My 7 rules for record collecting
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- When it comes to record collecting, I try to stick to these 7 rules. The rules may not be for everyone, but they work for me.
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Totally agree with the used vinyl condition, I also am a VG+ only guy. Same with blind buys, I stream as much as possible before buying any physical media. Great video Frank
Hey Frank. Great video. I abide by the same rules and they’ve always served me well. Cheers
I would add “Don’t miss Record Store Day” ❤
As a music listener, rather than a collector, I also favor new black vinyl, and I’m a sucker for “180 gram” since they tend to be less warped. When it comes to used records I don’t buy records that are in poor shape. I can tolerate a ring worn sleeve, and an inner sleeve in need of repair, but I only buy used records that I can rescue and clean up a little. Ultimately this is not a financial investment, but rather a time investment, also known as a hobby, so I try to just have fun.
"Radio Broadcast" most of the time means "UA-cam rip on vinyl".
Ha! Yeah, fair enough. I try to preview when I can, to make sure the audio is decent (I don't have many radio broadcasts, but a few I do love...).
My rules - which does have exceptions like most things. 1) curated list. Stick to that list whenever possible. 2) if I won’t listen and love it doesn’t come home. If I realize it doesn’t meet those criteria after it’s home it’s gone. 3) $40 is limit (shipping might go above that of course). 4) plenty of low quality vinyl in my collection - a Beatles white album I got for $5 as it was beat up. It sounds pristine. It’s totally scratched. It’s important to know what is a scratch and what is damage! ….and yep NO BLIND BUYS!
hey frank...i really dont have any set rules, living off my social security check, so it always depends on the situation (bills to pay, how hard it is to find, asking price, etc...)...
but one rule you said struck a nerve...blind buys...
i used to leave a record store not knowing half of the albums i bought that just looked interesting..nowadays i cant even afford the ones i know and want...but in the immortal words of jagger...
'..ya' get what ya' need..'
great video.. hope the family is well..peace always to you man..rocky
Ya get what ya need... yes, indeed. Take care my friend.
Frank
My Rules are i think very simple: 1: Look on the Price if u can afford it. We don't have Unlimited Money! And if you REALLY want it, think about it a second time because u don't know how much money u need still in the month. If it is ok, get it. 2: For Used Vinyl Records: Always look on the condition before buying stuff. If it is ok then grab it. It would be also the best if u could listen to it first before buying. And Last thing: Before buying a record no matter if it is a cd or a vinyl: LIsten to some tracks first if u could like it.
Excellent rules.
I follow almost all your 7 rules, except sometimes I will buy 7" record if the song isn't on an album and its one of my top bands. And also I might buy a counterfeit if I think the record will never officially come out, and to buy it used the price is ridiculous. Another rule I have, is if the album isn't from one of my like top 10 artists, I have to like the majority of the record, because if, for example, I have an album that I only like 3 songs, but not the rest, I don't wanna have to keep getting up to move the needle plus flipping it. For those kind of albums, I will buy the CD, or listen digitally.
Gotta say dude, I agree with you on all accounts.
The only exception is maybe I'd spend up to $50CAD for a new title, but that's it.
We literally have the same rules to collecting. Good on ya!
Great minds... :)
Thanks for tuning in.
I have more CDs than I do records, so I have what's not so much a firm rule, but a general principle: if I already have it on CD, then think twice about whether I really want it bad enough on record. Or if it is available on CD, think twice about it I really want to spend more for the vinyl. This is a principle I've followed much more over the past couple of years as records have gotten more expensive. I also like cassettes and have a good cassette deck, so sometimes I even opt for that over vinyl lately.
I won’t pay a lot for a 7in, but I find them fun to buy because many record stores, antique stores, and yard/garage sales practically give them away!
True - I have found a few very valuable singles in stacks of 7 inch records.
I bought the bootleg of KISS Sonic Boom and it sounds great!
I have been tempted... I remember when they were released, I had one in my shopping cart from kissonline. It was $25 or $30 (I can't remember exactly) and I passed. Another stupid mistake I made...
@@Channel33RPM I hear you. That’s why I snagged Geddy Lee’s My Favourite Headache and Alex Lifeson’s Victor that were issued on vinyl recently. Those won’t last long on the market.
You heading down for the Fargo Record fair coming up? They started one last year here in Bismarck North Dakota as well. Probably smaller, but I still found some amazing stuff. Not sure when the Bismarck one will drop.
I was thinking about it (it's this coming up weekend), but I can't swing it this year. I'm going to aim to go in 2025. Here's hoping the Bismarck show comes soon for you!
