Hello sir! Had heard about treble bleed before but didn't really pay attention to it...after seeing your video I decided to try it on my guitar and it did wonders to the sound...not only it kept the treble at lower volumes but also increased the signal coming from the pups...I guess it's expected but when you see it happening it's a whole different story...thank you very much for the videos! greetings from Sao Paulo, Brazil
Great mod, really helps you dial in a good tone. I have a Telecaster with two P-90 pickups and the Gibson style 2-Vol & 2-Tone knobs wiring. I have the capacitors going from the tone pot to the volume pot and it makes the controls so much more useable. From what I've heard, this is how the late 50's Les Paul "Bursts" were wired. It helps keep the treble there when you turn down the volume and also allows the tone controls to help you dial in a great tone/volume. Great work...
Very meticulous attention to detail in your video 📹 and a great job putting it together. Question for you: I have a Tele Style guitar (1 vol & 1 tone knob) with a mini humbucker in the neck 10.8k and a single wax potted bridge pickup 6.70k. According to your theory (presented very nicely) to get an optimal treble bleed cap for the humbucker the cap value would have to be a bit higher and a bit lower for the bridge right? So I'm looking for ideas on how to get started and what to install. 1. A DPDT switch with 2 different caps 2. Splitting the difference between say a .001 & up Thanks in advance ☺️
These videos are simply brilliant, Im starting to understand more about my guitar than I ever thought possible! thank you for opening my eyes. I can now have a go at fixing some older guitars I own :)
This vid's great. First time I saw it was almost two years ago when I had absolutely no idea about electronics. Now after my first tube amp build it still is as interesting as it was then, maybe even more now that understand things better. Cudos, man.
just move the the wire coming from the tone pot to the center lug of the volume pit, no muddiness when volume is rolled off, better sweep on the volume and tone control. learned this after 40 years of modding guitars, it's the 50's style wiring.
Oh yes, I can see how the Riviera can present a challenge, a push pull pot on the middle with master volume would be a good solution. I have a 3P-90 guitar, a Dean Palomino, but it's wired ala Strat, 5 way with master tone and volume. Looking forward to your next video on this, the reason I never bought a Riviera was the wiring scheme, looks like you have it sorted out!
Very useful and informative videos. Thank you for all the work you put into your videos. On my humbucker equipped guitar (Dimarzio Norton and PAF Joe) I put in a 0.001uf ceramic disk cap. It kept the highs just fine but was a little "spikey". SO I put a 100 kohm resistor paralleled in the circuit and it blended the frequencies perfectly. Plus it slightly affected the taper of the pot. But in a good way. Smoother taper IMO. Thanks again.
I've been looking into this mod for a while now. I also play a G&L ASAT Classic and after some searching, I came across the "50's Vintage Wiring Mod." Just do a google search for "Telecaster Mod Guide." It's on the Premier Guitar website. I would post a link, but youtube doesn't like links. Just curious what your thoughts are between the 50's Wiring Mod and the Treble Bleed Cap Mod. Thanks! Love the videos.
Nice video, John. I've been an engineer for the past 30 years and can offer a comment about the types of caps to use in a tone bleed circuit. Almost any cap dielectric type in the 1000pF range would work equally well: NPO ceramic, polyester, silver-mica or polystyrene. All of these dielectrics have very low voltage coefficients and good stability over time and temperature (don't overheat when soldering though). Stick with modern components...avoid using old junkbox parts like waxpaper-foil caps!
Maybe you should try using a diff amount of capacitance? and yeah, the taper of the vol pot needs to be audio (non-linear) for that smooth, exponential drop. Having the cap on there is essential imo. else... you get mud as you said.
Wow!! Great video! Great idea to test with alligator cables before deciding!!! I'll build this cable and do some tests..... Is it necessary any special cable for connecting this alligator heads...? Or can I use any wire I have here...?? Thanks, Mr. Cooper!
Any reasonable wire is fine. I just bought pre-wired alligator leads, like these: www.elexp.com/ProductDetails.aspx?item_no=05ALS1&CatId=11642ab1-299e-4378-98fd-17cf2dbb3978
Thanks for doing the dirty work! I had seen your other videos, but not this one. I was trying to find the differences when you change the caps and resistors for the volume mods. Have you added a resistor in parallel or in series with your caps?
