I am not familiar with these groups and need help. Can you tell me each of these groups members tier ranking and also how many in each group can support? bvndit (?/5) jungwoo - c yiyeon - songhee - craxy (?/5) swan - c chaey - gwsn (?/7) seoryoung - c lena - d dreamnote (3/6) lara - c miso - c? boni - d youi - f billlie (?/7) Haram - c Suhyeon - Moon SuA - Pink Fantasy (?/8) Yechan - b- Seea - c also please tell me if I missed someone, who also should be included in the vocal line (could be a sub vocal who can support or someone who is better than the ones I mentioned)
@Gabriel Paixão exactly! it's crazy how good they are. Ailee is definitely the best female kpop vocalist, and Luna is like a tier above Taeyeon and Wendy, but wow among girl groups, the fact that there hasn't been another competent kpop vocalist like those 2 for almost 8 years is crazy, they are really impressive XD
The fact that they could only show lip synced performances for most them especially karina is kind of telling. There’s no live vocals to judge on which makes it an unfair ranking.
Liz having shallow support and not even proper cord connection/muscle engagement but having the same score as seulgi who does all of those things properly is funny to me
On the first day of the premiere, it looked the same! But after the cover of IU's song and the vocals we eleven bartenders you can see that her vocals are not superficial but she is shy (and several music students said that she has a chance to become a type C vocalist - because she is in Starship and she is new)
@@ivy2267 Ailee isn't an idol tho, she never went under the K-pop idol trainee system. She's an amazing singer, but this discussion is for K-pop idol vocalists only
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@@ParkJimin-sp5kd Oh Look, an Army, if it's a BTS Stan saesang, then I know the opinion is irrelevant, but Wendy and Solar are completely different. solar most of the time focuses on Tone, while Objectively, Wendy has the Highest and best range in Kpop. but solar is almost there since Wendy does not have the unique tone, but she is good. Solar obviously doesn't get Wendy in range but In tone, Solar takes the Kimchi. But sure
I prefer jyp girl groups but I gotta admit sm artists are best trained in vocals. Thanks for making this video. Hope to see more vocal analysis related videos from you.
Seo hasn’t been as focused on her vocals as she’s pursuing her acting career and Jessica isn’t really singing these days so their technique has declined by a tad bit. Jessica is my ult bias and her chest placement used to be soo good but lately she’s regressed a little. Seohyun has too little singing to tell tho
@@joshuachhakchhuak6799 jessica recently released a single “Can’t Sleep” and Seohyun been singing medley songs ever since she signed with Namoo. You can check them out 💗 Both still showing they are exceptional vocalists
Acho possível que YonnA e Hyo tenham subido sua pontuação… a YonnA na música nova está com uma voz incrível! Aparentemente todas do Oh!GG tiveram uma melhora considerável… e Sunny ganhou mais espaço para cantar! Sunny definitivamente poderia ser uma main vocal!
He/she probably didn't choose/listen to the performances that could better showcase Jessica's and Seohyun's vocals. Around debut time, Jessica's vocals were almost on the same tier as Taeyeon's, and Seohyun progressed significantly during TTS time (the iconic “Cater to You” live)
I love how you encouraged us to voice our opinions because the creators of some vocal rankings just say that they ranking and observations are the ultimate truth and everyone disagreeing is just delusional.
Would you consider making a videos of some of the reasons for ranking? Like flaws you found in their technique? Asking because I find this all fascinating and wish I could hear distinctions in technique :))
Seulgi is definitely on the same level as winter and jihyo.. maybe even better than some. She’s an amazing lead vocalist and can be main in most other groups if she trained more (not to mention her being one of the best dancers too)
she is good at others skills but her supported range narrow for a lead vocalist.I think that's why jihyo above her.and also jihyo can easily take down winter.seulgi is look like nayeon cuz also nayeon just has Bb4 or B4 (like a paradox) supported range but she is good at other skills.like angelic and more...
@@laniakeaselena.7718 Has she? I personally hasn't seen it before. But doesn't change the fact that her actual (usual) supported range is only up to A4. After ICSM Jyp really pushed her too hard and she lost Bb4.
it's sad how the less popular groups don't have as much recognition and that the newer groups (yes I know that they need time to grow but the standard is just so low) are lacking in vocals. -liz (ive) doesn't seem like a standard vocalist to me, especially during their encores, it's really disappointing. -chaeyeon should be ranked higher than chareryeong? -oh my girl seunghee should be on this list uwu -and i don't think that jisoo(bp) and chayeon (izone), nayeon and rose should be ranked that closely -although stayc, itzy and (g)-idle may not have the best vocalists of their generation, they keep their mics on (which i really admire) people honestly need to stop prioritising visuals, popular groups and neglecting vocalists and thank you for this
Liz, she may need more time to improve and show off her vocal ability. And, sorry, I may forget to put some more groups here due to the length of video (funfact: Seunghee may enter Capable tier and tied/above with Hwasa) I agree that every idol should sing live and yup, I respect those groups who try their best to sing and dance. But lipsync is not a problem, the fact is that some groups like StayC, (G)-Idle,... don't have good technique, so if they sing live too regularly, it can damage their voice gradually (the proof is that Miyeon used to be higher, but now she's at low Weak tier) And, yeh, thank you for your watching ^^
Nayeon and rose are same level. Both have shown shallow A4s due to stylistic choice but nayeon might have more (even strained sometimes). Nayeon has sung some supported Bb4s especially in her early career and predebut. Rose also sung supported Bb4s but only in studio. But Nayeon has a more developed in lower register than rose.
@@Jack-ep7yj girl hitting notes doesn’t make you a good singer, i feel like rosé isn’t a bad vocalist, but could improve a bit in some areas of her voice
@@eirinha2287 what word in my sentence said hitting notes decides u a good singer. Y’all triggered fans always say “wow look at her hitting those high notes, main vocalist material” if u wanna praise ur fave. And then say “hitting notes doesnt make u a good singer” when someone gives criticism to ur fave. Do u understand supported range i was talking abt?
The description for the standard is too vague "support well in their range " it not exactly true cause it can be only within certain limited range usually only Up Bb4 ,B4 for the higher ones For the ranking there's some weird placements like Giselle below soo,joy and yena ,Liz is way too high ,putting her just next to seulgie who can handle G3-Bb4/B4 doesn't sounds logical ,chaehyun is also way too high. Even at yuju worst technique state days/era she was never that low ,I already addressed that with the channels that made that statement (mainly the Vietnamese stan channels rookie 101 ,Reggie Vu, watermelon....)ppl saw it and run with it but they all retracted that cause it was just not true Non of the standard to capable have ever showcased real resonance
Oh no, sorry for unclear description. Actually I don't want my channel to become vocal-channel,, I want it to be funny channel for every content, so I don't focus on description of each rank. Anyway, Thanks for your feedback
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 SO WHY ? why doing this video when its clear you have not enough knowledge ? why replying to ppl who ask questions in this vague way ? why ranking vocalists you are not even sure about ? why ? why ? why ? ..... I am sorry but I find it very weird that you made the video in the first place and that that's your reply to criticism.
Okay my babes, so here are some few corrections: Sihyeon: ~4.1 (Weak tier) Sooyoung: ~4.2 (Weak tier) LiA: ~4.7 (Weak tier) Karina: ~6.2 (Standard tier) Yuri (ex-IZ*ONE): ~6.2-6.3 (Standard tier) Seulgi: ~6.5-6.6 (Standard tier) Ningning: ~8.0 (top-Standard to Capable tier) Wheein: ~8.4 (Capable tier) For Yuju and Liz, I will consider more in the future
Actually, when it comes to vocal technique, it can't be based on opinion but facts because it's related to technique. But I respect For your information, Hwasa not reaal good if compare with seohyun bcs she's just stop support in C5. Both have some resonance but, seohyun more higher in C#5. Taeyeon and wendy should have a score difference because Taeyeon is superior in the mid belt and consistent resonance in C#5/D5 and consistent support in D5/Eb5.
