I have a traditional hot rod truck, but can’t afford a 15k paint job, so it’s mismatched patina for now. I’m slowly painting it myself, but not spending more than $500 on the paint job because it’s not important to me. It’s more important to get out and drive it and have fun. I don’t want to worry about it and actually encourage people, especially kids, to touch it. It’s nice to see all the smiles from folks as they get to actually touch the car at car shows unlike everyone else who’s afraid to get a fingerprint on their car. I meet so many nice folks and hear so many wonderful stories from the interactions. The guys that don’t like rat rods in this video seem like they have sticks up their asses and need to relax a bit.
Sounds to me like the same old thing, my grandfather use to have a melt down when he saw someone cut up a stock model A to make a hotrod, so you traditional hot rodders were the rat rods of that era. It don't matter: stock , hotrod , rat rod as long as YOU enjoy what you like to drive. There's room on the roads for everyone !
SIR Y0GG D'stinguish'D Gent. Most rat rods are not complete cars from the beginning tho. So are but from what I have seen it's stuff that all the guys that build the "clean" ones don't want. Either way as a car guy myself, i would never dis or talk shit about someones car or truck no matter what they built or have. The experience of the build and the fun u havr doing it or driving it, seeing what others have done with their cars is the hole reason I don't but so many people are caught up in the money value of it. That's not a car guy that's a businessman.
You nailed Glenn! Were all of the same family. We love the old cars! Just appreciate each others uniqueness and creativity. Thumbs up to all of you old steel lovers!
Glenn Sloggett watching some of this traditional builders talk shit makes me a bit mad, they just build something that looks like every other hot rod, rat rods are unique, and to me is building your own car, how you want it, if I build and pay for my shit your opinion don’t matter!!!
This is my first time seeing this video, and I can understand both sides of the story. But, if you go back to the early hot rods, they where really no different than the rat rods are today. In fact some of the old hot rods where worse because they didnt have some of the safety features that most rat rods have. But back when these guys where doing this, there where people who felt the same way towards them as the hot rod guys feel towards the rat rod guys. Im sure some guys said, oh look at what this guy did to that nice car, he chopped it all up and made it unsafe and ugly. They didnt like it because it was new or different or didnt fit in with what their idea of how a car should be. But if it wasnt for those guys, hot rodding would not have evolved into what it is today. Im not that into rat rods, but I respect them for what they are. As long as they are safe and not a threat to other people around them, thats fine. Some of these guys have some real talent and creativity into these cars. Many of them are no different than the shiny, fancy painted hot rods other than the paint job. I have seen some so called street rods or hot rods with fancy paint and all that, that I would not drive across the street because they are put together like crap. Just because they are painted and shine, does not make them a quality vehicle. And just because they have flat black or primer or no paint at all does not make them junk. Its all about being open minded, and the guys who outwardly keep saying they dont like rat rods and they are junk and so on, thats not open minded. So if these guys are so great, they should act the part and give the rat rods their due respect, because they are not going away any time soon. Thats all I got to say about that. lol Have a great day, week month or what ever, God bless.
People can built what they want.. It's called freedom! As long as they are not bothering us. Uniqueness and artistry comes from within.. We should respect each other.
Notice the difference in personality too most rat rodders are just like "Yeah whatever dude, it's cool. You do you." Whereas most trads are like "No FUCK YOU, you don't deserve to have a car!" 😂😂
Anyone can bolt brand new repro parts onto a factory hot rod and have a cool looking car but it takes a special guy who has the mechanical knowledge, engineering skills, etc to pull parts from 50 different things only half of which are automotive and be able to make them all work and become one functional car. I don’t think there’s a right or wrong way personally. If you like it when your done then you did it absolutely correct! There will always be folks that like it and folks that don’t regardless of which direction you went with so to me the only right way is the builder/owners way, nothing else matters
My Rat Rod is a Rat Rod, only because it's body is not completely finished. It's painted with spray cans. The interior is bare bones. I used some vintage parts, but, the suspension, brakes, chassis, and driveline are all safe, and dependable. No junk, but, no expensive body, and paint. Just my interpretation.
A Rat rod used to be a hot rod that a person with very limited funds used to build. It had everthing to do with budget. Hot rodders back then used to call them jalopies. They would go to wrecking yards and take parts off of cars that would increase the performance of their cars. Many times they would start with a car they purchased from the wrecking yard, so it was generally rusty or had a Wrecked front end or something like that,. So these kids would just remove the wrecked part, fix the motor, make it safe and just legal enough to drive, and take great pride when they would blow the doors off a "Hot Rod" with shiny new paint ,with chrome everywhere and fancy wheels. These cars are now called rat rods. That being said, the rat rods of today are becoming something completely different. They are more artistic, more personal expressions of what people think a cool car should be. I have no problem with that, as long as they keep saftey in mind when they are fabricating their cars.✌😎
To begin with I have been a hot rodder for longer than most people have been alive. Rat rods are the new controversy. They are just like the original hot rods. They are turning their backs on everything, and building cars that grab your attention because they are so different, just like the original hot rods did years ago. It took me a long time to figure out what they were about. They are today's rebels who stand in the face of tradition. I love them for this reason. There are people who say they aren't built well. This is pure poppycock, or BS if that makes more sense to you. People who say this are comfortable with hot rod tradition. The rat rod is more tradition than they are with all their brand new shiny Tinker Toys sent to them in clean white boxes. In building a traditional hot rod, you can buy everything you need and snap it together with a minimal amount of welding. With that said, I am still a traditional hot rodder. I don't want to leave what brought me into it the first place, but be sure you take a real good look, before you go about badmouthing anything. :-)
Driving a big, ugly, loud van I get all kinds of dirty looks, people roll their windows up, plug their ears, plug their nose, I just smile, it's all part of the experience. It performs well, it's built right and it's safe. I built every bit of it and I love it, that's what it's all about. Build something you can be proud of whatever it may be and just smile at the haters. There are plenty of people out there who will appreciate your vision.
