how the Asian "Model Minority" perpetuates Anti-Blackness
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- the tension between the black and asian american community is complicated. with asian american immigrants being both foreigners and racial minorities, how does this position them in a black-white socioracial framework? (if you saw me change the title and thumbnail it's because i'm trying to make the video non-age restricted)
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0:00 intro
2:33 white supremacy
5:54 the immigrant majority
16:08 assimilation
19:45 the model minority myth
32:48 strengthening solidarity
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if you see the title changing, it's cause i'm trying to appease youtube's arbitrary guidelines :/ [UPDATE: i failed. i uploaded a new unlisted version where i took out the latasha harlins shooting scene, the gun that appears shortly after, the rodney king scene, and FD saying the N word. it still got age-restricted]
I don't know what to say, but good speech.
Por favor activa los subtítulos :p
OliSUNvia, where do you fall politically?
Foreign sent me, 👋🏽 hi. Thank you for your deeply impactful informative labor, research, video editing, public speaking, writing for this is no easy task. Thank you Olivia
girl keep going because i had to come here through foreign when i'm subbed to you.
As an 71yr old black southern Jim crow survivor I can tell that you have spoken nothing but truth . Thank you
God Bless you.
yea like when black people always rob asian people cause they think theyre weak.
Thank you for living and surviving. I love you for surviving because it means I might survive too.
There are other videos on UA-cam where Asian Americans speak about living in the Jim Crow South. From what I gather, they felt somewhat in between black and white while also being outsiders. They would often open stores in the black community because they didn't have communities of their own and they couldn't do it in the white communities. That's something that a lot of us black people don't realize. I think that if black businesses and Asian businesses would work together, it could improve things all around today.
I am sorry for what you went trough
As a Mexican-American, there’s a lot of colorism, anti-indigenous, and anti-blackness prevalent in our culture as well, and it’s something that is frustrating to see and feel powerless to change. Thank you for this
Yeah I'm an Asian black Mexican American mixed in 3 different ways I don't feel accepted by any culture lol
lmao bruh, no there aint. Anytime a latino gets represented on any Hollywood movies, it's always meso-American latinos.
Same in the Phillippines!!!!
As an African American.... I can assure you that this got nothing to do with colorism or anti-blackness.... This has everything to do with some in our Community Fragile Ego that we are not superior than all yall.... Labels mean shit.... If yall really want us to feel better.... Yall need to adopt our culture of Pookie and Ray-Ray and Baby Momma Culture so we all can feel like Fam.
BTW.... Most of us don't consider Philippines as part of Asians.... Because we can easily go to Philippines and find us some young Pinay to make us feel superior. ✊🏾👊🏾
@@r01dtox15 You're sound like a demented cave ape 😂
I’m half Japanese (on my mom’s side) and half white and this video really made me reflect on my experiences growing up. My mom and her family never spoke about racism they had experienced, but were never shy about calling black and Mexican people lazy/prone to violence. My dad constantly perpetuated the model minority myth, using it as a way to validate his own beliefs about black people. I never talked about any racist encounters I had with my family because I knew I would be told I’m overreacting and reading too much into it. I never thought about where these beliefs came from until now. Thank you for this video, it was great!
After the occupation camp of Japanese blooded people, Japanese parents intentionally did not teach their kids anything Japanese. In this way, their kids wouldn’t have to go through what they did. Or see themselves as the enemy. They could just see themselves as American. Hence, white wash. Idk if I agree with what they did. But the intention was to convey loyalty to America and not Japan. The proof is in the 442 regiment. Americans used Japanese American citizens to fight in Europe as those soldiers voluntarily signed up. The mentality for the Japanese American soldiers were that if they died with an American patch, no one can ever say that they’re not American. It’s a bit reminiscent of samurai mentality imo. The 442 is the most decorated platoon of its size. There’s a monument of them in DC. The point I was making was it’s not always some spooky white supremacy mystical notion that pulls the strings but life circumstances. You can make the same argument if this same situation was in Japan. But speaking of white supremacy as I go off on a bit of a tangent. Sometimes I think hip hop is “re-education” music to keep black ppl down coz all it does is perpetuate crime elements which reflects back on the community as part of their “culture.” And one more thing, the camps were only on the west coast. Japanese people could escape if they moved to the east coast. Which made me think of there was an ulterior motive. Which I forgot the details to but Japanese people were actually having a lot of ownership in *don’t quote me* something with pipelines in farmland. And the camp was just an excuse to make Japanese people lose ownership of that. The end.
"Model Minority" is a myth but not in the way you think. Its a slur used by the extreme far left to try and disparage successful Asian immigrants, cause further racial division and encourage Asian minorities to abandoned the aspects of their culture that cause them to succeed and instead push them into poverty so their anger can later be harnessed in far left revolutionary fantasies.
Your mum and your dad are correct. They're not the racists but you are. Someday you'll hopefully realize this just like I did.
Wonder why the most interracial percentage couples are “white man asian woman”?
And if it has to do with the internal racism among asian countries, there was a survey in Japan, Korea, and China where females would only choose to marry a foreigner IF he was a white man.
Yeah I can see where you are coming from. I’m Mexican American and my ex gf told me that her Chinese mom would call Mexican / Blacks lazy and she would bring up that Asian model minority. It’s crazy, but super disappointing that it’s still happening
I'm half Japanese too, and my mother would often b*tch and complain about how the Black British community is violent and dirty. Her views have become less racist now, but occasionally would mention something negative about them once in a while.
as a black woman, i love how you inserted black voices and experiences firsthand instead of talking about them yourself. a really nice touch and validates their experiences and i valued ur perspective as an AAPI woman as well. well done essay!!
lol the white man got you shook! seethe! cope!
@@danielb.1567 lol another pale face in denial 😂 man you people are naturally sick 😂
@@danielb.1567 You need help. You are way way in your head and I don't blame you.
Asians worship white skin
@@danielb.1567look at you being all racist and shit! 😉😒
Thank you so much for interviewing me for this video! Really enjoyed being apart of this. Great job! 👏
I know I told you already but ima say it again - the vulnerability you showed talking about growing up transracial hit me like a mack truck 😮💨 I'm so happy you are a part of this
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I really enjoy all of your videos, I love seeing you guys collaborate.
I watch your channel a bit
Thanks to all of you for making this content 🙏🏾
LIVVVVVVV 🚨😮💨 I’m cheating by commenting before it goes live but I wanna big you up for this one👏🏾 👏🏾 Its a privilege & a pleasure to link up with yuh! I know you was gonna snap on this but seeing the finished product, you gone above and beyond! The parallels between our points are eerily similar and it just shows that minorities have more in common with one another than the 1% wants us to think. That goes for working class white folks too.
wait howd you comment before it went live
@@oo3006 Unlisted video upload, then set to public
@@Spellzy ohhh makes sense considering the collab bro had the link.
Man collabs are always amazing. I was already happy that there was a new video, then a few seconds in I saw your face
thank you a ton for reaching out and making it happen!
I want to commend you. Im a Nigerian woman who came to this country 30 years ago. There was an implicit messaging that told me to look down on black ppl in this country. So, I proceeded to do that. Thankfully, my eyes were open not too long after I have been doing anti-racist education for the past 20 years. Everyone who knows, has to speak up.
Edit: This country seeks for the masses to be ahistorical. Appreciate the timeline and comtext.
How can a Nigerian immigrant look down on black Americans? You're blacker then they are...and your ancestors sold them into slavery 😅
Be lucky if they don't look down on you.