While I agree on your argument that it is factual based on technique, I feel whatever metric was used was heavily reliant on the ability to go higher up in pitch and belting, wish there was also observance on the ability to hit low notes with body/support.
So what?? Wendy's upper register and agility are better than taeyons. Also evethough they both have good lows, I would say wendy is a little better. I know mixed register is the most difficult and impressive one, but you have to consider vocalist as a whole package. So imo, giving them the same score is a good choice.
@@jonasgarcia3853 ik what your mean, but that's the fact. Taeyeon is one of good agility in idol kpop, ik wendy can show complex run, but she's sometimes doesn't handle her agility while taeyeon can handle even she's show her agility. Wendy have good lower and upper but just good, not amazing or awesome. Fyi, taeyeon as sopran good in lower, and she's top 5 headvoice among female idol vocalist. The result, the both is a package vocalist, but wendy have wider range while taeyeon have good control and better experience.. Tbh, the both is my bias..
Sorry but eunha is a weak vocalist. She ranks in the F tier and has no support at all. She has a very pretty voice and is a good singer, but as an actual vocalist, she’s very weak
one more thing, i heard about Hyolyn is a good vocalist thanks to Queendom 2, her rank is an A, which means better than the best of this ranking (Taeyeon), how would you give her a score?
@@jeremym.21 Doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve praise. People can favorite whoever they want. A singer doesn’t need to be Hyolyn level to be praised. And Nayeon is overhated and under appreciated by Kpop stan and the only attention she gets for her singing is hate for getting a lot of lines.
@@chaeyoungslovie your right, I'm happy with nayeons voice and her tone is often really nice, but I jumped in, as in this comment,she was called underrated. Thats a red flag for me. Everyone today talks about Blackpink and twice in there list and say they are the best. Thats totally fine if its just opinion, but people often forget the really good trained Idols, because they are not their Generation or not that succsessfull as other groups and nayeon is not underrated in that term. She gets a lot of praise and sadly lot of hate too
@@cc0241 ye ofc. But tae more better in resonance. And u must know, taeyeon is have the bigger resonance among female idol for main vocalist in group. Even hyolyn not good in resonance as taeyeon.
Well actually im not sure taeyeon has ever supporred an eb5 while wendy has. Also to put into consideration that wendy has a more developed lower and upper register
I agree with pretty much all of these, except Moonbyul and Seulgi definitely place a lot higher than they alr are... like Moonbyul is at least a D+ in my opinion, near the same tier as Hwasa (a little lower)
I would def like to correct a few things Yuju despite regressing is still a B- tier vocalist she still supports up to C#5 but lost her resonance but she’s def way above than a lot of vocalists you put above her. She has the same supported range as before but no resonance that’s it. Her rank is still like 9/10. Heejin, Sinb, Yerin, Mina, and Chaeyoung def in E/E+ tier and Chaewon should be moved down. All these vocalists have shown varying degrees of support even though it’s shallow. Also Yves isn’t that much better than Heejin yet you put her in a tier above her but really the two are the same level with Yves being better by just a bit. And HaSuel is definitely not on the same level as Nayeon or Rose’ bc Hasuel while having a great head voice, her mix is very thin and shallow and her support in that area is worse than Heejin’s and Yves’s. If you didn’t include her head voice and only her she would be below Mina and Chaeyoung tbh. Nayeon may get shallow around A4/Bb4 but she has way better grasp of support in her mix and lows overall than Hasuel. Also I have a question, are these numbers ratings out of 10?
Okay so thanks for your feedback, I will appreciate it, however I will consider more in the future, esp for many vocalist that everyone easily think they have support but actually not (Heejin, SinB, Chaeyoung,... yes, they have breath support, but not full support) besides, Haseul is not that bad, she's still can be top of Weak tier or at least mid-Weak. And, yep, not out of 10, but 16. I will post new video for more explanations. btw thanks for your effort in correcting my rank
Just a question! Did you only rank them via their supported range? A lot of the reasonings in the video and title would imply that you only ranked them with their range and there are a lot of amazing singers with pretty bad range and a lot of bad singers with good range, just a question though i don't mesn any offense :)).
Not really, because in pop singing, mixed range is the most important criterion to rank them, so supported range may be the most crucial one to rank. And this video is only about technique, so another side like musicality, voice, tone,... wouldn't be included. I can take an example like Siyeon from Dreamcatcher, she has kinda undeveloped skill and often uses her stylistic voice. However, her voice is good and very suitable for the concept DC follows (Rock style with dark/horror concept), so she's a good Kpop-idol singer, but not a good vocalist.
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 you should put it as a disclaimer or in the title then ;) At first I thought it was only me who thought this ranking was confusing, but seeing the comments, it’s mixed with a lot of discrepancies. Also put into consideration, live vocals, stability, agility, versatility, enunciation, consistency, etc. But still good job.
OMG how you get here ^^ Love every single of your videos babe ^^ I just founded this channel and, you may not know that I just make video for... fun ^^ yah, 'cause I love music and KPOP so much So sorry if anything got wrong
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 it’s fine it’s a long video where u worked on and u deserve every view we have different opinions so it’s no facts❤️ Thanks for supporting me and i will support you 2.
I believe that if some Loona members were trained in SM (Haseul, Jinsoul. Kim Lip, Heejin and Yves) they could really improve their vocals even tho they are already good.
I can't accept having Moonbyul that low... 2 years ago she didn't had the chance to express her vocal abilities that much but tier F... That's a bit much... Today with her solo album she showed she should be higher. or me she could be place in the tier D ou D+.
I think nayeon might be over ROSE ( no hate ) cuz I don't like rose's mixed and upper register and they are not relaxed and quality is like not okay for me.just my opinion.thank you.
This is not a critique of the ranking itself, as I'm sure you considered more than just one video/recordjng per person, but it would seem more objective if you showed them all performing under similar circumstances, I think. Like, I think the video of Shuhua for example showed her sitting at a table half bent over doing idk what and just lightly singing along to a bp-song, the vid of Yujin had her performing a taxing dance routine while singing live, and many videos clearly didn't feature raw live vocals - again, I'm sure you didn't just go off of one video per person, but the presentation makes it harder to understand the ranking.
Thank you, my babe. I just use random video of their singing to show their appearance to viewers ^^ maybe there will be analysis video in the future...
@@yenahappyvirus3819 It's not surprised babe, rewatch her More & More stage, even her C5 has better placement than Jihyo lol. She's actually a good sub vocalist, at least she has okay placement with some (maybe little) sense of breath support so yeh, she deserved F+
i disagree with how low moonbyul is, i think she was underdeveloped compared to her peers in mamamoo bc the company discouraged her singing, but she has a lovely tone and has improved a lot as she’s expanded her solo discovery. she’s even competing on second world, a show where rappers will demonstrate their vocal abilities.
i know for the undeveloped tier, it was hard to rank them correctly, but bahiyyih is better than xiaoting a little bit, even xiaoting's vocal range is wider than bahiyyih, bahiyyih stamina is better than xiaoting (as you said this tier by stamina). not because of post-covid-19 result, her voice crack and poor breath control. i would give xiaoting 2.6 bahiyyih 2.7 yeseo 2.7 and dayeon 2.9
@@SakusaHusband i donno, but i sure that dayeon, mashiro, youngeun, yujin, and of course chaehyun are better, maybe she is top 6 or 7 something. she is absolutely better than xiaoting and hikaru.
