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@@Acemeistre - only because plug-in hybrid diesels aren't that common. Oh, wait a minute. You'd still classify that as an EV, just to boost the numbers. What is your fixation with the number of diesels in the UK?
@@Acemeistre diesels got ruined by emmisions. now they use too much fuel, on top of high maintenance costs and crappy driving dinamics. another perk of diesels is that they last a very long time. the thing is now even petrol will do over 150k miles. the engine will outlast the shell in petrol cars too so really there's not much reason to keep buying diesels.
@@SoulTouchMusic93 Petrol will be banned in the 2030s but as long as lorries, agricultural and earth moving equipment; and portable generators exist there will be diesel!
@@maifantasia3650 I merely pointed out a fact, no need to throw a tantrum 😂 A diesel hybrid or a petrol hybrid both come under the hybrid category. It really doesn't matter whether you classify hybrid as ICE or EV, the fact is that both Petrol and diesel are shrinking as a proportion of the overall market, which is HUGLEY over-looked by the Anti-EV cult.
Yep. No tax incentives for me to buy my first delivery van No tax incentives to buy the remaining 11 or 9 motorcycles No tax incentives for converting all of the vans to Auto Gas because they were all used vehicles Then finally the Howard government put a subsidy for converting used vehicles to Auto gas , after the 2 NSW refineries had already closed down in order to make the BS claims about Australia meeting our CO2 reduction targets . However with no really cheap scrap refinery gas ( how the reduction was calculated ) available and with LPG prices increasing businesses quickly realised that it was more expensive to run LPG than a turbo charged diesel so they dumped LPG and now LPG ( which is a CO2 reduction vector in Melbourne & Brisbane ) is being phased out nation wise to make space for EV charging stations that almost no one will use .,
@Alantj22 EVs won't be running by the time they're old enough to filter down to the low income level of affordability. The batteries don't last long enough, and once the battery reaches end of life, the car is effectively worthless because the battery replacement costs more than the vehicle is worth. We were already being slowly forced to accept disposable cars designed to only last 5 years, with a lot of R&D to make that a reality. We were already being subjected to anti repair strategies from all manufacturers. EVs have been a massive opportunity for manufacturers to further normalize this kind of thing. Car manufacturers would love to eliminate the second hand market if they could. The poors will not be driving EVs any time soon.
They've done the same in the UK. Crowing about EV's sales hitting 25.1% of ALL car sales in November. Truth is, to 'achieve' this, dealers are offering unsustainable discounts, force selling to motability schemes and yes, good old pre-registering. This means fields of unsold EV's are sitting around that technically look like 'sales', but clearly aren't.
Not true. Yes, EV are offering discounts but only slightly higher discounts than petrol vehicles. Discounting is across the board with overall sales dropping in all categories. Using pre registering is not just on electric cars.
The scam is dealers are pre registering EVs without any one actually buying one and thus avoiding the massive fines lopped onto every ICE vehicle sold.There are fields full of unsold EVs by the thousands.
@@mikehunt-w8u There are fields of unsold vehicles of all types everywhere as the manufactured housing crisis & subsequent house price increases reduce the amount of money available for discretionary spending world wide . The USA is awash with new vehicles as old as the 2022 production year and dealers refusing the 2025 production year cars is creating a big problem for the factories . This by the way is partially due to the mobile phone and Generation Z's being reluctant to get a drivers license let alone a car because they can hang out with their peer group in the comfort of their own bedrooms . People are starting to wise up that cars are more of a financial burden than a necessity of life particularly as a lot of office work is still being done at home so the daily commute is now a 1 day a month commute & becoming a 1 car family is once again becoming a viable possibility as infrequent Uber or taxis are a lot cheaper than the 2nd ( or 3rd ) car sitting in the drive going rusty & perishing the tyres from UV exposure . With the rising cost of rents & houses the salary sacrifice company car no longer has the same appeal as the extra cash in hand . And this might just be anecdotal but 1 day a month I would ride my 85 year old motorcycle ( on historical registration of course ) into Penrith to do my banking & pay a few bills . There is a single motorcycle parking spot in the middle of the block and it is untimed so if the line in the ANZ is 1 hour long ( Westpac is never more than 15 minutes ) I wont end up making a contribution to the Lord mayors retirement fund . During Covid I started to do this because there was almost no traffic so I could time all of the traffic lights & corners void having to stop and this spot was always available . However for this year it regularly now has a motorcycle in it so if I am lucky I can squeeze in next to it or alternatively use the spots 2 blocks away . So it seems to me more people are opting to use their weekend warrior wheels for mid week trips . Side note my bike gets 80 mpg so petrol prices are irrelevant
@@mikehunt-w8u there are 1000s of pre-registered EVs just sitting around unused airfields and seaports in the UK. I know this to be true as I still have friends who drive car transporters around the UK as I did till last year.
One of my mates just bought an Audi EV advertised price around 250k,I was really stunned when he told me Audi's buy back price is 50k in 3 years . All I could do was shake my head as I was absolutely dumbfounded how a vehicle could depreciate that quickly and its already got a recall list longer than my arm which they guesstimate will take 12 weeks to address, it's seriously out of control stupidity.
Buddy of mine bought an electric Audi back in 2023. When he first showed me, I asked him if it had caught fire yet... he didn't seem to think that was funny. I need to find out how it's doing, almost two years on. Note: We went to college together and we both have Master's Degrees in Electrical Engineering. From what I know (theoretically as well as observationally) about (current technology) electric cars, you couldn't run fast enough to GIVE me one, so I have no idea why he fell for the EV crap, other than that it's just a tax deductible expense to him (he owns his own company)
@@contra_planounless you have a solar panel on the roof of your car (and only drive at night) then you are being delusional. The operative word in your statement is "can", as opposed to "do".
Totally agree that EVs do not solve the problem of vehicle emissions. On the other hand, this newfound focus decrying the lies of EVangelists does not help change minds as much as we'd hope. I would suggest a more proactive direction, complete the discussion by showing the alternative. I'll begin: Lean burn engines are possible that reduce combustion temperatures without dumping fuel into the combustion chamber for cooling. Petrol combustion engine vehicles are capable of burning less than 5 liters / 100 km in daily driving while minimizing emissions. Lean burn engines are possible that reduce combustion temperatures without dumping fuel into the combustion chamber for cooling. 5 liters of petrol weighs about 3.75 kg. To get CO2 emissions per km (as you know), multiply by 2.2 and divide by 100 to get 82.5 g/km of CO2. THAT'S what all the government funding that went to battery development COULD have done -- lower emissions than electricity generation. mutablemotors.godaddysites.com/efficiency
As usual JC a brilliant piece of analysis. I’m surprised the other EV evangelists haven’t started using this article in their blogs and magazines. Im sure the Electric Viking will put out a new article proclaiming how EV’s are taking over transport in Australia.
