EEVblog 1400 - Hard Drive Micro Actuators are AMAZING!

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  • @flymypg
    @flymypg 3 роки тому +210

    For a given mounting orientation, you can fabricate piezo actuators to move in any axis (x, y, z, roll, pitch, yaw). For these disk arms, my guess would be they lengthen and shorten (rather then bend or curl). And they would likely need to be operated as an opposing pair to manage bending stress on the arm: Firing only a single actuator would cause MUCH less than half the head motion as the non-operating actuator acts as a solid opposing block (the single actuator forces against two fixed points).

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  3 роки тому +32

      Yep, I speculated an asymmetrical drive in the video. Would be silly if it's just one side driven. But if movement is visible then you should be able to see something driving just one I suspect. But the distances are just to small, so it's all moot it seems. But might do some more experiments which would entail taking out one arm completely for access.
      Not sure you can manufacture thin flat transducers like that that contract in lenth?

    • @Evergreen64
      @Evergreen64 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah. That's what I was thinking too. An opposing pair to move from side to side. And the little "springs" on either side provide some stabilizing force.

    • @leromantik
      @leromantik 3 роки тому +34

      documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/collateral/white-paper/white-paper-dual-stage-actuator.pdf like that?

    • @randxalthor
      @randxalthor 3 роки тому +29

      @@EEVblog from the white paper that evergreen linked, the geometry shown in your video, and what I remember from Smart Structures in grad school, they're only extending and contracting the length of the PZT elements by ~100nm. The voltage applied to the tops and bottoms of the transducers makes them thicker and thinner. Since they're trying to maintain constant volume, the length contracts or extends to compensate for the thickness change.
      This is actually great for this application because it essentially gives a sort of mechanical advantage to the actuation, requiring much less voltage on the PZT element to pull very hard on the read head. The stiffness of the polymer mounting the PZT elements to the read head would be very precisely accounted for in calculating how much motion transfers to the read head and the material could even theoretically be tuned to adjust down the amount the read head moves with PZT contraction.
      Bloody brilliant stuff.

    • @Chris_Grossman
      @Chris_Grossman 3 роки тому +2

      I would think is is a length change in the ceramic. As stated above a piezo ceramic can be engineered to change length. I once used length changing piezo ceramic in a micro fluid pump.

  • @snap_oversteer
    @snap_oversteer 3 роки тому +104

    It still amazes me that HDDs are able to operate this precisely and reliably usually for a very long time, and the fact you can buy such thing new for just 10s of dollars.

    • @ray-charc3131
      @ray-charc3131 3 роки тому +1

      Some of my old stock hard drives can't work anymore somehow, data can't be got.

    • @tsites1
      @tsites1 3 роки тому +15

      I designed ICs for hard drives back in the mid 80's. At that time hard drive design was considered the most difficult and technically challenging of all mechanical engineering tasks. I'm sure it is still so.

    • @crumplezone1
      @crumplezone1 3 роки тому +1

      @@tsites1 Thankyou for your service Tim :)

    • @EndlessDelusion
      @EndlessDelusion 3 роки тому +2

      @@ray-charc3131 Maybe the electrons have fallen out.

    • @JerryMetal
      @JerryMetal 3 роки тому +2

      @@EndlessDelusion perhaps the resistors are in rebellion as well?

  • @Clark-Mills
    @Clark-Mills 3 роки тому +174

    Hook up an oscilloscope to the piezo and see if tapping the tip generates power...

    • @thiagoschp
      @thiagoschp 3 роки тому

      that's an amazing idea

    • @dtibor5903
      @dtibor5903 3 роки тому +7

      You can use a 4-10khz signal for the actuator to hear the actuator. Also you should touch the head with something like a pingpong ball to adapt the mechanical vibration to air.

    • @dtibor5903
      @dtibor5903 3 роки тому +3

      You may need 50V-100V to operate the piezo actuator

  • @e74av
    @e74av 3 роки тому +38

    Not only mechanically but also the software and algorithm to maintain data consistency and keep data uncorrupted is remarkable.

    • @kellymoses8566
      @kellymoses8566 Рік тому

      partial response maximum likelihood is witchcraft!

  • @rickard1802
    @rickard1802 3 роки тому +40

    When you said "you dont need much current to move these micro actuators" I for some reason imagined the guy over at Photonicinduction pushing 1000 amps through it just for lulz.

    • @onemanshow4116
      @onemanshow4116 3 роки тому +6

      Awwww… He *POPPED* it 🤦
      😝

    • @ikocheratcr
      @ikocheratcr 3 роки тому

      it is not a knife ;)

    • @Reaktanzkreis
      @Reaktanzkreis 3 роки тому +2

      ..no more harddrive..it´s popped! LOL . All what left is a molten blob of metall on his burned carpet...where is my beer?

    • @thomasvlaskampiii6850
      @thomasvlaskampiii6850 3 роки тому

      That would be fun to see. I'd love to see how the heads would react to that much current. If they'd just pop or if they'd move some before popping

    • @electronicengineer
      @electronicengineer 3 роки тому +1

      @@thomasvlaskampiii6850 The assembly would most likely just vaporize.

  • @franciscovarela7127
    @franciscovarela7127 3 роки тому +41

    I fondly remember the satisfying clunk-thump-clunk of my first 5MB hard drive as my programs read & wrote data. Hats off to the engineers of modern disk drive designs.

    • @blahorgaslisk7763
      @blahorgaslisk7763 3 роки тому

      And the satisfying clunk as you sent it the head park command. On some drives this made the entire table shudder.
      Then there were the old Shugart drives. The disks were huge, at least 8 inch possibly larger, and the head assembly did indeed weigh more than a pound. The actuator was a huge coil acting on a big magnet that moved several inches for a full stroke. Yes the magnet was a part of the head assembly and the coil was stationary. Given the huge mass involved the access times was pretty amazing. Running a butterfly seek test the actuator moved so fast it looked like a spooky half transparent image of it, but you didn't want to get your fingers anywhere close to that as it made a full stroke about 25 times per second. It had to accelerate the assembly and then stop it after it had moved about three inches 25 times per second. With the heavy head assembly that takes some serious power and it made the whole building shudder. It sounded amazing when you ran calibration tests. The first time I heard it I thought someone was using a jackhammer on the floor.
      People was coming from several floors to see what was making such a racket. I think that drive was some where between 5 and 20 MB...

