarassment.
Just garbage and stupid that only uncoordinated and unathletic Europeans would find fascinating.😣😣😣😣
@@Polentaccio Please show us your video highlighting proper technique.
@@Polentaccio consider that this is a century ago. When fighting sports were almost totally unknown in Europe. Seeing this woman kicking like this, even off balance is pretty impressive
Wow. It's interesting to see footage this old, and how the style has evolved
Savate was developing as a sport when this was made. Originally Savate was a streetfighting art. The kicks are deadly when pointed tipped dress shoes are worn. Tennis shoes are new to society.Finger jabs were also common in the original style
It's about 300 years old. It was invented by the French navy.
Wrong! Its origins does not come from streetfighting, it originates from fencing. When swords were banned, they were forced to use their arms and legs like a fencer.
@@nathanmerritt1581 Don't forget canes.
@@nathanmerritt1581
Wrong: it was really borned in the street…
Then nobles (and after army) wanted to learn it for self defense…
That’s why it’s codified using « fence » words… But as every martial arts, it’s never born from elsewhere than the street ;)
@@DescartesStrollsIntoAPub cannes de combat does look just like this. Weapons are just extensions of how you handle your body.
My father taught me Savate when i was young. He was already a boxer and picked it up in France in WWII. Later training with Joe Lewis, learning Bruce's JKD, you could see many influences from Savate.
That's the point of JKD. Take the things that work from other martial arts and mesh well with the others
Amazing
JKD also has a lot from european fencing.
@@flyingfrogofdeath9616 No. Take the thing that works and fit to you. From the same martial art or not. Visite other martial art or boxing school is not only a jkd approch.
Joe Louis.
As someone who learned the old style Savate growing up I must say I'm quite impressed with his student. Very interesting seeing the main man himself, 😎🍻
Which student?
Wow, great Clip and old Lady.
The jumping Side Kick very often by Bruce lee used. 3:05
Now i see this technique before he was born.
I think he had copied this Kick from Old Savate books.
He wrote that he also studied Savate
analysis16261 Karate doesn't have that kick.
@@mason7645
Yes, *_it does,_* the style of sidekick you see at 3:05 (with greater technique) is almost iconic.
You're muted.
analysis16261 well, I learned wkf Karate, and I watch kumite many times.
But I never saw that kick.
Wkf.. kyokushin.. I've never seen a kick like that in any other factions.
analysis16261 Can you tell me which faction you learned it?
Do you even know what’s the difference between karate and *Kung Fu?*
Thanks youtube for recommending this video.
"The man himself: Prof. Charlemont. I can't believe how few people appreciate the simple fact of whom it is they're watching."
I definitely appreciate who this is. Student looks very sharp as well.
C'est touchant :) j'ai été champion d'Europe de Boxe française , heureusement que nous avons appris différemment ! :)
Bruce Lee also used the hot step from this system. Stomping the ground before kicking, and gaining more power in his side kick from this.
Mmmm, I dont not if thas true, Thats a simple kung fu side kick
@@carlosandres1835 Wing Chun doesn't teach this version of the side kick. Bruce Lee mentions in his book that he studied Savate while in university.
That’s true!
it's bartitsu, ignorant
Yup u right
Watching this I can feel how the art connects us to our ancestors.
j'ai pratiqué la boxe française dans les années 70
c'est un très bon sport
de plus en complément
je pratiquais la canne et le bâton que j'ai toujours en ma possession.
belles images du passé💪🤨🥊
Moi, j'ai toujours un balai en ma possession, certains diront qu'aujourd'hui, pour mordre la poussière, ça ne fait plus le poids face à l'aspirateur, mais rien ne le vaut contre les feuilles mortes ou la neige sur la terrasse !
Очень похоже на таэквондо Li Doo Kwan 70х годов. Я пол жизни отдал похожей системе. Никогда не думал, что Savate, так похож. Спасибо автору!
This is where karate got ist high kicks from. And the kumite tournament-style ideas to.
Thanks for uploading. Fascinating to see which elements are still part of the style today and which have changed.
In begining of 20th century, here in Brazil, the Savate was very influent; the first men who constructed jiu jitsu, luta livre and vale-tudo were Savate practicioners.