It's called 'assimilation'. Many foreigners, including many those from the African continent, in their pursuit to assimilate and be accepted in this country by the dominate group, were inclined to express contempt towards the African American population. Many Africans who came to the states immediately forgot about the turmoil in their own country (which led them to migrate to the states). They also forgot about the oppressive history propagated against them by colonial powers. It was essentially a case of mass and selective 'amnesia'. Only recently (due to the internet and social media) has many Africans started to pivot away from those habits and reject the brainwashing that tarnished would have otherwise been pleasant encounters between the two cultures.
Also, colorism -- which is rejected in the African American community -- is still embraced by Nigerians and many other Africans. I was friends with a Nigerian in college who openly admitted that he refused to date dark skinned African women. I was shocked because he was dark complexioned. Most African American men would be ashamed to express such a view.
@@karriem5666 Stop practicing the same generalizations about Africans that you complain about when people of other races direct them to Black Americans. I came to this country before the poster you responded to. I was never told by anyone to avoid Black Americans. Some of my closest friends since I came to America have been Black Americans. I have never really had any close friends from other races.
You yourself sounds like a bigot when talking about Africans. Your claim that Black Americans have rejected colorism is completely false. You are far more colorist than Africans, to the extent that you proudly proclaim your bias in public media and in entertainment vehicles like music videos. Black America's elites are predominantly married to light-skinned or racially-ambiguous women. Most of Nigeria's elites, on the other hand, are married to some of the darkest of Nigerian women.
Stop flattering yourself by thinking Africans are all conspiring against you. To be honest, Africans come here to succeed. We don't need to conspire against you to succeed in America. You are doing that amply enough with your many self-destructive propensities. Just because we know how to conduct ourselves maturely and also respect authority doesn't mean we are collaborating with the "oppressor". What a lot of Black Americans think of as fighting the system is making self-destructive choices that undermine their future prospects or trap them in the criminal justice system bottomless pit. African immigrants have nothing to do with it.
@@karriem5666Nigeria is a hot mess they aren’t even part of the conversation
The same people that told y’all to look down on us tell us that Africans have low IQ’s and are savages.
I’m a black woman and to be honest, I really don’t give a damn about what other people think of me. I know myself, I love myself.
Bingo! By this point we should just say "fine, let's be enemies".
@@jp3630 what are you even talking about?? Makes no sense
@@Chi_06 What? It does but you're being slow. Anyway, all the best.
@@jp3630a black woman says she loves herself and you say she wants to be enemies.. weird
@@jp3630 Wow you must really project your hate onto others what a miserable way to live 😂
My whole life has basically been what OliSunvia says about how some people think racism is only applicable to Black people. I've had to put up with a lot of shit because of this mindset from peers and teachers at school where I would actually speak out about the issue and everyone would say, "Oh, they aren't *really* being racist right? It's just kids being a bit silly and mean, you can it brush off." Unfortunately many other Asian people have had to deal with the same issue and it is almost never talked about whenever racism is brought up.
Edit: There are already people trying to say this experience is not unique to Asians, great because I never said it was a unique experience. I want to make it clear that I'm simply stating what I've been through and sharing my thoughts on the matter. It's unfortunate that people have to constantly go against each other and make it a game of "who has it worse", when in the end we all have it pretty shit.
as a south asian, we're at the bottom of the list. People literally get away with saying all kinds of racist things everywhere and it never raises any eyebrows. Meanwhile saying anti black or east asian things is atleast considered racist depending on where you are.
@@u-will-begin-2-cough-in-3-days I agree with the fact that often times when racism is brought up that other groups are left out. But as a black person that has traveled to countries in Asian..seeing signs like "No black people allowed" and hearing other stories about racism that is highly overlooked..I just don't know. Racism is a big topic in America. But other countries haven't gotten as far socially to even open up the topic. Anti-blackness was a thing around the world (even amongst black people) before the Europeans had such a huge impact in colonization and their own social influence to spread such ideals. Black face is even still a thing. Not much in America society. But I've seen it in other places. Like parts in Asia and such. In very recent times.
@@kokorobread5243 I'm sorry about your experience and yeah asian countries are very often colorist and discriminate against their own darker people. But I can't really parse the point of your comment. Are you saying racism against south asians in particular dark skinned folks should be overlooked just because they haven't addressed the subject as much as the white supremacist capital of the world, as a form of silent retaliation? or are you saying that america is already doing more than other countries in discussing these topics on a global scale (which is not true) so a lil bit of sneaky and neglected racism against a minority of south asians or other groups is just inevitable.
@@u-will-begin-2-cough-in-3-days I think I'm saying a little something closer to your second idea. It shouldn't be ignored for sure when it comes to any group. But yes, if the topic isn't as open in other places in the world. I think people of other races have often been overlooked in the topic of racism, especially in America is because everything has been black and white for a while. And America was built on the black slaves. Again, that doesn't mean that I don't want to include other races into the discussion. But since most of the problems come from the scale of either people white or black. And majority of things being built on anti-blackness..its harder for others to have a voice specifically in America because they aren't black or "near black." I think black people are like the majority in a minority position. Because things that were made to oppress had us black people specifically in mind. And when it came to other groups it was a question of how close you are to blackness. That being said, I think the issue is talked about less is because there is a lesser population of south Asians, compared to black people.
@@kokorobread5243 Yes, I agree with your comment completely. I still wanted to add tho that it should be noted that america and europe being a hegemonic power with capital has empowered a lot white & non-white POC from black to jew to asian to get their voices out into the world through academia and the media which is overwhelmingly eurocentric which favours voices that speak, write and express in English and the western tradition which serves to portray america as the wokest. I think it might be a bit hasty and biased to say other countries have not opened up the topic of racist oppression as much because the western world which has a hegemonic control over the flow of scholarship and media globally might be biased when it comes to actually reporting & portraying internal emancipatory movements in other countries. Like the dalit movement in India and other south asian and south east asian countries where native people have often historically spoken out against oppressive racial hierarchy. Many of these countries are also still recovering from the long lasting impacts of colonialism and many people living in poverty and simply don't have the resources to challenge racism on an intellectual & institutional level like the average american or French feminist philosopher does, whose ideas often end up being pivotal to activism.
It's so sad that this video has been flagged for age restriction. Great content. I see parallels from this dynamic from the UK but the relationships between the Black and Asian communities can be really different.
@Naikomi Half of Amsterdam isn't ethnically dutch as of the last census and France is estimated to have the biggest Muslim population in Europe, I woudn't say Western Europe is comprised of ethnostates in the way Japan and Korea are or ''more European'' whatever that means. More old buildngs? also asian in britain means south asian, has nothing do with stereotypes or culture of Japan or Korea, generally.
UA-cam is not meant to educate people. It's meant to be part of an evil corporation that keeps few people wealthier than everyone else. These same few people divide and conquer with racism.
"They own and control the corporations. They've long since bought and paid for the senate, the congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don't want: They don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking." - George Carlin
@Naikomi Not stupid when very rich oligarchs are attacking human rights and investigative journalists everywhere. These same very rich oligarchs are dividing and conquering people with racism. Very rich and powerful people have done tyrannical things for a millennia. UA-cam is just another thing controlled by very rich people who want to indoctrinate their slaves. So, UA-cam is meant for indoctrination disguised as education. UA-camrs who are investigative journalists exposing these very rich oligarchs in power get demonitized, censored, artifically lower subscribers, artificially lower video views, or banned. It's why dumb music videos get popularized while investigative journalists are getting attacked. It's idiocracy.
YT age restriction, don't you think that is a bit suspcious to say the least?
Their major platforms are run by pale supremacist (I can't say the W word or they will ban me) and that's the problem.