@johnplanetz Hi John, i did exactly as what you did in your second video installing the pots onto the caps. Wouldn't that run the caps in parallel to the pots? How might I solder it in series?
Love you videos and the time you put into rigging up your guitar to try different capacitors. Quick question. I have two orange drop .001 caps. Wiring one seems a tad bright for me. Could I wire two together to double it (kinda like the value on your G&L guitar)? And would I do that in series or parallel? Thanks for any advice you can give.
The total capacitance of two caps in parallel is the sum of the two individual capacitances. The higher the treble bleed capacitance, the more lower frequencies it will pass.
@johnplanetz i'm not sure if there's something else going on. I've had this guitar about 20yrs now and it's been that way from the beginning. bought it new. I like how it sounds with everything turned up so i don't mind, but once i turn back the volume to clean it up. the more i back off volume, the more it sounds like switching from bridge to neck. In any case, i'm going to try this to see how it goes. I need to replace all the pots soon anyways. thanks.
Thanks for the video, is very informative. I have a question, which cap you recomend me if I have a strat with alnico III single coils and I want to play always with overdrive but for clean just manage the volume pot
Ok thanks for the answer:-) I have one more question: What do you prefer, just a cap, a cap and a resistor in series or a cap and a resistor in parallel?
Hey great video . I have a 3 humbucker epiphone . And I have it wired with 3 volumes and one tone , since I'm only using one capacitor instead of the usual 2 for the standard 2 volume, 2 tone les paul , will it make my guitar darker sounding since I only have 1 ?
Koki Zuniga - the treble bleed caps are independent of the tone caps. However, if you have a 3-way tone-switch with your 3-pickups, where two pickups are tied together in one of the positions, then you will likely have problems with treble bleed. See this: www.planetz.com/a-bloody-mess/
You ever tested any polystyrene (Styroflex) caps? I've read somewhere that these are the caps of choice among many in the synthesizer DIY community for there rich "musical" quality.
hi John, I did the treble bleed with a 0.001 uf cap and a 150 K resistor on a 500K audio taper pot, soldered to the middle and hot lugs. However, as soon as I installed it, the audio taper disappeared. Am I doing anything wrong? Btw, am using Duncan Jazz and Custom pickups.
Some teles in the 50's did come with simple treble bleed circuits in the volume pot, but not all, and a lot of repro's do not have this feature as far as i'm aware. If you want to check, just unscrew the control plate, and if you see a little orange or green capacitor soldered to your volume knob's corresponding pot, you're probably good.
Hi I want a electric guitar. Can you help me to choose one? What is stratcaster guitar? I want a noisy guitar I didn't say to choose the best one but I do want to know what singer and their band most use? Thanks
You should go to a music shop and try some guitars, and ask them to help you choose. Information on the most common guitar models like stratocaster, telecaster, les paul, etc are all available on the web- just search for them.
why im planning on a Cheap Strat with just Volume for each and a Master Volume, 3Way Blade type switch and a Toggle for the Middle, the Volume Pots for each will be Push/Pull so i can flip the Coils. Figured that would make a good base and every thing else i can try, ever your method Card or a little black box type ;P
is it possible to do that with a volume pot? I bought a used guitar that seems to have that mod, but on my volume knob, which seems to give a tad more volume and when i hooked it to my little alligator volume pedal, it bled a bit when i was trying to do volume swells. but it works great when i am soloing, but have to roll off a tad when i do rhythm.
Good vid, thanks. Does anybody know what exactly will allow you to have the quality that the G&L does, where it totally cleans up when the volume is down? It seems to be more than just the type of vol pot doing that.
If you install treble bleed and you already have a No Load tone pot, do u still get the qualities of the no load as well as the treble bleed on the volume or does the no load get cancelled out in any way?