Hi! I hope that you are thinking of doing part 2! If you are, I would love to see the ex-ioi members (Or at least the ones that are still active), Dreamcatcher, NIMXX, and soon-to-be-debuting LE SSERAFIM (Which I hope includes a positive change for Chaewon and Sakura... hoping that HYBE trained them)
the reason seulgi is so high for a lead vocalist is because she was trained to be the main vocal of red velvet... until a certain someone came around. Th rest is history
Minnie support A3-G#4 occasionally, she's the best pitch and upper register in (G)I-DLE despite being stylistic her range usually Always grounded potential to support
Actually Minnie has sense of breath support and placement, but she haven't supported yet, however. But I agree with you, her vocal is one of my favorite in Kpop (Lion's high note still
Chaehyun is the only one who has decent vocal training, because it's her specialty and also because she's a former SM trainee, the other 8 had training focused on dance
Incorrect info..Tzuyu is above Sana.. She's into fairly relaxed tone and is close to support when observed in live vocals.. Moreover, she doesn't make her voice so unstable like Sana. This's actually misleading as Tzuyu's development is rapid and very soon she would enter the supporting category in TWICE.
Not too sure about Liz but chaehyun is definitely above jeongyeon. She supports better. Supported ranges: Jeongyeon: A3-A4/Bb4 (D+ tier) Chaehyun: A3/Bb3-Bb4/B4 (C tier)
It would be better if you could be clearer. Also I think that you could do a top 15 or 10 but with deep analysis, because some of this ranking seem to be VERY wrong and can annoy fans.
lmao this is not it. How come eunha could be so far away below nayeon and jungyeon?? How can you analyze their support when nayeon and jungyeoan barely singing their high notes LIVE? Eunha did pretty cool with her high notes in encore stage without any backing track. She hit F5 in sunrise LIVE while nayeon often avoided her high notes in can't stop me encore stages. And then Yuju is below Jihyo? it's not right. Yuju's resonant is always there, and she got a very good agility that you will rarely see it in Jihyo. Yuju should be on a par with Solar. Then Solar is a mamamoo's main vocalist for a reason. Her support and resonant is better than wheein, it is very recognizeable. Wheein tends to sound more shallow and airy but she has a pretty good agility and style in singing. For Tiffany, after she ventured and toured the US and then do chicago musical in korea, her technique becomes more matured. She knows how to produce her voice well and her texture is richer now, aged like a fine wine, I think she should be higher than Sunny now. Sunny is rarely seen in the musical scene if it's not with SNSD, and her voice is not change a lot since snsd days. Yes, she has a really high voice and light that makes it seem so easy to hit high notes, but if you dive deeper to her live singing, she tends to sing flat/sharp or pitchy, esp. in the end of a note. That's why I think Tiffany should be higher than sunny. And for you who put 4th gen vocalist really high in the rank like chaeyeong from keppler, I think we need to see her more LIVE performances since nowadays music shows are all pre-recorded and or they're just lip-sync it.
Theres no shot yoona is ranked higher than moonbyul...yoona is awesome and so funny on variety shows.... but VOCAL ranking? There has to be something i missed
@@joannaeyong8199 No my babe, Wendy is solid-Competent Vocalist. Even she has regressed a bit due to her health problem, she's still better vocalist than Nayul
@@tienle_nulosa Doesn't Hyojung consistently support up to A4/Bb4? Her A4s sound supported to me, albeit heady, nasal and a bit throaty. I personally consider her as low standard / Weak to Standard.
@@LuisPandiangan-fb8vn i'm so sorry, thankyou for the correction, i would update this list • Tiffany>Seulgi, both at high A but Tiffany has better moment up to B4 recently on her "chicago musical" (?), Also tiffany has slightly better hv than seulgi, eventhough on lower register they just on par, seulgi has the fullness down to G3 and below that tiffany has pretty better placement • Taeyeon may regress her resonance due to her "lazy" or even lipsync, some of her D5's are questionable, i'm agree to put her on AA~P, but trust me that Tae will back on her Proficient era as soon as she put much effort especially to produce resonance just like on her prime era • I don't want to say anything about Wendy :(
I disagree, nayeons technique is not exactly the best. Itzy's vocals aren't the best either. But i don't think that matters for both Itzy and TWICE since vocals aren't the main point of those groups lol.
@@mariaEduarda-rz6mb nope on kva system Rosé is C and Nayeon is D+ stop underrating Rosé only cause she doesn't show her potential on blackpink songs, listen her vocals on dynamic duo
Hmm, actually the undeveloped tier, yup, they have quite same ability in vocal, so you can rank them in any order. In my opinion, Xiaoting is still better than Yeseo, just a little bit, 'cause her breath control is okey. Same with Yujin and Dayeon, while Dayeon has good breath control, Yujin may have better technique.
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 Hey I’m so sorry to be that person but for Kep1er, all of them except Chaehyun is underdeveloped but Bahiyyih is actually the second best vocalist in the group; she showed the most grounded moments and less nasality than the rest like Younguen, Yeseo, Yujin, Mashiro sing very bright light tight and thin so Bahiyyih could’ve been in subweak tier.
She lowers her larynx too much, and it would harm her voice if she don't stop. It may be unique, but not good for health. As now she starts to sing in her natural voice, I prefer her natural voice too
@@Vermillion808 imo she has a great natural sense of breath control, you can see how she can sustained the note long with no strains(up to B4 she loses balance and leading her to strains tho) she also has supported low not in her recent perfomance(Lover Perfomance precisely) and great dynamic&transition between head to chest and vice versa, i would say she's on Nayeon/Jeongyeon Level maybe?
@@diosbatagoli458 that isn't exactly the best comparison because both Nayeon and jeongyeon aren't exactly the most developed plus Nayeon is uncontrollably nasal almost
Sorry, but i kinda disagree with Wendy being below Taeyeon. Big fans of both, but wendy's vocals and range is actually larger than Taeyeon's, she struggles way less with belting the extreme high ranges than Taeyeon.
Sana is not higher than Eunha, Yerin, Sihyeon, Sieun, Yoon, Isa, Youngeun, and some others below her. I'm not a professional but Sana is kinda nasal and she doesn't have good technique.
@@moo3814 Yes lmao. Tzuyu can sing in a more relaxed and open approach with better placement and is closer to supporting than Sana when she is not too throaty lmao.
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I am not familiar with these groups and need help. Can you tell me each of these groups members tier ranking and also how many in each group can support?
bvndit (?/5)
jungwoo - c
yiyeon -
songhee -
craxy (?/5)
swan - c
chaey -
gwsn (?/7)
seoryoung - c
lena - d
dreamnote (3/6)
lara - c
miso - c?
boni - d
youi - f
billlie (?/7)
Haram - c
Suhyeon -
Moon SuA -
Pink Fantasy (?/8)
Yechan - b-
Seea - c
also please tell me if I missed someone, who also should be included in the vocal line (could be a sub vocal who can support or someone who is better than the ones I mentioned)
If you ever make one video with Kpop idols can you add WJSN??
@@haneulnee9562 As my newest prediction, Haram would be C, while Suhyeon and Moon SuA would be C- (They're all at average tier)
@@yoongiinfiresme5733 yeh, I wanna add them later
Can you update New leaderboard ? Jisoo>Irene because Irene is no breth support but many people are wrong, I think Irene F and Jisoo F+
wendy and taeyeon, let's pretend we didn't expect it...
True true the queen wendy
And King taeyeon slaying as always
So are they the best female K-pop singers
@@Aria_ENCHA yes
@Gabriel Paixão exactly! it's crazy how good they are. Ailee is definitely the best female kpop vocalist, and Luna is like a tier above Taeyeon and Wendy, but wow among girl groups, the fact that there hasn't been another competent kpop vocalist like those 2 for almost 8 years is crazy, they are really impressive XD
@Gabriel Paixão Hyolyn and Uji are great vocalist as well
Imagine being the best vocalists out of 100+ idols. Taeyeon, Wendy and Mamamoo can relate
What's the song name at the Start of this video?