@@issness_godMost european countries are over 80% a single ethnicity, maybe not comparable to Japan, Korea and Taiwan which are over 96% a single ethnicity but far more of an ethnostate than almost all post colonial countries
I'm japanese-brazilian and this video genuinely changed me in a fundamental way. You managed to put into words the anger and resentment I've always carried with me, thank you so much.
The model minority myth is just another way that white supremacy divides and conquers, because they know our collective strength threatens the status quo. We're in this together for sure!
good golem
I’m so glad that there’s finally someone of Asian descent willing to admit that there is some animosity towards blacks from Asians and not making it look like the beef we sometimes have for each other is one sided.
WELL SAID!!!!!!
If a hornet stings several times, it’s probably a clue to avoid that hornet.
@@gardennovice7896 bro ignored the whole video and all the information it had 💪🇺🇲
@@gardennovice7896”I’m a racist coward” would’ve worked very simply and easily
@@RealKoolKid1 literally what I was trying to say was avoid negative people because negativity spreads. 🤦🏻♂️ Interesting how others interpret a simple statement into something else.
I remember one time I saw someone online posted basically meaning :“If asians want respect we should ditch 'lower class asians'(means not eurocentric or high educated enough) and other brown/dark skinned minority groups cause we are the 'good ones'. ”
This is the most classist and pickme sh*t I've ever seen in my life, and yes it came from an asian person 🤦🏻♂️
colourism is so deeply rooted in asian communities, diaspora or otherwise. it's seriously impacting everything, internalized racism, discrimination against others, upholding white supremacy, weaponizing privilege and visibility and proximity to whiteness...
I'm not surprised that that sentiment exists out there.
As a southeast Asian son of a refugee and first-generation American, I have heard comments like that from upper-class east Asian. It isn't the SEA people's fault that they were placed in ghetto areas living among the blacks and Hispanics after living through war and settling into camps.
@@Katcom111 One of the first things the wealthy, in almost ALL societies do is blame the poor for their standing in life. It's always entirely or mostly the fault of the poor their locked in cycles of generational poverty. But they never mention that their wealth is the result of corrupt fiscal policy and government that shovels money into the hands of the few, and deprives neighborhoods of investment or taxes for any sort of budget.
Asians already think they are better than everyone else, not sure why people you think you are above need to "respect" you.
As a black man, I've to experience this sort of casual racism often. It was awful, but at some point you just get so used to it that it becomes the norm. Videos like this help me remember that, no, it really isn't at the end of the day.
It's also quite fascinating to see the experience from the other side of the coin.
you mean like saying to someone from your family, who gets some sort of higher education "you acting white" ? :)))
@@DodoLP right on the money. My paternal family as pretty much ostracized me because I've just never been interested in following "African values and traditions".
This "if you're not with us, you're against us" sort of mentality is rather tiresome
@@DodoLP clueless ethnic european asking here: how is this white peoples fault? tbh i found this vid pretty racist to myself
@@fritzkuhne2055 why is it white peoples fault ? Because they need to find excuses to why theyre unsuccssesful..
@@DodoLP makes no sense. i dont need any excuses for my terrible life
there's something so validating about hearing someone speaking on issues like these, even if i've only found this a year later. i don't normally comment on videos, but as someone who is black and asian, i feel myself being caught between both sides, namely my mother's family. my mother is a southeast asian immigrant and there was always a tension around how my father is a black man. i don't see either side of my extended family often yet i've grown to be uncomfortable with my asian family. its nothing outspoken, but i can feel my lolo seeing and treating me differently for how close i resemble my father and not their side. however, in spite of me growing dreadlocks now, i've never matched the "black" view people had either.
the joke of not being black enough has followed me for as long as i've been around people since the way i talk is softspoken and polite. on the other hand, people wouldn't believe me if i told them i was asian because of how dark i was or tell me that my smarts were the result of my asian side showing. what stuck out to me most was when i asked why i got picked on so much when there were others mixed like me just to hear that it was because i was darker. i was in elementary school at the time but i feel like that recontextualized how i viewed myself
it was like being in a constant dogfight to be acceptable. there were times i've felt at odds with being filipino because i wasn't east asian, which led to my culture feeling devalued in comparison. when i've been with my mother's family, i've wished i was more asian so id feel more "in place" with them. when i've been with my siblings and friends, i wished i was more black so no one questions my personality "not matching" my appearance. all the other times, i've wished i was white, or at least lighter, so that things would be peaceful
watching this video has helped me believe in the hope for a better future, just from knowing others understand. i am in a better place with my identity, i think, or at least, i'm trying to make peace with who i am. and i'm glad that i'm now a subscriber of yours; thank you for this
This world ain't shit dude but be proud of who you are because you have the best of both worlds it's just that society doesn't want y'all mixed people too believe it.
You snapped actually thank you for making this! More conversations and solidarity amongst the black and Asian community needs to happen like this if we are to ever move forward with dismantling white supremacy
Oh brother “muh white supremacy”
Then why insist on immigrating to white countries. Stay in your own where you are the norm and majority.
This is such an important video and I'm glad you made a video on it! As an Indian American, I was glad you talked about South Asians claiming Blackness, as I feel it is a topic that isn't talked about as much. To add, the model minority myth was specifically created and used to separate Asian Americans from other POC. In 1966, the New York Times published an article about a successful Japanese American businessman, and quite overtly stated that if he could be successful in a racist society, then why couldn't black people. While easier said than done, it is important we come together. While each group experiences their race differently in America, we all suffer from the same white supremacy.
THIS WHOLE ENTIRE COMMENT 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
@Naikomi this ain’t about y’all and u guys aren’t considered poc anymore and irish/italians were never treated the same way poc were
@Mr.Beant when did i say that indian people did not suffer??
@Mr.Beant i don’t denounce the fact modern slavery exists and race plays a huge factor
@Mr.Beant i don’t denounce the fact modern slavery exists and race plays a huge factor
This video has inspired me to write my Sociology Final on the impact of the Model Minority on Asian and Black Personhood. Your video was very informative, captivating and truly introspective. As an Filipino immigrant, this spoke to me deeply as I have felt the weight of the Model Minority myth drive me to depression. I also witness a lot of Anti-Black sentiment in older generations due to the internalization of racist ideologies. It is sad and I'm glad you made a video that brings this problem up as it helps create bigger discourses that can hopefully one day amount to change.
hahaha, the comments are epic do you know the first time there was colorism in euriopa was when arabs and blacks colonized spain and blacks slaves were cheaper than whites slaves, there was a big fetichization too for whites sexual slaves, and it have effect today in england with sexual enslavement of young whites girls by pakistnanis.
When you work on it and publish it, please tell us so we can go read it
You done?
i remember 17 years ago, the time when we just immigrated from the philppines to the US, i was 13 and one of the first kids who talked to me was a black kid (who i'm still friends with to this day) the notion of racism was so foreign to me that i called him a "negro" because that's the filipino word for a black person... and oh boy, did i get in trouble for that, they had to call in my mom to explain to the counselor that it's just what we call black people in the philippines, lol... i think most people (i said most, not all) don't have malicious intent when they are being racist, specially in communities, it's just something that is fueled by ignorance
Negro is literally the Spanish word for black… but it’s been twisted into a derogatory word in English
As a Bengali-American, I appreciate this video so much! I've experienced smth similar to what OliSunvia experienced, in that I didn't think I experienced racism growing up. In reality, I just avoided thinking critically about it because in my very diverse neighborhood and school district, I'm considered light-skinned and "white", and therefore appreciated my proximity to whiteness. I definitely see what privileges I gained from my being light-skinned, but I didn't become aware of my race and ethnic features until I went to a high school full of white and East Asian kids in an very affluent school district (fell for the model minority myth, too). Whereas before high school, I saw maybe 3 white people in real life and my school district was poor (I went to a zone middle school full of black, Hispanic, Caribbean, and South Asian kids), in high school, I felt the full negative effects of internalized racism, classism, colorism, and bunch of other isms. Thank you, oliSUNvia, for making this video, and helping me come to terms with my experiences and putting them into words.
oh hey i’m british bengali
Ayy Bangladeshi American here 👌
isnt internalized racism just a symptom born out of the underlying knowledge that the host nation was created by another ethnic group`?