Which could also mean that they did everything they could to come up with another style, because this one made you look like an angry ballerina...
Quem são estes homens que construíram estas artes marciais e praticaram Savate?
Qual é a fonte desta informação?
O que o jiu-jitsu brasileiro pratica que foi influenciado pelo Savate?
Just ridiculous and stupid. Capoeira is way more effective than this stupid European nonsense that should be laughed at.😣😣😣😣
@@eduardomacedo6987 No canal do Núcleo Dharma tem um vídeo a respeito disso,dá uma procurada lá.
@@blacksheepinthebigshitty9544 indeed 😆
You know that crushing kick Bruce Lee delivered to Bob Wall's O'Hara that sent the latter flying into the men and similarly in the alley training scene in The Way of The Dragon is an example of a Savate kick: the chassé croisé. Notice how Lee leaps into the air and chambers his leg before delivering the kick.
You stomping your feet only telegraphs your intentions and puts your opponent on alert. Anyone that believes this nonsense has never fought a day in their lives and knows about fighting through the rehearsed moves for a scripted movie. This is just as stupid and ridiculous as the French in real life.😣😣😣😣😂😂😂😂
True that's crazy they did it before bruce lee
Bursting side in JKD. Yes it appears to be a modified version of a Savate weapon.
В тхеквандо не так?
@Disgruntled Simp Mod although karate/tkd use more of the side of the foot or heel
Cette vidéo est un vrai trésor !
Merci infiniment pour ce partage ..
This video is a real treasure!
Thank you so much for sharing this..
This is absolutely mind blowing. Deepest appreciation for this, thank you
This kind of things doesn't work today XD, it shows that it is very old !
На самом деле - очень неплохо, конечно прошло уже 100 лет и техники боя сильно изменились, но это очень неплохо. Я не думал, что они и ноги активно использовали... Это круто.
So cool to see a woman fight back then!
Maitre Charlemont ... incroyable !
A very robust 62 year-old professor, for sure
This shows you how much the art of striking has evolved.
Just to be more precise…
1- this is not savate, this is traditional french boxe: savate has never been really codified… It was the art of kicking with the shoe. It spreaded a lot in the street after french revolution
Some « gentlemen » tried to codify a bit it with « duel »… but nothing to do with navy from Marseille: each region as their own way to do « savate »
Then a fight happened in 1838 between savate and english boxe: savate get punched his ass so deeply that a savate practioner went to learn english boxing…
When finished to learn, he decided to codify a mix between savate and english boxing: french kickboxing (« boxe française ») was born then (1840)
The name of this guy was Charles Lecour…
Later in the 19th century, other official codification will be done (Charlemont)
But all of them will take as a constant that the shoe has to be rigid and high:
Just changing shoe to « chausson » make the difference between the sport from self defense.
Unfortunately, after WW2, no more enough teachers and worst: the shoes are completely changing for what we know today… Soften and low on ankle.
In 1960, some few teachers re-codified the traditional french kickboxing in what we can call « modern french kickboxing » more based on sport part than self defense: lots of technics has been banned because of dangerouness or abandonned because of lack of efficiency in a full sport methodology
The rise of thaï boxing in the 70’ and later « kickboxing » in the 90’, led the official federation to create another category in the end of 2000: savate pro
Like the K1 rules but without knees but with shoes… Too late the fashion was already pointing to MMA.
2- No Bruce Lee never learned french kickboxing: he read some writtings about it and get inspired for creating JKD… But he never learned from a master and never been a « tireur ».
3- Is french kickboxing is effective? Yes and no:
With doc Martens shoes, you will pulverize any thaï boxer… But without, it’s more the opposite
Whatever if french kickboxing practionners were the best at light and mid weight kickboxing matches during the end of 90’ and the end of 2000… This is for 2 reasons:
A- they started to train young and they « just » has to learn to use shin and use more the hips when striking
B- you learn distance really well with this martial art: you can’t block low kicks, you need to dodge them
If you want to begin to be effective, you have to wait 3 years at least because you just spare in light contact as a beginner.