As long as you enjoy building what you're building, leave the haters in the smoke, whether it be from your tires or those broken rings that cost you 2 quarts of oil each gas fillup.😁
Nice episode! I love Ratrod and Hotrods, I don't think either is better than the other! Besides if it aint your car then who gives a crap what anyone thinks about it! I build my ride for my tastes!
Funny thing, the hot rod purists are the only one's hating on other builds. A true hot rod enthusiast appreciates the hard equity anyone has in their car, no matter weather they would build or drive themselves. Cars are art ,if you can't see that then you are doing it wrong.
I build mine all new suspension and engine and trans but a little rough on body still primed and painted(not with roller). Save my money on body work and put in in to horse power. Still love them all rat rod hot rod and the street rod. Great video
I say to each their own. To me a nice hot rod depends on how much money you have to put into a car. Where a rat rod is or should be for the guy that is building a car out of what he has on hand. Both are pieces of ART !! But I do HATE rat rods that have tons of money into the build.
I like and build, rat rods, hot rods and low-riders. It’s all up to the person. I’m currently building what could be known as a rat-truck. It has the original parts but is beat up and rusty, it shows the life it’s had, plus I have no money for nice paint. I put nice welds on but it’s not a pretty truck to most people
I Love them all. I have a 2001 Viper, a 1950 Chrysler that's nice and a Rat Rod from 1974. Its a 1952 Henry J. Built it in 1974, no frontend, a 32 Ford rad. shell, forklift rad. 440 Mopar engine with a Cross Ram 2-4 intake. Still driving it today, Black primer bare bones interior. I could make it into a shiny Hot Rod but Love it just the way it is.
I hate how everybody puts a 32 Ford grille on fucking everything. Even seen it on a Harley-Davidson. Let's keep the 32 grille where it belongs: On a 32!
Car building is an expression of the owner, not everyone likes the same thing so as long as the owner likes what they have built it’s all good. In saying that safety should always be paramount.
Great to have met you at Downtown Showdown. Great first show. Dig the thought of what makes each of us tick in the kulture today... You pose some good debate in a very kool format. Look forward for more episodes. We subscribed for sure...
its interesting how the term "traditional" keeps getting thrown around. the lineage of hot rodding goes back to salt flats racing. take a look at some of those rigs, and tell me they didn't look a little rough, shabby, or out of place. it was function over form. an expression of who they were, while trying to run better, and drive faster. there's enough division in social circles these days...why do folks insist on the hate? accept it for what it is and move on.
I've done motorcycles for years, still have one, I also have a hotrod..the big difference for me is seeing how many people in the so called rod scene have their heads up their own ass..it's called a rod for a reason..the only thing I felt from the haters was jelousy..get over it. ratrods are cool too.
No kidding man. All the hot rodders in this video spent the entire time being salty bitches about rats. Meanwhile the rat rodders are just like "cars are awesome, no matter what you drive". Really shows which crowd I'd rather hang out with.
think a lot of people are mistaken, in the late 50's a rat was the best you could afford with the money and parts at hand. It was just as safe as it could be made and had all the love and skill you possessed, just almost no store bought parts as they were rare and expensive. now the Rods have become 1/4 million dollar erector sets and the Rats an expression of inner torment.
So, what did we learn from this? Traditionalist hot-rodders: Nothing but hate and derision for anything that isn't done their way. Rad-rodders: Hey, we love all cars. Aren't cars cool? Hot rods, rat rods, we love 'em all. Let's go mess with cars, have a good time and make something cool!!
I always thought you build a car that you want and one that you want to drive doesn't matter if its a hot rod or a rat rod as long as you like it thats the main thing i would like a hot rod that i didn't have to worrie about scratching or dinging in a shopping centre, i will build one one day.
So my Rat Rod is a 1936 truck turned pickup. Rusty, altered frame, totally home built. Driven to Bonneville speed week 8 years, 380 miles one way. Drives better than my 2002 Dodge pickup. But I built it to drive and drive well. All leaf springs and original layout added modern shocks. People ask when I'll paint it. I ask would you look at it longer if I did, they usually answer no. You lose all the character and history if ya paint em.
When I was a teenager in the late 60’s I had a 36 GMC with a Pontiac V8 with a 4brl carb and an auto! Primer paint and a wooden flatbed! It was unfinished , fast, rear brakes and unsafe! LOL what the hell I was 16 and bullet proof ! LOL
seems to me the “traditional” guys are the close-minded mean-spirited bunch whereas the rat guys are like “build whatever you think is cool” and have no animosity towards anyone 🤷♂️
I think there's hot rods, rat rods and freek builds. Hot roders are traditional skilled perfectionists, rat roders are broke and do what they can with what they have. Freek builds are mad, different, bold and often dangerous.
pinsboy just because someone builds a rat rod doesn’t mean they’re broke.. some people just enjoy the bare look.. some of us enjoy just building something in the shed and knowing we’ll be able to drive it and not have to worry about dirt and scratches or minor damage.. they have more character than most of the nice shiny fibreglass trailer queens out there..
@@tommys_chopshop9432 cool I didn't think of that. I was just thinking of my own perspective (I didn't have a lot of money but I had a lot of junk). I get it, it's just something you can have a bit more play about with and less worries.
Minimum wage was $1.25 an hr in 65. I worked at a rental place and in my grandmothers hotel. I earned my money to buy my car. Some kids were just given a car.
Wow , They get it... "Rat" Rods WERE the First HOT RODS . They Built a Car Motorcycle with the Parts they could Make Work. they have turned into something Completely Differnt. Cool just Different
I'm not a huge fan of hotrods or ratrods, but I respect them both. I'm more of a muscle car and European import car guy. But I was struck by all the haters in this video. These guys sound like a bunch of old men bitching about young people's music.