No
there's no such thing as a "South Asian". you bengalis are just not Asian
as a hmong person, thank you so much for talking about us. not many know us lol. i have been having to unlearn so many things i learned my entire life. even though there are many black people in my community, ive been taught that they are the worst type of people. anti-blackness is so common in the asian american community that it feels natural. it wasn’t until i actually had friends at school who were black that i realized they aren’t these creatures - they are people, like me. . i thank you for this video, it is very eye-opening
I'm glad you've come to realize that these people are simply people. I always wonder what the Asian Community thinks of Black people, do they tend to think we're all "creatures"? I've wondered this especially after my Lao boyfriend's mom was surprised he was dating me. She didn't explicitly mention me being Black but she did ask "I thought you were into Vietnamese girls?" (our area has a small Lao population). That kind of hurt lol...I wish she didn't see me as just my skin color. But a part of me felt maybe she was just asking a stupid question that some ethnic parents asks--besides, my mom would probably ask the same thing if my Black brother dated an Asian woman. Lol idk how to make of all this and idk why I'm ranting in response to your comment💀
@@midapita lol you’re stupid for dating one of these people now they think I might want one of them and I could never 😂 these people don’t like you… if you have kids with that woman you’re very selfish and deserve every thing that comes with it
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During the 1980s when hmong communities were coming in from southeast Asia to the United States, a few incidents here and there will establish someone's perception of a certain group of people. My grandparents ended up living in one of the poorest and high crime area at the time. That neighborhood happened to have more blacks who seemed angry all the time according to my grandparents.
The police visited that neighborhood 3 times a week for some sort of altercation or shooting. At one point a black teen got shot and laid dead on the sidewalk done by gang members. So my grandparents were always wary of black people.
My grandparents since then moved to a small town in the late 1990s. In 2018 My black friend came to knock at our door and my grandpa was too scared to open it. he asked me did they have the wrong house?
I told him that person outside is my friend. And he said ok so they are not going to hurt us?
And I said no.
My grandpa got stabbed in the 1990s in Milwaukee Wisconsin at the front door one night when he came home from work. Two black men were trying to come into the house. My grandma and the younger uncles threw plates and drove at the intruders off with brooms and a mop.
That lived in my grandpa's memory so he is terrified. But it also isn't right for him to judge all black people for a few that weren't nice to him.
I think the some older hmong generation have a hard time to change their mindsets because of past experiences. But it can be done slowly over time.
as a chinese person, I think our culture also encourages a lot of "mind your own business" mindset which is why racism or any form of subjugation doesn't talked about as much as it should be. I am also born in Singapore which was colonised by the British so the white supremacist mindset among the majority race(chinese) is so strong and there is a lot of discrimination against minorities such as the indian and malay races.
Ehrrrmm You are all racist tbh, Chinese, Koreans and the silent but still racist Japanese in the Far East Asian region. Yes there are exemptions but most and many of you are racist specially to the brown race (southeast Asian and South Asian) The brown race is the black of Asia.
It's funny cause here in Europe Singapore is set as an example of racial harmony between very different ethnic group
Imagine blaming white people for your own bigotry.
@alexgomez6723 Imagine not factoring in culture and experiences, lol. Also, misery loves company.
@@elchurro7540 That doesn’t disprove anything I said.
i love this channel is much. she talks about controversial issues with an open mind is fair and educated about and to EVERY group. best thing i’ve seen on youtube!!
Found your channel through foreign man in a foreign land. As an African-American man I have witnessed the dynamic between Asian and black culture first hand. At one point dated a young Korean woman. Her father once had a conversation with me that was just point blank he said " if you keep dating my daughter you're going to make her life more difficult because White Society is something you've both got to navigate and your black society will never accept my daughter and my Korean Society will never accept you" I was crushed. We still keep in touch on Facebook over the years she got married funny enough to a black guy and they have two children my wife is Jamaican and we have two children. When i have seen racial Prejudice from the other side being around a group of black people who said the projects that they once lived in the people over there now are a bunch of the Asians and I cleaned up that language up cuz that's not exactly what they said. I've been got into a verbal disagreement with one of them for using that kind of language because I said had a white person or an Asian person said the same about you when you were living there you would have been upset. And as a fan of Star Trek I am a big fan of George Takei who is Japanese American and as a young boy lived in the camps that were set up by American government for Japanese Americans something you mentioned in your video. just as many people talk about how black people once had their own prosperous towns that were economically independent and they were destroyed. Many Asian Americans including George's father had their own businesses in predominantly Asian neighborhoods and they had their businesses homes taken away from them and after they were released from the camps they didn't give any of it back. I remember working with a young man who was Indian and he had no problem dating white girls but one day he saw a black man and an Indian woman who were a married couple with their two children and he didn't even try to hide his disgust. You made a phenomenal video in between you and foreign great job
Are you talking about Fort Greene projects in Brooklyn, NY. Just out of my curiosity.
Did you talk to the Indian guy? Say that thinking was wrong?
but if you were white my guy, youd get the rolling red carpet out for you.
Once they date a black guy, Asian men don't want to date them anymore so they end up dating/marrying a black guy again.
@@mandalorianhunter1 to be honest I didn't even really bother talking to him that much after that he wasn't the person I thought he was. One of my friends from India damesh told me he said Prejudice he said just think about religious how they had the partition that led to having India and Pakistan be two different nations.
Anyone else watching this that is half black half asian? Being both black and Korean sucks. It's like you're not black enough to pass as not mixed to black americans, and you're not asian enough to ever be considered asian by asian americans. Then people will make race jokes or speak illy of other races and say it's ok because you're "not really black" or "not really asian." Also, I feel like people will associate certain negatives or positives about you to each race if that makes any sense. For example, athleticism or academic ability you possess gets reduced to a "must be your black half" or "must be your asian half" joke at some point by friends or acquaintances and stuff. Race jokes are made about everyone so it isn't that deep, but it just gets kind of tiring hearing them consistently when you're also told you don't really belong to those groups.
Thanks to anyone who reads this rant. It just gets tiring sometimes man. Feels like I have to prove I'm black, or prove I'm asian, when I shouldn't really feel like I have to prove anything other than the fact I'm human. I guess it is human to separate into groups based on physical or ideological traits though.
Shout out to the mixed-race struggle, lucky for us, even if we're never enough X or Y for some, we're just the right amount of everything to be us.
@@ElTeacherJ exactly! if belonging was dependent on race I wouldn't want it anyways.
Yeah, I’m also half black half asian. I’m black and Chinese, though. I find it interesting how the enmity between Asians and black people is also reflected in my parents’ relationship. It does get tiring. It sometimes feels alienating like no side of my family wants me. I can definitely relate.
I'm a black brother to tell you don't even worry about other people think of you
This is by far the best video on your channel, and it was really annoying that they got it age restricted
Came here from Foreign's video and wow, this is the first time I've ever had to click a disclaimer to watch a video even though I was already logged in!