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@@I_love_You_And_Me_1996 aenergy by aespa i think
So popular opinión. Eunji, Día, Haena, Hyolin, Ailee, S.Williams, Uji, Sonnet, Younghyun, Haeri, Nayul kick Taeyeon and Wendy
it's such a massive flex for Aespa that their sub vocalists are on lead/main level.
Vocal talent varies greatly in Kpop. It’s not really a flex when SM trains some of the greatest vocalists.
ikr lol😝
The fact that they could only show lip synced performances for most them especially karina is kind of telling. There’s no live vocals to judge on which makes it an unfair ranking.
What's the song name at the Start of this video?
@@I_love_You_And_Me_1996 it's aespa song called AENERGY
It's amazing how all of Soshi's vocal line is in D and D+ tiers with Taeyeon above in B. SNSD really have such a strong vocal line.
What's the song name at the Start of this video?
@@I_love_You_And_Me_1996 aenergy by aespa
@@Jinsu-nnie777 thank you
1❤ 8:18 Jennie Kim Solo Black Pink X EXO Obsession 2 ❤ 8:23 Byun Baek Baekhyun Nguyễn Sỹ Toân Earth 3 ❤ 8:32 Do Kyungsoo D.O
Jeongyeon is so underrated, she has such a mature singing voice.
What's the song name at the Start of this video?
1❤ 9:38 Kim Jeongyeon 2 ❤ 9:43 Do Kyungsoo D.O 3 ❤ 9:49 Kim Jongin Kai A. Phuong Bambi 4 ❤ 10:16 Byun Baek Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân
Liz having shallow support and not even proper cord connection/muscle engagement but having the same score as seulgi who does all of those things properly is funny to me
On the first day of the premiere, it looked the same! But after the cover of IU's song and the vocals we eleven bartenders you can see that her vocals are not superficial but she is shy (and several music students said that she has a chance to become a type C vocalist - because she is in Starship and she is new)
She lacks material, shall we wait more from her?
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 its still a stretch
Right, I don't even think she has shallow support
@@RICK-jj2op definitely not C, maybe E- or E
Taeyeon is the best vocal ever. No one can touch her except Wendy. And almost all member of mamamoo are in C range 🔥🔥🔥
Ailee is from the same gen as Wendy and outsings both
@@ivy2267 Ailee isn't an idol tho, she never went under the K-pop idol trainee system. She's an amazing singer, but this discussion is for K-pop idol vocalists only
@@mariunfabregas7533 Ailee is an idol..
There are many kpop idols better than Taeyeon vocally
Luna from fx is better for example so yeah she’s still not the best. At the top for sure
0:50 Undeveloped Tier (F)
9:31 Sub-Weak Tier (F+)
13:40 Weak Tier (E)
16:45 Weak to Standard Tier (E+)
19:00 Standard Tier (D)
22:54 Standard to Capable Tier (D+)
24:25 capable Tier (C)
26:39 Competent Tier (B)
There is still Great (A) and ??? (S)
@@GuinevereYT i dont think there a A or a S yet
Very handy!
@@GuinevereYTdon’t think any kpop idols currently crack a tier and definitely not s
SM vocal lines are really something else
What's the song name at the Start of this video?
1❤ 11:57 Xiumin Kim Min Seok 2 ❤ 12:02 Byun Baek Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân 3 ❤ 12:10 Do Kyungsoo D.O 4 ❤ 12:19 Suho Kim Jung Myeon 5 ❤ 12:25 Zhang Yixing Lay Trung Quốc Obsession
Seulgi is rlly good for a lead vocal she can be main in some other groups
1❤ 13:26 Lôc Hàm Luhan Trung Quốc Obsession 2 ❤ 13:47 Byun Baek Baekhyun Nguyên Sy Toân 3 ❤ 14:39 Kim Lisa Lisalisa Solo Black Pink X EXO OVERDOSE
Wendy is the best female vocalist of our time fight me
Maybe one of but yeh, I agree with u
Solar...
@@ParkJimin-sp5kd ?
@@ParkJimin-sp5kd Oh Look, an Army, if it's a BTS Stan saesang, then I know the opinion is irrelevant, but Wendy and Solar are completely different. solar most of the time focuses on Tone, while Objectively, Wendy has the Highest and best range in Kpop. but solar is almost there since Wendy does not have the unique tone, but she is good. Solar obviously doesn't get Wendy in range but In tone, Solar takes the Kimchi. But sure
@@KimJiwonBiased solar takes kimchi...💀
I prefer jyp girl groups but I gotta admit sm artists are best trained in vocals. Thanks for making this video. Hope to see more vocal analysis related videos from you.
I'm sure at least 2/3 of SM gg have at least breath support
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 True!! And their sub vocalists are on par with some lead or even main vocalists from other non sm groups!!
Seeing snsd having 5 members above 6,9 just makes me smile.
But i still think Jessica and Seohyun ahould be a bit higher.
But nonetheless great list
^^ SNSD's vocal line is super good ^^ even Yuri and Sooyoung are good sub vocal
Seo hasn’t been as focused on her vocals as she’s pursuing her acting career and Jessica isn’t really singing these days so their technique has declined by a tad bit. Jessica is my ult bias and her chest placement used to be soo good but lately she’s regressed a little. Seohyun has too little singing to tell tho
@@joshuachhakchhuak6799 jessica recently released a single “Can’t Sleep” and Seohyun been singing medley songs ever since she signed with Namoo. You can check them out 💗 Both still showing they are exceptional vocalists
Acho possível que YonnA e Hyo tenham subido sua pontuação… a YonnA na música nova está com uma voz incrível! Aparentemente todas do Oh!GG tiveram uma melhora considerável… e Sunny ganhou mais espaço para cantar! Sunny definitivamente poderia ser uma main vocal!
He/she probably didn't choose/listen to the performances that could better showcase Jessica's and Seohyun's vocals. Around debut time, Jessica's vocals were almost on the same tier as Taeyeon's, and Seohyun progressed significantly during TTS time (the iconic “Cater to You” live)
When you thought 10 is the best point you can get
Wendy and Taeyeon: 💀
Gods
I love how you encouraged us to voice our opinions because the creators of some vocal rankings just say that they ranking and observations are the ultimate truth and everyone disagreeing is just delusional.
All of mamamoo in the top list is just giving me life, as it should be you know?
Would you consider making a videos of some of the reasons for ranking? Like flaws you found in their technique? Asking because I find this all fascinating and wish I could hear distinctions in technique :))
Seulgi is definitely on the same level as winter and jihyo.. maybe even better than some. She’s an amazing lead vocalist and can be main in most other groups if she trained more (not to mention her being one of the best dancers too)
True!
she is good at others skills but her supported range narrow for a lead vocalist.I think that's why jihyo above her.and also jihyo can easily take down winter.seulgi is look like nayeon cuz also nayeon just has Bb4 or B4 (like a paradox) supported range but she is good at other skills.like angelic and more...
@@laniakeaselena.7718 Nayeon hasn't ever had B4. Her best ever was Bb4 and it was before she regressed. She's now just (G#4/)A4
@@ckh.joseph she supported B4 at her best
@@laniakeaselena.7718 Has she? I personally hasn't seen it before. But doesn't change the fact that her actual (usual) supported range is only up to A4. After ICSM Jyp really pushed her too hard and she lost Bb4.
it's sad how the less popular groups don't have as much recognition and that the newer groups (yes I know that they need time to grow but the standard is just so low) are lacking in vocals.
-liz (ive) doesn't seem like a standard vocalist to me, especially during their encores, it's really disappointing.
-chaeyeon should be ranked higher than chareryeong?
