Macs to Get AI-Focused M4 Chips Starting in Late 2024
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2024
- Apple will begin updating its Mac lineup with M4 chips in late 2024, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. The M4 chip will be focused on improving performance for artificial intelligence capabilities.
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Customers: We want more ram & storage at cheaper prices.
Apple: We heard you…AI processors with 8gb & 256gb.
sounds disgusting
Apple doesn’t exist to serve customers needs. Try to understand capitalism.
you're not gonna get it because whatever Apple gives to you guys, you'd swallow and argue in their favor
But the new chips will trawl the internet and steal content for you and pass it off as "AI". 8GB is more than enough to steal other peoples work, and if not you're holding it wrong ! 🤣
Yall may be underestimating AI in the long run. Apple has been going on a down hill trend since they've been neglecting AI. They seem to be interested in not only AI, but robots lol
Apple really needs to slow down with chip updates. At least make it 2 years apart and not one year.
They cannot make everyone happy. Customers can skip releases, developers can wait for adoption.
Get rid of 8 gb ram its too evil at this point of time. And increase storage of base to 512 gb these decisions has led to justice department suing apple. Customers are extorted with apple ecosystem and not getting enough hardware to lock you into apple software ecosystem
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@@Needglory23BMW as well.
I just want a 27” iMac.
Thanks for the update.
Great review. Can help find out release date n potential price for m4 imac? Thks.
Hello, please tell me what kind of LUT you used for this video?
I just want Mac’s to be able to game just like a PC
They already can
Just build a gaming PC already. You're paying more for less if you're trying to game on a mac.
I have both - Lenovo Legion and 16' mac. they are next to each other on my desk like best friends
It was called Intel Macs with Boot Camp, it was glorious. I still wish Apple offered Intel options with their M line.
@@davidsummers6700parallels! I use it and works fine. Do keep in mind I play old games. Right now I run parallels on an M3 pro chip and I play Star Trek bridge commander. That game is obviously 20 years old but it runs it like a champ lol
I just want Thunderbolt 5.
Succinct update! I literally just bought a MacBook Pro (M3 Pro) and then hear about this. Probably not worth me waiting for this and despite all the videos about this new AI-M4 chipset there’s no real indication of what the real world applications will be. the obvious answer is that it will be better at certain processes and faster, particularly with pro level workflows but I’m not holding my breath for anything groundbreaking… right?!?
Any chance the iMac gets upgraded with the M4 or can I buy a M3 iMac soon without waiting?
So what are the colors of the iPad 11th Generation until it will release?
Topaz Photo AI uses mostly the neural engine. Increasing the number of cores as well as the speed of them would do wonders to sharpening, pixel enlargement, and noise reduction. In some tasks my M1Pro just plain bogs down and takes 3 or four minutes with just a single 1 gig photo. Selecting the subject is sometimes just impossible. A minimum of 36 GB RAM is also essential. When I bought the M1Pro it ran everything I had very fast, but in 3.5 years, nit so much, and the current m3max is really only a few seconds better.
Does Apple skip M3 Max for Mac Studio and go straight for M4 on this platform? Then how about M3 Max in Mac Mini form factor in June 2024 as a high end product?
I think it would make a lot of sense! it would prolong the life of the pro level machines if that platform launches the new generation of M chips, rather than it kinda feeling superseded within months like when each M3 chip could give the tier up in the previous M2 generation a run for its money.
Also it would sit a bit odd if they announce a load of OS AI features alongside an M3 Ultra Studio and then within a few months the Studios and Pros are blown out the water with AI performance because of dedicated M4 AI hardware. Hasn't stopped them in the past though :P
Two M3 Max cannot be made into an M3 Ultra as they lack the physical connector pins to connect them.
I think they decided to upgrade Siri with Ai capability. If you wan to embedded Ai into a chip, it needs a lot of computing power because there is a lot of data running through, so I think they just decided to went ahead with M4.
What about an iMac 27 inch?
are they going to fix the unpatchable bug?
I wonder if they’re going to fix the hardware level security issue.
Allegedly these chips are already in mass manufacturing since December 2023, so I guess.. no, not really?
@@PeterRince you think they mass produce one year before ?
That’s already been done with M3
@@miscipsakitsune4667 Yes, I'm sure of that. Dec 2023 is not even half a year before a possible product launch. If they want to announce new products with these chips at the WWDC in June, these have to be manufactured and delivered to the factories soon enough. Providing a fix to a SoC on a design level takes years, not months.
Type and number of cores is what I'm interested in especially with AI being thrown about. I worry that AI focus might plateau or even reduce performance for non-graphic and non-AI applications. Could end up the low end M4 chips might actually be better for non-graphic work than the higher end M4's.
It seems that they announce new chips every six months. People just started buying the M3 version.
Can someone explain what AI-focused on a chip actually means here hypothetically? I know Apple has been gearing all of this up, but I feel like most users experience of AI services is almost all over the cloud. Are we just talking super powered local Siri or something else?