I also commented on Foreign's video. But my experience as a Black American, Blacks feel minimized and marginalized. The majority of my personal experiences with Asians, up until college, had been from Chinese take out, beauty supply stores, nail salons and the Koreans who owned clothing stores. The ownership of those businesses did cause resentment. I've always heard a lot of, "Well I have the money and the idea. Every time I go for a loan I'm denied. Unless I leave the area. But let an Asian come in and they can buy or open whatever." Especially in the 80's and 90's. On top of that, there is distrust from the fumbling of Reconstruction, the destruction of successful Black communities such as Black Wall Street and Rosewood. The signing of the Civil Rights Act, and that rainbow of people involved pretty much saying hold your own nuts, after everyone got what they wanted and took advantage of it. So there's already a sentiment that people will latch on to our issues, and then leave us hanging. So don't go being all kumbaya with the anti-Asian violence, because they'll discriminate against you too. There's resentment there, and it all stems from issues that this nation doesn't want to properly address.
are u fucking fr on your last point? gtfo
Racismo, discriminación, sexismo. The three are part of a same big problem. Saludos from méxico. Love you olivia
Or the class struggle
Yeah the victimhood mentality that you’re all living with
Watched this after watching Foreign’s video, and both of you provided so much insight and introspection 😊 I’m so grateful I watch his and your video, because I learned so much :)
Wow I am just floored and brought to tears behind this video. Thank you… this was well needed ❤❤❤
As a brown skinned (India ) Asian person it’s been really interesting recognizing anti blackness and the way it specifically pervades my communities. As I’ve gotten older I’ve learned to recognize the ways in which anti black rhetoric has been normalized in our communities.
This video was a great primer on the ways this happens in immigrant communities and what we can do to solve it
What about the other way around east asian, African are pretty much racist to indians but whites behaviour are better in usa not so in eastern Europe
just like how black people are anti-cop because cops have been killing/assaulting black people, Asians (particularly elderly ones) have been killed/assaulted by black people in the US
@@aiswaryabersan7983 girl what?
@@ml5923 she means that East Asians and Africans are pretty much racist to Indians (generalisation) but the whites in the USA have good behaviour (in relation to being racist) unlike white Eastern Europeans.
@@ml5923 the person you're replying to is saying that black people can be racist too. is it really that shocking to hear? have you seen news about asians being attacked in new york? guess which race was doing the attacking?
I was born in South Korea and was adopted at 3 months old to a US family (white mom, half Korean dad) and for most of my life I've wished to be white. Even when my dad, who spent part of his childhood in Korea, tried to share the culture with me, I refused it because I wanted to fit in. I'd usually try to dampen the blows of racist jokes by telling them first or laughing at them, neither of which were healthy and caused a lot of shame and insecurity at the cost of the illusion of control. Only recently have I started to see my appearance as just a part of me, not all of me, but it's for sure a work in progress.
when it comes down to the wire, where one ACTUALLY comes from is the only important thing. i recommend immigrating to the land of your ancestors and connecting with you actual self, not this skinsuit
@@fritzkuhne2055 there is something deeply broken about how you’re trying to bring others down like this based on race
Thanks K201 for the explaination because my BS meter went off but I could not figure out a reason "why" this "just" happened in UGANDA because they have other pressing national affairs going on. This blacklash makes sense. The US export of LGTBQ+ culture at hyperspeed makes sense. I definately don't agree with the legislation, but the problem is people today are impatient and don't think things through.
That's really sad, But that's all internal and you cant blame anyone else for your own racial neurosis.
I'm adopted too and I've always just felt like my genetic ancestry doesn't mean anything. I am descended from the culture of my parents not the blood of people who didn't want me.
had to make a whole other account to watch this video because it was age-restricted. really enjoyed it though, and even though i probably shouldve watched foreign's video and then yours back to back, it still helped me learn about both sides of anti-blackness and asiaphobia in the adjacent communities, as a young black kid. great videos!
This video was an instant subscribe. Thank you for shining a light on this little known part of history and culture.
This was quite an eye opening video. I am half white/ Korean myself, the son of a white American man and a Korean woman. It has become clear to me that I moved from the embracing the "black" identity into the "white" identity some time in college. As I progressed more and more into academics (I just finished my phd in STEM), the people around me slowly shifted from 1st generation college students in minority families to whites and wealthy immigrants that were following in their parents footsteps. Naturally, the culture and social dynamics changed around me slowly, from 50%+ of my close childhood friends being black (and most of the others being a minority) to nearly all of my friends being white. It was like one day I woke up and realized I was in a different world.
Building off of the fetishisation video, I have also had the interesting experience of having my physical features transition from being completely un manly/ unattractive to being very popular amongst any random girl at a party that's into kpop. I can't say I enjoyed either experience, if I'm totally honest. And I relate hard to that sense of wanting to be white, blonde, and blue eyed as a child, as early as the age of 6.
To be fair to whites, Koreans are one of the racist countries in the far east. So it’s not just the influence of whites, they really are racist to outsiders specially to brown races like Indians, Thai, Filipinos and other southern regions where brown colored- skin is predominant. If your half Korean but not half Europeans you are still an outsider. The same with Japanese and Chinese. But Japanese are more polite so they don’t express it as direct as Koreans and Chinese.
@@whitepouch0904 half Europeans also get bullied and Whites arent treated all that much better. Tons of Expats constantly hate on Korea because of this and tooo be quite honest im okay with it. Im tired of White Supremacy worldwide. Korea is the only place i feel safe.
I've always found the "Asians are smart" thing interesting because my hyper specific experience of growing up in west Africa means I always competed with other Black kids. I grew up in a culture of black people pushing education much the way Asians are said to. So when I emigrated and was in the top classes where Asian and black kids dominated with a few kids of other races, at best I thought, "Asians are as smart as us". Took a few years to realise that most of the world had never seen those rich, intelligent black kids I saw or the poorer ones I encountered after moving. Till this day it's crazy to me that anyone would argue black people aren't intelligent.
And I also noticed how the less successful black kids in the school happened to often be those raised in the UK, or occasionally immigrants who fell into those crowds. And there was definitely rhetoric from my mother that said that the black British kids were to be avoided somewhat.
Legal immigration in the US is an entirely different beast from immigration in the UK, due to the empire
My South African Xhosa-speaking Mother told me to stay away from West African cause y'all here to sell drugs and steal our jobs...
I really appreciate you making this video. Watching this made me think of all the ways I've found that Asian American history and Black American history are intertwined. Asian American activists partnered with and supported the Black Panthers. Yuri Kochiyama (a Japanese American activist) became friends with and in some ways a student of Malcom X and also how Asian American shop owners filled a void for Black residents who were discouraged from or barred from shopping at the mostly white-owned local establishments. Our past, present, and futures have always been bound up together. I honestly think real change is possible, but maybe the only impactful way forward is for us to look within and interrogate all the ways this white-supremacist society has traumatized us into hating ourselves and each other.
white-supremacist?
Even back then White people was KINDA smart because since day 1 Whites said to themselves - hell if we let ALL these other races combine and let them ALL flourish we Whites will go extinct in no time.
I am speechless. This is such an important and informative video for EVERYONE to see. New subscriber! 👍
The worst part is that they first treat them shit and look down on them and when they try to fight back they suddenly become a 'danger' like seriously
because they fight back the wrong people. If police is the problem fight the police,don't destroy the city you live in, it will make everyone in that city hate you instead of hating the corrupt police. If a company is racist towards you sue them.
@@newnewmee44 I agree with you completely
The thing is that both sides can be right and wrong at the same time so they should change perspective to know the others view too
The thing Is about that danger label, it was put on us way before the rise of crime in black communities and protest .
I saw Foreign's video first and was already blown away by it but this really tied a lot of things together. This was an epic effort on both your parts. This was a great breakdown about anti-blackness within our community and it's my hope that more of our Asian diaspora friends can really watch, listen and digest all your points. I'm nearly 40 as an Asian american and I wished there was content like this when I was younger. Thank you both for making this happen!