John, question...if you take a cap and put it across thge two lugs, does it have any effect with your volume wide open? (More or less wouild tyhis make your pickup say brighter then say if it wasn't there in the first place?)
this may be a bit too specific, but would this volume treble bleed work on guitars with active electronics? Jackson's. I've never liked how muffled it gets when the knobs aren't all maxed.
hi johnplanetz i'd like to ask what's the warmest tone capacitors? i have an HSS configuration pickup on my guitar and i shielded the electronic cavities with copper tape, sounds cleaner now with a lesser hum but the problem is the sound is too bright and thin.. Eric Johnson is using .1uF capacitor and always have a warmer tone, you think its applicable to my guitar? HSS 1 tone, 1 vol, 5way switch. thanks
Hi! Could you explain what nominal voltage is? 'Cause I've found a capacitor with the values of: 39 pF and the nominal voltage of 100 VDC. Could I use it in a humbucker-eqiupped guitar? Btw it is ceramic.
hi! i got my guitar's both tone knob and volume knob on 10, but it still sounds dull. i want to know what seems to be the problem with it?? any help would be appreciated thanks
You are becoming Mr Cap (every time i look up any thing to do with Caps and Guitars i fall to you) any way, Nice Showing of the different Caps. Is there any way you could show the different caps with different PicksUP, sort of standard designs, Rail, Hum, Single, Lipstick, Rail Hum, Single/Rail etc because im guess with the different types you will need different bleeds It will also depend on the Volume Pot you are fighting with as its in PAL with the Bleed around the Volume
Hey, I'm trying to find a website to order a bunch of orange drops with different values but nobody seems to carry them at lower than 1000pf ... can you recommend a place to get them from 200-2000pf ?
I don't know if this has ever happened to anyone else, but if someone can help, please reply! My volume pot on my epiphany sg special has been very much messed up...then, I pulled the pot up, and the part that you turn completely came off. When I tried to put it back in, it wouldn't go. Then when I shook my guitar I heard a slight rattling sound in the pot...PLEASE HELP
Hey Bro can you help me out, how do you know when you have to change the Capacitor in ur guitar? Is there a certain capacitor u use for playing oldschool metal? thanks bro
@johnplanetz the 50's wiring is way superior. it keeps the guitar sounding full and keeps the highs. with the treble bleed, you start rollonh off the lows as you roll back the volume. so it starts sounding thin. i tested both several times, no comparison.
On my weak 5.7k single coils on my strat with 250k pots just a light reduction in volume the sound goes muddy,, which is bad as i want my rythm sound to be bright and cutting witout the volume and when I am add max volume, the teh same sound or slightly less bright for lead,, so a treble bleed is nessecary if you want to control volume from the guitar.. Some of my favorite players have this,, Thomas blug, andy timmons, etc.
i recon your right . just a 1000pf is right the 100k ris they use does let more low end in. but! it can sound ok i recon on strat pups. gibo pups are mega out put, i got a tony iomi special it read 17.7 k. blows the input well. just a 1000pf works a treat on it.
I installed a treble bleed cap on the strat i made and i regret it :P You do lose ethe usual tone change the volume gives. I know it's cleaner though so i don't remove it.
Hello sir! Had heard about treble bleed before but didn't really pay attention to it...after seeing your video I decided to try it on my guitar and it did wonders to the sound...not only it kept the treble at lower volumes but also increased the signal coming from the pups...I guess it's expected but when you see it happening it's a whole different story...thank you very much for the videos! greetings from Sao Paulo, Brazil
Great mod, really helps you dial in a good tone. I have a Telecaster with two P-90 pickups and the Gibson style 2-Vol & 2-Tone knobs wiring. I have the capacitors going from the tone pot to the volume pot and it makes the controls so much more useable. From what I've heard, this is how the late 50's Les Paul "Bursts" were wired. It helps keep the treble there when you turn down the volume and also allows the tone controls to help you dial in a great tone/volume. Great work...
Very meticulous attention to detail in your video 📹 and a great job putting it together.
Question for you:
I have a Tele Style guitar (1 vol & 1 tone knob) with a mini humbucker in the neck 10.8k and a single wax potted bridge pickup 6.70k. According to your theory (presented very nicely) to get an optimal treble bleed cap for the humbucker the cap value would have to be a bit higher and a bit lower for the bridge right?
So I'm looking for ideas on how to get started and what to install.
1. A DPDT switch with 2 different caps
2. Splitting the difference between say a .001 & up
Thanks in advance ☺️
These videos are simply brilliant, Im starting to understand more about my guitar than I ever thought possible! thank you for opening my eyes. I can now have a go at fixing some older guitars I own :)
This vid's great. First time I saw it was almost two years ago when I had absolutely no idea about electronics. Now after my first tube amp build it still is as interesting as it was then, maybe even more now that understand things better. Cudos, man.
Great comparison video! You can really hear the difference with/without the treble bleed and different value caps.