    • @ZXRulezzz
      @ZXRulezzz 3 роки тому

      I remember hearing "high-tech sci-fi computery squeaky sounds" from tech scenery, playing through first location of Unreal.
      They seem to be, in fact, made up from an ancient MFM drive sounds, seeking repeatedly. The one that had a stepper motor for an actuator :)

    • @GarthClarkson
      @GarthClarkson 3 роки тому

      I reckon. My very first HDD was an ACTUAL Seagate ST-504. It weighed nearly 10kg for a 10MB drive.

  • @bayareapianist
    @bayareapianist 3 роки тому +3

    I think most of you got it wrong. The piezzo mechanisms is to dampen the vibrations of
    1) final position of arm. Without the this mechanism, the system control mechanism can never stop the shaking of the arm by itself since the arm is long. It is considered a secondary system of fine tuning, much the same as multiple stages in power supply design. In PS design, if you want to have a very low ripple noise, you must use multiple stages and filters.
    2) step motor (spindle) which constantly shakes the hard disk. The piezo electric mechanism can vibrate in the higher frequency whereas the arms step motor cannot.
    3) other small higher frequency noises like fans in the motherboard and chassis.
    This has not been a new idea. It has been around since 2005.
    Besides, the heads have multiple read and write sensors much like a video camera or scanners. They can read multiple tracks at once. If track 8 needs to be read and the arm goes near there, one of the heads detects the right track and the arm may not need to move to get track 8.
    Hard disks are one of the most sophisticated electromechanical systems ever invented in such a small space. I'm surprised how cheap they are regardless of number of them being made.

  • @Factory400
    @Factory400 3 роки тому +31

    Fascinating to see this stuff up close and realize that they make these in extreme quantities - fully automated. 24/7.
    The in-process QC challenge is mind boggling.

    • @andyapple9
      @andyapple9 3 роки тому +3

      I can’t believe humans being build these things. Period.

    • @xissburg
      @xissburg 3 роки тому +1

      @@andyapple9 yes, it almost feels like this stuff comes from another planet... it was all made by aliens.

    • @monad_tcp
      @monad_tcp 3 роки тому

      @@xissburg no, it doesn't feel like that when you have the precise history of development and the thing getting better each stage since the time those things used to weight half a ton

    • @randombloke82
      @randombloke82 3 роки тому +2

      @@xissburg if the limit of your understanding is “hurr hurr, light switch goes click” it probably does, yes. But then some people are dumb enough to think the pyramids were built by aliens… who used only local materials and tooling to cut the blocks and deliberately made the simplest possible shape for a stable tall structure.

  • @Evergreen64
    @Evergreen64 3 роки тому +40

    I've seen hard drives since the beginning. Those old things where the heads looked like magnetic tape heads and the platters were 18" in diameter. I worked with ones were you needed to do a low level format before you actually formatted the disk. And now these where the low level format is done by a precision device at the factory. You can really see all the years of science that has gone into these things.

    • @lesliefranklin1870
      @lesliefranklin1870 3 роки тому +2

      One place where I worked in the late 1970s, they had a WANG computer. It had a 5MB fixed hard drive and a 5MB removable hard drive pack, about 18" in diameter. It was VERY noisy. When we started it, it sounded like a jet engine starting. Funny thing, when they upgraded from 5MB to 10 MB, they backed up, removed a resistor, reformatted, and restored. That was a very expensive resistor.

    • @bobvines00
      @bobvines00 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah, I've got a DEC RK05 disk pack drive that weighs 110-lbs (~50-kg) with heads/arms nearly 6-inches (~15-cm) long, if I remember correctly. I think the storage capacity is 1.6 (12-bit) megawords, or 14.5K (12-bit) words/pound (32K words/kg). ;) Damn, HDD technology improvement over the years has been amazing!

    • @dylantowers9367
      @dylantowers9367 3 роки тому +1

      I know a guy who worked with *really* early ones. The platters were huge, made of Cadmium, and held a whopping 1 Megabyte.

    • @bobvines00
      @bobvines00 3 роки тому

      @@dylantowers9367 I saw a collection of old platters that a Professor had. The largest I remember was between 3 & 4 feet (0.9-1.2-m) in diameter and about 1/4-inch (~6-mm) thick, but I don't recall whether he told what its capacity had been.

    • @dtiydr
      @dtiydr 3 роки тому +1

      @@dylantowers9367 I worked att a radar surveillance mountain once and even if everything was state of the art they had put up some "thread memories" on a wall from way back in the time. It was just a long very thin coiled up thread of metal that when "hit" on one end whit piezo material it held that information for certain time before it reflected back. 1 bit fast memory back in the early -50.

  • @CarlBugeja
    @CarlBugeja 3 роки тому +25

    Interesting stuff! In my experience piezo actuators operate with higher voltages.. Given that there's no specs I would start with a 30Vpp (some piezo actuators can even go up to 600-3000Vpp but I don't think this is the case) also, for an actuator application the frequency needs to be under 200~300Hz.. I'm curious to see their driver schematics given that the voltage has to be boosted, driven differentially, drive multiple actuators

  • @berndrosgen1713
    @berndrosgen1713 3 роки тому +7

    Visible light is usually defined as having wavelengths in the range of 400-700 nm. You can not expect to see movements in range of 50 nm. Sometimes I did not manage to get sharp images of 50 nm structures with the SEM.

    • @kramnecknerf
      @kramnecknerf 3 роки тому

      Well, with interferece you could

    • @berndrosgen1713
      @berndrosgen1713 3 роки тому

      @@kramnecknerf I know Daves office light is not monochromatic and I guess he hasn't a Michelson interferometer at his bench.

  • @ikocheratcr
    @ikocheratcr 3 роки тому +14

    Similar idea to what optical discs players have had since ever (IIRC), an stepper takes the head next to the read position, and then the lens is moved with two coils to get to the exact track, and keep the lens focused too.

    • @davestorm6718
      @davestorm6718 3 роки тому +1

      I was thinking that there is probably a lot of cross-over technology from optical drives to hard drives. The Law of Accelerated Returns.

  • @jusaca01
    @jusaca01 3 роки тому +21

    From what I read the displacement of the micro actuators is in the order of 1µm and below. So not a huge surprise we couldn't see any movement when you applied a few volts ;)

    • @mglenadel
      @mglenadel 3 роки тому +1

      That’s what I was going to say. Probably too small to actually see the movement.