It's ridiculous that this video is so restricted... like why? Anyway this was great, I'd love to see these topics explored even more.
Found you via FD sig. This is BRILLIANT work..well done!
I've been waiting for a long time for someone to make a video on this topic! Thank you so much your hard work 💜💗
A good point you made in Foreign Man's video that I didn't see in this video, Olivia, is that the representation of black people in media was awful and limited to like drug dealers and other terrible roles.
Then, you get the Asian immigrants that have never seen a black person in real life, that comes in the country with the only images of black people are criminals, it's understandable that there was anti-blackness in the Asian community. Awful, but understandable. I'll go even a step further and say that even without the influence of media, ignorance alone is enough causes for fear and hatred. Not saying it's right, but it has to be acknowledged.
All that said, it affects mainly the first generation of immigrants. I just felt like adding something (that you already mentioned) to this very well made video!
Yep, this even happens to white rural kids in America. They grow up with a false idea about black people or any other race. As you say, one of the big problems is the racial generalizations from the media, which is essentially telling lies about everyone.
Because those Asian people could have only seen Black people on TV? They weren't seeing them in their everyday life?
It's not understandable. It's fear and it's not to be indulged
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Literally turn the TV on and you can quickly see who will become the "bad guys." Media coverage is weird so it can be understandable in some twisted way bc it can manipulate
@@dreyes397 i accept
I listened to your entire video. You are so right from the beginning to the end. More people should hear what you and others on this video have said.
The best approximation I can make to the Asian "positive stereotypes" is being a black track athlete in collage. The only positive stereotypes black people have is sing, dance, and play sports. So when I was playing sports everyone loved me I was an "exemplar of my race". But wen I got injured and couldn't run at the same level as before I just felt like I was defective or inadequate like my entire self-worth evaporated. so I can imagine any "Asian" kid who feels by default that he/she should be smart then falling short of that would experience something similar. The positive stereotypes are only good when you achieve then and thus embody what you are assumed to be, but they make any deviation from that an you are other.
Lol you people must have been at an all white school smh
As a white mexican that has lived in the U.S. I can somewhat relate to the video, it is so weird that diversity is seen as a binary. Also it is so incomprensible to me that they see latin america as one place, given that the countries are so different,they think all latinamerica is méxico and mexico is so different than other countries like Argentina and Colombia, kind of like japan and China is seen as all Asia(I don't believe that's true tho).
That always had me a headache. Simply because they all speak spanish. But that is not always the case. They also look at Mexicans as Native Americans.
@@AlgonquianPatriota0521 and native americans are chinese... descended from ancient cave tribe from china
@Naikomi no shit
@@AlgonquianPatriota0521 most latinos and mexicans are native americans or are mixed with native americans
@@AlgonquianPatriota0521 imagine when Brazil comes into? We are literally erased from being latin just cause we don't speak spanish. And the whole idea of "latino" being a race is also stupid, latin american people come in many shapes and forms, in fact, Brazil has the biggest japanese population outside of Japan due to immigration. But still some people belive that it's a race
I'm so glad someone has finally started talking about this. Black people and us Asians have to stick together! 🤝🤝🤝
Like she said Asians think they’re better
YES everyone should stick together and fix problems in between, and I really hope one day we can live in a world with minimum racism
Maybe stop fucking burning down their shops then
Agreed! The Black and Asian community have been at odds against each other for so long. I really believe that the cultural exchange between each of our groups could be so beneficial and useful🙏🏾
@Max შემიწყალე White people are making them do that or something.
This was a really well researched and carefully considered presentation. Thank you for shinning a light on this matter and being brave enough to talk about this. It would be easy for you to not do so, and so I want you to know that I am grateful for your honest and authentic articulation of this complex topic. I trust that your video will enlighten anyone that watches it to completion. I will certainly be using it as a reference. And I hope that it leads to better relations between our communities.
This comes at the perfect time as I'm reading a collection of essays on Antiblackness and there's even a section on precolonial Korea and other parts of Asia
Colonial Korea?????
@@Daniel-ih4zh precolonial Korea I misread the title
@@ChrisBrooks34 but what is colonial korea? Do you mean when the japanese colonised it?
@@Daniel-ih4zh that's what my reference point was but like I said I misread the title and unfortunately I haven't gotten to that essay yet.
Some of these comments are just showing the points of the video
Some of the comments are showing people have different opinions. And no, discrminating X race for another is racism. You either support racism or you’re against it
@@kant.68 Some comments are also racist (and you just can't not defend them can you?)
The way she articulates her words so that me and other viewers can truly understand the problems with our society is perfect and from all the news reports I’ve seen they’ve never explained anything like this with as much detail shown in this video. This was truly an eye opening experience.
I can relate to the immigrant anti-blackness. Immigrants often come with privileges because you need to be at least middle class to be able to afford to move to another country. So yes being a foreigner has its challenges but it's a far cry from systemic oppression.
Yup. Let's not forget about the class component. The reasons immigrants can even be models minorities is because they are not poor. The immigration system is literally a filtration system. The whole point is to try and pick people they want to come. But if the primary immigration channels have less class discrimination, the more society looks down on them. Look how ethnicities that immigrate largely through refugee status are treated and seen as. I mean that is why a huge reason why Latinos are looked down on. Because poor Latinos also have the ability to come to the United States.
Not in the 90s you didn't lol
My mom came here with nothing but I already had a grandma here so we used to pool our money living cramped. Some immigrants come with some money others come here with norhing
@@dreyes397Thatd not happening anymore. The rely on the lottery system.
The way racism is only brought up as a black and white thing is just absurd There are many other ethnicities and races that have gone through similiar troubles like latinos , hispanics, asians, natives, etc yet it’s less talked about.
YES those problems kinda intertwined together,we can see more clear view if we include other races
I speak on racism involving Asians all the time.
But who's doing that? If Ted Cruz is doing the talking, you know there's something wrong.
@@edwardlegend1564 I think every race is discriminated against . The media/society has a way of discussing certain topics without covering the full problem, same with abuse in both gender , hunger and mental health
@@spotlightspanther yeah, but in different degrees. It's really complicated
17:44 this quote hit hard.
as a child of filipino immigrants, i fear that i will live as unfulfilled as they did. that their merit will amount of nothing, and i will be left with this burden. the burden that i’m the reason they lived to be unfulfilled. that they willingly traversed adversity and exploitation to ensure my betterment for me to turn out the same way they did. :(((
Phenomenal work!
I am a Black man now based in Japan and I a so impressed by your video.
Also, my favorite part came near the end where you introduce Yuri Kochiyama and Grace Lee Boggs.
I liked Ms. Kochiyama's "fight the power" raised fist picture.
This is history that I never ever heard about while growing up.
You did excellent here!
UA-cam is working HARD to keep folks from seeing this video. Excellent work, fam. Thank you for continuing to speak truth to power.
I love all of your videos, as a mixed guy from the Caribbean that’s both African and Japanese this video resonated with me even in my country because I’m more African passing and literally we feel the effects here
I mixed and in the Caribbean too !❤
first gen Filipino American (family moved when I was 4). idk how I didn’t find this video sooner, as I’ve been watching you for a while now, but I’m glad I did. you managed to put into words so many things I’ve felt growing up. thank you for everything you do
21:05 forgot the study but it was about how in an instance where kids were asked the choose which fill would be more successful the majority chose the white dolls over the black dolls. It's like Asian Americans have that shared memory of oppression in reverse they'll always been told how smart they are so now it's become internalized
I feel the prime example for dividing populations of color by white institutions could be seen in colonial and post-revolutionary latin america where the white spaniards/portuguese would create a racial hierarchy for the african & native american people. I see the “racial hierarchy” in America being loosely based on the iberian caste system. I dunno food for thought!