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe" - Carl Sagan "Paper never refused ink" - Old Irish phrase
Disclosure, I am an EV owner. Who the F are the Electric Vehicle Council and what the hell do they actually do? I remember the old Pedestrian Council of Australia, a bloke called Harold Scruby if I recall, one bloke on some crusade sounding like an organisation - still dont know what they (he) did either
On the face of it, it appears that the EV council of Australia is a privately funded lobby group and marketing enterprise that works on behalf of subscribers with a vested interest. But in reality, the EV council of Australia is a privately funded lobby group and marketing enterprise that works on behalf of subscribers with a vested interest. Make of that what you will.
my yaris cross has an ev mode button. as long as you're not going further than 3km, faster than 40km and you tow it behind something to recharge it as you can't plug it in, it's an ev vehicle!
Check out TFLs latest video on their purchase of an ID Buzz and subsequent drive from Pennsylvania to Chicago, a festival of charging failure and range anxiety which they have to get back to Boulder Colorado. It makes me happy that I’m EV less. Porsche have put out a letter telling owners not to charge their Taycan’s over 80% and do not park them in a garage or next to a house as the battery may go into thermal runaway. A fix is coming in the next 6 months.
So... a ballpark 3% growth in sales from last year. How does that track with overall vehicle sales, and population growth? I suspect if adjusted to sales growth as a percentage of all sales then it'd look even more dire...
I have a fondness for older Motorcycles, after owning a few hundred my preferences are now for less electrical parts as they are always the most difficult for reliability. Mechanical parts mostly outlive a vehicle, the electrical parts can often kill a vehicle.
Yep I ride only bikes that are pre 1973 , I drive cars that are pre 1980 and all of them are rock solid giving almost no problems I am currently looking at dumping the LPG for diesel and only looking at variable stroke injector pumps . If you are gentle as you put the foot on the throttle they produce very little particulates ( black smoke ) Just missed out on a Commer Knocker with the T3 engine
Less electronics the better, although my thing is older jap bikes and cars because I’ve found them the more reliable. My old Hondas never had a crook switch after all the rain commuting
I’m sorry to read about Clive Robertson, John. He and You were great to listen to on a Saturday arvo while having a beer. It was always great entertainment! Vale Clive Robertson, he was one of a kind
@ yeah he was a great guy, his black humour was priceless. I always wondered what happened to him, and then I read the news today, oh boy, sad day indeed.
Economics as a science. In high school I could do economics in my sleep. It was so easy. I even thought of becoming an economist. I did not. One of the best things I never did. My opinion of economics as a "science" has turned around 180 degrees.
I pass 5 main dealers going into town. Every forecourt has 2 rows of pre registered EVs they can't sell at a large discount. When I went in for a service recently almost the entire forecourt was pre registered EVs with a few proper second hand petrol cars. How is this ecconomically viable?
You already know the answer. It's not economically viable. It isn't meant to be. The people up top trying to force EVs on us know that it's not viable.
Electric scooters and e-bikes actually make sense, hence their popularity. EVs don't make sense any way you slice it, which is why they are only bought by companies who do it for their PR, government agencies who essentially don't have a choice now, and rich people who can both afford the vehicle, and the limitations of the vehicle. EVs aren't practical for most of us.
W.Churchill was "supposed" to have said once...."Never trust any statistics that you haven't corrected to suit your own aims"...or something like that....yep.
Just watching the EV adds is an exercise FacePalming. EVs charging (as in going fast) across the outback then pictures of them "Plugging IN" where there is NOTHING around them.
That clown ? He has to be a fully paid lobbyist for the Chinese EV industry And talk about misinformation I doubt he could be strait stretched out on a shelf in a mortuary .
I find it endless amusing the claim that buying an EV will save you money at the bowser, technically yes but I own my car so I can do a hell of a lot of driving and maintaining for the price of a new EV. If EVs were the best thing since sliced bread then why do they need so many government incentives?
In the UK, the SMMT produces monthly / yearly stats that break it down quite nicely into diesel, petrol, mild hybrids (basically should count as petrol in my opinion), plug-in hybrids (the half and halves), and BEVs. You can then carry out your own analysis based on the real data. Transparency at its best.
The whole industry is fundamentally wrong and a knee jerk reaction to an idiot who has unlimited money so decided that he could make even more money by joining up thousands of really good low energy output battery cells together to run some thing that they never should have been used for . Now musk is an extreme racist , white supremacist & elitist so to him the idea that over 3,000,000 native people in Africa & South America die each year digging up the minerals for his batteries probably has him making a mess in his underpants
I'm just spitballing here but I doubt that the cost of running the regular kona over it's lifetime wouldn't make up the 30k difference of the electric and still won't have as much of a carbon footprint as the electric
This month's RAC magazine posted a story on EVs saying that on a survey 49%of EV owners would prefer to buy a petrol or diesel car on their next purchase
EVs are proving to be like drones and mobile phones .. They depreciate like there's no tomorrow. Like that Pommie guy who paid 130 000 pounds for an EV and after 3 years the value: 30 000!! But it gets worse - even at this price, no one wanted it anyway. He's stuck with a shiny piece of s**t. Ouch!
One other point which never seems to get a mention is . . . . . . all electric cars are (so I believe) automatics. There are no gears as such so they do not need a gear stick. So . . . . if you do not like driving an automatic car, why would you buy an ev?? I have yet to hear anyone promoting evs as an option say anything that would make me even consider buying one.
I predict we will soon see EV sales plateau , and then decline slightly as they reach the point whereby the majority of sales are Government and semi Government departments with more (taxpayer's ) money than sense , and no regard for practicality and re-sale value.
As a pensioner I looked around for 18months and found I couldn’t even buy a decent secondhand car for the $13k that I had. I landed up going old days and bought myself a brand new Suzuki SV650 just to get around as where I live in Albion Park south of Wollongong we don’t have a nearby train station or for that matter descent public transport in general. The bike has been brilliant but has its drawbacks and as it is I’ve gone from a $300 a fortnight fuel bill for 91Ron for my old VZ Commodore Ute for 800kms to under $22 every 300kms or so for the 95Ron fuel the bike uses. When you look at the costs overall vehicles today I don’t know how people get by.
Way way back when I was part of some pro-motorcycle lobbies we did some cost benefit analysis on motorcycles over cars . The benefits ran into the billions of dollars In Sydney a 10% increase in motorcycle use would have reduced the morning peak period by 1.5 hours for starters The reduction in traffic bumper to bumper traffic ( 4 motorcycles use the same space as 1 car ) would have made the ( then planned ) harbour tunnel unnecessary . back then it would have cut the weekly fuel bill down by 75% , negated the need for massive car parks etc, etc . I ave been a motorcyclist all my life and have greatly benefitted from it particularly in a country that has around 300 dry days per year. FWIW I only ride BSA's and with 4 currently on historic plates have no need for a car at all despite having several of them , again all on plates . So the bikes save me over $ 8,000 /year Old bikes have almost no electronics , a magneto rebuild will cost around $ 500 to $ 800 and that will be good for another 25 years . Fitting LED globes means I have no need for the dynamo as a fully charged battery will give me 75 hours of lights .