    • @abhijithanilkumar4959
      @abhijithanilkumar4959 3 роки тому

      How come your comment is 2 days old when Video came out today Sir.

    • @garretr4488
      @garretr4488 3 роки тому

      @@abhijithanilkumar4959 probably patreon

    • @LordZordid
      @LordZordid 3 роки тому +4

      @@garretr4488 Obviously magic.

    • @mglenadel
      @mglenadel 3 роки тому +1

      @@abhijithanilkumar4959 Oh, in Australia is it tomorrow already or something like that, so the comment could have been made somewhere near the international date line, going around in the wrong direction and arriving two days before it was made, instead of a day after, if it makes any sense. :)

  • @KGE64
    @KGE64 3 роки тому +9

    Anyone who remembers the Philips VCC series videorecorders: they had piezo actuators connected to the tiny heads on the rotating drum and those video heads could follow the videotrack much more accurate than the VHS and Betamax recorders could. It could for example display perfect stills and stripeless fast forward/reverse searching. So not so new technology just on a much smaller and more accurate scale in harddrives now.

    • @poulmh
      @poulmh 3 роки тому +1

      I have repaired some, so I do remember they were a pain in the b... to calibrate. But quite neat that you could use both sides of the tape, like a compact cassette.

  • @paulcohen1555
    @paulcohen1555 3 роки тому +10

    That's a big advance from about 100TPI on 14" platters on drives I worked on in the seventies to >400,000TPI in today's drives.

  • @MadRC
    @MadRC 3 роки тому +5

    Its incredible the level of engineering that's in Hard Drives, you buy one for $40 and just dont realise the crazy development that's been involved. Amazing engineering for the masses.

  • @whitcwa
    @whitcwa 3 роки тому +9

    Videotape recorders had piezo actuators for track following starting in the 70's. Ampex won an Emmy Award for its Automatic Scan Tracking. If the AST servo was misaligned, you could hear the head tips sing.

    • @AnalogueGround
      @AnalogueGround 3 роки тому

      First seen in a mass produced VCR in the Philips V2000 format machines and then later on became pretty well standard in most high end VHS machines

  • @randycarter2001
    @randycarter2001 3 роки тому +20

    The silver glob of glue is conductive and grounds the back side of the transducer.

  • @fredygump5578
    @fredygump5578 3 роки тому +10

    It's like image stabilization, but for your data! That is pretty neat.

  • @MrAwyork
    @MrAwyork 3 роки тому +2

    My sharpshooter friend actually adds mass to his gun. This helps him keep it steady.
    The mass of the arm would help hold the heads steady while the fine tuning is accomplished by the micro actuator.

  • @animaser5582
    @animaser5582 3 роки тому +6

    Regularly used Piezo nano-positioners for laser mirror, and lens alignment.

  • @josephlunderville3195
    @josephlunderville3195 3 роки тому +8

    If you think about it, your finger on your hand on the end of your arm is a multi stage actuator too -- so you're wiggling the HD's micro actuator with your own micro actuator :)

    • @sjm2029
      @sjm2029 3 роки тому

      Gae.

    • @SproutyPottedPlant
      @SproutyPottedPlant 3 роки тому

      @@sjm2029 Homophobes are ‘gae’

    • @sjm2029
      @sjm2029 3 роки тому

      no u

    • @sjm2029
      @sjm2029 3 роки тому

      @@SproutyPottedPlant I am not a homophobe , why would you think that?

  • @AJMansfield1
    @AJMansfield1 3 роки тому +4

    Oh jeez, just imagining the sort of block allocation algorithms you'd need to be able to take advantage of being able to independently micro-actuate each head while having them still not totally independent at the main arm.

  • @Baslucht
    @Baslucht 3 роки тому +14

    All this talking about harddrives made get the "Get perpendicular" song stuck in my head. Thanks Dave! ;)

    • @cheaterman49
      @cheaterman49 3 роки тому

      Hahahhaa good vibes! Old school :-)

  • @madhusiddalingaiah5301
    @madhusiddalingaiah5301 3 роки тому +16

    Great video! I have had success observing motion of piezo devices using a poor man's strobe, e.g. a blinking LED. If you can excite the actuator at mechanical resonance, it should deviate more (perhaps greater than the design calls for). You can find the resonance frequency electrically with a 1-port network analyzer or sig gen and scope. If the strobe frequency is slightly different from the excitation frequency by a few Hz, you might see a slow oscillation of the arm. You can do some back of the envelope math to determine how much deviation you can measure with a given magnification. Just a thought...

    • @thesolderman861
      @thesolderman861 3 роки тому +2

      @EEVblog Assuming the HDD drive spins at 7200rpm I would expect it to wiggle at and above 120Hz to keep the head on an elliptic / excentric track, so you might try it with a higher frequency. This would allow it to be heard in operation. Reminds me on the movement of a Laser pickup lens in a CD drive and its movement on an excentric CD.

  • @AllElectronicsChannel
    @AllElectronicsChannel 3 роки тому +11

    The control loop strategy is also very interesting, using a macro-micro topology with complementary paths. The low pass response is actuated by the arm and the high-pass part by the micro actuators. Neat complex system equations 🤯

    • @cannesahs
      @cannesahs 3 роки тому +1

      High end disks use 3 actuators now. Whole arm and two smaller joints

    • @janami-dharmam
      @janami-dharmam 3 роки тому +1

      @@cannesahs I had a huge 20MB hard disk and it was highly educative to see the anatomy --- you do not need a microscope (and I was younger then)

    • @seeker4430
      @seeker4430 3 роки тому +2

      Hey! you got a nice channel there! I subscribed. Keep making those videos...more power to you!

    • @AllElectronicsChannel
      @AllElectronicsChannel 3 роки тому

      @@seeker4430 Thank you!! 😄😄

  • @aquilux-vids
    @aquilux-vids 3 роки тому +3

    9:15 The "spring arm" on the back is one electrode, and the bridge across the red insulator on this side grounds this side to the frame of the arm. Piezoelectric crystals shorten along the current path, lengthening along the plane perpendicular to that path. When current is applied, the piezo-actuator wedges both red insulators apart, causing the "I" shaped flexure ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexure ) to deform at the weakest point which would be where there is a hole punched through seemingly for no reason between the actuators.