Awesome video man, I can imagine what a pain it was to get everything together and put this together but it's really appreciated!
just move the the wire coming from the tone pot to the center lug of the volume pit, no muddiness when volume is rolled off, better sweep on the volume and tone control. learned this after 40 years of modding guitars, it's the 50's style wiring.
Excellent video, very informative. Thank you.
Melbourne, Australia.
Great video I just bought a kramer 220FR with the volume bleed and you helped me figure out how to use it- thanx !
Oh yes, I can see how the Riviera can present a challenge, a push pull pot on the middle with master volume would be a good solution. I have a 3P-90 guitar, a Dean Palomino, but it's wired ala Strat, 5 way with master tone and volume. Looking forward to your next video on this, the reason I never bought a Riviera was the wiring scheme, looks like you have it sorted out!
Very useful and informative videos. Thank you for all the work you put into your videos. On my humbucker equipped guitar (Dimarzio Norton and PAF Joe) I put in a 0.001uf ceramic disk cap. It kept the highs just fine but was a little "spikey". SO I put a 100 kohm resistor paralleled in the circuit and it blended the frequencies perfectly. Plus it slightly affected the taper of the pot. But in a good way. Smoother taper IMO. Thanks again.
I've been looking into this mod for a while now. I also play a G&L ASAT Classic and after some searching, I came across the "50's Vintage Wiring Mod." Just do a google search for "Telecaster Mod Guide." It's on the Premier Guitar website. I would post a link, but youtube doesn't like links.
Just curious what your thoughts are between the 50's Wiring Mod and the Treble Bleed Cap Mod. Thanks! Love the videos.
Nice video, John. I've been an engineer for the past 30 years and can offer a comment about the types of caps to use in a tone bleed circuit. Almost any cap dielectric type in the 1000pF range would work equally well: NPO ceramic, polyester, silver-mica or polystyrene. All of these dielectrics have very low voltage coefficients and good stability over time and temperature (don't overheat when soldering though). Stick with modern components...avoid using old junkbox parts like waxpaper-foil caps!
Thank You very much for the video. Saved me a LOT of time. My Mods are done, with confidence, thanks to hearing your A/B comparison.
Dude, amazing video! Thank you very much, it's very clear and understandable
Maybe you should try using a diff amount of capacitance? and yeah, the taper of the vol pot needs to be audio (non-linear) for that smooth, exponential drop. Having the cap on there is essential imo. else... you get mud as you said.
ah, i see at the end you added diff values of caps.
Excellent presentation, thanks
Really enjoy your videos. Very professional!
Wow!! Great video! Great idea to test with alligator cables before deciding!!!
I'll build this cable and do some tests..... Is it necessary any special cable for connecting this alligator heads...? Or can I use any wire I have here...??
Thanks, Mr. Cooper!
Any reasonable wire is fine. I just bought pre-wired alligator leads, like these:
www.elexp.com/ProductDetails.aspx?item_no=05ALS1&CatId=11642ab1-299e-4378-98fd-17cf2dbb3978
***** Thanks, Mr. Cooper!! :)
John that is a smokin good video.. THANKS man for putting it out there for us all!! Really cool.
wich one did you chose for the G&L ASAT III? very useful videos btw... thanx for posting this and greetings form venezuela!
Awesome sauce! I didn't know about this concept. You're my kind of guitar guru man. thanky
Thanks for doing the dirty work! I had seen your other videos, but not this one. I was trying to find the differences when you change the caps and resistors for the volume mods. Have you added a resistor in parallel or in series with your caps?
Nice video I had been wondering about this. Great song too!!
@johnplanetz Hi John, i did exactly as what you did in your second video installing the pots onto the caps. Wouldn't that run the caps in parallel to the pots? How might I solder it in series?
John - great video. Which schematic did you use? C only..C//R...or C and R in series. I would be interested in seeing that video!
Hey Nick, I was just using a cap for this one.
Love you videos and the time you put into rigging up your guitar to try different capacitors. Quick question. I have two orange drop .001 caps. Wiring one seems a tad bright for me. Could I wire two together to double it (kinda like the value on your G&L guitar)? And would I do that in series or parallel? Thanks for any advice you can give.
The total capacitance of two caps in parallel is the sum of the two individual capacitances. The higher the treble bleed capacitance, the more lower frequencies it will pass.