@ back when I got my bike licence and was an apprentice I’d freak out when the fuel for my old Suzuki jumped from 32cents to an unspeakable 34cent a litre for standard leaded fuel and the bike had a 17litre tank including reserve. As for costs I think the most expensive items will be the tires aside from those the new bike warranty and the fact that 40 years plus since I first got my licence and the fact with age I’ve slowed down a lot means I should have cheap and reliable transport for sometime and I’m helping our planet and our future fuel security. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Going by the Electric Vehicle Council's twisted interpretation of what an EV is , I'm pretty sure that makes my diesel jeep an EV when the battery goes flat .
Every time i speak to someone and the topic of EVs is mentioned they have zero interest in one and can smell the bullshite from reports like these a mile away.They will be driving and maintaining their ICE cars for many years to come.
I drive a diesel Ford Mondeo. It does approx. 1000nkms on a tank of diesel. It takes 50 something liters to fill and it does yet another 1000 kms. I just love it and so glad it's doing so little damage.
Believe it or not, there are people who buy an EV with their own money in the UK They’re mostly company purchases due to the obvious tax payer funded freebies, but seriously, people PCP these things from their own accounts! They walk amongst us.
@@timhicks2154 I'd get a second hand one but only if I could charge at home and I was going to do less than 200km that day, which means it'd be a 2nd vehicle (I'm interested for the quietness...because I currently drive a diesel Fiesta with 405,000km so you can imagine the NVH in it lol).
Aus EV Council's mouthpiece once said said "EVs are the perfect fuel as EVERYBODY leaves home every morning with a full tank" (or similar, can't find the exact quote right now, I'm sure I saved it somewhere). That's right up there with our PryMinster saying we can all charge our EVs from solar cells overnight! I think I should join 'Leon' on mars as clearly these "authorities" are not on the same planet as me. "Thank god OUR planet is in safe hands" (to quote JC)
@@ozimarco I started using the Brave browser 8 years ago and have been add free till this year . If I buy a new computer then it will block all adds again ( unless I get paid to view them ) . However they are only before the video loads so I open 2 or 3 tabs , turn the audio off on all but one then come back to them latter on drag the timer slider almost all the way to the left and miss the adds completely
A BEV does not produce emissions out of a tailpipe, resulting in cleaner air in an urban environment. As a cyclist, I'd rather be surrounded by BEVs than emission-spewing ICE vehicles.
That is a very big case for them. They pollute remotely. Respiratory illnesses courtesy of tail pipe emissions are no laughing matter. EV's in high density locations solve that problem.
John spent years ripping into various fossil fuel giants before EVs even arrived. Eg. Shell and BP for their V-Power/Ultimate commercials that 'clean' your engine.
Did math like that when a local idiot bought into the extra cost of a Honda Civic hybrid years ago on the I'm gonna save money plan... he never considered what battery efficiency might be over time, repair costs for the additional complex systems, etc, and the big one - ending up with a pretty much worthless car when the battery was done. In other words, their target audience for EVs although he's since wised up a tiny bit.
My Accountant friend calls economists : Failed accountants who just cannot count past their fingers and toes. I agree with him. Just look at Anthony Albanese..........Enough said.
I'm not a EV FANBOY. Unlikely I will buy one. That being said I am aware the CHANGING the mindset / patterns of humans is the toughest thing to do on the planet.
The engineer in me loves the idea of EVs and the environmentalist in me loves the idea of electric mass transport ( trolly busses & trams ) . The human in me can not abide with the misery & suffering of thousands of people in 3rd world countries , most of who die very young just so I can drive a vehicle with a battery . or use a smart phone, computer etc etc etc . I appease my conscience by only buying them used . Ev's do have a place, in crowded cities with bad air but as a pollution reduction mechanism they are a 100% lie
Level 2 charger installed at my casa, $1800 US - 2024 Hyundai Ionic 5 50,000 or so, gobberment took $7000 off. It is not cheap and thank goodness it is my wifes car/dream. I do not drive it period - when I did I took it out and did 116 mph and it sucked down its range. She got two years free charging btw. 3 year lease. Gas is in my blood.
I’m surprised they don’t count Nissan e-power vehicles as EVs. The only device directly imposing mechanical work on the wheels is an electric motor. Don’t worry that it gets its electricity from a generator powered by an ICE.
I wonder how many are replacement purchases vs Nett new EV customers. I'm pressuming a large potion of EV owners change or update their cars every 3 and 5 years (fashion consious and all that), then a lot of sales are just existing customers, so that also skews the real numbers a bit.
Hi your economics are spot on except you forgot to add on the massive depreciation on Battery EV's in the UL re have brand new EVs with published 17 to 40% off MRSP not including pr registered that are included in the "Sales" to avoid the £15,000 penalty if dealers do not sell 22% this year 9with an ever rising % to 2030.
I'm not sure if Companies and Government Department's in Oz have car fleets. It is common in Countries that do operate fleets that these bulk purchases are included in the figures to assist in the narrative that individuals are happily buying these.
Yes they do And yes it is used to skew the market for every purchase. When the Keating government stuffed the economy and the interest on the money we borrowed to set up AUSSAT was literally sending the country broke he suddenly decided that we needed competition in the phone sector so after a lot of buy outs & bankruptcies we ended up with Optus a thoroughly corrupt and totally useless company. They were also about to go under as the only thing they had to offer was funny shaped phones so every federal government department was forced to switch to Optus . And as this was a political decision their service got even worse .
My 12 year old diesel Hilux has a battery. When it goes flat, I charge it from the plug in the garage. Should I let the EVC know so they can add one more to their total.
My diesel ute has a solar panel.. so it is a hybrid too lol.. so is everyone's Ute and wagon at dingo piss creek.. but seriously EVs will grow because they will force it.. a-holes
I own a business with a couple of vehicles and have always noticed how insignificant fuel costs are compared to other vehicle costs but people continue to buy vehicles based on fuel economy encouraged by government propaganda. The truth is unless you are in the transport business fuel economy is irrelevant. I think it’s partly driven by the bowser shock every week but you buy a car every 3-5 years and most major costs are paid once a year. Generally the cheapest car to own is the cheapest one to buy as the less you pay the less depreciation is in dollar terms and cheap cars typically cost less to insure, repair and service.