I don't think rat rod was coined in the 90's? I remember an old cartoon about a car family the father and mother were taxi's and the son wanted to be a hot rod. When the father seen his son transformed he called him a rat rod 😁
Some of these guys are what me and my father in law call car Natzis . Rat rods are not junk. Just because it’s not shiny and “perfect” doesn’t make it junk. There’s a place for both. I’ve seen some really smooth great looking cars that were junk, barely ran and stopping and steering was not a priority. Then I’ve seen rat rods that were were perfect mechanically, daily driven, never broke down, steered stopped and would blow the back tires off if they wanted to. Show in shine is good, I have one. But I want a rat, too!!!
If you look at it in the 40 & 50 vetran went to a junk yard and got parts and build there own thing to me that is traditional hot rods it started there my name is Andy I was born in 66 I grew up in a racing car family.
Almost any old car that someone puts his creativity and time is is good. Restorers hate them all, lol. Traditional was born out of the post WWI & WWII. Ford’s, Then T ‘s metal glass. customs, Restorods, Street rods, now rat rods it’s the evolution of individual tastes. But no matter what style they must be safe and portioned gets the thumbs up
I'm 61 and I know a little about rat rodders they didn't just cut the fenders off every car, those were the most beautiful things on them it takes a lot more to build any kind of hot rod than just cutting the fenders off of it ,I think it has more to do with nobody has any sheet metal skills on the English wheel anymore , it's just so dumb looking like a bird without wings .
The guy at 6:30 said it best. A rat rod is an unfinished hot rod........cartoon cars, as long as it get noticed & you've got bragging rights.,anything goes. Build it good or build it good & rough. If your lazy, build a rat rod, pretty simple really!
Honestly, a lot of the cars being called rat rods aren't really rat rods! In my eyes a rat rod is a rusty old ratty street sign mobile! A primered hot rod isn't a rat rod! It's a 90's style traditional hot rod! ( in my eyes ) :)
ha ha mr nobody is right in the 70's we fixed the rust shot it with grey primer and drove it till we could afford paint old school is different things to different people
You can't experience what guys in my generation did. The world ain't the same. Build a car where ALL lowered cars are prone to being stopped and checked. I remember cops having a block about the size of a pack of luckys on a stick. He used it to check the ride height.
I personally like rat rods. Not sure why these people on the video are hating. They are still considered CUSTOM. Slightly disappointed in the community.
Who says a rat rod is built poorly? In my mind a rat rod is engineered well but put together using cheap or refurbished parts, with an all round unpolished and unrefined look, it's a style.
just because you throw some parts together and it moves under its own power dosen't mean it was engineered that way. or that its safe . but that can be said about any car i've seen some traditional hot rods that were just as dangerous as any rat rod.
Theres's the same discussion in different communities. In the motorcycle scene, the guitars world. I personally love difference.I just dont like what everybody have. I am unique, so are my toys.
Every era and object of hobby (or admiration ) has they’re “punk” , and they’re always hated ( and “could “ be admired in secret , by both party’s) , it’ll always be like that and always will ,
Nothing wrong with anything. I wish people that like cars stay more together! And help each other. No chance in switzerland to drive a hotrod on the streets. Regulations are so extreme now. And it goes worse and worse! Stay all together we have other problems now! Dont let custom work on cars goes away. In america its not that bad i know. But dont let this happen!
Here is the problem, when you work for years, spend tons of money, make a car perfect, & put on a $10,000 dollar paint job on the car, most people keep them parked in the garage, under a car cover, and don't drive them much. They trailer them to events. They become "Trailer Queens". They become afraid to drive them because they don't want to mess them up. In my case, I cant afford a $10,000 paint job, and I want to drive my car every day. My cars don't have to be absolutely perfect. For me, It's all about building it myself, driving it and having fun !
Let's just defuse this entire argument, Gene Winfield is arguably one of the best traditional custom builders around. To describe his first salt flat car adequately, think of the most stripped bobber you've ever seen, take away even more and cover it in rust and that was it. There's 1% of rat rodders that believe in shotty craftsmanship, Steve Darnell puts a superb amount into making crazy cars well. And to that wanker who says it's all about attention he's wrong, it's about personal preference and/or budget, I plan on building a traditional Model A after I've finished my '28 Chrysler/Dodge Tourer, and the only difference between the two will be a few coats of paint. Janky ass welds, uneven chops and poorly assembled bits and pieces never have a place on any type of rod.
It seems to me like there’s different types of rat rods, there the semi traditional old school kind, then there’s the so heavily chopped and channeled cars that can’t even be driven
Rat rods for the win in my book. I love mine. Its ME..but in vehicle form. Those who disrespect RatRods.....have Zero clue what the life is about. Not to call them down or anything...but....understand they are not crap.
The whole comment 'Setting out to build a piece of junk' is ridiculous. I have friends that built 'rat rods' and they took an old 47 Ford truck, etc and built what they had the money for. The time and effort they put into their cars was no less than someone who builds a so-called hot rod. The cars didn't have tons of cash dumped into them because they didn't have it. Their rat rods were very cool machines that they poured their blood, sweat and tears into without having to die in a mountain of debt. Yes they had rust. Yes they lacked a lot of the comforts of most hot rods. But they loved them none the less and enjoy them all the same. I say do what you like and stop with all the hate and holier-than-thou attitudes towards a culture that is just trying to do its own thing.
There are just as many (if not more) junky, hacked up hot rods as rats. I agree with a lot of the negative opinion of the HR guys, but I've seen enough WELL done rats to love them. The biggest complaint I usually have is making a nice bodied car into a junker, and a close second is the fact that 95% of the rat rod guys SUCK at choosing/making a nice looking grill.