In 2024, I'm on board with all 7 rules. I have bought a lot more "new used" records and 4/5 times it's a NM, occasionally a VG+ (my local shop grades very well 👍 ). I have yet to buy a bootleg, and though I would be tempted, I probably wouldn't even buy a bootleg of 10,000 Days by Tool; I'll keep waiting for a repress (20th anniversary in 2026 🤞) ONE personal exception might be Badland's Voodoo Highway (I have the debut on vinyl). Given the very unfortunate and complicated circumstances surrounding Badlands and the Ray Gillen situation after his passing...it's made 1991's Voodoo Highway very pricy. I had always hoped Atlantic could make an arrangement with the victims' families to split album sales 50/50 or something...not likely though. Cheers!
Most of my rules are the same as your rules. VG+ or better, black vinyl preferred, don't collect 7". One rule I try to stick to is not to buy an lp if I already own the cd, unless it's one of my top 5-ish favourite bands. I also try to not have multiple copies of the same album on vinyl. I won't pay more for gimmicky ephemera but I will pay extra for deluxe sets that include extra tracks and alternate mixes. Great video Frank!
I am guilty of owning multiple copies of my favorite albums :)
Great topic, Frank. Here's my take. (1) Agreed. Same when I find something on Discogs that has otherwise all but disappeared. (2) Completely agreed assuming we're talking Goldmine/Discogs VG+. Skips, pops or surface noise can just take me out of the listening experience. (3) That's a tough one but I generally agree. I hardly by brand new records anymore. Recent new pickups saw me pay $24.99 each for a few Rhino Rocktober releases, and I hit up a Numero Group pop-up locally this weekend where I got new records normally priced at $27 for $18. Pressing quality isn't what it used to be, so price HAS to be low (for me). (4) I somewhat disagree, but it depends. If you aren't sure a record is going to be a long-term keeper, paying a few bucks easier to me is worth it because it is usually easier to re-sell. On the other hand, specifically with Numero Group releases, the colored versions - in my experience - have more surface noise than the black version. All things being equal though, I prefer black. (5) I generally agree on avoiding blind buys at this point because space is at a premium, but I'll take chances when the record is a good deal less than $10, or is a cheap 45. (6) I don't often buy 45s, but when I am flying to a place where I'll also pop into record stores, I only buy 45s because they're easy to travel on airplanes with. (7) Completely agree. Counterfeits should be destroyed - bootlegs are a different thing entirely.
My only other rue is to always remember that a dollar spent on a reissue is a dollar not spent on an original. Space is at a premium, and heck, so is money and I just enjoy originals more anyway. That said, if it's music I really like and the OG is physically or financially unobtainium... you buy a reissue. Like any rules for a hobby, there are always shades of gray. I hope all is well up there!
Cheers, Tom
Tom - good to hear from you. I just realized I haven't seen your vids forever. I checked and somehow I was unsubscribed. Anyway, I went and fixed that. BTW, the guy who has been sponsoring my vids is from your neck of the woods. Hope all is well.
Frank
My rules for record collecting are not to buy records. I have most of my albums from the late 70s and 80s but prefer CDs now. Love the channel Frank.
Thanks. Cheers Matt!
All good Frank. I actually have a couple more rules that makes that rabbit hole a little smaller. 👊🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
I have a couple of the first Rush album. One is worth a bit ...I never knew it was apparently it is. Like 450 or so/
Great episode Frank...all the best
Thanks for watching!
The correct term for Counterfeit Records is Pirate Records. Some people get confused and call them Bootlegs. Bootlegs are usually comprised of non released studio material or live material.
I only have two rules nowadays regarding buying vinyl.
Do I want it, and is it reasonably priced. I'm not fussed if it is a reissue. There are 5 vinyl albums I require, and one is second-hand availability only due to being an RSD issue.
On a different note, one nice surprise was finding recently the Voivod CD Box Set of their early albums and the dvd cheap at HMV. It was £17.99 and was £39.99 originally. Amazon had it at £45.99. I had heard snippets of their early material. I have played albums and 3 tonight. Killing Technology was enjoyable.
Good rules, Frank - but here's something I do that transgresses a couple: I don't buy 7" singles any more - my brother and I have thousands of the things - but I do get a UK music magazine on subscription, called 'Electronic Sound'. Every month, it will have an achingly rare 7" on coloured vinyl. They are produced solely for the magazine, and sell out very quickly. In my defence, I only buy coloured vinyl albums if they contain extra material that I have not encountered before. Otherwise, no.