***** I see. Thanks for the help bud.
very useful video, thank you for your efforts
@johnplanetz i'm not sure if there's something else going on. I've had this guitar about 20yrs now and it's been that way from the beginning. bought it new. I like how it sounds with everything turned up so i don't mind, but once i turn back the volume to clean it up. the more i back off volume, the more it sounds like switching from bridge to neck. In any case, i'm going to try this to see how it goes. I need to replace all the pots soon anyways. thanks.
I appreciate the effort you put in to this video, but it seems a strange choice to demo this through an amp with a digital front end.
Thanks for the video, is very informative. I have a question, which cap you recomend me if I have a strat with alnico III single coils and I want to play always with overdrive but for clean just manage the volume pot
You'll need to experiment to find what you like. www.planetz.com/difficult-decisions/
Ok thanks for the answer:-)
I have one more question: What do you prefer, just a cap, a cap and a resistor in series or a cap and a resistor in parallel?
Hey great video . I have a 3 humbucker epiphone . And I have it wired with 3 volumes and one tone , since I'm only using one capacitor instead of the usual 2 for the standard 2 volume, 2 tone les paul , will it make my guitar darker sounding since I only have 1 ?
Koki Zuniga - the treble bleed caps are independent of the tone caps. However, if you have a 3-way tone-switch with your 3-pickups, where two pickups are tied together in one of the positions, then you will likely have problems with treble bleed. See this: www.planetz.com/a-bloody-mess/
You ever tested any polystyrene (Styroflex) caps? I've read somewhere that these are the caps of choice among many in the synthesizer DIY community for there rich "musical" quality.
do you have a schematic of a spdt on, off, on with a treble bleed.....postion 1 normal, position 2 treble bleed.
I was playing Say It Ain't So
hi John, I did the treble bleed with a 0.001 uf cap and a 150 K resistor on a 500K audio taper pot, soldered to the middle and hot lugs. However, as soon as I installed it, the audio taper disappeared. Am I doing anything wrong? Btw, am using Duncan Jazz and Custom pickups.
WEEZER! Thanks for the info too. Is this unnecessary if you have 50s wiring?
Some teles in the 50's did come with simple treble bleed circuits in the volume pot, but not all, and a lot of repro's do not have this feature as far as i'm aware. If you want to check, just unscrew the control plate, and if you see a little orange or green capacitor soldered to your volume knob's corresponding pot, you're probably good.
Thank you ! Amazing !
Love every your lessons !
PJ from Taiwan
I know its a little late but thank for the video, peace.
Ah ha... Thanks for the info. The guitar I want to configure like that has the pots mounted on an active board, so I'm not sure if I can change that.
Hi I want a electric guitar. Can you help me to choose one?
What is stratcaster guitar?
I want a noisy guitar
I didn't say to choose the best one but I do want to know what singer and their band most use?
Thanks
You should go to a music shop and try some guitars, and ask them to help you choose. Information on the most common guitar models like stratocaster, telecaster, les paul, etc are all available on the web- just search for them.
why im planning on a Cheap Strat with just Volume for each and a Master Volume, 3Way Blade type switch and a Toggle for the Middle, the Volume Pots for each will be Push/Pull so i can flip the Coils.
Figured that would make a good base and every thing else i can try, ever your method Card or a little black box type ;P
Hi John
Wont the treble bleed result in, that you cant turn the volume all the way down?
Best regards Esben
is it possible to do that with a volume pot? I bought a used guitar that seems to have that mod, but on my volume knob, which seems to give a tad more volume and when i hooked it to my little alligator volume pedal, it bled a bit when i was trying to do volume swells. but it works great when i am soloing, but have to roll off a tad when i do rhythm.
I'm doing this right now, thanks for the idea!
Hi sir, i have question for you, i found pio 0.1uf 160v and orange drop 0.1uf 400v, are the volt make some different? Thank you
gerrycokl no. just what it can withstand in the guitar. 100v minimum.
Good vid, thanks. Does anybody know what exactly will allow you to have the quality that the G&L does, where it totally cleans up when the volume is down? It seems to be more than just the type of vol pot doing that.
If you install treble bleed and you already have a No Load tone pot, do u still get the qualities of the no load as well as the treble bleed on the volume or does the no load get cancelled out in any way?