-oh my girl seunghee should be on this list uwu
-and i don't think that jisoo(bp) and chayeon (izone), nayeon and rose should be ranked that closely
-although stayc, itzy and (g)-idle may not have the best vocalists of their generation, they keep their mics on (which i really admire)
people honestly need to stop prioritising visuals, popular groups and neglecting vocalists
and thank you for this
Liz, she may need more time to improve and show off her vocal ability. And, sorry, I may forget to put some more groups here due to the length of video (funfact: Seunghee may enter Capable tier and tied/above with Hwasa)
I agree that every idol should sing live and yup, I respect those groups who try their best to sing and dance. But lipsync is not a problem, the fact is that some groups like StayC, (G)-Idle,... don't have good technique, so if they sing live too regularly, it can damage their voice gradually (the proof is that Miyeon used to be higher, but now she's at low Weak tier)
And, yeh, thank you for your watching ^^
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 if thats the case, i think its better you not place her so high. making big estimates with vocals is not a good idea
Nayeon and rose are same level. Both have shown shallow A4s due to stylistic choice but nayeon might have more (even strained sometimes). Nayeon has sung some supported Bb4s especially in her early career and predebut. Rose also sung supported Bb4s but only in studio. But Nayeon has a more developed in lower register than rose.
@@Jack-ep7yj girl hitting notes doesn’t make you a good singer, i feel like rosé isn’t a bad vocalist, but could improve a bit in some areas of her voice
@@eirinha2287 what word in my sentence said hitting notes decides u a good singer. Y’all triggered fans always say “wow look at her hitting those high notes, main vocalist material” if u wanna praise ur fave. And then say “hitting notes doesnt make u a good singer” when someone gives criticism to ur fave. Do u understand supported range i was talking abt?
I disagree with most of your ranking, but still respect your opinion! Thanks for the vid!
Agree
The description for the standard is too vague "support well in their range " it not exactly true cause it can be only within certain limited range usually only Up Bb4 ,B4 for the higher ones
For the ranking there's some weird placements like Giselle below soo,joy and yena ,Liz is way too high ,putting her just next to seulgie who can handle G3-Bb4/B4 doesn't sounds logical ,chaehyun is also way too high.
Even at yuju worst technique state days/era she was never that low ,I already addressed that with the channels that made that statement (mainly the Vietnamese stan channels rookie 101 ,Reggie Vu, watermelon....)ppl saw it and run with it but they all retracted that cause it was just not true
Non of the standard to capable have ever showcased real resonance
Seeing Liz next to Seulgi shook me
Oh no, sorry for unclear description. Actually I don't want my channel to become vocal-channel,, I want it to be funny channel for every content, so I don't focus on description of each rank.
Anyway, Thanks for your feedback
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 SO WHY ? why doing this video when its clear you have not enough knowledge ? why replying to ppl who ask questions in this vague way ? why ranking vocalists you are not even sure about ? why ? why ? why ? .....
I am sorry but I find it very weird that you made the video in the first place and that that's your reply to criticism.
@@bigmamafan1773 So sad that my video is bllsht and also my comments
not the rookie 1O1 channel 💀💀💀
Yuju’s regression was not that bad… she’s still on par with Hwasa
exactly, her ranking is appalling
Yes she B- shes litlle regressed
prime B
Okay my babes, so here are some few corrections:
Sihyeon: ~4.1 (Weak tier)
Sooyoung: ~4.2 (Weak tier)
LiA: ~4.7 (Weak tier)
Karina: ~6.2 (Standard tier)
Yuri (ex-IZ*ONE): ~6.2-6.3 (Standard tier)
Seulgi: ~6.5-6.6 (Standard tier)
Ningning: ~8.0 (top-Standard to Capable tier)
Wheein: ~8.4 (Capable tier)
For Yuju and Liz, I will consider more in the future
yuju 8.6 capable tier, liz 4.7 low w-a
karina is kinda high for her actual skills, maybe 5.8 high w-a not yet standard for me
also wheein might be moved to low capable tier after hearing abt her regression, so 8.2
What? Ningning is better than Wheein. Wheein has regressed recently.
@@Jack-ep7yj yes
It would be great if you could make an updated version of this because some idols here have improved.
Actually, when it comes to vocal technique, it can't be based on opinion but facts because it's related to technique.
But I respect For your information, Hwasa not reaal good if compare with seohyun bcs she's just stop support in C5. Both have some resonance but, seohyun more higher in C#5. Taeyeon and wendy should have a score difference because Taeyeon is superior in the mid belt and consistent resonance in C#5/D5 and consistent support in D5/Eb5.
While I agree on your argument that it is factual based on technique, I feel whatever metric was used was heavily reliant on the ability to go higher up in pitch and belting, wish there was also observance on the ability to hit low notes with body/support.
@@seriaburns4511 agree
So what?? Wendy's upper register and agility are better than taeyons. Also evethough they both have good lows, I would say wendy is a little better. I know mixed register is the most difficult and impressive one, but you have to consider vocalist as a whole package. So imo, giving them the same score is a good choice.
@@jonasgarcia3853 ik what your mean, but that's the fact. Taeyeon is one of good agility in idol kpop, ik wendy can show complex run, but she's sometimes doesn't handle her agility while taeyeon can handle even she's show her agility.
Wendy have good lower and upper but just good, not amazing or awesome. Fyi, taeyeon as sopran good in lower, and she's top 5 headvoice among female idol vocalist.
The result, the both is a package vocalist, but wendy have wider range while taeyeon have good control and better experience..
Tbh, the both is my bias..
@@jonasgarcia3853 mixed is the most important register and takes precedent, a singer will mostly use mixed register when singing
I think Eunha should be sooooooooo much higher she has such amazing vocals this is an insult 😤
She has amazing vocals but not good skill babe. Still love her much
Sorry but eunha is a weak vocalist. She ranks in the F tier and has no support at all. She has a very pretty voice and is a good singer, but as an actual vocalist, she’s very weak
Wendy and Taeyeon on top...are we surprised
one more thing, i heard about Hyolyn is a good vocalist thanks to Queendom 2, her rank is an A, which means better than the best of this ranking (Taeyeon), how would you give her a score?
3/4 members of mamamoo are leading this♥️😇
I love nayeon voice she's so underrated 😭
Girl can sing she really have nice tone and her low voice so good
Technique wise she is really not good at all !!
@@zehrasaleem4858 He’s just praising Nayeon’s voice why do you have to comment this? And her technique is better than most idols.
@@chaeyoungslovie But not better like those above her lol, so why should she be underrated?
@@jeremym.21 Doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve praise. People can favorite whoever they want. A singer doesn’t need to be Hyolyn level to be praised. And Nayeon is overhated and under appreciated by Kpop stan and the only attention she gets for her singing is hate for getting a lot of lines.
@@chaeyoungslovie your right, I'm happy with nayeons voice and her tone is often really nice, but I jumped in, as in this comment,she was called underrated. Thats a red flag for me. Everyone today talks about Blackpink and twice in there list and say they are the best. Thats totally fine if its just opinion, but people often forget the really good trained Idols, because they are not their Generation or not that succsessfull as other groups and nayeon is not underrated in that term. She gets a lot of praise and sadly lot of hate too
in my view Taeyeon is higher point than Wendy a little bit at 10.9 or 10.10 cuz the way Taeyeon expresses emotion
mmmmmm I actually agree with them being tied, including with emotional expression. Both of their voices have brought tears to my eyes.
Exactly, taeyeon most consistent in mid belt and her resonance so big and dark. That's it little bit better than wendy.
@@onlyforyou6363 mmmm but i think wendy’s technique, versatility, and agility ties them 🤷🏽♀️
@@cc0241 ye ofc. But tae more better in resonance. And u must know, taeyeon is have the bigger resonance among female idol for main vocalist in group. Even hyolyn not good in resonance as taeyeon.
Well actually im not sure taeyeon has ever supporred an eb5 while wendy has. Also to put into consideration that wendy has a more developed lower and upper register
this is wrong. nayeon, rosé & karina are ALL d+ … jo yuri is c & lia is d-
JAJAJAJJAJA no
@@gustavocampos5544 yes.