There are only 2 kinds of ratrods, the ones that are built clean and respectable, and then the ones that are rusty, designed poorly, not practical and look like a pile of garbage welded together. My own opinion, I will never build a ratrod, but I do appreciate all creatiity.
My dad's very into both hot rods and stock classics and I love those too but rat rods are the only thing I'll be able to afford to make. A lot of the rat rodders around here have barbed wire and use old farm trucks because this is a farm community where I live and it's nostalgic. Kinda annoying when these guys at the car shows talk so much trash on the rat rodders. Makes them sound like get off my lawn crotchety old men or like they're better because they spent so much money. I know they're just set in their ways but it just looks bad
Fine, I suggest someone pick a venue divide it in half rat rods on one side shinney rods on the other and see where the most interest is... I know this is an old video but the haters got me irritated. Do your own thing, what other people do is none of your business. Funny though, I didn't see many rat rodders complaining about the show and shine folks. Hey show and shine hot rodders, do you think the restoration folks might have opinions on your destroying restorable cars? They probably consider many of your cars abominations. How would you answer them? I wish everyone could just have fun without judging what others do. Maybe divide that venue into three sections...
Rat Rods ARE traditional hot rods. It started with the rats, then someone got the idea that they had to put $30K into a paint job. Take what you have and run with it, not throw wheelbarrows of money at it. It's not what you buy, it's what you build.
I thick what get most the people who don't like Rat Rod are the ones who spent a lot of money on there car and go to the show with their car, and the people who are at the show pass by there car and run to see the Rat Rod both are nice i my self like them all so let face it you like what you like cool but hey lets don't knock the other mans ride
I think it's the guys who pay to have a shop build their dream for hundreds of thousands of dollars, only to find out nobody in his right mind will pay more than say $75k for it. And then they see the Rat guy build his car for $30,000 or less and either break even or make a profit on resale. Built>Bought.
I put the volume on mute so I could enjoy a video with awesome cars and trucks. I dont care if its a hot rod, a rat rod, a box on 24's, a truck with the Carolina Squat......if you enjoy working and showing your vehicle, it's cool to me. I may not like it, but I can respect it. Make it safe and enjoy it.
There should be NO controversy. Hot rodding IS do whatever you want, to hell with what ever anyone else says about it. ( besides, if EVERYONE likes your car............you're doing it wrong.)
There are poorly built hot rods and poorly built rat rods, and well built of both. Build what you want, how you want, so long as it's safe and done right.
Building a traditionnal, everyone builds a traditionnal, a rat rod has his personnal touch no one is the same. I don't get it why people hate a on them, but I do agree it must be safe firts like they said, after that you can whatever you want.
Lol sounds like the hot rod guys care way more than they should... Meanwhile the rat rod guys could care less and just want to build something they like. Each to your own.
I have never heard such automotive blubbering in all my life! There are so many statements made by the shiner guys in this video that are just plain wrong and sniveley. You guys need to file a hurt feelings report with the Automotive Carnuba Sniffers Club. 😂😂😂
To each his own! There is no right or wrong way to build a car, everyone has their likes and dislikes. Build how you want it and to hell with the haters. Haters are the losers that can't have what you do so they bitch about it. Build your ride and enjoy it.
I like rat rods and hot rods. but I like rat rods a lot better because they are more artistic and second of all you never have to wash them or worry about scratches in the paint
Should see my 60's bronco 4x4 lifted, Chevy 350 motor, 77 montie Carlo. Open front end full roll cage end to end...luv her lots... My hardtail bobber same way...they run good, maybe don't look so good to some,,,but I did it... They are all mine, won't find another like em....those fancy s. They're pretty, maybe one day I'll be rich enough,,,but not on chainsaw paying work...luv ALL HOTROD, RATRODS...gose for my Harley bobber too....
Hot Rods are not the Status of the Rich..Both can be built with the same Money as long as You are Patient and have the will to Complete the Project..Some People like their Cars Nice and Shiney and others their Cars looking like a Bucket of Rusted Parts..HotRods are What the Name Implies..Hot Looking & Hot Fast.
I have a traditional hot rod truck, but can’t afford a 15k paint job, so it’s mismatched patina for now. I’m slowly painting it myself, but not spending more than $500 on the paint job because it’s not important to me. It’s more important to get out and drive it and have fun. I don’t want to worry about it and actually encourage people, especially kids, to touch it. It’s nice to see all the smiles from folks as they get to actually touch the car at car shows unlike everyone else who’s afraid to get a fingerprint on their car. I meet so many nice folks and hear so many wonderful stories from the interactions. The guys that don’t like rat rods in this video seem like they have sticks up their asses and need to relax a bit.
Sounds to me like the same old thing, my grandfather use to have a melt down when he saw someone cut up a stock model A to make a hotrod, so you traditional hot rodders were the rat rods of that era. It don't matter: stock , hotrod , rat rod as long as YOU enjoy what you like to drive. There's room on the roads for everyone !
Glenn Sloggett ...really tho. my bro... im all about automotive... ROLLIN WERKS OF ART... should be respected as a whole!!!!
SIR Y0GG D'stinguish'D Gent. Most rat rods are not complete cars from the beginning tho. So are but from what I have seen it's stuff that all the guys that build the "clean" ones don't want. Either way as a car guy myself, i would never dis or talk shit about someones car or truck no matter what they built or have. The experience of the build and the fun u havr doing it or driving it, seeing what others have done with their cars is the hole reason I don't but so many people are caught up in the money value of it. That's not a car guy that's a businessman.
Glenn Sloggett could not have said it better myself!
You nailed Glenn! Were all of the same family. We love the old cars! Just appreciate each others uniqueness and creativity. Thumbs up to all of you old steel lovers!