Yep the running costs as a % of the purchase cost are negligible . My bug bear about Ev's as a pollution reduction vector is they are pushed onto the wrong section of the market. When I was a delivery contractor it was at least 1 tank per day some times 2 tanks . The diesel owners used to skite that they only used 2 to 3 tanks weekly but the fact they mostly had 70 litre tanks where as mu LPG bottle was only 40 litres seemed to go over their heads . When Sydney had chronic photochemical smog it was addressed largely by subsidising the conversion of the 8,000 (?) taxis to LPG followed by AP vans . So if Musk really wanted to sae the planet the very first vehicles released should have been 1 to 5 ton vans as in almost every city on the planet these are on the road 6 to 12 hours each & every week day
@ Agree but there are reasons, commercial vehicles need big batteries and batteries used to be expensive so passenger vehicles got the go first. What ever one thinks about carbon dioxide EV’s are a massive quantity of life improvement especially in urban environments. Commercial vehicles could really use teslas technology edge.
@@gregorynezar Commercial vehicles will make a much bigger impact than private vehicles ever can by virtue of the higher milages . There was a lot of different ideas like for instance swappable battery packs , just like your power tools . As such these batteries can be recharged by the roof top solar on the warehouse roof during the day then swapped over when the vehicles return at night . The last time I saw numbers for Sydney there was around 200,000 delivery vehicles if you include the 12,000 on demand courier fleet and the Post vehicles . Next if EV's really are cheaper to run it is the big businesses who can depreciate the entire capital cost who would jump at the opportunity to drastically reduce operation costs .
I stand to be corrected, but from memory, when our governments provided incentives if you bought an EV, they specifically excluded hybrids. Seems there is some kind of inconsistency between the government view of what is an EV and the official definition. I'm considering buying a diesel powered Sorento GT, does this make be a bad person?
As regular motor cycle rider/commuter for more than four decades I would regularly profile car makes to be wary of. In the early days Volvos set the nerves on edge. Later those drivers went to the next reputedly safest car, the Subaru. Lately I've noticed the batton has been handed to the driver of Teslas.
Never had an issue with Teslas myself. Subarus are usually doing 10 below the speed limit and Volvos are all from the past 5 years because they don't last longer than that anymore. Biggest danger to other drivers on the road I've found are from Emotional Support Vehicles (Rangers, Hiluxes and SUV's, almost always with lift kits)
the other day an A380 couldn't land in London, made two go arounds, kept flying for another hour until landing in Frankfurt. A380 holds 160,000 liters, uses 16000 liters per hour. If the avg EV uses 6 l per 100 km, that would have driven an EV 266,600 km. There was a 747 similar go around, uses about 10,000 litres/hr. How many of these occurr in the world with about 10,000 aircraft in the air worldwide at any given time? Millions of km, while PHEV's in most cases are charging up from remote fossil fuel generators. What an expensive hoax on the world.
I’m not surprised sales are down when and I quote ‘good plan to spend $20 - $30k more than an equivalent combustion car when y8 can by an MG4 for $7000 less than a Toyota Corolla is not quite being fair but that wouldn’t fit the narrative. A few years ago I would agree about the price difference but I guess it’s hard to check all the new vehicle brands flooding into Australia. I assume any price reduction into EVs can only be because the EV manufactures are loosening money instead of reducing to cost to manufacture? 80 years of watching ice vehicle prices going up may warp your expectations. Companies like VW that are buying xpengs platform because it’s more expensive and shit ev design makes you wonder what those Germans are doing right?
The cheapest thing you put in a car is the fuel. I have a Biturbo V6 diesel , I spend more on my daily cappuccino, than I do on fuel. It’s pretty good value. No range or depreciation anxiety at all here. No one is kidding anyone. I just look at the top 10 selling cars every year. And the top selling manufacturers. Pretty well says it all. The new car buyer is not totally stupid.
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When I saw the claim, I immediately knew it was a lie
They always lump hybrids in with EVs when they want to boost the numbers. However, they exclude hybrids when it comes to problems.
And you guys always ignore that Diesels are now the lowest proportion of sales of any vehicle type in the UK 🤷
@@Acemeistre - only because plug-in hybrid diesels aren't that common. Oh, wait a minute. You'd still classify that as an EV, just to boost the numbers.
What is your fixation with the number of diesels in the UK?
@@Acemeistre diesels got ruined by emmisions. now they use too much fuel, on top of high maintenance costs and crappy driving dinamics. another perk of diesels is that they last a very long time. the thing is now even petrol will do over 150k miles. the engine will outlast the shell in petrol cars too so really there's not much reason to keep buying diesels.
@@SoulTouchMusic93
Petrol will be banned in the 2030s but as long as lorries, agricultural and earth moving equipment; and portable generators exist there will be diesel!
@@maifantasia3650 I merely pointed out a fact, no need to throw a tantrum 😂
A diesel hybrid or a petrol hybrid both come under the hybrid category. It really doesn't matter whether you classify hybrid as ICE or EV, the fact is that both Petrol and diesel are shrinking as a proportion of the overall market, which is HUGLEY over-looked by the Anti-EV cult.
Government incentives = taxing people who can't afford a new car to give to people who can. It's a bloody con!
Whatever they are driving was once a new car.
Yep.
No tax incentives for me to buy my first delivery van
No tax incentives to buy the remaining 11 or 9 motorcycles
No tax incentives for converting all of the vans to Auto Gas because they were all used vehicles
Then finally the Howard government put a subsidy for converting used vehicles to Auto gas , after the 2 NSW refineries had already closed down in order to make the BS claims about Australia meeting our CO2 reduction targets .
However with no really cheap scrap refinery gas ( how the reduction was calculated ) available and with LPG prices increasing businesses quickly realised that it was more expensive to run LPG than a turbo charged diesel so they dumped LPG and now LPG ( which is a CO2 reduction vector in Melbourne & Brisbane ) is being phased out nation wise to make space for EV charging stations that almost no one will use .,
Stick to your golf videos old timer 😂
@Alantj22 EVs won't be running by the time they're old enough to filter down to the low income level of affordability. The batteries don't last long enough, and once the battery reaches end of life, the car is effectively worthless because the battery replacement costs more than the vehicle is worth.
We were already being slowly forced to accept disposable cars designed to only last 5 years, with a lot of R&D to make that a reality. We were already being subjected to anti repair strategies from all manufacturers. EVs have been a massive opportunity for manufacturers to further normalize this kind of thing. Car manufacturers would love to eliminate the second hand market if they could.
The poors will not be driving EVs any time soon.
@@Acemeistre Stick to your 65 subscribers most of whom will be family and friends 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They've done the same in the UK. Crowing about EV's sales hitting 25.1% of ALL car sales in November. Truth is, to 'achieve' this, dealers are offering unsustainable discounts, force selling to motability schemes and yes, good old pre-registering. This means fields of unsold EV's are sitting around that technically look like 'sales', but clearly aren't.
Not true. Yes, EV are offering discounts but only slightly higher discounts than petrol vehicles. Discounting is across the board with overall sales dropping in all categories. Using pre registering is not just on electric cars.
You beat me to it. That’s exactly the situation here in the U.K.
The scam is dealers are pre registering EVs without any one actually buying one and thus avoiding the massive fines lopped onto every ICE vehicle sold.There are fields full of unsold EVs by the thousands.
