I've been beating myself about the head and shoulders with the 15lb club for 5 days now, and I finally got something resembling a full speed reverse mill. I'm so close to the regular mill that I can taste it. Btw regardless of the different qs people give, whenever I do a dubble clean, I almost launch the kettlebells over my shoulders. I also can't figure out how to not go frog my knees a little when they go down/back between my legs.
I don't want to disparage kettlebells, I myself use them for swings (two kettlebells) and deadlifts (two kettlebells), but I think that practically all pressing exercises performed with kettlebells are equally replaceable with one-handed dumbbells, in case we do not use a "palm" grip (holding the bottom of the kettlebell with the palm) or "bottom up" grip. The grip of the kettlebell, where the body of the kettlebell presses on the forearm, is about as "natural" as the classic one-armed hold... WITH THE DIFFERENCE that practicing pressure and snatch (etc) exercises with one-armed hands at least does not crush the forearm. If someone thinks that it's natural to have a toned forearm by crushing iron, then let them try to lift anything in nature, and they will suddenly find out that the kettlebell is really not so natural if it is used for push-ups, snatches and the like with a "classic" grip . For example, what I don't understand is that Mark protects his knee when kneeling (eg half-knee) but not his forearm bone? Why? Is it a little "manly"? NOT. IT IS RATIONAL. No lifted objects in nature will cause you bruises, abrasions on the bones of the forearm. Because none are reshaped and lifted in this stupid way.
It sounds like you might benefit from practicing your kettlebell grip techniques. Holding a kettlebell overhead or racked with a barbell/dumbbell grip will put more pressure on the wrist like you said. But a proper diagonal kettlebell grip produces little wrist pressure unless we are talking heavy weights. I do lots of 48kg cleans and 32 jerks with no more pressure on the back of my wrist than in my daily job tasks. For most body types, competition bells are likely more ergonomic than cast iron. And prokettlebells and rogue competition fitness bells and some older federenkos have flattened wrist spots that could help. Also, competition lifters who clean and jerk or snatch hundreds of times daily often wear wrist sweat bands and sometimes wrist guards.
Check out the strongfirst article....by Scott Lardella....as a counter to your perspective .. the-3-key-distinctions-of-the-kettlebell-press/ Most convincing for me is the argument that the kb puts the shoulder naturally in a favourable position for pressing.
@lihchong2267 what about kb tgus? This guy does not know what he's talking about. It's puzzling because he uses kettlebells and has some positive things to say. It's clearly a lack of understanding, some feedback / argument would be appreciated, after being challenged and called out, like I'm wrong constantly on shit, so there's that, argue your case, why kbs are a bad press option.....put up
@@cioran1754 kettlebells have multiple points of contact, so there's no reliance on a crush grip. I can do a getup with an open hand as long as I can keep my wrist straight. With a dumbbell, all I got is the crush grip - if that fails, I'm dead.
Just did 5 sets of 5 with 2 25lb KBs which isn't too challenging for me but still a good workout. I did bang my left thumb on the first DB clean and thought, : "he told you" LOL. I may have to get your adjustable set because jumping from my 25s to my 35s may be a step too far for me. Great exercise to complement my running progress and everything else, I am sure...THANKS Mr. Wildman
That's kinda the exception that proves the rule considering how the only other animals (that I'm aware of) that can throw like humans are the species we're most closely related to
Good workout. However, I feel it’s perhaps better to separate the squat and the press parts of this workout, since the weights won’t be heavy enough for the squat that also allow for the press. Perhaps a ladder workout which does heavier KB front squat followed immediately by clean and press which will be lighter, but still maximized weight. This way, the body is hit with the perfect about of resistance for each lift.
Why does the ABC get such acclaim? [ I know why ! It's a setup smuck ], over just strength based clean + thruster ( nothing wrong, lovely moves ), highlighted here. The overhead press must be the theoretical limiting factor for ABC format, hence the 1 press per round ( with 2 cleans + 3 squats ). Let's assume that it was found organically, over time/reps that to push the EMOM format, for given weight, the press needed to be managed. Is the ABC really an ideal ratio of clean - press - squat, or what , yo ? These are very different ways of programming these 3 × kb moves [ clean squat press ], monster combos, which is fun, but also a confusing area still... Maybe, and given Mark's 'math' angle, there should be an attempt to categorise these various monster lifts, and their variations. ( strength ; strength-endurance; ....) It'll never be perfect, but no better man to put a wrapper on it, ok good luck... Answers on a postcard....
if training w/ an adjustable KB for strength - do you mean to increase every set or only on the next training day? If every set, how much time between sets?