Glenn Sloggett watching some of this traditional builders talk shit makes me a bit mad, they just build something that looks like every other hot rod, rat rods are unique, and to me is building your own car, how you want it, if I build and pay for my shit your opinion don’t matter!!!
This is my first time seeing this video, and I can understand both sides of the story. But, if you go back to the early hot rods, they where really no different than the rat rods are today. In fact some of the old hot rods where worse because they didnt have some of the safety features that most rat rods have. But back when these guys where doing this, there where people who felt the same way towards them as the hot rod guys feel towards the rat rod guys. Im sure some guys said, oh look at what this guy did to that nice car, he chopped it all up and made it unsafe and ugly. They didnt like it because it was new or different or didnt fit in with what their idea of how a car should be.
But if it wasnt for those guys, hot rodding would not have evolved into what it is today. Im not that into rat rods, but I respect them for what they are. As long as they are safe and not a threat to other people around them, thats fine. Some of these guys have some real talent and creativity into these cars. Many of them are no different than the shiny, fancy painted hot rods other than the paint job. I have seen some so called street rods or hot rods with fancy paint and all that, that I would not drive across the street because they are put together like crap. Just because they are painted and shine, does not make them a quality vehicle. And just because they have flat black or primer or no
paint at all does not make them junk. Its all about being open minded, and the guys who outwardly keep saying they dont like rat rods and they are junk and so on, thats not open minded.
So if these guys are so great, they should act the part and give the rat rods their due respect, because they are not going away any time soon. Thats all I got to say about that. lol
Have a great day, week month or what ever, God bless.
Building your own parts is a lot more satisfying than buying a bunch of parts and putting them together! Rat Rods Rule!
Watch your builds mate. You've got it going on.
Love your work
People can built what they want.. It's called freedom! As long as they are not bothering us. Uniqueness and artistry comes from within.. We should respect each other.
Notice the difference in personality too most rat rodders are just like "Yeah whatever dude, it's cool. You do you." Whereas most trads are like "No FUCK YOU, you don't deserve to have a car!" 😂😂
Exactly, those up tight hot rodders need to relax. I’m glad I didn’t spend $15k on paint and body work. They’re the chumps, not me.
Anyone can bolt brand new repro parts onto a factory hot rod and have a cool looking car but it takes a special guy who has the mechanical knowledge, engineering skills, etc to pull parts from 50 different things only half of which are automotive and be able to make them all work and become one functional car.
I don’t think there’s a right or wrong way personally. If you like it when your done then you did it absolutely correct! There will always be folks that like it and folks that don’t regardless of which direction you went with so to me the only right way is the builder/owners way, nothing else matters
My Rat Rod is a Rat Rod, only because it's body is not completely finished. It's painted with spray cans. The interior is bare bones. I used some vintage parts, but, the suspension, brakes, chassis, and driveline are all safe, and dependable. No junk, but, no expensive body, and paint. Just my interpretation.
And on top of that you are not afraid of putting a dent on it vs a high dollar hot rod
A Rat rod used to be a hot rod that a person with very limited funds used to build. It had everthing to do with budget. Hot rodders back then used to call them jalopies. They would go to wrecking yards and take parts off of cars that would increase the performance of their cars. Many times they would start with a car they purchased from the wrecking yard, so it was generally rusty or had a Wrecked front end or something like that,. So these kids would just remove the wrecked part, fix the motor, make it safe and just legal enough to drive, and take great pride when they would blow the doors off a "Hot Rod" with shiny new paint ,with chrome everywhere and fancy wheels. These cars are now called rat rods. That being said, the rat rods of today are becoming something completely different. They are more artistic, more personal expressions of what people think a cool car should be. I have no problem with that, as long as they keep saftey in mind when they are fabricating their cars.✌😎
I'm just happy to see younger people getting involved with the older cars.
To begin with I have been a hot rodder for longer than most people have been alive. Rat rods are the new controversy. They are just like the original hot rods. They are turning their backs on everything, and building cars that grab your attention because they are so different, just like the original hot rods did years ago. It took me a long time to figure out what they were about. They are today's rebels who stand in the face of tradition. I love them for this reason. There are people who say they aren't built well. This is pure poppycock, or BS if that makes more sense to you. People who say this are comfortable with hot rod tradition. The rat rod is more tradition than they are with all their brand new shiny Tinker Toys sent to them in clean white boxes. In building a traditional hot rod, you can buy everything you need and snap it together with a minimal amount of welding. With that said, I am still a traditional hot rodder. I don't want to leave what brought me into it the first place, but be sure you take a real good look, before you go about badmouthing anything. :-)
Driving a big, ugly, loud van I get all kinds of dirty looks, people roll their windows up, plug their ears, plug their nose, I just smile, it's all part of the experience. It performs well, it's built right and it's safe. I built every bit of it and I love it, that's what it's all about. Build something you can be proud of whatever it may be and just smile at the haters. There are plenty of people out there who will appreciate your vision.
Live and let live. It's called CUSTOM.
As long as you enjoy building what you're building, leave the haters in the smoke, whether it be from your tires or those broken rings that cost you 2 quarts of oil each gas fillup.😁
Wow. Of all the things to be at odds over... custom cars? Really? Kind of leaves me feeling sick and disappointed in the community.
where the hell have you been? It's been this way since before the start of Rodding.
It's called imagination and a love for a one of a kind. a rat rod should should be one of a kind just like the owner...leave your mark !
Nice episode! I love Ratrod and Hotrods, I don't think either is better than the other! Besides if it aint your car then who gives a crap what anyone thinks about it! I build my ride for my tastes!
Funny thing, the hot rod purists are the only one's hating on other builds. A true hot rod enthusiast appreciates the hard equity anyone has in their car, no matter weather they would build or drive themselves. Cars are art ,if you can't see that then you are doing it wrong.