@@mikehunt-w8u There are fields of unsold vehicles of all types everywhere as the manufactured housing crisis & subsequent house price increases reduce the amount of money available for discretionary spending world wide .
The USA is awash with new vehicles as old as the 2022 production year and dealers refusing the 2025 production year cars is creating a big problem for the factories .
This by the way is partially due to the mobile phone and Generation Z's being reluctant to get a drivers license let alone a car because they can hang out with their peer group in the comfort of their own bedrooms .
People are starting to wise up that cars are more of a financial burden than a necessity of life particularly as a lot of office work is still being done at home so the daily commute is now a 1 day a month commute & becoming a 1 car family is once again becoming a viable possibility as infrequent Uber or taxis are a lot cheaper than the 2nd ( or 3rd ) car sitting in the drive going rusty & perishing the tyres from UV exposure .
With the rising cost of rents & houses the salary sacrifice company car no longer has the same appeal as the extra cash in hand .
And this might just be anecdotal but 1 day a month I would ride my 85 year old motorcycle ( on historical registration of course ) into Penrith to do my banking & pay a few bills .
There is a single motorcycle parking spot in the middle of the block and it is untimed so if the line in the ANZ is 1 hour long ( Westpac is never more than 15 minutes ) I wont end up making a contribution to the Lord mayors retirement fund .
During Covid I started to do this because there was almost no traffic so I could time all of the traffic lights & corners void having to stop and this spot was always available .
However for this year it regularly now has a motorcycle in it so if I am lucky I can squeeze in next to it or alternatively use the spots 2 blocks away .
So it seems to me more people are opting to use their weekend warrior wheels for mid week trips .
Side note my bike gets 80 mpg so petrol prices are irrelevant
@@mikehunt-w8u there are 1000s of pre-registered EVs just sitting around unused airfields and seaports in the UK. I know this to be true as I still have friends who drive car transporters around the UK as I did till last year.
One of my mates just bought an Audi EV advertised price around 250k,I was really stunned when he told me Audi's buy back price is 50k in 3 years . All I could do was shake my head as I was absolutely dumbfounded how a vehicle could depreciate that quickly and its already got a recall list longer than my arm which they guesstimate will take 12 weeks to address, it's seriously out of control stupidity.
I guess at 250k he didn’t buy it for cheap motoring
Buddy of mine bought an electric Audi back in 2023.
When he first showed me, I asked him if it had caught fire yet... he didn't seem to think that was funny.
I need to find out how it's doing, almost two years on.
Note: We went to college together and we both have Master's Degrees in Electrical Engineering. From what I know (theoretically as well as observationally) about (current technology) electric cars, you couldn't run fast enough to GIVE me one, so I have no idea why he fell for the EV crap, other than that it's just a tax deductible expense to him (he owns his own company)
“Bullshit is a remarkable engineering material.” Thanks John, I’m remembering that for my next design review…
BS is an excellent poly filler for gaps in a narrative.
The Government needs to tell the truth.
My wife works for a NGO. Their Government funding forced them to buy EV vehicles. No funding for ICE cars.
@@greatpar but gargantuan Govt subsidies for big oil that is behind ICE
Of course. Why buy fuel if you can get fuel from sun?
NOT
@@contra_planounless you have a solar panel on the roof of your car (and only drive at night) then you are being delusional. The operative word in your statement is "can", as opposed to "do".
Totally agree that EVs do not solve the problem of vehicle emissions. On the other hand, this newfound focus decrying the lies of EVangelists does not help change minds as much as we'd hope. I would suggest a more proactive direction, complete the discussion by showing the alternative. I'll begin: Lean burn engines are possible that reduce combustion temperatures without dumping fuel into the combustion chamber for cooling. Petrol combustion engine vehicles are capable of burning less than 5 liters / 100 km in daily driving while minimizing emissions. Lean burn engines are possible that reduce combustion temperatures without dumping fuel into the combustion chamber for cooling. 5 liters of petrol weighs about 3.75 kg. To get CO2 emissions per km (as you know), multiply by 2.2 and divide by 100 to get 82.5 g/km of CO2. THAT'S what all the government funding that went to battery development COULD have done -- lower emissions than electricity generation. mutablemotors.godaddysites.com/efficiency
From Kentucky USA...When I served in the Vietnam war, I met some tough-ass Aussies. What the hell happened?
sadly very different country now mate.. tons & tons of immigrants and latte sipping types.
Being tough went out of fashion. Being an accommodating little weasel wimp became cool.
We imported the Woke Mind Virus from California.
As usual JC a brilliant piece of analysis. I’m surprised the other EV evangelists haven’t started using this article in their blogs and magazines. Im sure the Electric Viking will put out a new article proclaiming how EV’s are taking over transport in Australia.
You can prove or disprove anything with selective statistics if you select what to calculate.
Yeah, that's when economists get involved.
They are probably counting e-scooter and e-bikes in those figures.
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe" - Carl Sagan
"Paper never refused ink" - Old Irish phrase
John, I wish had put your hat in the ring for Top Gear Australia. You would have been a good Aussie version of Jeremy Clarkson. Very entertaining.
Sounds like an insult to me. Clarkson is a pillock.
I wanna hear John say "cock" now
Hamoooooond!
He’s done TV before. He probably would go Clarkson and punch a producer for being a dickhead.
I think the battery EV will go the way of Beta max.
Disclosure, I am an EV owner. Who the F are the Electric Vehicle Council and what the hell do they actually do? I remember the old Pedestrian Council of Australia, a bloke called Harold Scruby if I recall, one bloke on some crusade sounding like an organisation - still dont know what they (he) did either
On the face of it, it appears that the EV council of Australia is a privately funded lobby group and marketing enterprise that works on behalf of subscribers with a vested interest.
But in reality, the EV council of Australia is a privately funded lobby group and marketing enterprise that works on behalf of subscribers with a vested interest.
Make of that what you will.
Was Harold the real life version of Hector the Cat?
If maintenance is lower, and all EVs are imported, how would EVs increase employment?
If it’s got an ICE it’s not a dang EV. They are not BSing they straight up lying.
my yaris cross has an ev mode button. as long as you're not going further than 3km, faster than 40km and you tow it behind something to recharge it as you can't plug it in, it's an ev vehicle!
Check out TFLs latest video on their purchase of an ID Buzz and subsequent drive from Pennsylvania to Chicago, a festival of charging failure and range anxiety which they have to get back to Boulder Colorado. It makes me happy that I’m EV less. Porsche have put out a letter telling owners not to charge their Taycan’s over 80% and do not park them in a garage or next to a house as the battery may go into thermal runaway. A fix is coming in the next 6 months.
Can you imagine what a used 200k hybrid is worth , with all it's complexity and problems?
So... a ballpark 3% growth in sales from last year. How does that track with overall vehicle sales, and population growth? I suspect if adjusted to sales growth as a percentage of all sales then it'd look even more dire...