"Loosely based on", what??
They’re relatively identical. Both places were colonized at the same time by similar western European nations. Anglo America (including Canada, the US, Jamaica, etc) had their own racial caste system that can mirror those in Latin America.
@Naikomi you’re painting europe as an amazing anti racist or less racist place when in reality they’re both shit and ass arguably europe is worse also spain and the brits worked hand in hand during colonialism
Sim! Eu sou brasileira, e aqui a etnia está sempre relacionada à cor de pele. A minha mãe é preta, com traços negroides e o meu pai é branco com "traços" de branquelo mesmo. Quando eu era menor, meus cabelos eram quase crespos e minha pele era "parda" e com o tempo foi clareando e o meu cabelo foi cacheando! Bom, eu fico imaginando que se eu morasse nos EUA, seria considerada facilmente birracial, mas no meu país, eu sou branca. Vejo muitos invalidando o racismo amarelo usando a questão do colorismo (e advinhe, muitos amarelos não tem pele branca) com a ideiade minoria-modelo e para continuar a zuar seus traços e sua cultura...
I really appreciate you this video. I especially appreciate you pointing out how some amongst non-black people of color express resentment for a perceived benefit or attention that African Americans are getting as if that attention, definitely not benefit, is the result of some benevolence of whites and not actually linked to the proportion of black suffering and the profound amount of work and courage demonstrated by black folk and their allies. I always find it interesting and infuriating when someone non-black (even poor whites) express frustration with black folks calling out their oppression. They are pretty much saying “we got it bad to.” “Why are you complaining”. When what they really should be saying is “we getting our ass kicked too, let’s fight side by side”.
Because asian don't you guys agree with white
Coming from fd signifiers video with you because I failed to get a notification for this!!! Didn't know it existed, but sure to watch now~♡
This is my first visit to this channel, and it bares watching more of the content, but based on this video, you (she) is a very knowledgeable person. Kudos's on a very fair and researched topic.
I loved the editing, the delivery, the thought of including others opinions, fantastic Olivia this was really interesting to watch.
the video was great, but i'm a bit miffed from the fact that there was little to no mention of the south east asian and south asian experiences, and 99% of the video was about chinese, korean, and japanese people. south east asians and south asians have a long history in america, and their relations with blacks.
I kind of noticed that in foreign’s video as well, despite the caribbean having an indo-caribbean population with a long history, they weren’t really mentioned either. These communities are close to each other and have a long history of animosity but also mixing together, to the point that there’s specific terms for the offspring these relationships result in.
Also I’m not sure if you’re black or not but saying blacks, when you’re not apart of the community can be a little derogatory. Perhaps try saying black people instead?
But oliSUNvia did mention herself how the majority of Asia is erased in discussions of the "model minority" and reduced to China/Japan/Korea, (around 19:59, and at other points as well). That myth is the focus of her video, so it's understandable why those are the experiences highlighted here.
In my opinion, discussion of other culturogeographic regions of Asia (West Asia, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Central Asia, Northern Asia, what have you) and their relations with the Western world are an entirely different discussion in themselves, because those stories are suitably complex to require individual focus, rather than lumping them together. And that's exactly what the Western world will try to do (I live in the United States, so I'm using that government as a frame of reference) -- they will use "Asian American" as an umbrella term and cast it as WIDE as they possibly can! (And just ignore everyone who isn't suitable to the narrative.) But from a critical, progressive standpoint, we should seek to *avoid* that kind of behavior, so one could argue that it's better to isolate specific Asian experiences in every discussion, since they vary so widely.
That said, I think a separate video or discussion on Asian experiences OUTSIDE of the model minority myth would be fascinating.
@@DeborahGoldenflower i agree with most of what you say, but as a south asian person i do still feel like the model minority myth applies to our communities. i’ve always felt that pressure to get the best grades, get into a good college, and have a good job. as i know many of my friends, who were both south asian and east asian, felt the same way.
@@angie578 Hi. Not Asian. I have always associated the model minority myth with the white gaze, or how white people perceive Asians. Do you think white people associate South Asians with the model minority myth? I don't think they do.
@@productioninquiry8937 I'm not south Asian myself rather a south east Asian in a western country, so I can't speak on behalf of @angie or their experiences.
I do feel the mm myth is initially pushed through the lens of white people. However since this white perspective is as the video says considered the default or correct view that should be considered. It becomes a view adopted by these groups as the norm. The myth creates infighting between poc; and still rests on anti-black mindsets. Personally imo it feels like a position where individuals placed in the binary of being "not white", are trying to use this academic or financial success to boost themselves in a position equal to "white" or at least higher than other non whites. It's like a crab trap, we all fail in trying to drag ourselves out.
South Asian and east Asian cultures also share high priority on academic success, as well as honouring of the family. So personally I have seen and can see how even those not explicitly singled by the myth still act within its bounds.
I'm not sure if I got all that out clearly since this is partially from my own experiences; and i'd be super appreciative if anyone else had their own perspective on this matter they wanted to add:)
this video is so good, thank you for taking on complex things like this and saying the harsh truths.
the way some of these ignorant comments are proving her point 💀💀💀
~12:00 is an interesting point, and something I would have never realized as a black person. Whether I liked it or not there was always a option for me. I could not imagine having to choose between two binaries created by white supremacy, neither of them a fit.
"two binaries [whatever that means) created by white supremacy" you say as olivia declares someone saying the nword is result of them trying to claim black identity (a dichotomy *she* imposes) and not just someone using language they group up around. Real high iq social commentary right here.
This is a big problem in Mexico, and people are oblivious to it, they have no sense of belonging if they have any trace of native genes, that only Mexicans can spot...
This is a collab I never knew I wanted! you are both fantastic ❤️
I really appreciate the effort you put in this video. Thx
All i can say is Wow! Wow! And Wow! What a well researched, well delivered and truth full lecture on this topic. I was educated a lot more on the overall top of what it really means when I hear the terms Black, Colored and Minority. I have had a superficial understanding of them in the political sense as you mentioned and clarified but you gave me a more concise and profound understanding of the terms as you did with the whole topic
In essence you have re-educated me. From now on, I will move forward better equipped when discussing this topic. You were also very engaging and captivating. Thank you
This video deserves so much more attention!! Amazingly well done!!!
I love this video Olivia, it's one of your best! The ending was really beautiful. Only complaint was that I feel like you didn't talk enough about the experiences of the south Asian or middle eastern or "Brown" communities. Who in society's eyes are undeniably different then East Asians. Brown people are definitely seen as "blacker". This is due to the darker skin and that historically, the orientalism that brown people faced was different( not entirely but still) to East Asians. This seems to be the reason the brown kids of today align with black culture so much. This racism really was noticed by society when 9/11 happened, which was a huge part of Asian American history, which I can't believe you didn't mention. Hate crimes and speech were being targeted towards brown people, who were vilified. The effects from those still linger today, I mean tell a white person your from Iraq,Iran,Pakistan, or especially Afghanistan the subtle distrust on their face if your a man or a weird pity if your a woman, which is linked to islamophobia. This leads to a weird divide in the Asian American community high is caused by generalizing us even if we don't know it, which is a product of a white supremacist society. Anyways love the video I hope you make more like these.
yes, there is so much i didn’t touch on!! but sadly i don’t personally know as much about those communities :( i’m glad you’re bringing it up in the comments though
I think your comment kinda explains why we were not mentioned; it's such a different situation that it deserves its own video
@@oliSUNvia Hi Olivia. I don't know if you'll see this but you must understand. This video platform and the other major social networks are run by the SAME pale supremacist that have been trying to dominate the world for the last 2000 years or so. It is in their DNA at this so they will do whatever the can to hold onto it.