    • @timecomments
      @timecomments 3 роки тому

      I perceived this as shifting the magnetic field up and down to vertically access the surfaces of magnetic plates laminated to a single plate. Am I wrong.

  • @byronwatkins2565
    @byronwatkins2565 3 роки тому +1

    First, they store data on top and bottom of the platters. Second, the position control has two loops: coarse control using electromagnetics and fine control using piezoelectrics. The micro actuators eliminate residual overshoot, ringing, vibration, etc. once the heads are close to decrease seek time. Third, the two piezoelectric elements are operated differentially so that one pushes while the other pulls and the head bracket rotates about an intermediate pivot. Check to see whether the opposite sides are connected to power for one and ground for the other. Also, piezoelectrics generally operate on tens or hundreds of Volts. Finally, the motion might not be visible without X500 or so magnification or an optical lever.

    • @cogoid
      @cogoid 3 роки тому

      The range of motion in this system is around 1 um, and the voltages are around 10V. Optical lever is a good idea -- with a 5 meter arm, the movement of reflected beam should be clearly visible, provided the vibrations are kept low.

  • @ZXRulezzz
    @ZXRulezzz 3 роки тому +6

    11:49 I remember about 30 years ago, Tim Hunkin said something similar about a VCR head chip on "The secret life of machines" episode :)

    • @WilliamDye-willdye
      @WilliamDye-willdye 3 роки тому +4

      Look up Tim Hunkin's YT channel. He's posting remastered Secret Life of Machines videos with added commentaries. Enjoy! :-)

    • @ZXRulezzz
      @ZXRulezzz 3 роки тому +1

      @@WilliamDye-willdye Exactly what I did - what a nice surprise!
      Shame about the 3rd season, existing recordings were mildly corrupted at the ends as far as I can remember.

  • @newpersia88
    @newpersia88 3 роки тому

    Hello those micro-actuators are for adjustment of head vertical distance from the disks, it usually is like this : 1 for GND ,2 for differential read element,2 for write element
    and 1 for vertical z micro-actuator and other two are horizontal x-y micro actuators. total of 8 connection .

  • @larrybuilds5359
    @larrybuilds5359 3 роки тому

    Not only does the mass of the arm contribute, but at speed, the elastic nature of the whole arm starts to become dominant in position error. You get lots of ringing and in order to reduce settling time, which is inversely related to read speed, the piezo actuators help keep the head inside the desired track. Its counteracting the large read arm vibrating like a rubber band. The voice coil motor has a lower bandwidth typically too. The piezo can be driven at a much higher control rate, which will help when chasing higher transfer speeds.

  • @NiHaoMike64
    @NiHaoMike64 3 роки тому +12

    Perhaps try setting it up with a record player stylus against the head and try to see if you can get some audio to go through that.

  • @tsites1
    @tsites1 3 роки тому +1

    The micro actuators are not simply for locating a track with high precision, they are actually there to overcome oscillations in the main part of the arm. When the arm moves from one track to another, it can't simply stop when it reaches the desired track. The arm will flex and if the drive coil simply stops when the head is over the track, the head will continue past the track and vibrate back and forth. Feedback to the drive coil is used to dampen this vibration, but given the extremely small distances between the tracks, the latency necessary to dampen this vibration and settle on the track using only the primary drive coil is significant. By using the micro actuators, the head can remain over the track even as the main arm continues to oscillate slightly. So the primary purpose of the micro actuators is to reduce latency.

    • @erikdenhouter
      @erikdenhouter 3 роки тому

      But how is the feedback to the drive coil picked up ? I thought to see piëzo sensors in them.

    • @kramnecknerf
      @kramnecknerf 3 роки тому

      @@erikdenhouter I'm quite sure the feedback is readfrom the actual track, some kind of data encoding that will ensure not all zeros or ones written for any significant length of track, so the intensity of the signal can be used to calculate the offset (in radial direction) Ols harddisks used 'dithering'to be able to know the sign of the erroro (am I moving in or out of the track), Not sure how it is done here,maybe two slightle offset heads?

  • @RS250Squid
    @RS250Squid 3 роки тому +1

    Dude you have more energy right now than I had in that part of my teens after I discovered Red Bull, and before they made them age restricted.
    Awesome. I love the video!, there's some awesome technology in these things and it's easy to take them for granted!

  • @moristo
    @moristo 3 роки тому

    The faster rotation of the disc, the smaller friction force on the head, it will ease the work of the coil/transducer, and maybe on the coil/transducer voltage is AC with high frequency controlled by PWM system.

  • @demindor
    @demindor 3 роки тому +3

    Actually, another interesting question would be what is the resonance frequency of those actuators? (It could be found with a spectrum analyzer.)

    • @sageinit
      @sageinit 3 роки тому

      Mwahahaha great question

  • @brumbymg
    @brumbymg 3 роки тому +4

    I'd like to see if you could aim a laser at the head and observe the reflected beam - perhaps a couple of metres away. The principle is the same as a mirror galvanometer - presuming you could find a suitable point on the head.

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  3 роки тому +1

      I do have a laser displacement device, can't remember the resolution though. Most likely not good enoguh.

  • @willrobbinson1
    @willrobbinson1 3 роки тому

    Truly amassing & taking for granted 10/10

  • @ThisSteveGuy
    @ThisSteveGuy 3 роки тому +4

    7:25 - "A thing of beauty is a joy for ever" - John Keats, Endymion

  • @MatthewSuffidy
    @MatthewSuffidy 3 роки тому

    If something is moving something has to be non-rigid in there. So I'll take your word for it. It looks like there are two layers, the dark, and the silver metal, that are free. The actuators are what connect the two layers, and would cause a left right movement on the plane of the platter relative to the arm.

  • @ANTandTEC
    @ANTandTEC 3 роки тому +9

    The helical scan head in a video cassette recorder used to be the most precisely engineered thing in the home back in the day.
    Info from the Sony patent: The track width of the magnetoresistive head is 0.5 to 0.8 μm, the distance between shields is 0.13 to 0.145 μm.

    • @gordoncraig8238
      @gordoncraig8238 3 роки тому +1

      Yes, and Video 2000 used piezo crystal to move the heads for trick playback. It worked quite well.