Hello, could you please make one for male version
Yessss, vocal queen is TAEYEON!!
I agree with pretty much all of these, except Moonbyul and Seulgi definitely place a lot higher than they alr are... like Moonbyul is at least a D+ in my opinion, near the same tier as Hwasa (a little lower)
I would def like to correct a few things
Yuju despite regressing is still a B- tier vocalist she still supports up to C#5 but lost her resonance but she’s def way above than a lot of vocalists you put above her. She has the same supported range as before but no resonance that’s it. Her rank is still like 9/10.
Heejin, Sinb, Yerin, Mina, and Chaeyoung def in E/E+ tier and Chaewon should be moved down. All these vocalists have shown varying degrees of support even though it’s shallow. Also Yves isn’t that much better than Heejin yet you put her in a tier above her but really the two are the same level with Yves being better by just a bit.
And HaSuel is definitely not on the same level as Nayeon or Rose’ bc Hasuel while having a great head voice, her mix is very thin and shallow and her support in that area is worse than Heejin’s and Yves’s. If you didn’t include her head voice and only her she would be below Mina and Chaeyoung tbh. Nayeon may get shallow around A4/Bb4 but she has way better grasp of support in her mix and lows overall than Hasuel.
Also I have a question, are these numbers ratings out of 10?
Okay so thanks for your feedback, I will appreciate it, however I will consider more in the future, esp for many vocalist that everyone easily think they have support but actually not (Heejin, SinB, Chaeyoung,... yes, they have breath support, but not full support) besides, Haseul is not that bad, she's still can be top of Weak tier or at least mid-Weak.
And, yep, not out of 10, but 16. I will post new video for more explanations. btw thanks for your effort in correcting my rank
I'd put yerin, mina, haseul, heejin, chaeyoung, sinb in E and nayeon D-
and I don't think she would be below mina and chaeyoung tbh
@@paledangels nayeon is d+
@@jayb1076 D+ is high w-a, i wouldn't put her that high tbh. mid W-A at best for her
2nd gen main vocal: Taeyeon
3rd gen main vocal: Wendy
4th gen main vocal: Lily M
@Gabriel Paixão Lily's legato ended nayul with ease no cap
Just a question! Did you only rank them via their supported range? A lot of the reasonings in the video and title would imply that you only ranked them with their range and there are a lot of amazing singers with pretty bad range and a lot of bad singers with good range, just a question though i don't mesn any offense :)).
Not really, because in pop singing, mixed range is the most important criterion to rank them, so supported range may be the most crucial one to rank. And this video is only about technique, so another side like musicality, voice, tone,... wouldn't be included.
I can take an example like Siyeon from Dreamcatcher, she has kinda undeveloped skill and often uses her stylistic voice. However, her voice is good and very suitable for the concept DC follows (Rock style with dark/horror concept), so she's a good Kpop-idol singer, but not a good vocalist.
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 you should put it as a disclaimer or in the title then ;) At first I thought it was only me who thought this ranking was confusing, but seeing the comments, it’s mixed with a lot of discrepancies. Also put into consideration, live vocals, stability, agility, versatility, enunciation, consistency, etc.
But still good job.
Jihyo over Yuju??? Never... This list is a joke
Yuju has regressed lately
@@diosbatagoli458 yeah but that doesnt make jihyo above her
@@diosbatagoli458 jihyo also regressed
Alot of things I dont agree with but hey great video
OMG how you get here ^^ Love every single of your videos babe ^^
I just founded this channel and, you may not know that I just make video for... fun ^^ yah, 'cause I love music and KPOP so much
So sorry if anything got wrong
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 it’s fine it’s a long video where u worked on and u deserve every view we have different opinions so it’s no facts❤️
Thanks for supporting me and i will support you 2.
@@izonexbae Idooool haha
Best vocals snsd
All group sm entertainment best vocals
I believe that if some Loona members were trained in SM (Haseul, Jinsoul. Kim Lip, Heejin and Yves) they could really improve their vocals even tho they are already good.
I can't accept having Moonbyul that low... 2 years ago she didn't had the chance to express her vocal abilities that much but tier F... That's a bit much... Today with her solo album she showed she should be higher. or me she could be place in the tier D ou D+.
I miss to hear Soojin's heavenly voice
Same😭
same
Listen to agassy
@shivam0.0 ofc i already did 🤭
1:54 Lisa Blackpink : 2,3
2:49 Bahiyyih : 2,6
3:09 Ryujin : 2,6
9:07 Jisso : 3
12:40 Jennie : 3,9
15:07 Giselle : 4,4
18:12 Rose : 5,6
18:42 Karina : 6
21:51 Winter : 6,9
23:57 Ningning : 7,9
Apink, G-idle and oh my Girl should be on this List too…
G-idle is there
MAMAMOO BEST VOCAL GROUP
Be realistic, SNSD has an advantage
@@gfgggfggf4375 no lmao
@@aellahnjungThere is a far greater advantage, but this comparison is false.
@@gfgggfggf4375 it’s really not lmao there’s only about two ppl in snsd that can really blow
@@aellahnjung Taeyeon Seohyun Jessica and Tiffany They can break the main voice of MAMAMO by real mail
I think nayeon might be over ROSE ( no hate ) cuz I don't like rose's mixed and upper register and they are not relaxed and quality is like not okay for me.just my opinion.thank you.
This is not a critique of the ranking itself, as I'm sure you considered more than just one video/recordjng per person, but it would seem more objective if you showed them all performing under similar circumstances, I think. Like, I think the video of Shuhua for example showed her sitting at a table half bent over doing idk what and just lightly singing along to a bp-song, the vid of Yujin had her performing a taxing dance routine while singing live, and many videos clearly didn't feature raw live vocals - again, I'm sure you didn't just go off of one video per person, but the presentation makes it harder to understand the ranking.
Thank you, my babe. I just use random video of their singing to show their appearance to viewers ^^ maybe there will be analysis video in the future...
Yeah and I'm surprised when Sana is on tier F+ leaving other better vocalists behind
@@yenahappyvirus3819 It's not surprised babe, rewatch her More & More stage, even her C5 has better placement than Jihyo lol. She's actually a good sub vocalist, at least she has okay placement with some (maybe little) sense of breath support so yeh, she deserved F+
i disagree with how low moonbyul is, i think she was underdeveloped compared to her peers in mamamoo bc the company discouraged her singing, but she has a lovely tone and has improved a lot as she’s expanded her solo discovery. she’s even competing on second world, a show where rappers will demonstrate their vocal abilities.
I think Tiffany has improved a lot this past years, she should be higher, closer to Seohyun's level
No shes not seo jesica level
Seo jes away better technique than tifanny this list not acutation
okay, but Jeong Eunji not being in here is very veery surprising, but anyways great video!
Yea she'd be in between Wendy & Taeyeon though :D
Why are y'all always downgrading yuju?
She's still above average.
i know for the undeveloped tier, it was hard to rank them correctly, but bahiyyih is better than xiaoting a little bit, even xiaoting's vocal range is wider than bahiyyih, bahiyyih stamina is better than xiaoting (as you said this tier by stamina). not because of post-covid-19 result, her voice crack and poor breath control. i would give xiaoting 2.6 bahiyyih 2.7 yeseo 2.7 and dayeon 2.9
Yes, there are a lot of discrepancies in this video...
Bayyihih was the Top 3 in Kep1er actually
@@SakusaHusband i donno, but i sure that dayeon, mashiro, youngeun, yujin, and of course chaehyun are better, maybe she is top 6 or 7 something. she is absolutely better than xiaoting and hikaru.
Not really She have shown relaxed Up to G#4 She's Also the most less tense In singing And She have better mix voices than chaehyun
the moas are back at it again
I've always wanted something like this before
just read the title and i already now who's the no 1.