Marketing glurge. It means parallel processing, the same basic thing as graphics uses.
They might be using ai for upscalimg since games are going to br focused on much more
Better ability for govt to spy on you using your own hardware
TL;DR. The (lame) answer to your first question, it will do AI operations faster. :^D My guess as for the why - the need for a reasonable responsive Siri. Longer answer, there's two main AI type tasks, training and inference. If it's training, the chip will be optimized for "multiple and accumulate" operations (and parallel), if for interference (retrieval data out of an AI model), parallel and faster/wider memory access. The bigger the AI data model, the more useful it is, but the longer it takes to infer / get data out of. And they probably want Siri to be both useful and responsive.
It means these new chips will be able to handle high tasks with AI at a simple rate and not make it have bad performance when using AI as since macOS is a heavy os new MacBooks and chips would need newer technology to make the ai tasks process fast with the new chips.
Is the M4 chip supposed to be < 3nm, or 3nm (like the M3 chip)?
3nm and 5nm mixed design
They are releasing their chips way too fast - getting ridiculous now
M4 will most likely be very similar to M3 considering the fast update cycle - most likely a node update from N3B to N3E and higher clock speed.
AI means NPU cores. NPU are somewhat similar to GPUs without the video part. They are better at some computations that the CPU is slower for.
Awesome. Will buy a second-hand one in 2 years time.
How about making Siri work for once?
That’s kinda what it’s about
Still rocking my M1 max MBP and might consider upgrading to M4 Max if its powerful enough. The performance difference between M1 Max and M3 Max was not big enough for me to upgrade 🙂↕️
Me too
Are you able to borrow/“procure” two »identical« M3 MacBook Pros, one, the base configuration, RAM and SSD; the second with »max« RAM and SSD, and then identically benchmark BOTH?
I’m dying to know if the heat that RAM generates and the SCORCHING 🔥 heat SSDs are infamous for causes a performance hit if they are larger in capacity inside the identical chassis. Will the fan in the RAM/SSD-maxxed out MacBook Pro compensate - so no performance hit? Are they louder because of more fan activity? And does lower RAM and SSD capacity in an Apple Silicon MacBook Pro equate to higher performance? If so, how much? Negligible or significant?
(I see a lot of video comparisons that say things like, “Well, this one’s a 14-inch not a 16-inch, but that shouldn’t matter in the comparison…” But, as you know, driving a larger, higher resolution display makes SoCs work harder, but at the same time, the larger chassis size allows more room for heat dissipation, so the only apt comparisons are between identical models except for, as I said, RAM and SSD size.)
Thanks.
That was a little bit too quick don't you think, there must be something wrong with the M3 they don't want people to know.
The same argument could be applied to M2 Pro as well. M2 Pro MacBooks came out in early 2023, and by October-end we had M3 Pro MacBooks too. So by that logic something was wrong with M2 Pro as well, even more so because it was on sale for less time than what is being rumoured for M3.
the part where German says the Mac Pro will only get the m4 ultra doesn't make sense to me cause the studio already uses the ultra chip my guess is apple would create a m4 extreme chip
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I got an M2 Pro I haven't even maxed it out in my work flow so I think pretty much set until M6 lmao.
There are some of us out here who don’t edit our own UA-cam channels. My M1 MacBook Air is more than fast enough for me. Having said that most of the time I just use a 9th gen iPad.
Dang so no Mac Studio refresh this year?? 😞
Let's hope for a new Mac Studio at WWDC 2024! M3 Max! We need it!!
I wonder if ithe M4's will come in that fancy new Space Blah color.
sounds cool
I’m disappointed that Apple discontinued the 27” iMac. But I sure it would now be hellishly expensive. As for a Mac Mini, why the hell can’t Apple put an SD card slot on the front, and a USB C port as well. Yes, I know there are docks and dongles, but it would be nice to have Apple do something practical for once. Totally agree with the other comments that 16 gig RAM & 512 storage is the minimum Apple puts into its machines.
I like this orange iMac M4
I want to be able to buy an off the shelf Mac desktop (mini pro or studio) that will run Premier pro and edit 4k videos with all the effects without having to pay a stupid price for upgrades. Silly money for ram and faster ssd's that should be standard. And professionals shouldn't have to wait either, we've been with Apple since the beginning. It would have been nice to of had the specs raised in the studio for the same price while we waited for M3 or now M4???
The increased available RAM with an AI 'tuned' M4 chip should mean we can run or even train local LLMs which would be a step forward.
Every excited. I would love to have a system that learns your work habits to complete reparative tasks that are generally too complicated to do with normal automation including research and analysis.
The question the public needs to be asking is how many back doors will be installed in these M4 chips after we have learned that somebody has installed back doors into all the other chips
“It ran really well obviously…” - With current workloads, unless you’re directly dealing with ridiculously huge datasets all the time, once you get above about 64 GB, you won’t notice any day-to-day difference in “feel”.