  • @kendokaaa
    @kendokaaa 3 роки тому +1

    These videos made be realize how cool hard drives are

  • @lohikarhu734
    @lohikarhu734 3 роки тому +1

    The little flexures allow for 'front-back- motion, to be converted at the head into 'left/right' motion

  • @mavamQ
    @mavamQ 3 роки тому

    I think the voltage applied is DC. piezos will expand or contract depending on the polarity of the DC. Also when a piezo is manufactured they are polarized in what ever plane is useful for the application. BobC and Egwene22 got it right.

  • @gblargg
    @gblargg 3 роки тому

    And it has separate micro-steppers for each head pair, further reducing the mass it has to move, just one pair of heads. So it's moving a fraction of the mass of the whole assembly.

  • @Christiane069
    @Christiane069 3 роки тому +3

    I would say that it is actually addictive to follow you in trying to understand the beast.

  • @1kreature
    @1kreature 3 роки тому

    Piezos are very prone to cracking if they are ever stretched so they almost always work in compression. By preloading the piezos and only letting them work in expansion they are always experiencing a compressive force.

  • @chouseification
    @chouseification 3 роки тому +1

    One of my co-workers used to be a QA dude at Hutchinson Tech (Hutchinson, MN) who specialized in making these little tiny hard disk parts. Sadly he doesn't have "engineer brain" so he didn't notice a lot of the technical stuff I know I would have, which limited his ability to tell fun stories about the amazing tolerances they had... but it still sounded like they had a pretty extensive test regime, to make sure nothing that didn't pass all specifications was shipped.

  • @timsampson5229
    @timsampson5229 3 роки тому

    As broadcast videotape technology progressed the track widths on tape reduced. At some point 'dynamic tracking' (my phrase) was introduced where the head was mounted directly (or nearly) on a piezo transducer to enable precise tracking. Head and drum servos took care of the basic positioning but the dynamic tracking did the rest.

  • @aarondennis8561
    @aarondennis8561 3 роки тому

    Last time I played with one of these. I powered the acuator on accident with the diode range poking around.
    If memory serves. The actuator energized will contract the head on the same side. It pivets in the metal between the two elements.
    Also if memory serves under those conditions the movement was indeed visible even with the naked eye.

  • @Griso12008V
    @Griso12008V 3 роки тому

    I worked at a factory that built those suspension heads was very different machine in the process to bond and install those actuators. Plus the white damper installed on the suspension arm it’s self.

  • @billr3053
    @billr3053 3 роки тому +1

    The multi-stage actuator seems to serve two purposes when I saw the animation: more precise head positioning, PLUS keep the azimuth perpendicular to the radius even though the head travels in an arc.

    • @heyyy4783
      @heyyy4783 3 роки тому +1

      I don't think the arc movement matters. As long as you're reading at the same azimuth as you wrote at, everything should work right. I don't think there's any need to have a consistent azimuth from one track to the next.

  • @DanielLopez-up6os
    @DanielLopez-up6os 3 роки тому

    HECK yeah a Whole Dedicated Video about these! Absolutely Wonderful!

  • @PaulSteMarie
    @PaulSteMarie 3 роки тому +3

    Both OxTools and AvE have done good discussions on flexures, like what you're seeing in this actuator arm.

    • @shimmerite_ua
      @shimmerite_ua 3 роки тому +1

      The best practical approach to flexures that I've seen is from prototyping course for scientists by Dan Gelbart. It's on UA-cam, look it up, great stuff

    • @jonnafry
      @jonnafry 3 роки тому

      @@shimmerite_ua Genius this guy!

  • @redsmith9953
    @redsmith9953 3 роки тому

    Thank you Dave for this technology introspection, of so called "mundane" things but for not entrained eye's.

  • @l3p3
    @l3p3 3 роки тому +2

    So it is basically the same prinicple behind the way optical disk drive's read/write heads are mounted in a springy way, extremely precisely movable by electro magnets!
    Because for optical disks drives, it is the same thing. The head assembly is moved by a spindle but the disk's tracks are too small and not as perfectly centered on the disk, so the head by itself needs to follow the tracks on a very fine scale.

  • @derhackerthetofu
    @derhackerthetofu 3 роки тому +1

    it would be an idea to reflect a laser from the tip and see if the point on the wall moves if you apply a signal to the actuator.

    • @JWH3
      @JWH3 3 роки тому

      You might not see movement in the laser beam itself but you'd probably see some kind of shifting in the interference pattern at least.

  • @tyakoss
    @tyakoss 3 роки тому

    I suspect that those could be shear mode piezos. And then if you hook them up in opposite polarity and excite them, they will twist in the opposite directions moving the head.
    If you have an impedance/network analyzer -- hook it up -- the resonant frequency would indicate the mode in which they move.

  • @excitedbox5705
    @excitedbox5705 3 роки тому

    Depending on the type of head those may actually have been the 2nd stage and controlled the tilt and up and down movement. Modern hdd have a 3rd stage attached to that ladder looking thing underneath (right where he cut the demo clip) and it moves the head side to side quite a bit but is also voice coil powered. Other heads only have 2 stages and use piezo side to side actuators with flexure springs.

  • @srivatsarupadhya6116
    @srivatsarupadhya6116 3 роки тому +1

    Good heavens, How do they even manage to get those exact and most precise movements. Just, really unbelievable😱😱😱😱

    • @addydiesel6627
      @addydiesel6627 3 роки тому +1

      I can only imagine. Maybe the heads are tuned individually before the drive is marked as a PASS. This means each head will require a unique amount of residual voltage governed by hdd board. This could be regarded as part of the low low formatting of the drive ???

  • @SarahWattCA
    @SarahWattCA 3 роки тому

    If you have two coplanar piezo elements, or a single element with two coplanar electrodes on the side opposite a common electrode, the area in between the two elements/two electrodes will twist if one side expands and one side contracts. This configuration can also be used to control up and down motion simultaneously. It could be that this is how the side to side motion is performed, but who knows given that you can't really tell how a piezo element moves just by looking at it.
    There's a homemade scanning tunneling microscope design that does this using a piezo speaker element with the silver electrode cut into four quadrants. Each "diagonal" pair of electrodes forms the X or Y axis. The movement on the Z axis is controlled by a voltage uniformly applied to all four electrodes (making each one expand or contract identically) and the movement on the X and Y axes are controlled by the difference in voltage between each complementary pair (creating a "twist" in between them.) Commercial STMs use three linear elements, one for each axis, but this design works well enough that one hobbyist managed to image individual carbon atoms on the surface of graphene with it, and at a cheaper price for his whole setup than one single purpose-made STM actuator costs.