Two of our queens 😽😽
MOONBYUL IN UNDEVELOPED TIER??? You're joking.
Hi! I hope that you are thinking of doing part 2! If you are, I would love to see the ex-ioi members (Or at least the ones that are still active), Dreamcatcher, NIMXX, and soon-to-be-debuting LE SSERAFIM (Which I hope includes a positive change for Chaewon and Sakura... hoping that HYBE trained them)
the reason seulgi is so high for a lead vocalist is because she was trained to be the main vocal of red velvet... until a certain someone came around. Th rest is history
Until a certain someone came ? Her name is Wendy, the best vocalist of 3rd gen
Minnie support A3-G#4 occasionally, she's the best pitch and upper register in (G)I-DLE despite being stylistic her range usually Always grounded potential to support
Actually Minnie has sense of breath support and placement, but she haven't supported yet, however. But I agree with you, her vocal is one of my favorite in Kpop (Lion's high note still
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 i doubt if she can support now but now I believe she can
17:05 ua-cam.com/video/p2UeSrQHn_c/v-deo.html 🤷🏽♂️
@@muhammadedris6026 hmm, I don't think so babe
She's not even near supporting any of her register, she doesn't even have the best pitch.
@@paledangels She never had a problem with harmonization, best pitch in the group
15:29 can someone give me link on this fantastic perfomance?
Sorry for 5 months late 😅 , but here u go ua-cam.com/video/hjQpMWB-rz0/v-deo.html
The gap between chaehyun and the rest of kep1er is that faaaaarrrrrr.
Chaehyun is the only true vocalist tbh
Only Chaehyun has support :(
Chaehyun is the only one who has decent vocal training, because it's her specialty and also because she's a former SM trainee, the other 8 had training focused on dance
The fact that a group of four occupies three of the spots in the top five
Even though I disagree with 3/4 of the videos I respect your opinion
Thank u babe, it's not always true
Why is liz better than nayeon,yuri,jeongyeon??
Hey my babes, may I have your recommendation? What groups should I rank next?
Ranking boy group ?
Fromis_9 and Classy (group formed by mtg)
What do you mean by 'support'?
Maybe dreamcatcher and PinkFantasy
weeekly and nmixx :)
i hope u made this again since there are couple of groups im quite curious (lesserafim, newjeans, nmixx) 😅
Wheein’s voice is magic
Incorrect info..Tzuyu is above Sana.. She's into fairly relaxed tone and is close to support when observed in live vocals.. Moreover, she doesn't make her voice so unstable like Sana. This's actually misleading as Tzuyu's development is rapid and very soon she would enter the supporting category in TWICE.
this was an old video tho
i honestly disagree with Liz and chaehyun being above Jeongyeon. but this is your opinion so I respect it
Not too sure about Liz but chaehyun is definitely above jeongyeon. She supports better. Supported ranges:
Jeongyeon: A3-A4/Bb4 (D+ tier)
Chaehyun: A3/Bb3-Bb4/B4 (C tier)
It would be better if you could be clearer. Also I think that you could do a top 15 or 10 but with deep analysis, because some of this ranking seem to be VERY wrong and can annoy fans.
A good amount of vocalists here are ranked either too high or too low lmao.
Mee too. Especially seeing seulgi next to Liz and having same point shook me.
And also sunny being a high Average with that light mix.....
I am just curious on how Karina got up this high and higher than ROSE and NAYEON
Just curious...
i think yuju is better than winter :/
as well as seulgi and jihyo
@@astryclifford5121 Yuju has regressed, it's pity. I have replied a comment below about Yuju's vocal now. Btw hope she will get her prime again ^^
well you think wrong
@@saulcarrion7894 nah
@Soggy bread ???
I think hyoyeon deserve better in this rank 😅
lmao this is not it.
How come eunha could be so far away below nayeon and jungyeon?? How can you analyze their support when nayeon and jungyeoan barely singing their high notes LIVE? Eunha did pretty cool with her high notes in encore stage without any backing track. She hit F5 in sunrise LIVE while nayeon often avoided her high notes in can't stop me encore stages.
And then Yuju is below Jihyo? it's not right. Yuju's resonant is always there, and she got a very good agility that you will rarely see it in Jihyo. Yuju should be on a par with Solar.
Then Solar is a mamamoo's main vocalist for a reason. Her support and resonant is better than wheein, it is very recognizeable. Wheein tends to sound more shallow and airy but she has a pretty good agility and style in singing.
For Tiffany, after she ventured and toured the US and then do chicago musical in korea, her technique becomes more matured. She knows how to produce her voice well and her texture is richer now, aged like a fine wine, I think she should be higher than Sunny now. Sunny is rarely seen in the musical scene if it's not with SNSD, and her voice is not change a lot since snsd days. Yes, she has a really high voice and light that makes it seem so easy to hit high notes, but if you dive deeper to her live singing, she tends to sing flat/sharp or pitchy, esp. in the end of a note. That's why I think Tiffany should be higher than sunny.
And for you who put 4th gen vocalist really high in the rank like chaeyeong from keppler, I think we need to see her more LIVE performances since nowadays music shows are all pre-recorded and or they're just lip-sync it.
Theres no shot yoona is ranked higher than moonbyul...yoona is awesome and so funny on variety shows.... but VOCAL ranking? There has to be something i missed
Algunas personas dicen que Jisoo no tiene habilidades para el canto ni para rapear pero yo creo que se ha esforzado mucho y para mí canta genial
I seen Monday at your D+tier's cover but you forgot to put her in any tiers.
Update (without SNSD, because I'm not familiar with them)
Proficient Tier:
Wendy (RED VELVET)
Above Average to Proficient:
Above Average:
Solar (MAMAMOO)
Yuju (GFRIEND)
Average to Above Average:
Wheein (MAMAMOO) [Regressed]
Hwasa (MAMAMOO) [Regressed]
Ningning (AESPA)
Average:
Seulgi (RED VELVET) [Improved]
Winter (AESPA)
Yuri (IZ*ONE) [Improved]
Jihyo (TWICE)
Chaehyun (KEP1ER)
Weak to Average:
Yves (LOONA) [Improved]
Jeongyeon (TWICE) [Reevaluated]
Karina (AESPA)
Giselle (AESPA) [Improved]
Nayeon (TWICE) [Improved]
HeeJin (LOONA) [Improved]
Miyeon ((G)I-DLE) [Improved]
Chuu (LOONA) [Reevaluated]
Rose (BLACKPINK) [Improved]
Liz (IVE) [Reevaluated]
Weak:
Lia (ITZY)
Yuqi ((G)I-DLE) [Improved]
Chaewon (IZ*ONE) [Improved]
Yena (IZ*ONE)
Kim Lip (LOONA) [Reevaluated]
Sihyeon (EVERGLOW)
Joy (RED VELVET)
HaSeul (LOONA) [Reevaluated]
Yerim (GFRIEND) [Reevaluated]
Chaeyoung (TWICE)
Underdeveloped: (Sub-Weak)
Mia (EVERGLOW) [Reevaluated]
Sieun (STAYC) [Reevaluated]
Isa (STAYC) [Reevaluated]
Yujin (IVE)
SinB (GFRIEND/VIVIZ)
Yeji (ITZY) [Improved]
Jennie (BLACKPINK)
Mina (TWICE)
Yoon (STAYC) [Reevaluated]
Minnie ((G)I-DLE)
Eunbi (IZ*ONE) [Regressed]
JinSoul (LOONA)
Choerry (LOONA)
Eunha (GFRIEND/VIVIZ)
Chaeyeon (IZ*ONE)
Dayeon (KEP1ER) [Improved]
Undeveloped/Non-Vocalist: (Underdeveloped)
The Rest
Can you add yechan and Nayul, their vocal also so great
Yechan would be on low-Capable tier (>~ Ningning) and Nayul can be on Capable to Competent tier, their vocal are so great and easily be top of gen 4
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 So can nayul be higher than Wendy?
