People who want to apply as a prison guard should watch this as should cops soldiers ect. I think it could be useful. The damage has been done lets learn from the mistakes and move forward as humans.
The issue is, when you’re a cop, you’re looking at criminals not as people, but as “bad guys.” That really helps create bias when you have lots of people of one very distinct race that tend to be poor, which means they will tend to commit a lot of crime. So you kind of just look at all of them as “bad guys” and “punks.” If you’re a guard, everybody you’ve got under your watch is a punk or a bad guy, and you’ve gotta make sure they stay in their place. I think that’s the mentality of a lot of the criminal justice system.
You can't compare soldiers to prison guards or cops. When you're a soldier you're in a warzone where other soldiers have guns and would kill you just as quickly as you would kill them. These fellas were unarmed inmates and police have to deal with civilians.
The question is how do we know for sure he didn’t repeat the same mistakes later on in his personal life. Whatever sadism was awakened in him didn’t necessarily just “fall asleep”
In hindsight he realises what he was capable of during the experiment so I'm sure he's more aware of his actions now, plus it was only the context that brought out his dark side, so it's good he learned this in a controlled environment rather than real life.
The fact is the stimulant that awoke the sadistic side in him, aka the experiment, was no longer there. If you think humans aren't sadistic in our basal nature then you're wrong. If it came down it it, life or death, I think even the nicest person would kill someone for survival, and only after they survive and get time to reflect upon it they would realise what they done. Its unfair to judge him and say he became sadistic and then that sadisicm didn't "go to sleep". That's why the experiment is surprising, because it took normal ordinary people who didn't think they had it in them, and showed how they could easily conform to a role if they had to or need to.
redspin2ify seriously 😒 if you lose your humanity in 6 freaking days, all while being aware that it’s an experiment, I’m pretty sure you weren’t a good person to begin with, and knew it all along! All this stupid experiment proved is that a lot of POS people walk around pretending to be decent 🤷♀️
@@cristinauto you are wrong. The point of the experiment is to take ordinary people and to see the effects of prison that has on human behavior. About how an institution with power effects an individual by stripping them away from what they have and who they are. You missed the point and aftermath of it, it showed that when you are given a role in society people follow it. It demonstrates how a powerful role can play on human behaviour.
@@dirtywater9745 I really don't like cristinauto's opinion lol. I believe they would likely conform to the officers role if they where in that situation too, and i think they should know that.
For some odd reason I kept thinking that after a week, the prisoners would then be the guards and the guards would then be the prisoners. I wonder how that would have played out.
Something like this happens in real life, dedovshchina (Russian military hazing). The senior conscripts brutally abuse the junior ones for years until they leave service and the juniors become seniors. And having survived through torture and finally gaining power and control, they in turn channel years of trauma into the abuse of the new conscripts. Often with the mentality that since they endured their own hazing, they "earned" their turn to be the abusers.
The main thing I don't like about this experiment is that it seems to neglect the exception to the rule. I feel it would be more interesting to try and determine why some people become whistle-blowers and take on huge punishments themselves while in positions of power rather than exploit their own power. Although not as often, some individuals give up positions of power rather than assimilating. Some people have instant cognitive dissonance while others claim they only experience cognitive dissonance once their power is removed. My hypothesis would be there are likely at least three categories of individuals. Those that have instant cognitive dissonance and refuse to assimilate (the whistle-blower), those that only feel cognitive dissonance once power is removed and can reflect after the fact (most people) and those that never have cognitive dissonance, even after many years (the sociopath and psychopath). The experiment only seems to display how some people may react to power. There also seems to be no diversity in the groups selected either. They are all young students at a fairly prestigious college. I don't believe the experiment reflects humanity as a whole but I do believe it reflects the majority of humanity.
i agree with you but i feel the neglect of the exception to the rule was part of the experiment. Integrity. Knowing what you shouldnt do but acting in a way that one doesn't care due to the lack of consequences
I completely agree with this... I am the first group, hsve had experinece enough to know it ... Whar FRIGHTENS me is that the last group is one the same wawe lenghth as the first one but on opposite ends and that Automatically we are drawn to each other and I do not wants life so hard to spend it with s sociopath !!! ! On the other hand I consider the middle group (majority) far worse so I am at a life's choice ... To become more "average" or not? To live easier or stand by your "categorical imperative" until the end?? O_O
At first I felt hatred towards the guards but I get It and I feel weirded out by the fact that person can change so much If they feel like they are something better than others and has given authority
tbh after the first day of "experiment" you would think that Zimbardo would actually cease but NOPE. he lets it continue for 6 fucking days even tho he has gotten his evidence since day 1... this is terrifying, the experimental process & results.. imagine the psychological & physical damages the prisoners have gone through & most likely still have ):
Yeah you wonder who was the psychopath, the ones dealing the punishment or the one letting it continue. Something to think about with governments and police. No matter what they say, the prisoners would have had some effect.
@@anotheripodguy that analysis was done by the so called researchers that let this experiment go on for so long and added to it as well . they knew they introduced demand characteristics , so they would never admit if any wrong was done .