  • @TerryLawrence001
    @TerryLawrence001 3 роки тому

    I believe that the "Flying " heads can be flown like a wing. The "flexing" of a micro movement is much like the moving the control surfaces to cause a bigger movement of the wing.

  • @todayonthebench
    @todayonthebench 3 роки тому +7

    HDDs are impressive mechanical beasts.
    Though, sometimes I wonder why manufactures don't just go to a larger form factor. It would increase material costs a bit, but increasing the disk diameter by just 10% makes a fairly huge impact to disk area and hence capacity. And most of the cost of the drives isn't material cost, but rather assembly costs, and that should remain largely the same for a drive that is physically 10% larger.
    Micro actuators like this would also help combat a lot of the issues with going to a physically larger disk.
    I for one wouldn't mind seeing a 5.25" HDD if it has a good price per TB.
    Though, the big issue with hard drives at current is that they are starting to suffer from their low read write speeds compared to their capacity.
    In short, moving data away from it takes a considerable amount of time, and if one is repairing a raid array, then this time is time that another drive can die within and one's data ends up lost. So there is some concern in regards to write speed per TB as well.
    Then there is SMR drives, something that could be handled a lot better by RAID systems. Though, a fair few drives are hiding the SMR operation away from the OS and drive controllers and such... Then there is the other extreme called Host Managed SMR, but that at least has advantages when rebuilding the array, since one can much more intentionally work with the shingled blocks and therefor not end up rewriting the same block x many times just because the RAID system didn't know it were the same block.

    • @pro100vald
      @pro100vald 3 роки тому

      Mainly it's compatibility question. The big piece of hard drive market goes to datacenters and similar big commercial system, and nobody is going to replace all their equipment just to accommodate larger drive.
      And also, engineers have to develop dense packaging techniques anyway, because companies want to sell hdds for laptops, and they won't get any more space there. So, if you are going to invent this thecnology anyway, why not use it in bigger drives?

    • @-yeme-
      @-yeme- 3 роки тому

      I doubt its about material costs in the BOM, surely they stick with the form factor because there has to be continual physical compatibility with server and PC HDD slots. consider how many servers there are in the world now, all manufactured to accept HDDs of a certain size

    • @dingdongchingchong8659
      @dingdongchingchong8659 3 роки тому

      Because of ISO compliance reasons.

    • @todayonthebench
      @todayonthebench 3 роки тому

      @@pro100vald HDDs in laptops has rapidly fallen out of favor the last 5 years to the point that finding a laptop with a hard drive is hard.
      And commercial systems in datacenters already get replaced on a 3-5 year cycle due to increasing power efficiency. Electricity, cooling and space aren't free things.
      And to be fair, space is a more real reason for why HDD manufacturers don't move to physically bigger drives.

    • @todayonthebench
      @todayonthebench 3 роки тому

      @@-yeme- And I never stated material cost is the reason. Just that a bigger drive wouldn't be all that much more expensive to manufacture.
      Form factor is a bit more of a reason. But to be fair, going to a physically larger drive has some other downsides, mainly in backwards compatibility. This is however not a major requirement in the storage market where cost per TB is frankly more important.
      All though, I did also point out one of the biggest reasons for why more capacity isn't actually a good thing unless one can also bring forth more read write speed.

  • @policedog4030
    @policedog4030 3 роки тому

    Good one! And a shout out to the sheet metal stamping, forming and punching die designers for those parts as well; I'd love to do a field trip to see those presses in operation making the parts for the read/write actuator.

  • @hadireg
    @hadireg 3 роки тому +1

    Hats Off science folks and engineers and the motivated wealthy industrials who believe and finance/invest in the researches to where it has become now! Joy Forever indeed! 👍👍

  • @bacphan7582
    @bacphan7582 3 роки тому +2

    hard disk is always amazing to me, they have unbelievabe precision, yet still dirt cheap( you can get 1TB hdd for less than $50)

    • @dingdongchingchong8659
      @dingdongchingchong8659 3 роки тому

      It's an amazing piece of technology we take so much for granted, yeah.

  • @ericcindycrowder7482
    @ericcindycrowder7482 3 роки тому +6

    This is really cool I never knew HDD heads had this kind of micro-actuators at the tip. It is so ironic with all this technology in spinning HDD and it’s all virtually obsolete technology except for the largest multi TB drives used in data center servers and large workstation PCs. Everything else has already transitioned to flash.

    • @MrZnarffy
      @MrZnarffy 3 роки тому +1

      Next stage after flash already exists.. But flash needs to hit it's limits before next switch.. mram...

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah, it has recently occurred to me that we are probably now in the golden age of magnetic media. Pretty soon, economies of scale are going to be working against magnetic storage and the incredibly low cost-per-TB we see now is going to go away. Hopefully that only happens when the alternative media are all at least as dense. (But the sentimentalist in me will miss spinning disks when they vanish for good.)

    • @MrZnarffy
      @MrZnarffy 3 роки тому

      @@nickwallette6201 No, magnetic is the future, but in solid state.. MRAM and things like STT-MRAM.. But yes, these mechanical beasts we have today will eventually vanish... Many thought they would be gone by now, but I think they will survive flash...

    • @ericcindycrowder7482
      @ericcindycrowder7482 3 роки тому

      One has to be thinking what kind of storage medium is best for long storage archiving. Mechanical spinner HDD may be the best for archiving, as long as it’s powered down for the archived period of time. Or it may be the worst form of storage I don’t know

    • @mduckernz
      @mduckernz 3 роки тому

      @@ericcindycrowder7482 DNA is honestly pretty damn good if it's temperature controlled. You get 2 bits of data per about 30 atoms if I've imagined it correctly (it won't be far off if it is, certainly not an order of magnitude)
      Read speed is kinda rubbish currently but stability is great

  • @TymexComputing
    @TymexComputing 3 роки тому +1

    Dave - the read and write heads dont hover tens of nm over the plater :) - they hover 3-6 nm since quite a very long time - there is even a speciaj heater in the write head that bumps the head and brings it closer to the surface ;) - Very nice you took that topic here in eevblog, thank you!