Vinyl collecting has the unfortunate mantra of “get it or regret it”. For me collecting is about investing, and I have a preference for color variations. The UK just had it’s vinyl celebration day (kinda like record store day, only available from day of release), which included an exclusive white vinyl issue of the Beatles’ “A Hard Day’s Night” LP, which will easily be snapped up by collectors.
HMV in the UK and Sunrise in Canada will also be issuing an exclusive powder blue vinyl edition of Capitol’s “Meet The Beatles”, day and date as the rest of the ‘64 Beatles’ Capitol re-issues in November. These Beatles collectibles will only increase in value (and surely be inflated by ‘flippers”).
Great video, Frank! It's nice to review or make up rules as we go now and then. I agree with having a maximum amount of money to spend. That's a no-brainer! I'm with you that about $40 is enough nowadays. As far as grails go, if it's something that you've always wanted and especially if you don't see it often or at all, then use your own judgment. I never buy 45s anymore. Back in the day of top 40 radio they were a way to see if you might like the lp they were on. I remember I bought most of mine for .66 cents!! And I do agree with buying black vinyl. But on RSD offerings, it's difficult as a lot of reissues are on coloued or splattered vinyl.
Keep on spinning Frank 👍
Thanks for tuning in!
My main rule is simple: no reissues! Except if the reissue hit the chart in it's own right (I collect the UK hit singles and albums).
I find it difficult to buy the complete box sets of an artist if I already have the singles of the albums when they came out. 🤔
I had to make a rule for myself that if I have the actual CD, I cant get the vinyl. Unless I find an OG or vintage copy in the wild. No reissues, no ebay/discogs. I was buying records that I already owned, got rid of cuz I bought the CD, but now want the record again. So i put the kybosh on that.
With an exception here and there Frank, I don't bother with vinyl LPs that I already have on CD. 📀 A notable exception is my copy of the ST for SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER (1977) . $40. was the most I ever paid for a CD. Fortunately, it turned out to be a good CD. 📀
Hey Frank! My rules for vinyl collecting: never go more than 125€ for the very rare records. Minimum vg for my used dj records and vg+ for albums and EP's. Sleeves for the dj records i don't much care about them tbh. And also i love just a good dj record bootleg, special remix or added (different) vocals on other songs. for those i'm a real crate digger. Also i prefer black records too.
Good rules.
I'm torn on counterfeit vinyl. I completely understand your stance and agree with you. However, there are a few rare instances where I will buy them. I'm on a mission to collect every Wu-Tang Clan album. That means all group albums, but also each solo album from every member of which there is about 100. I'm now only 15 records away from completing this goal. But, there are a couple that I don't think I could ever justify purchasing at their current market price. For example, Ghostface Killah's album Supreme Clientele is long out of print. In fact, it's only been pressed twice since it came out in 2000. The issue, from what I've heard online is legal issues surrounding the old Iron Man cartoon samples that he used throughout the album. When he originally licensed them, Marvel was nearly bankrupt, but fast forward 24 years and Marvel is the biggest entertainment property in the world. They are also now owned by Disney, so either A) they simply won't allow him to relicense the samples or B) he can't afford the asking price they now want. Either way, the price for the official pressings of the album go for close to $1000 for a mint copy. There currently aren't counterfeit versions out there, but I think I would probably get one.
I agree with rule #1. I just had the chance to buy the first Tin Machine album last night. It hasn’t been available since the early ‘90’s and is a grail I’ve been after for years. I probably paid $10 or $15 more than I should but I never see it and knew the time to buy was right now.
As far as grading I will go for NM whenever possible but VG+ might get my money if it is something I’ve had a hard time finding.
I love bootlegs. But only live concert recordings. I’m not into demos or previously unreleased tracks… even those included in box sets as bonus discs. I feel the same about counterfeit albums with two exceptions because of their unique place in history. Those are Introducing The Beatles and David Bowie Metrobolis.
pretty much agree with everything here
Definately agree with rule number one. Cant remember how many times I have seen something and thought I might be able to get it somewhere cheaper... only to find I cant and then the original find is gone !! When searching on discogs, I look at mint only. I bought something a while ago that was advertised as VG+ and it was in a hell of a state. Vinyl played OK but the album sleeve had been in a war zone!! Final rule - I will never lend my vinyl to people because my previous experiences mean it wont come back, or if it does, its scratched and battered. Keep on spinnin !!
Graham, you raise a good point about people misrepresenting items they are selling online. This is a huge problem. So many sellers don't know (or ignore) what a VG+ record actually is.