John, question...if you take a cap and put it across thge two lugs, does it have any effect with your volume wide open? (More or less wouild tyhis make your pickup say brighter then say if it wasn't there in the first place?)
this may be a bit too specific, but would this volume treble bleed work on guitars with active electronics? Jackson's. I've never liked how muffled it gets when the knobs aren't all maxed.
hi johnplanetz i'd like to ask what's the warmest tone capacitors? i have an HSS configuration pickup on my guitar and i shielded the electronic cavities with copper tape, sounds cleaner now with a lesser hum but the problem is the sound is too bright and thin.. Eric Johnson is using .1uF capacitor and always have a warmer tone, you think its applicable to my guitar? HSS 1 tone, 1 vol, 5way switch. thanks
This was so useful to me! Thank you a lot!
Hi!
Could you explain what nominal voltage is? 'Cause I've found a capacitor with the values of: 39 pF and the nominal voltage of 100 VDC. Could I use it in a humbucker-eqiupped guitar? Btw it is ceramic.
hi! i got my guitar's both tone knob and volume knob on 10, but it still sounds dull. i want to know what seems to be the problem with it?? any help would be appreciated thanks
You are becoming Mr Cap (every time i look up any thing to do with Caps and Guitars i fall to you) any way, Nice Showing of the different Caps.
Is there any way you could show the different caps with different PicksUP, sort of standard designs, Rail, Hum, Single, Lipstick, Rail Hum, Single/Rail etc
because im guess with the different types you will need different bleeds
It will also depend on the Volume Pot you are fighting with as its in PAL with the Bleed around the Volume
Hey, I'm trying to find a website to order a bunch of orange drops with different values but nobody seems to carry them at lower than 1000pf ... can you recommend a place to get them from 200-2000pf ?
wow thanks for taking the time to make these videos. it helps alot :)
I don't know if this has ever happened to anyone else, but if someone can help, please reply! My volume pot on my epiphany sg special has been very much messed up...then, I pulled the pot up, and the part that you turn completely came off. When I tried to put it back in, it wouldn't go. Then when I shook my guitar I heard a slight rattling sound in the pot...PLEASE HELP
Hey Bro can you help me out, how do you know when you have to change the Capacitor in ur guitar? Is there a certain capacitor u use for playing oldschool metal? thanks bro
cap value also effects the sweep of the tone pot, so smaller values need more rotation before they cut off highs.
Thanks for showing me what it does
@johnplanetz i can't find orange drops at mouser.
Thank you so much for posting your videos!
Does different cap value affect the sound when the volume is fully turned on?
Thanks for making these vids!
@johnplanetz the 50's wiring is way superior. it keeps the guitar sounding full and keeps the highs. with the treble bleed, you start rollonh off the lows as you roll back the volume. so it starts sounding thin. i tested both several times, no comparison.
What is treble essentially? I switch in my les paul epiphone so it could sound clearer
michael martinez - the word "treble" here represents the high frequency part of the sound. As opposed to "bass" which means the low frequencies.
On my weak 5.7k single coils on my strat with 250k pots just a light reduction in volume the sound goes muddy,, which is bad as i want my rythm sound to be bright and cutting witout the volume and when I am add max volume, the teh same sound or slightly less bright for lead,, so a treble bleed is nessecary if you want to control volume from the guitar.. Some of my favorite players have this,, Thomas blug, andy timmons, etc.
Thanks John... I'll see what I can do.
And what value do you prefer?
Great videos. Thanks for the effort!
what song are you playing at 2:45?
thanks!
@vikenemesh I'm done now. sounds great, thx!
i recon your right . just a 1000pf is right the 100k ris they use does let more low end in. but! it can sound ok i recon on strat pups. gibo pups are mega out put, i got a tony iomi special it read 17.7 k. blows the input well. just a 1000pf works a treat on it.
=w= amazing video! will apply it to all of my guitars
Thees are very useful video, thanks! :D
Helpful video.
OK you answered my question at the end of the video lol
Great 👍
I installed a treble bleed cap on the strat i made and i regret it :P You do lose ethe usual tone change the volume gives. I know it's cleaner though so i don't remove it.
good
weezer!
Say it ain't so! Oh fuck!!, I was just listening to the same song!! ö
say it aint so by weezer, best example haha
for example, weezer
say it aint sooooooooooooooo oh oh oh ohhhhhhh
Treble bleeding, say it ain't so
heheh SAY IT AINT SO!!!!