Franco Columbo, at 5ft 5" and 185lbs would Barbell power clean to front squat to overhead press with 315 lbs. Columbo could squat clean and jerk 400 lbs.
"Columbu ate a hearty but healthy breakfast each morning. For protein, he would include four fresh eggs cooked in various styles. He supplemented this with homemade yogurt, plain and made with raw milk, with added granola cereal. Columbu also included fruit with his breakfast, either with fresh in-season fruit or a glass of orange 🍊 "
I like this channel so much I watched a Vshred ad followed by a ka'chava ad, two things I'd never spend money on LOL
That is a level of dedication that requires acknowledgment
Thanks Mark, it's my favourite 3 move combo
I like to program this is as pyramids with a rest in between (heavy, low reps), or supersetted with pullups (light, high reps)...
I've been beating myself about the head and shoulders with the 15lb club for 5 days now, and I finally got something resembling a full speed reverse mill. I'm so close to the regular mill that I can taste it. Btw regardless of the different qs people give, whenever I do a dubble clean, I almost launch the kettlebells over my shoulders. I also can't figure out how to not go frog my knees a little when they go down/back between my legs.
Just 50,000 more reps and you’ll have it
@@MarkWildman you bet.
Awesome
You should do seminars in Germany
Wäre dabei ✌️
The same exact thing can be done with dumbbells.
I don't want to disparage kettlebells, I myself use them for swings (two kettlebells) and deadlifts (two kettlebells), but I think that practically all pressing exercises performed with kettlebells are equally replaceable with one-handed dumbbells, in case we do not use a "palm" grip (holding the bottom of the kettlebell with the palm) or "bottom up" grip. The grip of the kettlebell, where the body of the kettlebell presses on the forearm, is about as "natural" as the classic one-armed hold... WITH THE DIFFERENCE that practicing pressure and snatch (etc) exercises with one-armed hands at least does not crush the forearm. If someone thinks that it's natural to have a toned forearm by crushing iron, then let them try to lift anything in nature, and they will suddenly find out that the kettlebell is really not so natural if it is used for push-ups, snatches and the like with a "classic" grip .
For example, what I don't understand is that Mark protects his knee when kneeling (eg half-knee) but not his forearm bone? Why? Is it a little "manly"? NOT. IT IS RATIONAL. No lifted objects in nature will cause you bruises, abrasions on the bones of the forearm. Because none are reshaped and lifted in this stupid way.
It sounds like you might benefit from practicing your kettlebell grip techniques. Holding a kettlebell overhead or racked with a barbell/dumbbell grip will put more pressure on the wrist like you said. But a proper diagonal kettlebell grip produces little wrist pressure unless we are talking heavy weights. I do lots of 48kg cleans and 32 jerks with no more pressure on the back of my wrist than in my daily job tasks. For most body types, competition bells are likely more ergonomic than cast iron. And prokettlebells and rogue competition fitness bells and some older federenkos have flattened wrist spots that could help. Also, competition lifters who clean and jerk or snatch hundreds of times daily often wear wrist sweat bands and sometimes wrist guards.
Check out the strongfirst article....by Scott Lardella....as a counter to your perspective
..
the-3-key-distinctions-of-the-kettlebell-press/
Most convincing for me is the argument that the kb puts the shoulder naturally in a favourable position for pressing.
I don't know about you, but when I do dumbbell Turkish get ups I'm terrified of dropping the weight on my face.
@lihchong2267 what about kb tgus? This guy does not know what he's talking about. It's puzzling because he uses kettlebells and has some positive things to say. It's clearly a lack of understanding, some feedback / argument would be appreciated, after being challenged and called out, like I'm wrong constantly on shit, so there's that, argue your case, why kbs are a bad press option.....put up
@@cioran1754 kettlebells have multiple points of contact, so there's no reliance on a crush grip. I can do a getup with an open hand as long as I can keep my wrist straight.
With a dumbbell, all I got is the crush grip - if that fails, I'm dead.
If you sing head, shoulders, knees, and toes (knees and toes). It works. Doesn't line up, but it is rhythmic.