Cheers,
Frank
I’ve gotten way more liberal with my record purchases. Used to just be albums that I’d get a lot of play out of but as my collection has grown, the amount that each individual record gets played goes down. If it’s an “important album” in the genres I listen to, I’ll pick it up even if I know I won’t play it very often. My most recent example of this was F♯ A♯ ∞ by Godspeed You! Black Emperor. I also frequently blind buy vintage records at the thrift shop. It’s not always the most interesting music but for less than a dollar each there have been some winners!
I am definitely learning to pick up grail records when I see them, though. I recently got an original pressing of Death Cab for Cutie’s Plans for a decent price. It’s not exactly a grail record, but I’m definitely glad I have it instead of a reissue.
Yip. If you see a OG Rare Grail pressing of a fav album.. GRAB IT.
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I lesson I learned the hard way...
I like your rules but I'm more flexible on the price. I'd add that I'm wary of any RSD releases of live recordings or B-sides. And while box sets tend to be interesting for only a few listens, some have good extras, and are a way to support the band (Loan's Smeared box set is great for fans of them)
Rule #1 - What is the stores return policy?
This especially applies to brand new records. If you can open it in the store before you leave, then do it. Trust me. You dont want to drive back home, or even fly half way across the country. Just to get home and find out you got a defective record. It has happened to me so many times, that I don't even want to buy bran new albums, ever! I opened a brand new Brian Eno album (Taking Tiger Mountain) and there was some nasty looking on one side. Thinking, that's kinda odd. I looked inside the jacket and sure enough. The foldback part that gets glued together. Yeah, could it be any sharper? Because the marks on the album seemed kinda strange that it was just on 1 spot. And it lines right up with this edge. Throw in the lousy white paper sleeve, and you got a disaster. So now if that is the case. Then I have no plans on buying any of the others brand new. Just because theres a good chance it's gonna be scratched. So its nice to see how quality control doesn't apply to the jacket. If you got one of these new reissues. Check it out. Just dont cut yourself on it.
#2 - No more blind buys, unless the price reflects that. Would rather be upset on some cheap record rather then a $50 album
#3 - Grails...yeah, you better grab it when you can. It may even be gone before you leave the store. Saw that expensive Beatles 7" box set for $40, and I knew I should've grabbed it. Went back not even 2 hours later. Gone! So when I saw a copy of The Great Rock And Roll Swindle by The Sex Pistols yesterday. I just grabbed it. Was lucky to have scored it for $20
#4 - Always, and I mean always check the flatness of a used record before you buy it. Practice this by spinning the record on the tip of your pinky finger. Just use your James Last albums to practice with. Once again, like rule #1. Same idea. Don't want to get home and be like, wtf?!?
I agree, I don't add anything to my collection below VG+.
I'm willing to wait for a clean copy instead of settling on a lower grade copy.
For my "want list", I like a deal, but know your prices because when I find something I want, I'm not gonna worry about it if it's a couple of bucks higher in price. It's in front of me now, so if it's $5 or $10 higher than I wanted, if the quality is there, I'll pull the trigger.
Generally stick to buying new records strictly online as it's almost always cheaper than in brick and mortar stores. I don't like buying used records online that only have a grading with no verbiage why or how they arrived at that grade. I like color vinyl but only if around the same price as the black vinyl, which is often, if not I'll generally go for the black vinyl version. I will not keep records that are pressed off-center. I always return them. I wash all new records before playing them. Those are some of my rules.
Frank you’re forgetting something those record stands. You said it is free shipping in the US but you should mention in Canada. You would have to pay the shipping for it.
If it always has to be paid, why mention it? It goes without saying.
I agree that Black vinyl is preferable to color vinyl. The sound is what matters not the look. Growing up in Los Angeles in the 70's / 80's most " used " I purchased were actually promos & did get me conditioned to not purchase used that weren't in at least VG+ condition. Don't like " unofficial " pressings. Don't know the source & don't know if a live album is multiple shows despite statement that it's one show.
Like you, I go for sound over looks.
I love colored vinyl, and I’m okay with paying a couple dollars extra for it
I have a couple that went up in value (Bad Taste and Meet the Feebles soundtrack on picture disk for example) but since I don't plan to sell them, the value could be 50ct or 2k, makes no difference. Never bought a single, only ever bought one maxi single, Relax by Frankie goes to Hollywood. For some reason I had to have it, but probably haven't put it on the player more than 10 times, LOL. While it plays longer, it is just one song on one side and I'm just as lazy with that get up and flip thing. Occasionally I played with the idea of getting an old jukebox that plays singles, but they are expensive and not easy to maintain, so never did.