@@joannaeyong8199 No my babe, Wendy is solid-Competent Vocalist. Even she has regressed a bit due to her health problem, she's still better vocalist than Nayul
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 She did not regress a slight bit ... she is the same as she always was.
@@bigmamafan1773 she has, just a little bit
i thought Karina has support? and she is below Liz that has none and at most, relaxed?
shes better than liz. this video is inaccurate
What a ridiculous list! I can see which group is your favorite :)
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Try with korean soloist and korean non pop vocalist because i want to see SoHyang ranking
I think Karina could be higher, maybe she can enter Standard tier :o
Yuh, I may consider to rank her higher, she may sustain supporting Bb4 and have some nice B4 too ^^
@Soggy bread no, Hyojung is a weak vocalist, her support is weak and even she couldn't enter Weak to Standard tier
@@tienle_nulosa Doesn't Hyojung consistently support up to A4/Bb4? Her A4s sound supported to me, albeit heady, nasal and a bit throaty. I personally consider her as low standard / Weak to Standard.
@@tienle_nulosa
Actually Hyojung is more solid in her mix compared to Nayeon I'd say. She's a solid substandard to standard tier.
SNSD Mamamoo Red Velvet Gfriend Twice Blackpink Aespa
• Proficient
Taeyeon/Prime (G3~D5/Eb5~G5)
Wendy (F#3~D5~A5)
• AA to Proficient
Yuju/Prime (A3~C#5~F5)
Taeyeon (G3~C#5/D5~G5)
• Above Average
Solar (G#3~C#5)
Wheein/Prime (G#3~C5/C#5)
Yuju (G3~C5/C#5~F#5)
Hwasa/Prime (A3~C5)
Seohyun (G3/G#3~C5/C#5~E5)
• A to AA
Jessica (F#3/G3~C5)
Wheein (G#3~B4/C5)
Hwasa (A3/Bb3~B4)
Ningning (F#3/G3~C5)
Sunny/Prime (Bb3/B3~B4/C5~F#5/G5)
• Average
Tiffany (F#3/G3~B4~E5)
Seulgi (G3~B4~D5/Eb5)
Winter (A3~Bb4/B4)
Jihyo (G#3~Bb4/B4)
Sunny (Bb3~Bb4/Bb4~E5/F5)
Jeongyeon/Prime (A3/Bb3~Bb4)
• Weak to Average
Jeongyeon (Bb3~A4/Bb4)
Karina (G#3~A4/Bb4)
Giselle (G#3/A3~A4/Bb4)
Nayeon (G#3~A4/Bb4)
Rose (A3~A4/Bb4)
Yuri (A3~A4/Bb4)
Moonbyul (G3/G#3~G4/G#4)
Joy (A3/Bb3~G#4/A4)
Correct Seulgi High Average par to tiffanny
Wendy low B Current
Taeyeon mid/ Hig B Current
@@LuisPandiangan-fb8vn i'm so sorry, thankyou for the correction, i would update this list
• Tiffany>Seulgi, both at high A but Tiffany has better moment up to B4 recently on her "chicago musical" (?), Also tiffany has slightly better hv than seulgi, eventhough on lower register they just on par, seulgi has the fullness down to G3 and below that tiffany has pretty better placement
• Taeyeon may regress her resonance due to her "lazy" or even lipsync, some of her D5's are questionable, i'm agree to put her on AA~P, but trust me that Tae will back on her Proficient era as soon as she put much effort especially to produce resonance just like on her prime era
• I don't want to say anything about Wendy :(
All of itzy and nayeon are way too low.. Most of this is wrong...
I disagree, nayeons technique is not exactly the best. Itzy's vocals aren't the best either. But i don't think that matters for both Itzy and TWICE since vocals aren't the main point of those groups lol.
@@Vermillion808 then what is the main point of twice?
@@Vermillion808 nayeon technique it’s better than rose. So well at least above rose she is
@@mariaEduarda-rz6mb nope on kva system Rosé is C and Nayeon is D+ stop underrating Rosé only cause she doesn't show her potential on blackpink songs, listen her vocals on dynamic duo
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I think yeseo's vocals are better than xioting
Hmm, actually the undeveloped tier, yup, they have quite same ability in vocal, so you can rank them in any order. In my opinion, Xiaoting is still better than Yeseo, just a little bit, 'cause her breath control is okey. Same with Yujin and Dayeon, while Dayeon has good breath control, Yujin may have better technique.
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 hmm your right besides everyone have their own opinion and about breath control I guess your right
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 Hey I’m so sorry to be that person but for Kep1er, all of them except Chaehyun is underdeveloped but Bahiyyih is actually the second best vocalist in the group; she showed the most grounded moments and less nasality than the rest like Younguen, Yeseo, Yujin, Mashiro sing very bright light tight and thin so Bahiyyih could’ve been in subweak tier.
@@chaeyoungslovie Bahi was either 3rd Because Youngeun has shown relaxed A4 but is interchangeable
i always thought that Miyeon is a better singer than Rose
She is above this ranking don't make any sens
@@NingKook_ for real, she’s at least D tier and has better control than Rose
This ranking is outdated
@@bangtan_lover1265 yep Both are weak-average but Miyeon is definitely above
I’m not familiar with StayC but that clip of J singing(?) hurts my throat like wtf, is that how she really sings?????
She lowers her larynx too much, and it would harm her voice if she don't stop. It may be unique, but not good for health.
As now she starts to sing in her natural voice, I prefer her natural voice too
Hello, if taylor were kpop idol which rank should be given to her?
Id put her in underdeveloped lol
@@Vermillion808 imo she has a great natural sense of breath control, you can see how she can sustained the note long with no strains(up to B4 she loses balance and leading her to strains tho) she also has supported low not in her recent perfomance(Lover Perfomance precisely) and great dynamic&transition between head to chest and vice versa, i would say she's on Nayeon/Jeongyeon Level maybe?
@@diosbatagoli458 that isn't exactly the best comparison because both Nayeon and jeongyeon aren't exactly the most developed plus Nayeon is uncontrollably nasal almost
maybe c- or c+
this list has a lot of mistakes... Jisoo can support G3-G#4 but is lower than Jennie that can't support any note...
No babe, Jisoo even doesn't have breath support, while Jennie has, also, can u send the video that Jisoo supported?
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 listen to yuki no hana, and i was wrong, her supported range is Eb3-G3 (shallow)
Sorry but jisoo can’t support at all. Jennie is better technically, and she actually shows potential to support while jisoo does not
Jennie can support, she is now a E tier Vocalist, while Jisoo can't but she definitely improved a lot.
Hello sry but for your information
Giselle is D+ higher
And karina is D+or C- something
there's no dreamcatcher, but i'm really interested how would you rank them
Due to limit of the video my babe.
Do u wanna know the ranking now or next video babe?
@@thisiztaylordsworld6176 i'm good with whatever you're convenient babe
yooyeon is most likely standard
Yoohyeon is around Nayeon’s level
Sorry, but i kinda disagree with Wendy being below Taeyeon. Big fans of both, but wendy's vocals and range is actually larger than Taeyeon's, she struggles way less with belting the extreme high ranges than Taeyeon.
Sana is not higher than Eunha, Yerin, Sihyeon, Sieun, Yoon, Isa, Youngeun, and some others below her. I'm not a professional but Sana is kinda nasal and she doesn't have good technique.
Eunha and youngeun does not have good technique too..
Yea Sana is in the F tier. She's not even that close to supporting at all lmao.
@@KittyTsundere isn't tzuyu a better vocalist than her too 😭
@@moo3814 Yes lmao. Tzuyu can sing in a more relaxed and open approach with better placement and is closer to supporting than Sana when she is not too throaty lmao.
If you ever remake this add luna from fx