On the others side, this is perhaps the kickboxing method were you learn a clean english boxe: if you’re too close from the opponent, rater use punches because it’s harder to kick with just the shoe at your opponent
Very true, i always tell people that original Savate is kind of a 'improvised weapon' system. Even in old English common law they recognized the danger of kicking someone with "the shod foot", that later came to include kicking a man when down, but the original idea was that using a shod foot was like having a weapon and the charge went from 'assault' to "aggravated assault'.
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Savate is a french word bud.
Professeur Charlemont has huge balls.
Мы точно так же в детстве дрались после просмотра фильмов с Ван-Дамом
Watching this video, and having studied Shotokan and very little Savate myself, I really see two things. One, I can truly understand why there is an argument that Karate developed kicks from Savate. The footwork is there.
The second thing is actually how practical that lean in quick kick to the kneecap is. Remember, these techniques were developed when heavy boots were the norm. A snapback while landing a kick to the kneecap is a nasty fight ender. Also, that last snapback she did was actually a type of trip or sweep counter off of a kick. I really like that move. I'm thinking it's done with a plant of the lead leg with a slight level change to keep the weight centered while, instead of the half step back, the lead is drawn a half step to deliver the rear into the planted leg's knee. A very nice technique that looks awkward but is very practical.
That lead jumping hook kick is actually nasty since it comes blind and is hard to read. It would be particularly devasting if it goes hook kick to the head and, upon landing, the kick is then thrown to the lead leg with downward force and would be difficult to block due to the initial strike to the head. Very nice techniques from the man himself.
I Wonder If the arched backs are a concious decision. I recognize a lot of fencing philosophy behind the striking. This is super cool
The kicks's is very amazing. It goes vertical or diagonal, maintaining strength and speed.
Que buena demostración de técnicas y que hermoso arte marcial
Très élégant à voir en tout cas 👍
Très impressionné par la combattante !
Всё самое гениальное ,как всегда просто👍для улицы самое то
He 100% looks like the pugilism professor he is, the typical adventurer from 100 years ago, how I would imagine them...
That right there, yes. . . That´s something really really amazing.
A 3 miinutes : le "fouétté de figure " est superbe ! .D'ailleurs la femme de cette vidéo a aussi des " coups de pieds de flancs" très élégants, très techniques !
énorme ! super old-school !
I would LOVE to see Savate adapted in video game.
It doesn’t look outdated. The techniques are practical. And it kinda similar to karate.
Actually this is where karate got its high kicks from savate.
The boxing is pretty rough around the edges ngl
those Pajamas are the only dated thing in this video.
@Achraf Er-ramy Go back to where you belong.
The Quality of this film is Insane. Thank you Dragonfist12185
Los artemarcialistas estuvieron excelentes, la chica bastante ágil y con mucha visión de ataque. ¡Qué vídeo tan hermoso, gracias por subirlo!
Sería interesante que artemarcialistas modernos comentaran sobre esta técnica de combate...
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The physical aspect consists of your routine punches and kicks, the pyschological aspect consists of showing up in your underpants
This is awesome.. That woman is amazing..
chasse croise - unique lift of kick leg before stepping and kicking.
They are throwing the straight punches vertical.
Yes having film footage of a fighting method is priceless. I studied Danzan ryu Jujitsu up to brown belt 2nd degree. And found at at one point film footage of demonstrations of DRZ it is great for comparison to what people are taught now.
3:00 really nice round kick! Notice the pivot foot movement
3:24 great kicking moves!
she must of learned some type of Karata or was a belle dancer. i do not think kick boxing was a thing yet. she clearly knew what she was doing and had the flexibility to pull off those head kicks.
This was awesome!
It's really cool seeing martial arts from the past.
interesting to see this old french boxing (the sport I'm doing). :D
Tu honores le pays du croissant en faisant cela !
Magnifique !!!
Este vídeo é uma jóia, só posso dizer obrigado.
Τhis is awesome so much in modern martial arts has been taken from this ! its your Grandaddy !
I dunno what I'm looking at, but it's beautiful
It's quite amazing watching fights which happened almost 100 years ago :-D
So another year this gonna be 100 years of this clip
Mi piace molto come entra la ragazza! Davvero un bel video!