Tsk tsk Frank...my nearly 5K of 45s are not really happy with you right now...heh heh... Overall,, wise, logical list, and good tips all the way around as always...have a great week!
Wow! Sounds like a killer collection! I have been tempted, just had to draw a line somewhere...
I follow all those rules
Stopping blind buys is something I also do now, I don’t have the space for records that I’m not going to listen too.
Same here.
being a newbie to vinyl collecting I guess I need to come up with my own set of rules. havn't came across any grails yet. lol even if I did probably out of my price limit i'm ok with just buying everything new for right now.
It's probably just me who has rules, haha. Without them, I would just go down too many rabbit holes :)
@@Channel33RPM I get it ,being new I have a list of 5 bands to buy when I get what I want from each band ill mark it off and add another
No rules. My collection is pure anarchy.
Anarchy is cool too! \m/
One of my rules is DO NOT buy a 45 rpm LP. It just seems wrong.
What are your thoughts on those 45rpm 2 disc versions of albums? I’m not a fan, I don’t want to flip an album 3 times when I can just do it once with the 33 rpm version.
I'm with you... I am not a fan... 2 songs per side?? No thanks. I get that they may sound better, but I don't care for the trade offs.
I really don't understand the complaints that records are expensive. When the Beatles White Album came out in 1968 the retail price was $11.98 and that equals $109 in today's money. Records are relatively cheaper than they have ever been. Back in 1989 I used to pay $15.99 for a cd and that is over $40 in today's money. I don't get all the whining about price.
I can't speak to your experience, I can only speak to mine. As someone who lives in Western Canada,
in 1989, I was paying $8.99 for a record. According to the Bank of Canada inflation calculator (www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/related/inflation-calculator/) that is equal to $19 in 2024. That said, I understand a lot of other factors that play into prices, including supply and demand. Perhaps more relatable, I was paying $25 to $30 for a new record 2-3 years ago... nowadays, new records here sell for $30 to $50. It hurts the pocketbook, but it is what it is (everything is going up in price - groceries, gas, homes, etc., and the CDN$ has weakened a bit). I buy what I want, and leave behind what I don't. Whatca gonna do?
Curious how you feel about the audience recordings of live shows. Say like kiss, I know they had even made official “bootlegs” off the soundboard, which is even better.
I don't care for audience recordings... except for the UA-cam stuff. You? Those KISS official bootlegs are awesome!
I can understand being generally disinterested in 7'' singles, but that doesn't mean I don't have any. For example, I have a copy of Rancid's first 7'' (made before Lars joined the band) because it feels like an interesting moment in Rancid's development. I keep my press copy of OFF!'s First Four EPs (which was originally released on VICE Records as a four 7'' box set) for the same reason. I also have a Beatles 45 which is a picture sleeve Capitol single that I didn't buy but was given to me, and I keep it for the story. I have a couple of others too which follow one of those aforementioned guidelines, and it's unlikely that I'll ever get rid of them.
What are my rules for record collecting? I think long, hard and critically before I drop one hundred dollars on a record. It has happened three times. I never go as high as $200. That's my limit -- no record I can think of is worth that much -- maybe I'd drop larger money on a box set, but that hasn't happened yet.
Fair enough - I have a handful of cool 7 inch singles as well (my prized one is a super rare SNFU single from 86).
$30 wont buy many new records here, most start at $40…
Million of Ænima bootlegs , i got one, had to sell it…..its a shame the OG is worth $400 and more 🤮
youre missing out on counterfiet bootleg records of official out of print or never released on vinyl albums. Ive compared bootlegs to offcial releases and sometimes i preferred the bootleg. Also sometimes the bootleg has more thought and love put into the packaging.
Listen to it , never got the thing about owning music if you don't listen to it .., it is to me akin to owning a rare Ferrari and never taking her out , silly .., rule two ,..., don't buy a record in bad shape for top dollar just because you don't have it or it may be harder to find .., stop this trend , stop inflating the price of crap vinyl .., rule 3 , 40 dollars for a new record .., f@ck off !!! Rule 4 , dont support sketchy dealers at flea markets or antique stores that jumped on the wagon , they ask top dollar for so-so records and if pushed will refer you to Discogs and price guides .., rule 5 , blind buys .., if 15 bucks or so , BUY IT .., this is the fun of discovery , this is why we do this format , otherwise just stick to streaming and finding stuff on your computer .., rule 6 , stop being any sort of elitist , if a kid has 10 records and a Crosley support them , help them , DONT talk down to them and go on about how great your shit and knowledge is .., rule 7 .., enjoy ,