I have a fondness for older Motorcycles, after owning a few hundred my preferences are now for less electrical parts as they are always the most difficult for reliability. Mechanical parts mostly outlive a vehicle, the electrical parts can often kill a vehicle.
Yes 100%! Less electronics the better.
Yep I ride only bikes that are pre 1973 , I drive cars that are pre 1980 and all of them are rock solid giving almost no problems
I am currently looking at dumping the LPG for diesel and only looking at variable stroke injector pumps .
If you are gentle as you put the foot on the throttle they produce very little particulates ( black smoke )
Just missed out on a Commer Knocker with the T3 engine
Less electronics the better, although my thing is older jap bikes and cars because I’ve found them the more reliable. My old Hondas never had a crook switch after all the rain commuting
I’m sorry to read about Clive Robertson, John.
He and You were great to listen to on a Saturday arvo while having a beer. It was always great entertainment!
Vale Clive Robertson, he was one of a kind
loved him on 2BL mornings for years, I drove a cab and drove him to work a few times at 4am I think. Nice guy. Sad day.
@ yeah he was a great guy, his black humour was priceless.
I always wondered what happened to him, and then I read the news today, oh boy, sad day indeed.
@@craigoOZ Funny you should say that I have done the same thing and also his Tea lady from Clisdale St
I would only drive an EV Car if it was given to me as a Company Car. Aren't Dodgem Cars classified as EV'S 😂🤣. Love your work John, thanks.
Even the insurance for a ev is 2-3 times more than an oil burner
Where it is? In my coutry i pay the same amount.
@contra_plano australia 🍻
Example please. Mine was the same as my ICE car
Economics as a science. In high school I could do economics in my sleep. It was so easy. I even thought of becoming an economist. I did not. One of the best things I never did. My opinion of economics as a "science" has turned around 180 degrees.
I pass 5 main dealers going into town. Every forecourt has 2 rows of pre registered EVs they can't sell at a large discount. When I went in for a service recently almost the entire forecourt was pre registered EVs with a few proper second hand petrol cars. How is this ecconomically viable?
Just pumping up the numbers
You already know the answer. It's not economically viable. It isn't meant to be. The people up top trying to force EVs on us know that it's not viable.
I can put a battery charger on my AU Falcon. Does that make it an EV?
According to the Electric Vehicle Council, yes it does!
Apparently, statistically it somehow equates to 1000 ev’s.
I recently had EV evangelists try to claim 300 million unregistered electric scooters, skateboards, etc, as Battery Electric Vehicles.
Electric scooters and e-bikes actually make sense, hence their popularity.
EVs don't make sense any way you slice it, which is why they are only bought by companies who do it for their PR, government agencies who essentially don't have a choice now, and rich people who can both afford the vehicle, and the limitations of the vehicle.
EVs aren't practical for most of us.
W.Churchill was "supposed" to have said once...."Never trust any statistics that you haven't corrected to suit your own aims"...or something like that....yep.
You should post the links up in the description, as it would make it easier to find and read them
Just watching the EV adds is an exercise FacePalming.
EVs charging (as in going fast) across the outback then pictures of them "Plugging IN" where there is NOTHING around them.
But wait, next year there will be another 68 Ev's imported to Australia, according to Electric Viking.
That clown ?
He has to be a fully paid lobbyist for the Chinese EV industry
And talk about misinformation I doubt he could be strait stretched out on a shelf in a mortuary .
😂😂😂@@Rovert_0987
I find it endless amusing the claim that buying an EV will save you money at the bowser, technically yes but I own my car so I can do a hell of a lot of driving and maintaining for the price of a new EV. If EVs were the best thing since sliced bread then why do they need so many government incentives?
In the UK, the SMMT produces monthly / yearly stats that break it down quite nicely into diesel, petrol, mild hybrids (basically should count as petrol in my opinion), plug-in hybrids (the half and halves), and BEVs.
You can then carry out your own analysis based on the real data. Transparency at its best.
Their sustainability is all fun and games until they have to address the battery issue.
The whole industry is fundamentally wrong and a knee jerk reaction to an idiot who has unlimited money so decided that he could make even more money by joining up thousands of really good low energy output battery cells together to run some thing that they never should have been used for .
Now musk is an extreme racist , white supremacist & elitist so to him the idea that over 3,000,000 native people in Africa & South America die each year digging up the minerals for his batteries probably has him making a mess in his underpants
I'm just spitballing here but I doubt that the cost of running the regular kona over it's lifetime wouldn't make up the 30k difference of the electric and still won't have as much of a carbon footprint as the electric
This month's RAC magazine posted a story on EVs saying that on a survey 49%of EV owners would prefer to buy a petrol or diesel car on their next purchase
Just love how the facts get in the way of propaganda.
Keep up the good work JC.
Remember that DVD ? " my sister is a lawyer . What a liar ?, no lawyer, same thing "
EVs are proving to be like drones and mobile phones .. They depreciate like there's no tomorrow. Like that Pommie guy who paid 130 000 pounds for an EV and after 3 years the value: 30 000!! But it gets worse - even at this price, no one wanted it anyway. He's stuck with a shiny piece of s**t. Ouch!
Over 150 cars in our factory car park this morning, not one of them a EV?
If EV's were so great, then why do you new lobby groups telling us how great they are?
Funny thing about the calculators at the EVC all the + and x keytops have been swapped..... F'ing cheap Chinese Calculators
A lawyer & economist - this guy is supposed to be a politician.
One other point which never seems to get a mention is . . . . . . all electric cars are (so I believe) automatics. There are no gears as such so they do not need a gear stick. So . . . . if you do not like driving an automatic car, why would you buy an ev?? I have yet to hear anyone promoting evs as an option say anything that would make me even consider buying one.
They're neither auto nor manual. They're one gear ratio from zero to Vmax.
I predict we will soon see EV sales plateau , and then decline slightly as they reach the point whereby the majority of sales are Government and semi Government departments with more (taxpayer's ) money than sense , and no regard for practicality and re-sale value.
Already there. The numbers won’t be reported until the end of January
As a pensioner I looked around for 18months and found I couldn’t even buy a decent secondhand car for the $13k that I had. I landed up going old days and bought myself a brand new Suzuki SV650 just to get around as where I live in Albion Park south of Wollongong we don’t have a nearby train station or for that matter descent public transport in general. The bike has been brilliant but has its drawbacks and as it is I’ve gone from a $300 a fortnight fuel bill for 91Ron for my old VZ Commodore Ute for 800kms to under $22 every 300kms or so for the 95Ron fuel the bike uses. When you look at the costs overall vehicles today I don’t know how people get by.
Way way back when I was part of some pro-motorcycle lobbies we did some cost benefit analysis on motorcycles over cars .