Both to me are different pieces of art. Both are off the junkyard and on the highways they are both different. I personally enjoy rat rods more.
I build mine all new suspension and engine and trans but a little rough on body still primed and painted(not with roller). Save my money on body work and put in in to horse power. Still love them all rat rod hot rod and the street rod. Great video
well i´m totally(!) on the first-15-minutes-side! Btw Erin´s Shirt is kool! i´m in for one
I say to each their own. To me a nice hot rod depends on how much money you have to put into a car. Where a rat rod is or should be for the guy that is building a car out of what he has on hand. Both are pieces of ART !! But I do HATE rat rods that have tons of money into the build.
I like and build, rat rods, hot rods and low-riders. It’s all up to the person. I’m currently building what could be known as a rat-truck. It has the original parts but is beat up and rusty, it shows the life it’s had, plus I have no money for nice paint. I put nice welds on but it’s not a pretty truck to most people
That sounds more like an hot rod. It doesn't need to be shiny, as long it is build properly and with old parts.
I Love them all. I have a 2001 Viper, a 1950 Chrysler that's nice and a Rat Rod from 1974. Its a 1952 Henry J. Built it in 1974, no frontend, a 32 Ford rad. shell, forklift rad. 440 Mopar engine with a Cross Ram 2-4 intake. Still driving it today, Black primer bare bones interior. I could make it into a shiny Hot Rod but Love it just the way it is.
I hate how everybody puts a 32 Ford grille on fucking everything. Even seen it on a Harley-Davidson. Let's keep the 32 grille where it belongs: On a 32!
Paint is just chemistry. So is patina.
Patina is nature’s unique paint job. It takes years and years to make it become what it is.
Great channel guys. Keep'em coming!
Thank you for the support! Working on Episode 2 now!
+Built to Last: The Series awaiting it. cool video man
Car building is an expression of the owner, not everyone likes the same thing so as long as the owner likes what they have built it’s all good. In saying that safety should always be paramount.
Great to have met you at Downtown Showdown. Great first show. Dig the thought of what makes each of us tick in the kulture today... You pose some good debate in a very kool format. Look forward for more episodes. We subscribed for sure...
Thank you for the support brother!
its interesting how the term "traditional" keeps getting thrown around. the lineage of hot rodding goes back to salt flats racing. take a look at some of those rigs, and tell me they didn't look a little rough, shabby, or out of place. it was function over form. an expression of who they were, while trying to run better, and drive faster. there's enough division in social circles these days...why do folks insist on the hate? accept it for what it is and move on.
I've done motorcycles for years, still have one, I also have a hotrod..the big difference for me is seeing how many people in the so called rod scene have their heads up their own ass..it's called a rod for a reason..the only thing I felt from the haters was jelousy..get over it. ratrods are cool too.
No kidding man. All the hot rodders in this video spent the entire time being salty bitches about rats. Meanwhile the rat rodders are just like "cars are awesome, no matter what you drive". Really shows which crowd I'd rather hang out with.
Really well done. Top quality. I'm surprised you don't have more subs or videos.
Working on episode 2 now. Just takes me a while because I’m a crew of one. Lol. I’ll get it done!
think a lot of people are mistaken, in the late 50's a rat was the best you could afford with the money and parts at hand.
It was just as safe as it could be made and had all the love and skill you possessed, just almost no store bought parts as they were rare and expensive. now the Rods have become 1/4 million dollar erector sets and the Rats an expression of inner torment.
So, what did we learn from this? Traditionalist hot-rodders: Nothing but hate and derision for anything that isn't done their way. Rad-rodders: Hey, we love all cars. Aren't cars cool? Hot rods, rat rods, we love 'em all. Let's go mess with cars, have a good time and make something cool!!
I always thought you build a car that you want and one that you want to drive doesn't matter if its a hot rod or a rat rod as long as you like it thats the main thing i would like a hot rod that i didn't have to worrie about scratching or dinging in a shopping centre, i will build one one day.
So many haters just build what one want...
amen, theres no wrong builds just wrong attitudes.
I saw a hot rod at a show that was built in the 50s, it had a Packard V8 in it.
So my Rat Rod is a 1936 truck turned pickup. Rusty, altered frame, totally home built. Driven to Bonneville speed week 8 years, 380 miles one way. Drives better than my 2002 Dodge pickup. But I built it to drive and drive well. All leaf springs and original layout added modern shocks. People ask when I'll paint it. I ask would you look at it longer if I did, they usually answer no. You lose all the character and history if ya paint em.
When I was a teenager in the late 60’s I had a 36 GMC with a Pontiac V8 with a 4brl carb and an auto! Primer paint and a wooden flatbed! It was unfinished , fast, rear brakes and unsafe! LOL what the hell I was 16 and bullet proof ! LOL
Hot rods are a status of money while rat rods are a status of skill and engineering
seems to me the “traditional” guys are the close-minded mean-spirited bunch whereas the rat guys are like “build whatever you think is cool” and have no animosity towards anyone 🤷♂️
I think there's hot rods, rat rods and freek builds. Hot roders are traditional skilled perfectionists, rat roders are broke and do what they can with what they have. Freek builds are mad, different, bold and often dangerous.
pinsboy just because someone builds a rat rod doesn’t mean they’re broke.. some people just enjoy the bare look.. some of us enjoy just building something in the shed and knowing we’ll be able to drive it and not have to worry about dirt and scratches or minor damage.. they have more character than most of the nice shiny fibreglass trailer queens out there..
@@tommys_chopshop9432 cool I didn't think of that. I was just thinking of my own perspective (I didn't have a lot of money but I had a lot of junk). I get it, it's just something you can have a bit more play about with and less worries.
My first car cost $800. That was 1965. It was a nice 56 chevy.