  • @rroge5
    @rroge5 3 роки тому

    I've got ideas for how to test it precisely...cast a shadow that make it bigger and easier to see small movements... Put a lever on it so it makes a small movement into a big one.... Lean a micrometrer onto the head so you can measure how much itt moves

  • @polkijain97
    @polkijain97 3 роки тому

    If you probe the correct contacts, you can then manually actuate the heads to get a readout on the scope. Then amplify and use that signal profile to drive. #reverse_egineering

  • @shaileshkhole7496
    @shaileshkhole7496 3 роки тому +1

    the piezo actuators expand and contract on the application of voltage giving side movement.

    • @timecomments
      @timecomments 3 роки тому

      I perceived this as shifting the magnetic field up and down to vertically access the surfaces of magnetic plates laminated to a single plate. Am I wrong.

  • @JacGoudsmit
    @JacGoudsmit 3 роки тому

    The Philips Video 2000 system from the 1980s used piezo elements to move the video heads for "dynamic track following". I seem to remember the voltage they used was pretty high, like 70V or something. Of course those piezo elements were much bigger than those in that hard disk.
    If I understand correctly, putting a voltage over a piezo element makes it bend along the longest side, so I imagine the elements go ever so slightly U-shaped and pull their ends towards each other by just a bit. The springs on the side will keep the head assembly from bending with the piezos; they're not needed to make everything go back in place when the voltage goes off.

  • @pouncytaur
    @pouncytaur 3 роки тому +1

    You should talk to The Slow Mo Guys, and get them to videotape one of these hard drives with the cover off. I think you will find that the two peizo actuators are fired in near ultrasonic speeds, and at those frequencies, even solid metal starts to bend and wobble in some amazing ways. All they need to do is to work with the harmonics of the head and it will wobble back and forth in a very predictable manner, and they could use that to steer them right to the tracks they want to access while the data is under the heads.

  • @Dia1Up
    @Dia1Up 3 роки тому

    That blows my mind actually. I love hard drives

  • @foxglovemead
    @foxglovemead 3 роки тому

    Your loss (the RED drive failing) was our gain, your teardown. Thanks. The familiar pattern of your better reviews always includes a teardown before a power on. Would be interesting to see a follow-on where the replacement RED gets an almost inevitable teardown, tearup (reassemble)and power up - without a teardrop (without issues) e.g. “how hard can it be” to put back the helium in an 8TB RED, for a Pro?

  • @rafaelcorreia8434
    @rafaelcorreia8434 3 роки тому

    You should be able to read the signal generated by the piezo when you force it with your hands. Maybe you can use that to confirm you’re in the right track.

  • @benhetland576
    @benhetland576 3 роки тому +5

    Normal person: Sad by the loss of a hd and replacement cost. Tosses crashed disk in the bin.
    Nerd: Curious about disk crash. Provides hours upon hours of exiting exploration time of the remains.

    • @JWH3
      @JWH3 3 роки тому +1

      Don't pass up the magnets that are in there, you will be hard pressed to find anything stronger than you can get out of a hard drive.

    • @rootbrian4815
      @rootbrian4815 3 роки тому

      @@JWH3 I collect those magnets, and they're so damn handy. You can hold a photo on the wall, mount a utility lamp to the wall (metal steel stud or frame) or a shelf, hang a space rack on the fridge, the possibilities are endless.

  • @MysticalDork
    @MysticalDork 3 роки тому +2

    I'd love to see Ben at Applied Science take a crack at getting measurable motion out of these - He's done some experiments in the past with very small movements, like those magnetostrictive strips used for product tracking in some stores.

  • @chrissavage5966
    @chrissavage5966 3 роки тому

    I first came across mindbogglingly small, fast & accurate piezo positoning back in the 80's on an Ampex VPR2 broadcast video recorder. The playback head could bend up & down to keep in the middle of the magnetic track laid on the tape. As the years passed, this technology appeared on more and more and cheaper and cheaper devices. Basically the same application as this by the look of it. Cool.

  • @TuxraGamer
    @TuxraGamer 3 роки тому

    Afaik it's very likely that these go up and down to control azimuth due to pressure changes (for different altitudes) + IIRC they would try to retract if they detect a drop so that there's a lower risk for the heads to touch the platters.

  • @tubastuff
    @tubastuff 3 роки тому

    Reminds me of the Drivetec floppy drive of the late 70s/early80s. Has two positioners--"coarse" and a "fine" ones. Used embedded servo recording to get around 3 MB on a 5.25" floppy. Disks had to be factory-formatted, which was a deal-breaker. Kodak eventually bought out the bankrupt company and marketed improved versions of the drive for a short time.

  • @nox4000
    @nox4000 3 роки тому

    It's actually pretty fascinating that we can store information this way. Just think about all the manhours put into the hardware, firmware and driver software.

  • @dbingamon
    @dbingamon 3 роки тому

    Hard Drives have come a long way.
    I remember in 1984 changing out 75 lbs 10MB Honeywell Hawk Hard Drives. One removable and one fixed platter Repairing a crash on the fixed platter called for buffer the RW head with 200 grit sandpaper (yes, that's right) and then washing it out in a cup of alcohol and then put it back in with a new platter -- and most of the time that worked.
    That was the procedure when some company President or Accountant is tapping his heels anxious to get the drive going because they have to print payroll or something.

  • @robjal
    @robjal 3 роки тому

    The Philips V2000 VCR system also had piezo elements on the heads. This was called DTF (Dynamic Track Following) and because of that system they could use smaller tracks. Technically this V2000 system was much better than VHS.

  • @themonkeydrunken
    @themonkeydrunken 3 роки тому +1

    Apply 40kHz to the piezos for ultrasonic platter cleaning!

  • @AtonyB
    @AtonyB 3 роки тому

    The piezo actuators will be to actively dampen the wobbling of the arm tip as the arm steps around. Imagine waving a flexible (all things are flexible to some extent) stick around, if your arm is strong and precise enough, you can point the bit you are holding in any direction as fast as you like, but it doesn't mean the other end of it gets there right away and when it does it will overshoot and continue to wobble for some time after. These predict this wobble and can pre-excite the arm when it is seeking such that the acoustic wave from the head coming to a stop cancels out the wobble already in it rather than creating one. The better you can do that, the more 'instant' the stepping can appear to be. Obviously the arm motor will be doing this to an extent on the mounted side, but the finer precision can be gained by having actuation along the arm.