The benefits ran into the billions of dollars
In Sydney a 10% increase in motorcycle use would have reduced the morning peak period by 1.5 hours for starters
The reduction in traffic bumper to bumper traffic ( 4 motorcycles use the same space as 1 car ) would have made the ( then planned ) harbour tunnel unnecessary .
back then it would have cut the weekly fuel bill down by 75% , negated the need for massive car parks etc, etc .
I ave been a motorcyclist all my life and have greatly benefitted from it particularly in a country that has around 300 dry days per year.
FWIW I only ride BSA's and with 4 currently on historic plates have no need for a car at all despite having several of them , again all on plates .
So the bikes save me over $ 8,000 /year
Old bikes have almost no electronics , a magneto rebuild will cost around $ 500 to $ 800 and that will be good for another 25 years .
Fitting LED globes means I have no need for the dynamo as a fully charged battery will give me 75 hours of lights .
@ back when I got my bike licence and was an apprentice I’d freak out when the fuel for my old Suzuki jumped from 32cents to an unspeakable 34cent a litre for standard leaded fuel and the bike had a 17litre tank including reserve. As for costs I think the most expensive items will be the tires aside from those the new bike warranty and the fact that 40 years plus since I first got my licence and the fact with age I’ve slowed down a lot means I should have cheap and reliable transport for sometime and I’m helping our planet and our future fuel security. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Going by the Electric Vehicle Council's twisted interpretation of what an EV is , I'm pretty sure that makes my diesel jeep an EV when the battery goes flat .
Every time i speak to someone and the topic of EVs is mentioned they have zero interest in one and can smell the bullshite from reports like these a mile away.They will be driving and maintaining their ICE cars for many years to come.
I drive a diesel Ford Mondeo. It does approx. 1000nkms on a tank of diesel. It takes 50 something liters to fill and it does yet another 1000 kms. I just love it and so glad it's doing so little damage.
On Bullshit sits proudly on my bookshelf.
And rightly so...
Believe it or not, there are people who buy an EV with their own money in the UK They’re mostly company purchases due to the obvious tax payer funded freebies, but seriously, people PCP these things from their own accounts! They walk amongst us.
I work at a 2nd hand car dealers’ here in the U.K. People actually come in and get themselves an EV ‘on the drip’. Immeasurable stupidity.
@@timhicks2154 I'd get a second hand one but only if I could charge at home and I was going to do less than 200km that day, which means it'd be a 2nd vehicle (I'm interested for the quietness...because I currently drive a diesel Fiesta with 405,000km so you can imagine the NVH in it lol).
Aus EV Council's mouthpiece once said said "EVs are the perfect fuel as EVERYBODY leaves home every morning with a full tank" (or similar, can't find the exact quote right now, I'm sure I saved it somewhere). That's right up there with our PryMinster saying we can all charge our EVs from solar cells overnight! I think I should join 'Leon' on mars as clearly these "authorities" are not on the same planet as me. "Thank god OUR planet is in safe hands" (to quote JC)
Didn't you already do this?
Best thing you have ever spoken, Remote combustion vehicle.
Does Nord VPN protect me from embedded ads in videos which diminish my enjoyment of its content 🤔
Yes.
I'm using NordVPN and still getting the embedded ads, including those on this channel.
@@ozimarco I started using the Brave browser 8 years ago and have been add free till this year .
If I buy a new computer then it will block all adds again ( unless I get paid to view them ) .
However they are only before the video loads so I open 2 or 3 tabs , turn the audio off on all but one then come back to them latter on drag the timer slider almost all the way to the left and miss the adds completely
4:46 I got a mention. cheers John.
A BEV does not produce emissions out of a tailpipe, resulting in cleaner air in an urban environment. As a cyclist, I'd rather be surrounded by BEVs than emission-spewing ICE vehicles.
That is a very big case for them. They pollute remotely. Respiratory illnesses courtesy of tail pipe emissions are no laughing matter. EV's in high density locations solve that problem.
Same here. I would rather the air pollution be moved to where the poor people live.
Guess you'd be happy to breathe in tiny tyre particles and brake dust from your perfect BEVs then.
@@liberty0758 and ICE magically doesn't have tyre and brake particulates? C'mon dude, you're only fooling yourself on that one. 🫠
@@Acemeistre I was pointing out the ignorance of the OP. Not my problem your brain failed to activate on that one.
I have a very simple rule when it comes to cars: NO EFFING CRAP!
Now cover the petrol lobby with the same aplomb and bluster.
What 'petrol lobby'? Name the organisation, genius...
John spent years ripping into various fossil fuel giants before EVs even arrived. Eg. Shell and BP for their V-Power/Ultimate commercials that 'clean' your engine.
Is that mis or disinformation?
Did math like that when a local idiot bought into the extra cost of a Honda Civic hybrid years ago on the I'm gonna save money plan... he never considered what battery efficiency might be over time, repair costs for the additional complex systems, etc, and the big one - ending up with a pretty much worthless car when the battery was done. In other words, their target audience for EVs although he's since wised up a tiny bit.
My Accountant friend calls economists : Failed accountants who just cannot count past their fingers and toes. I agree with him. Just look at Anthony Albanese..........Enough said.
I think this might be your best one yet.
They are desperate as the EV dream is becoming a nightmare. 😀
I'm not a EV FANBOY. Unlikely I will buy one. That being said I am aware the CHANGING the mindset / patterns of humans is the toughest thing to do on the planet.
You just know some overpaid marketing "expert" spent a week writing those crap paragraphs, in between binging on pumpkin spice lattes
My MG4 Essence 64 is definitely fun to drive. Apart from rego and insurance, it costs very little to run as I charge with surplus solar.
So your solar set up was free was it?
The engineer in me loves the idea of EVs and the environmentalist in me loves the idea of electric mass transport ( trolly busses & trams ) .
The human in me can not abide with the misery & suffering of thousands of people in 3rd world countries , most of who die very young just so I can drive a vehicle with a battery . or use a smart phone, computer etc etc etc .
I appease my conscience by only buying them used .
Ev's do have a place, in crowded cities with bad air but as a pollution reduction mechanism they are a 100% lie
@@Paul-b2s4jNo, but it has paid for itself.
Level 2 charger installed at my casa, $1800 US - 2024 Hyundai Ionic 5 50,000 or so, gobberment took $7000 off. It is not cheap and thank goodness it is my wifes car/dream. I do not drive it period - when I did I took it out and did 116 mph and it sucked down its range. She got two years free charging btw. 3 year lease. Gas is in my blood.
The big killer for EVs - depreciation/resale.
'ELECTRICKERY'!!🤔
It's such a lie it's Truth Telling.
I’m surprised they don’t count Nissan e-power vehicles as EVs. The only device directly imposing mechanical work on the wheels is an electric motor. Don’t worry that it gets its electricity from a generator powered by an ICE.
I wonder how many are replacement purchases vs Nett new EV customers.