Minimum wage was $1.25 an hr in 65. I worked at a rental place and in my grandmothers hotel. I earned my money to buy my car. Some kids were just given a car.
There was a guy in Sonoma that sold Model As. $600 for a running decent cabriolet, $300 for a pickup.
Wow , They get it... "Rat" Rods WERE the First HOT RODS . They Built a Car Motorcycle with the Parts they could Make Work. they have turned into something Completely Differnt. Cool just Different
I'm not a huge fan of hotrods or ratrods, but I respect them both. I'm more of a muscle car and European import car guy. But I was struck by all the haters in this video. These guys sound like a bunch of old men bitching about young people's music.
I don't think rat rod was coined in the 90's? I remember an old cartoon about a car family the father and mother were taxi's and the son wanted to be a hot rod. When the father seen his son transformed he called him a rat rod 😁
Some of these guys are what me and my father in law call car Natzis . Rat rods are not junk. Just because it’s not shiny and “perfect” doesn’t make it junk. There’s a place for both. I’ve seen some really smooth great looking cars that were junk, barely ran and stopping and steering was not a priority. Then I’ve seen rat rods that were were perfect mechanically, daily driven, never broke down, steered stopped and would blow the back tires off if they wanted to. Show in shine is good, I have one. But I want a rat, too!!!
If you look at it in the 40 & 50 vetran went to a junk yard and got parts and build there own thing to me that is traditional hot rods it started there my name is Andy I was born in 66 I grew up in a racing car family.
I like the apocalyptical look.
Almost any old car that someone puts his creativity and time is is good. Restorers hate them all, lol. Traditional was born out of the post WWI & WWII. Ford’s, Then T ‘s metal glass. customs, Restorods, Street rods, now rat rods it’s the evolution of individual tastes. But no matter what style they must be safe and portioned gets the thumbs up
Hot Rods & Hand Grenades. Shared to NZHRM forum.
The old dude at the end of the show said it right!!
I'm 61 and I know a little about rat rodders they didn't just cut the fenders off every car, those were the most beautiful things on them it takes a lot more to build any kind of hot rod than just cutting the fenders off of it ,I think it has more to do with nobody has any sheet metal skills on the English wheel anymore , it's just so dumb looking like a bird without wings .
Cool vid ... thanks for sharing!
The guy at 6:30 said it best. A rat rod is an unfinished hot rod........cartoon cars, as long as it get noticed & you've got bragging rights.,anything goes. Build it good or build it good & rough. If your lazy, build a rat rod, pretty simple really!
Honestly, a lot of the cars being called rat rods aren't really rat rods! In my eyes a rat rod is a rusty old ratty street sign mobile! A primered hot rod isn't a rat rod! It's a 90's style traditional hot rod! ( in my eyes ) :)
You had it 100% correct until you said 90s. They were doing primer only clear back in the 30s, bro.
ha ha mr nobody is right in the 70's we fixed the rust shot it with grey primer and drove it till we could afford paint old school is different things to different people
You can't experience what guys in my generation did. The world ain't the same. Build a car where ALL lowered cars are prone to being stopped and checked. I remember cops having a block about the size of a pack of luckys on a stick. He used it to check the ride height.
I personally like rat rods. Not sure why these people on the video are hating. They are still considered CUSTOM. Slightly disappointed in the community.
Rat rods will never end just getting bigger
Rodders: "kids need to get into old cars"
Kids: build rat rods.
Rodders: "not like that"
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Who says a rat rod is built poorly?
In my mind a rat rod is engineered well but put together using cheap or refurbished parts, with an all round unpolished and unrefined look, it's a style.
rat rod is the lack of style
just because you throw some parts together and it moves under its own power dosen't mean it was engineered that way. or that its safe . but that can be said about any car i've seen some traditional hot rods that were just as dangerous as any rat rod.
Build what you like with your hands make it cool and enjoy it
Theres's the same discussion in different communities. In the motorcycle scene, the guitars world. I personally love difference.I just dont like what everybody have. I am unique, so are my toys.
Check out the Red '33 at 14:52. The quintessential traditional hot rod..........fabulous.
Every era and object of hobby (or admiration ) has they’re “punk” , and they’re always hated ( and “could “ be admired in secret , by both party’s) , it’ll always be like that and always will ,
Nothing wrong with anything. I wish people that like cars stay more together! And help each other. No chance in switzerland to drive a hotrod on the streets. Regulations are so extreme now. And it goes worse and worse! Stay all together we have other problems now! Dont let custom work on cars goes away. In america its not that bad i know. But dont let this happen!
Here is the problem, when you work for years, spend tons of money, make a car perfect, & put on a $10,000 dollar paint job on the car, most people keep them parked in the garage, under a car cover, and don't drive them much. They trailer them to events. They become "Trailer Queens". They become afraid to drive them because they don't want to mess them up. In my case, I cant afford a $10,000 paint job, and I want to drive my car every day. My cars don't have to be absolutely perfect. For me, It's all about building it myself, driving it and having fun !
Say hi to that girl. Cool ride tho
Let's just defuse this entire argument, Gene Winfield is arguably one of the best traditional custom builders around. To describe his first salt flat car adequately, think of the most stripped bobber you've ever seen, take away even more and cover it in rust and that was it. There's 1% of rat rodders that believe in shotty craftsmanship, Steve Darnell puts a superb amount into making crazy cars well. And to that wanker who says it's all about attention he's wrong, it's about personal preference and/or budget, I plan on building a traditional Model A after I've finished my '28 Chrysler/Dodge Tourer, and the only difference between the two will be a few coats of paint. Janky ass welds, uneven chops and poorly assembled bits and pieces never have a place on any type of rod.