Yes, video editing is one of them, but even then, Apple’s tools are RAM efficient, if you’re not doing truly *professional* video work (like Dan) that extra RAM won’t do much.
I might just get an Air and wait to get my real Mac when M4 is out.
if its 3nm I'll wait for the M5
Another excuse for minimal (or less as the M3 pro was for audio users). All the crappy AI stuff was on the last chips but did literally fuck all.
Can we just transfer videos and images to another computer. I don’t want I. Just let me copy
Ai powered M4 be like: HeReS wHaT I FoUnD oN tHe WeB fOr "x"
I just get M3 MAC but no have AI.
Apple nee to change the design and put an OLED screen.
Apple doesn't have Nvidia GPU data center. Their strategy is to run llm locally. But apple soc isn't big enough to large llm. So they cant sell their ai Mac as it doesn't have enough ram
Photo AI doesn't use the GPU, it uses the neural engine.
Nice video, but unfortunate t-shirt lol. #Steelergang
Ooof 😉
If you don't suddenly find CUDA on Apple chips, you're not exactly helping users do local AI at no cost.
I LOVE APPLE. AAPL TO THE MOON
Cool! I don't really care at all about AI so I'll just not wait and just get an M3 MacBook Air instead.
Has Apple ever got anything out on time?
Leave it to Apple to try and sell you a new computer to work with AI.
M4 vs Elite Chip 2? Qualcomm would announce the newer chip 10/2024?
Qualcomm hasn’t even shipped the Elite 1 chip and you’re getting excited for an Elite 2 announcement? LOL… why?
@@steveseidel9967 Qualcomm announces their newer chips on October for the upcoming year.
@@WarAlex16 Do you understand the difference between announcing new chips and actually shipping them? X Elite was announced last October... still isn't shipping yet. Who cares what they announce in October if they don't ship until many months later?
@steveseidel9967 thanks to Qualcomm, Apple has to continue to innovate. Competition is good
i just bought a me pro lol
M4 is more powerful than a M3 - What does that mean? M3 already gets too hot. More neural cores for AI, no one uses the neural cores now, seems all sales goop. the big thing I would like is a mini pro, with max and 64 to 128G of memory. With the Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite chip coming out. If a vendor puts it in a small box and offers more than 32G of memory it could be adios to the current mini series .
We all know Apple stands for privacy, but we should also be demanding They stand for anti-censorship and other virtues.
Man I am so sick and tired of all this AI crap.
Thank goodness… the M3 is so outdated and slow! [sarcasm]
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Android phones are many flaws (not perfect, not privacy). What do you expect from the AI in the future. Please fix the priority first before creating something new. Oh la la ! What the hell of people 's minds?
The dead horse iMac gets a new heart…if you add AI to the processor you even could revive the only good Design iMac the iMac G4…maybe they will revive the iMac G4 as HomePod Pro Max but if Apple is unable to bring a 32“ or 49“ iMac Pro Max or an 22 inch iPad Pro Max to the market Nvidia will buy Apple and release the iPhone 16 Pro Max as Calculator for students and a Nvidia GeForce GTX 5090 with a 18 inch Display as portable gaming AI Computer hope Apple is building robots faster than the Apple Car if Apple builds no new hardware since 2020 how will they build Robots…As the iPhone Camera is industry leading an Apple drone with the iPhone Camera would be more than useful an be a robot at the same timeframe the drone has wheels…
Too little too late.
Yay, Apple become the first silicon vendor to accelerate AI on their chips ... oh wait!
... and if you want that extra memory for deep learning AI models ... nope!
... and if you want to develop software that Apple suddenly decides is their core software ... nope!
... and any software you do develop Apple automatically for some reason becomes a 25% stakeholder (for providing crappy tools apparently) ... nope!
... and if you want industry standard encoders (say like AV1) or connectors ... nope!
All this is available today from AMD on platforms that cost way less!
... made the mistake of going Apple once ... never again falling for the shiny stuff promise - they sell baubles to the equivalent of modern day Red Indians (i.e. the gullible).
Never again!
Accelerating AI means for consumer level features like upscaling, noise cancellation, ai green screen, etc not for devs lol
@@gewdvibes Yes ... which is why devs don't develop for Apple and why their software ecosystem sucks!
No one cares.
Apparently you are not a photographer. We care.
we need faster CPU and better GPU architecture!
Also an M4 extreme would be very usable!
Photography AI doesn't use more than one core of the CPU and none of the GPU. It uses the neural engine.
YES! 512GB memory will be awesome for LLMs in MoE varieties. Perfect. The M3 Max already allows 128GB in a laptop, which is needed to run Mixtral-8x22b-instruct even with 4-bit quantization. I run the 8x7B-instruct on my 65GB Max, but I wish I could move up. I goofed not buying the 128GB. 🥲