  • @rootbrian4815
    @rootbrian4815 3 роки тому

    I used to recycle the entire drive without thinking until I got the idea of turning the platters (and keeping the magnets for other uses) into wind chimes. To date, i've done it countless times over.

  • @thomasesr
    @thomasesr 3 роки тому +6

    I don't know about being the most precise mechanism we own. Those phone Gyro and accelerometers are pretty precise and mechanical

    • @BRUXXUS
      @BRUXXUS 3 роки тому

      Oh yeah….

    • @thomasesr
      @thomasesr 3 роки тому

      MEMS gotta give credit where it's due

  • @dtiydr
    @dtiydr 3 роки тому

    and another high precision think in hard drives is the ball bearings in the arm that is not a high precision bearings but designated ultra precision bearing and is a part of the hard drives cost. Think that it can never wore out and must be 100% stable all the time. Wear so it would wobble of say only unbelievable 10nm would at the read/write heads be more than 10 times that which would not work at all since that is wider than the tracks and the hard drive would fail. But still they work year after year.

  • @mirceanicolaepop3707
    @mirceanicolaepop3707 3 роки тому +1

    I think they do bend hence their longitudinal length decreases and so they pull the arm towards them. I do not really see how the counterpart acts. You should try with 15-20v pkpk and use a laser reflection on the head. Then just look for the reflected spot on the wall. The actuators vould be polarized in the dirrection along the head. I'd try with a complementary signal on the counter- actuator but 10v pkpk seems to be to little. You can always overdrive it.

  • @BRUXXUS
    @BRUXXUS 3 роки тому

    Absolutely incredible! Controlling something physical, at the nanometer scale, and it’s something most of us use everyday and have no idea.
    der8auer recently did a few videos at a lab that has a SEM with probes small enough to test INDIVIDUAL TRANSISTORS on like 7nm process CPUs 🤯
    It also uses piezoelectric elements to get such fine positioning.
    I didn’t know about using piezoelectric elements for positioning until that video, now this shows me it’s a lot more common than I knew! Very cool.

  • @DrB1900
    @DrB1900 3 роки тому +6

    I wonder if the micro actuators act identically, or does each head have the ability to adjust independently.

    • @stanmacdonald1073
      @stanmacdonald1073 3 роки тому

      The heads move independently to correct for surface to surface and head to head track position.
      You likely need to put opposing V on the piezo pairs. With only 1 active you are pivoting into the other solid piezo.

    • @toddstrope157
      @toddstrope157 3 роки тому

      Guys, there are only so many connections from the main circuit board to the E-Block where the pre-amp, main actuator coil, micro-actuators, read head, write head, and head heater reside, each is a essentially a pair of wires. Not to mention pre-amp power and communications for pre-amp control, selecting which head is in operation. Disc drives are a simplex device, only reading or writing at a given time, and only one head (surface) is active at a time, otherwise the control requires too many connections and servo algorithms too complex. All the micro-actuators act in unison , though only one head, the active head, is used for positioning at any given time..

  • @kakd1870
    @kakd1870 3 роки тому

    ide try putting a really long wire off the tip to try and magnify the appearance or movement at the far end of the wire.

  • @mikefochtman7164
    @mikefochtman7164 3 роки тому

    You didn't mention if all the micro actuators are wired together or independent. I can see a benefit of driving each head's actuator independently since tolerances in attaching each to the main carriage would be difficult to get precise. So these would allow micro-adjustments in overall positioning as you discuss, but also allow adjusting each head to compensate for variation in mounting on the carriage.

    • @kramnecknerf
      @kramnecknerf 3 роки тому +1

      not just the tolerances,I think it is even more important to get the inevateble thermal effects of the different arms servoéd out. That's lilely the most important function of these actuators in there. If you forsake on speed (and position one readhead at a time) you can do with (i giess) only the lorenz motor.

  • @inwerp
    @inwerp 3 роки тому

    If i understand it right(im only starting to leard data recovery) there is sort of track map with micro-actuator corrections like "track X is on actuator position Y.+microposition Z. In fact, datastorage is so dense that platter temperature matters and causes seek errors. This microactuators solve this issue, so for example, firmware looks for track X, reads servomark X+1 and says aha, one track back. Not pretending i kmow shit, im just started to learn so appreciate any correction.

  • @mikeall7012
    @mikeall7012 3 роки тому

    Tuning these must get fun when they make smaller tracks. Probably use a high gain but then use a dead band to reduce gains as it gets close to the demand position so you get fast movement and limit overshoot without having to use too much kI or kD. I work on much bigger, less precise equipment so if anyone can shed light on that I would be interested.

  • @Sir_Uncle_Ned
    @Sir_Uncle_Ned 3 роки тому +1

    It’s amazing just how much formula one level engineering goes into the spinning rust.

    • @MarcABrown-tt1fp
      @MarcABrown-tt1fp 3 роки тому

      Soon it won't be spinning rust with the read writer head split into two separate actuators. Seagate is getting hard drives of this type that are nearly saturating sata 3 speeds. SSD's will still have these hard drives beat in IOPS by a considerable amount. but hard drives will no longer be painfully slow. it will feel like a low end ssd but with way better overall lifespan than flash ever could.

  • @lusciousbobby
    @lusciousbobby 3 роки тому +2

    40 years ago I was quite sure 10 megabyte (10 mb) Shugart drives were magic and could not possibly increase in size.

  • @CaseyConnor
    @CaseyConnor 3 роки тому

    The engineering itself is amazing enough, but the design for manufacture is what really blows me away. Meaning, it's one thing to make a device that does what that drive does, but it's another thing entirely to be able to make it cheaply, reliably, without too many exotic materials or processes involved, with a minimal amount of customized tooling, etc. In other words, despite the insane sophistication we know is involved, it's the way that design screams "i have been refined to an extreme degree" that gets me. Those read arms are in a sense so simple they almost look like a high school robotic hobby project, yet you know they are basically space alien technology.

  • @tootalldan5702
    @tootalldan5702 3 роки тому +1

    Great job Dave. Funny at 10:52, half a bee's WHAT? LOMAO.
    NICE SCOPE! Got a link? Is there a delay when viewing and finger movement?