It seems to me like there’s different types of rat rods, there the semi traditional old school kind, then there’s the so heavily chopped and channeled cars that can’t even be driven
Rat rods for the win in my book. I love mine. Its ME..but in vehicle form. Those who disrespect RatRods.....have Zero clue what the life is about. Not to call them down or anything...but....understand they are not crap.
The whole comment 'Setting out to build a piece of junk' is ridiculous. I have friends that built 'rat rods' and they took an old 47 Ford truck, etc and built what they had the money for. The time and effort they put into their cars was no less than someone who builds a so-called hot rod. The cars didn't have tons of cash dumped into them because they didn't have it. Their rat rods were very cool machines that they poured their blood, sweat and tears into without having to die in a mountain of debt. Yes they had rust. Yes they lacked a lot of the comforts of most hot rods. But they loved them none the less and enjoy them all the same. I say do what you like and stop with all the hate and holier-than-thou attitudes towards a culture that is just trying to do its own thing.
There are just as many (if not more) junky, hacked up hot rods as rats. I agree with a lot of the negative opinion of the HR guys, but I've seen enough WELL done rats to love them. The biggest complaint I usually have is making a nice bodied car into a junker, and a close second is the fact that 95% of the rat rod guys SUCK at choosing/making a nice looking grill.
There are only 2 kinds of ratrods, the ones that are built clean and respectable, and then the ones that are rusty, designed poorly, not practical and look like a pile of garbage welded together.
My own opinion, I will never build a ratrod, but I do appreciate all creatiity.
I don't think the name rot rod came from the 90's we used too call rat fink 1/25 model's rat rods in the 60's and 70's
My dad's very into both hot rods and stock classics and I love those too but rat rods are the only thing I'll be able to afford to make. A lot of the rat rodders around here have barbed wire and use old farm trucks because this is a farm community where I live and it's nostalgic. Kinda annoying when these guys at the car shows talk so much trash on the rat rodders. Makes them sound like get off my lawn crotchety old men or like they're better because they spent so much money. I know they're just set in their ways but it just looks bad
There are some really well built rat rods, and some crappy hot rods
Fine, I suggest someone pick a venue divide it in half rat rods on one side shinney rods on the other and see where the most interest is... I know this is an old video but the haters got me irritated. Do your own thing, what other people do is none of your business. Funny though, I didn't see many rat rodders complaining about the show and shine folks. Hey show and shine hot rodders, do you think the restoration folks might have opinions on your destroying restorable cars? They probably consider many of your cars abominations. How would you answer them? I wish everyone could just have fun without judging what others do. Maybe divide that venue into three sections...
Rat Rods ARE traditional hot rods. It started with the rats, then someone got the idea that they had to put $30K into a paint job. Take what you have and run with it, not throw wheelbarrows of money at it. It's not what you buy, it's what you build.
Cars are like women, some look better in different things then others. It’s what fits the cars personality and look
I thick what get most the people who don't like Rat Rod are the ones who spent a lot of money on there car and go to the show with their car, and the people who are at the show pass by there car and run to see the Rat Rod both are nice i my self like them all so let face it you like what you like cool but hey lets don't knock the other mans ride
I think it's the guys who pay to have a shop build their dream for hundreds of thousands of dollars, only to find out nobody in his right mind will pay more than say $75k for it. And then they see the Rat guy build his car for $30,000 or less and either break even or make a profit on resale.
Built>Bought.
I put the volume on mute so I could enjoy a video with awesome cars and trucks. I dont care if its a hot rod, a rat rod, a box on 24's, a truck with the Carolina Squat......if you enjoy working and showing your vehicle, it's cool to me. I may not like it, but I can respect it. Make it safe and enjoy it.
There should be NO controversy.
Hot rodding IS do whatever you want, to hell with what ever anyone else says about it.
( besides, if EVERYONE likes your car............you're doing it wrong.)
There are poorly built hot rods and poorly built rat rods, and well built of both. Build what you want, how you want, so long as it's safe and done right.
My personal opinion....if you can manage to keep it on the road but still keep it tasteful...why not
Traditional hot rods all the way.
My daughters both built their own cars.
I like both
The dude in the tight white t shirt cracked me up
Building a traditionnal, everyone builds a traditionnal, a rat rod has his personnal touch no one is the same. I don't get it why people hate a on them, but I do agree it must be safe firts like they said, after that you can whatever you want.
Lol sounds like the hot rod guys care way more than they should... Meanwhile the rat rod guys could care less and just want to build something they like. Each to your own.
i just feel that you build your hot rod or rad rod or what ever too please your self not too impress the public.
I have never heard such automotive blubbering in all my life! There are so many statements made by the shiner guys in this video that are just plain wrong and sniveley.
You guys need to file a hurt feelings report with the Automotive Carnuba Sniffers Club.
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Who is that girl in the shorts?
My future ex-wife
To each his own! There is no right or wrong way to build a car, everyone has their likes and dislikes. Build how you want it and to hell with the haters.
Haters are the losers that can't have what you do so they bitch about it. Build your ride and enjoy it.
Mannn , the female host is absolutely stunning !
I like rat rods and hot rods. but I like rat rods a lot better because they are more artistic and second of all you never have to wash them or worry about scratches in the paint
Should see my 60's bronco 4x4 lifted, Chevy 350 motor, 77 montie Carlo. Open front end full roll cage end to end...luv her lots... My hardtail bobber same way...they run good, maybe don't look so good to some,,,but I did it... They are all mine, won't find another like em....those fancy s. They're pretty, maybe one day I'll be rich enough,,,but not on chainsaw paying work...luv ALL HOTROD, RATRODS...gose for my Harley bobber too....
Hot Rods are not the Status of the Rich..Both can be built with the same Money as long as You are Patient and have the will to Complete the Project..Some People like their Cars Nice and Shiney and others their Cars looking like a Bucket of Rusted Parts..HotRods are What the Name Implies..Hot Looking & Hot Fast.