I'm pressuming a large potion of EV owners change or update their cars every 3 and 5 years (fashion consious and all that), then a lot of sales are just existing customers, so that also skews the real numbers a bit.
the electrical grid over east can't handle the houses being run let alone EVs........ the cart before the horse going on here
Hi your economics are spot on except you forgot to add on the massive depreciation on Battery EV's in the UL re have brand new EVs with published 17 to 40% off MRSP not including pr registered that are included in the "Sales" to avoid the £15,000 penalty if dealers do not sell 22% this year 9with an ever rising % to 2030.
I'm not sure if Companies and Government Department's in Oz have car fleets. It is common in Countries that do operate fleets that these bulk purchases are included in the figures to assist in the narrative that individuals are happily buying these.
Yes they do
And yes it is used to skew the market for every purchase.
When the Keating government stuffed the economy and the interest on the money we borrowed to set up AUSSAT was literally sending the country broke he suddenly decided that we needed competition in the phone sector so after a lot of buy outs & bankruptcies we ended up with Optus a thoroughly corrupt and totally useless company.
They were also about to go under as the only thing they had to offer was funny shaped phones so every federal government department was forced to switch to Optus .
And as this was a political decision their service got even worse .
Like they say "bulshit baffles brains".
My 12 year old diesel Hilux has a battery. When it goes flat, I charge it from the plug in the garage. Should I let the EVC know so they can add one more to their total.
In the uk an ev is fantastic, working from home, ideal what’s all the fuss about
Would Albo's Miss/Disinformation Bill of quashed that report? haha of coarse not!
My diesel ute has a solar panel.. so it is a hybrid too lol.. so is everyone's Ute and wagon at dingo piss creek..
but seriously EVs will grow because they will force it.. a-holes
"Complexity is the enemy of reliability". Sounds like a former girlfriend.
Google the 'crazy hot matrix'
I own a business with a couple of vehicles and have always noticed how insignificant fuel costs are compared to other vehicle costs but people continue to buy vehicles based on fuel economy encouraged by government propaganda. The truth is unless you are in the transport business fuel economy is irrelevant. I think it’s partly driven by the bowser shock every week but you buy a car every 3-5 years and most major costs are paid once a year. Generally the cheapest car to own is the cheapest one to buy as the less you pay the less depreciation is in dollar terms and cheap cars typically cost less to insure, repair and service.
Yep the running costs as a % of the purchase cost are negligible .
My bug bear about Ev's as a pollution reduction vector is they are pushed onto the wrong section of the market.
When I was a delivery contractor it was at least 1 tank per day some times 2 tanks .
The diesel owners used to skite that they only used 2 to 3 tanks weekly but the fact they mostly had 70 litre tanks where as mu LPG bottle was only 40 litres seemed to go over their heads .
When Sydney had chronic photochemical smog it was addressed largely by subsidising the conversion of the 8,000 (?) taxis to LPG followed by AP vans .
So if Musk really wanted to sae the planet the very first vehicles released should have been 1 to 5 ton vans as in almost every city on the planet these are on the road 6 to 12 hours each & every week day
@ Agree but there are reasons, commercial vehicles need big batteries and batteries used to be expensive so passenger vehicles got the go first. What ever one thinks about carbon dioxide EV’s are a massive quantity of life improvement especially in urban environments. Commercial vehicles could really use teslas technology edge.
@@gregorynezar Commercial vehicles will make a much bigger impact than private vehicles ever can by virtue of the higher milages .
There was a lot of different ideas like for instance swappable battery packs , just like your power tools . As such these batteries can be recharged by the roof top solar on the warehouse roof during the day then swapped over when the vehicles return at night .
The last time I saw numbers for Sydney there was around 200,000 delivery vehicles if you include the 12,000 on demand courier fleet and the Post vehicles .
Next if EV's really are cheaper to run it is the big businesses who can depreciate the entire capital cost who would jump at the opportunity to drastically reduce operation costs .
I stand to be corrected, but from memory, when our governments provided incentives if you bought an EV, they specifically excluded hybrids. Seems there is some kind of inconsistency between the government view of what is an EV and the official definition. I'm considering buying a diesel powered Sorento GT, does this make be a bad person?
How many people have sold their EV and gone back to ICE?
Not many, because nobody wants to buy their used EV and dealers don't even want them as trade-ins, so they're stuck with them
As regular motor cycle rider/commuter for more than four decades I would regularly profile car makes to be wary of. In the early days Volvos set the nerves on edge. Later those drivers went to the next reputedly safest car, the Subaru. Lately I've noticed the batton has been handed to the driver of Teslas.
Never had an issue with Teslas myself. Subarus are usually doing 10 below the speed limit and Volvos are all from the past 5 years because they don't last longer than that anymore.
Biggest danger to other drivers on the road I've found are from Emotional Support Vehicles (Rangers, Hiluxes and SUV's, almost always with lift kits)
Having bean counters running an engineering company, what could possibly go wrong? Well ask Boeing.
I love John.
Send it to the ACCC...
the other day an A380 couldn't land in London, made two go arounds, kept flying for another hour until landing in Frankfurt. A380 holds 160,000 liters, uses 16000 liters per hour. If the avg EV uses 6 l per 100 km, that would have driven an EV 266,600 km. There was a 747 similar go around, uses about 10,000 litres/hr. How many of these occurr in the world with about 10,000 aircraft in the air worldwide at any given time? Millions of km, while PHEV's in most cases are charging up from remote fossil fuel generators. What an expensive hoax on the world.
It's a rounding error 😁
If you fast charge a tesla, its carbon footprint is bigger than my diesel Tiguan
Sounds like they were 82% correct
I reckon if Alex Unpronounceable went to Greece, he'd miraculously become pronounceable.
Probably.
RS3 only 200g per km.
I’m not surprised sales are down when and I quote ‘good plan to spend $20 - $30k more than an equivalent combustion car when y8 can by an MG4 for $7000 less than a Toyota Corolla is not quite being fair but that wouldn’t fit the narrative. A few years ago I would agree about the price difference but I guess it’s hard to check all the new vehicle brands flooding into Australia. I assume any price reduction into EVs can only be because the EV manufactures are loosening money instead of reducing to cost to manufacture? 80 years of watching ice vehicle prices going up may warp your expectations. Companies like VW that are buying xpengs platform because it’s more expensive and shit ev design makes you wonder what those Germans are doing right?
Hybrids where never called EV until now lol. This is the thing governments do with "gun violence "
The cheapest thing you put in a car is the fuel.
I have a Biturbo V6 diesel , I spend more on my daily cappuccino, than I do on fuel. It’s pretty good value.
No range or depreciation anxiety at all here.
No one is kidding anyone.
I just look at the top 10 selling cars every year.
And the top selling manufacturers.
Pretty well says it all.
The new car buyer is not totally stupid.
Well, it does depend on use case. My wife and I drive that little, these days, a 500 CI Cadilac would be an affordable option.