😂
Just did 5 sets of 5 with 2 25lb KBs which isn't too challenging for me but still a good workout. I did bang my left thumb on the first DB clean and thought, : "he told you" LOL. I may have to get your adjustable set because jumping from my 25s to my 35s may be a step too far for me. Great exercise to complement my running progress and everything else, I am sure...THANKS Mr. Wildman
As a KB instructor myself, this guy's demos are among the best. Every time.
I need another kettlebell and a Bronco
At 7:50, my dude says humans are the only animal that throws, but I think lots of other primates throw too. Monkeys are notorious poop flingers.
That's kinda the exception that proves the rule considering how the only other animals (that I'm aware of) that can throw like humans are the species we're most closely related to
Good workout. However, I feel it’s perhaps better to separate the squat and the press parts of this workout, since the weights won’t be heavy enough for the squat that also allow for the press.
Perhaps a ladder workout which does heavier KB front squat followed immediately by clean and press which will be lighter, but still maximized weight. This way, the body is hit with the perfect about of resistance for each lift.
I just do one full squat after the clean, then another squat before the press. That way I'm doing 2 squats for every clean and press.
Excelente. Siempre. Gracias.
I'm wondering... do you know how to use a sling? Like the one David used vs Goliath. Probably the most effective throwing weapon ever.
I intended on making one, but got busy with other stuff. Plenty of good tutorial videos available. Looks really fun.
Yes, I have one in my bag at all times
I could definitely be better
Why does the ABC get such acclaim? [ I know why ! It's a setup smuck ], over just strength based clean + thruster ( nothing wrong, lovely moves ), highlighted here.
The overhead press must be the theoretical limiting factor for ABC format, hence the 1 press per round ( with 2 cleans + 3 squats ). Let's assume that it was found organically, over time/reps that to push the EMOM format, for given weight, the press needed to be managed.
Is the ABC really an ideal ratio of clean - press - squat, or what , yo ?
These are very different ways of programming these 3 × kb moves [ clean squat press ], monster combos, which is fun, but also a confusing area still...
Maybe, and given Mark's 'math' angle, there should be an attempt to categorise these various monster lifts, and their variations. ( strength ; strength-endurance; ....)
It'll never be perfect, but no better man to put a wrapper on it, ok good luck...
Answers on a postcard....
Very usefull video, thanks for this!!!
Thank you for sharing. Great teaching very helpful.
if training w/ an adjustable KB for strength - do you mean to increase every set or only on the next training day? If every set, how much time between sets?
Exceptional exercise descriptions.
Outstanding Mark(and upstanding with a clean swing and squat) 😅
I wish the Bronco was released in the UK 😢
Thanks sir.
Excellent !
Are you doing the press part like a thruster? Or you stop and do strict press?
He did both strict press and push press in this vid. Both are great exercises.
There was some glossing happening, I saw it
They stopped bronco production. Legal said it was the most unsafe truck in NHTSA testing. Reliability as well.
Whenever I hear bronco I think of a Heisman trophy winner that has just rage murdered his wife and a waiter, blasting down the freeway
@@cioran1754 yeah and he lives in Vegas now.
American trucks are so ridiculous, wasteful, inefficient design, overpriced death machines. It makes perfect sense why Americans love them.
Next level: Double KB Snatch into Squat Press!
Brutal
@@MarkWildman totally! I've been playing around with it in combination with a burpee. So Burpee into Snatch into Squat Press. It's annihilating!
Double KB Snatch ---> overhead squat ---> double Sotts press ----> thruster
Oh lord
@@cioran1754 I had to look up the Sots Press first. Never heard of it before. Will have to try it out!
It's thrusters!!!!
Franco Columbo, at 5ft 5" and 185lbs would Barbell power clean to front squat to overhead press with 315 lbs.
Columbo could squat clean and jerk 400 lbs.
Colombo 5 ft 6" , glass eye, mac, solved some tricky cases 😅
He was extremely strong but he also used steroids
@@jonklein7130 Steroids were legal in his era.
"Columbu ate a hearty but healthy breakfast each morning. For protein, he would include four fresh eggs cooked in various styles. He supplemented this with homemade yogurt, plain and made with raw milk, with added granola cereal. Columbu also included fruit with his breakfast, either with fresh in-season fruit or a glass of orange 🍊 "
He was one of the greats.