Holy shit this is amazing
Magnifique merci pour ce partage
Savate has a good History, From English boxing to French streets, she was made of efficients movements from old French Empire Police...This is just a part of this old sport...
Amazing footage from another time.
Cool Techniques.
Nice Scientific Moves by an Expert!
So many holes in that system
Watching this video, I now know that Karate is originated from Savate, I should say...
At least, there was no round house kick in Japanese Karate in this period.
Savate is a great martial art!
I'm a supreme master of Shorin ryu Karatedo Ton Chin Kan(小林流空手道頓珍館).
Oss!
That was before Bruce Lee was born. But Bruce adopted it and gave it a better meaning and definition!
Bruce Lee etait un adepte de boxe FRANCAISE des 1964
Epatant, j'ai pratiqué dans ma jeunesse, années 90 (1990, je dois préciser!)
It's like watching a poetry come alive. Yes, i get carried away sometimes.
I've never seen something so french in my life, and I've seen a baguette with a mustache riding a bike while smoking a cigarette.
I was thinking 'None of these people have any hip mobility' until the lady threw a high roundhouse. Looking good.
It’s nice to watch old films on this but the kicks are very similar to a lot of other martial arts kicks. Been keeping up with Bruce Lee. But never really heard him say much on showing us how he incorporated it into his training.
He named kicks by savate names - its enough
Old school.
Probably the first video lesson of martial arts
fascinating video, need more of this historical ones..👏👏👏
Great document of time.
こう見ると格闘技術の進歩って本当すごいんだな
The wrestling stomp forward was clearly inspired by this art form. Super cool.
maybe....fencing has a stomping, hoping motion to get a faster forward lunge. I believe it is the 'balistra ', and boxe francaise was heavily influenced by fencing (and ballet) so it probably derives from that.
In a true fight is like tell what are you going to do , probably not the greatest idea 🤔 😅
@@MzuMzu-nx1em Or a distraction.
Love how they are fighting on tile. That landing is going to be worse that the strike that dropped them.
There are serious changes in boxing guards, after Europian people came across Filipino martial artists. Still Savate's kicks seem so effective that it is used even today.
with shoes on, most definitely
from Filipino martial arts?..lol. you have been reading some completely made up boxing history. The film does indeed show very old style boxing punches and guards, they are more like the bare-knuckle era.The vertical punches are very bare knuckle era style. they are a little old even for the 1920s. such methods can be seen in Donovin's book from ,i think, the 1890s(that was reprinted). The boxing changed radically because of the addition of gloves, which were not completely mandatory until the 1890s or later. that change had absolutely nothing to do with Filipino martial arts, that did not even exist ,in the forms we know today, back then.
@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz I am both boxer and and Kali enthusiast. So?
@@MAXIMUMVOL So am I....although I would never use the term 'kali', its another quite recent term, that is part of a fake history. as for 'so"...which part? the part where you are full of phony history?
@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz lol
Everyone in the filming of this video is now dead. Crazy.
Savate Superbe, what a great martial arts
I came home one night in 1924 from the bar and a couple guys roughed me up. The woman in the video was my wife Matilda. I told Matilda what had happened to me at the bar. She got dressed and went down to the bar and thus, Chinese Connection was born! Took down the whole bar.....
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@@zevelenoshi9233 did I mention she was a master at the nunchuku?
"This demonstration proves that French boxing is accessible to all."
**woman appears**
Amazing!
Genial! Merci pour la vidéo! Le professeur Charlemont devait etre un super athlète ( considérant l'epoque )
Wow!. Esto es lo que yo llamo un super buen video !
Gracias
Vive la France 🇨🇵
Excellent !!!
Hey, savate looks nice, pretty much like sanda or kick boxing!!
I remember how once cornered I had to fight twelve guys. No training but I did work as a truck driver and delivery service from age twelve. Took the punches, didn't hurt me, punched back broke em. When I saw how many of em there were I just resorted to grabbing people and trying to bite em. They let us leave after that. Never were more thankful for having to load that truck every morning, push it to start and then chase after it to get it to start. To this day I look twenties though I'm forty, guess a hard life does Mae you better.