Sorry had to speak in code.
Amazing analysis!! Your videos never cease to inform about complex topics in a meaningful and objective manner. Keep up the great work!
i love how you guys did these two videos together.
One interesting aspect of this, I think, is how the idea of Asian proximity to Whiteness is used today to overtly support White Supremacism. My younger more ignorant self went through a bit of an alt-right phase many years ago, and one thing that struck me is how people use the Asian community to deflect criticism against the White community today, particularly in regards to issues like equal access to education/affirmative action and crime rates. Regarding the LA Riots, there was a certain romanticism surrounding the 'noble Korean shopkeepers defending their property with their second amendment rights from marauding Blacks' that I came across in multiple videos. So ironically, where historical White supremacism sought to deny the 'opportunity' of assimilation to the Asian community, today I find it utilizes the narrative of the model minority to further the cause of White supremacy and anti-blackness. It does this by drawing parallels between the White and Asian experience while denying its similarities to the Black experience, or even in certain circumstances, it pushes ideas of Asian supremacy, especially when it comes to ideas around IQ and education, to deny the idea that White supremacy even exists.
why do you quote opportunity?
Can you point me to any video about the rooftop Koreans that emphasize the race of the rioters? I've seen quite a few videos about the rooftop Koreans but they've never been used to sow discord among minorities.
@@asianlifter Oh those aren't quotes, I put commas around it to emphasize it as I understand assimilation isn't an opportunity, per se, even if it was likely framed as such at the time. Apologies if that was unclear, I don't mean to imply it's positive or quote anyone in particular.
@@jayzor1911 Honestly, it's been many years, so I can't recall what videos I saw and I have no idea if they're still up. If I come across them again, I'll post a link
@@jayzor1911 you can easily find videos and people discussing the race of these people online, maybe not commonly on youtube but theyre everywhere, especially among the far right
i love this video so much as an asian who grew up in a dominately black and hispanic area!! i really hope this blows up and gets the recognition it deserves!!
Insightful, really materialised a lot of thoughts that I had for some time
I really appreciate the information shared in this video. Thank you for reminding us that there is so much more that unites not divides us.
Appreciate the work and effort you put into every video!
This is so thought provoking. This is a life a experience that I can't relate to from my back ground but it's eyes opening. Thank you for sharing this
"BEAUTIFUL" commentary...
Thank you for your spot-on, in-depth analysis!
I swear this channel is so underrated, I love your videos ❤❤
Foreign sent me here, but I was already here because I have excellent UA-cam taste ;-). Thank you guys for making this collaboration, from a long time subscriber. May it help bridge our ostracized communities.
Thank you so much for putting this video out!! I experienced this minority hatred between Asian and blacks all my life. I grew up dominantly in an Asian household but have never been fully welcomed into the Asian community. I am supposed to identify as a first generation Asian American, however, my Black mix has constantly prevented me from fully fitting into my family’s culture and the Asian community. I am always seen as less and unpure by the Asian community and viewed as a commodity or labeled “exotic” by others. As a child who always just wanted to fit in somewhere, I tried joining the Black community. The Black community was definitely more welcoming, however, I have always felt some sort of distance or more like I didn’t fully belong there and that I was intruding.. My family didn’t like when I got close to my Black side even my mother who was half black. I still struggle with finding a community or culture that I can truly belong to and be fully welcomed.. it sure doesn’t help that the two minority communities has racist thoughts against one another. Thank you again!!
welcome to the black indigenous community....... we deal with the same thing.. though we just blend into the larger black community like some secret society ish yo.. only time we're vocal is if our family band is suing the tribal gov't for a treaty/law violation cuz yea pure blood natives hate black natives lol. they wanna be white too.. that's basically the situation for all POCs it's a race to be king of the bottom all while shitting on black folks... choose your side precisely... Go with the side that lacks a certain solidarity towards handling white supremacy or choose the side that has historically dealt with it and despite the setbacks, have managed to do more with less. I won't explain which side is asian and which side is black but I think you can figure it out.
This was well structured and very honest. Great information.
One of my best-life long friends is Chinese-American, and I'm Black-American. We met in high school in 2002, and 20 plus years later, we are still great friends. I was able to go to her wedding three years ago, and she's even a mom now. I'll be flying back to the USA and seeing her again since we'll be attending another mutual friend's wedding (he's Filipino-American). I'm glad that we still share a strong friendship despite the tension that exists between certain contingents of the Black, and Asian-American communities.
Same ,my best friend Chinese. At 1st his mom was scared but then she realized that I was a good person. And for many years now she considers me 1st among all his friends and invites me to the family. But in general I've never seen personally the black asian tension, only recently in the last few years I heard it cuz I have many Asians friends.
I came here from Foreign's video. New sub.
Great analysis Olivia. Thanks for the video. I appreciate your research and facts.
thank you for watching!
I like this video so much
She explains such important topics in a very easy to understand way
Thank you
I find it so sad that us younger people hardly ever get exposed to things that let us understand how the world really is
Very well put-together and reasoned piece. Loved your searing insights and perspective. I am now subscribed and look forward to further discussion pieces from you.
I am Indian, My parents are not doctors or engineers. They were not immigrants, they came as refugees from Uganda. My dad was a factory worker, he worked 12 hour shifts in a hot dusty environment making felt that was used as insulation for cars. The work was exhausting and soul crushing and he did it for 40 years until he retired. My mother was a homemaker. Both my parents came from poor families, and niether one of them finished high school We lived in a low income neighbourhood We were Indian but VERY blue collar. and we were looked down upon by other Indians including the ones from our own Indo-Ugandan community because we were poor and not educated. I never did well in school, because I had learning disabilities, and struggled with mental health issues. Because of my poor grades I was labelled as a "Indian" failure. by other Indians. Literally any time I have a problem people are like "You are Indian you are suppose to be smart" So many Indians and even white people are shocked or almost angry when I tell them I am a high school drop out. (I have my GED certificate I took the test and passed) I have a lot of anger and resentment towards the Indian community and Asians in general for the way I was treated.
29:32 dude that’s literally a mic drop 😭 that was so good what an understandable way to put it
Fantastic video as always Olivia I love all the points u made especially abt the critical race theory segment u always seem to put the thoughts I have into words wonderfully
i think for a while i wasnt giving you enough credit as a creator, these videos are always very comprehensive and i like that youre trying to bring in relevant perspectives too. i like your very diy look for all of it most of all, you inspire me to create as well.
wow. this video really resonated with me, and it was almost crazy to hear someone talk about the nuances of asian american issues, i kinda thought no one else felt that way.
Such a great research !! Apreciate your insight
Im glad that you made this video! Im a black woman from Indiana - where there’s a rather small Asian population (i can only remember one Asian American girl that i had a class with in high school!) - and after moving to the Bay Area, working as a software engineer, and seeing more discourse and general interactions around / between the black and asian communities, I was extremely sad to learn of the extent of the tension between these groups. But seeing people like you and Foreign speak up on this from BOTH perspectives is super fucking heartwarming! From the bottom of my heart I appreciate this so much (i know in some circles these videos would be scoffed at and discarded out of ignorance or malice) and hope to see more reconciliation and unity between Asian and Black Americans in the future 💖
A black software engineer? That is an oxymoron, but then I'm a 91 years old retired engineer. I'm stuck in the old days.
Can’t help but smile when I see great creators collaborate
right. I'm over the moon - so many of my favs in one video