Is the people who went through as the guards should have been forced to endure what they did to the other people as a prisoner that is my opinion. I think by doing nothing you just allowed bad people to get away with bad shit and we're justifying it because we gave them our but they were just fucking terrible people who happen to want that power applied for that role and went with it. The man who said power corrupts absolutely changed his mind and saids, power reveals
Actually none of the participant wanted to be guards. They all said they wanted to play the prisoner role so the guards were chosen randomly from the group of 24
I'm really late, but your boyfriend's psych teacher is right. You should smile too - better to know the truth than to never know it :) I was taught it as fact about 10 years ago at university. But evidence has since come out to suggest that Zimbardo and colleagues had pushed the guards to be tougher than they would have been if left alone. Zimbardo always claimed the opposite, "I constrained the guards not to use any physical force, but they intuitively knew how to use psychological force,". Despite this claim, there is audio recording of David Jaffe, Zimbardo's colleague and the prison "Warden", telling guards to be tough on the prisoners. The guards were instructed to be active, involved and tough on prisoners. The only way they could be active, involved and tough when their job was effectively just to watch the prisoners... was to create the unusual punishments. Perhaps the worst part comes with how the prisoners weren't allowed to leave despite Zimbardo later claiming they always could. One prisoner explained how on day one he asked a guard how to quit and he was told he couldn't. Zimbardo claims elsewhere that this was part of the experiment, that they were prisoners and of course couldn't leave without a good, genuine reason. Multiple prisoners have since come forward and claimed they faked ways to get out, including a hunger strike by Clay Ramsay and the "mental breakdown" of Douglas Korpi. Also the article was first released as prat of the New York Times Magazine, not an academic journal where it would have received genuine criticism before entering the public eye. Was only released in the International Journal of Criminology and Penology 2 months later, and Zimbardo received criticism at the time, but of course that criticism is much harder to find today. A particular criticism is that a majority of guards weren't cruel. Only about 1/3 of the guards actually participated in the evil acts which Zimbardo argues would happen to most, if not all, humans when in a position of unquestionable power. If Zimbardo's claims are to be believed, surely at least a majority of the guards would have been so awful? If I were to do an experiment like this, I definitely would have focused moreso on the 2/3s that weren't cruel, since that's what the evidence is really pointing towards. Perhaps worth mentioning that one of the most well-known guards, Dave Eshleman, had studied acting at high school and college. He was told to get into the role of a tough prison guard, so he puts on a Southern accent he got from Cool Hand Luke and just plays the part. He's quoted saying, "“I believed that I was doing what the researchers wanted me to do, and I thought I’d do it better than anybody else by creating this despicable guard persona." Considering there were only 11 guards, and we know that 1 of the "cruel" guards was just acting the role for the researchers, it really does make that entire experiment seem like a fabrication. After all, the other "cruel" guards may have just been playing the role as well. I want to say too, I went into this fully ready to defend SFE. When you're taught about it by a respected university professor, you do tend to believe it must be true. He was just teaching with the knowledge that was available though, it was only 5 years ago that all this evidence was collected and published by Ben Blum. Took me a couple hours today looking through everything I could before finally concluding SFE is completely incorrect at worst and a great exaggeration at best. There's just way too many people who've explained the way things were in a way which completely contradicts Zimbardo's account.
If you study the Bible it’s full of examples of this. And we’re told we’re born a fallen creature. And only by grace are you saved. Look at Saul later became Paul. Just as an example.
People who want to apply as a prison guard should watch this as should cops soldiers ect. I think it could be useful. The damage has been done lets learn from the mistakes and move forward as humans.
The issue is, when you’re a cop, you’re looking at criminals not as people, but as “bad guys.” That really helps create bias when you have lots of people of one very distinct race that tend to be poor, which means they will tend to commit a lot of crime. So you kind of just look at all of them as “bad guys” and “punks.” If you’re a guard, everybody you’ve got under your watch is a punk or a bad guy, and you’ve gotta make sure they stay in their place. I think that’s the mentality of a lot of the criminal justice system.
You can't compare soldiers to prison guards or cops. When you're a soldier you're in a warzone where other soldiers have guns and would kill you just as quickly as you would kill them. These fellas were unarmed inmates and police have to deal with civilians.
@@oceanofoil What
The thing that scares me most is how this "monster" in the interview is terrified of himself when his position made him sadistic
You know most didn't want to apply as a prison guard? Did you not glean anything from the experiment? The role will change anyone.
After this interview this man signed 3 innocent chipmunks to a 360 music deal
The question is how do we know for sure he didn’t repeat the same mistakes later on in his personal life. Whatever sadism was awakened in him didn’t necessarily just “fall asleep”
In hindsight he realises what he was capable of during the experiment so I'm sure he's more aware of his actions now, plus it was only the context that brought out his dark side, so it's good he learned this in a controlled environment rather than real life.
The fact is the stimulant that awoke the sadistic side in him, aka the experiment, was no longer there. If you think humans aren't sadistic in our basal nature then you're wrong. If it came down it it, life or death, I think even the nicest person would kill someone for survival, and only after they survive and get time to reflect upon it they would realise what they done. Its unfair to judge him and say he became sadistic and then that sadisicm didn't "go to sleep". That's why the experiment is surprising, because it took normal ordinary people who didn't think they had it in them, and showed how they could easily conform to a role if they had to or need to.
redspin2ify seriously 😒 if you lose your humanity in 6 freaking days, all while being aware that it’s an experiment, I’m pretty sure you weren’t a good person to begin with, and knew it all along! All this stupid experiment proved is that a lot of POS people walk around pretending to be decent 🤷♀️
@@cristinauto you are wrong. The point of the experiment is to take ordinary people and to see the effects of prison that has on human behavior. About how an institution with power effects an individual by stripping them away from what they have and who they are. You missed the point and aftermath of it, it showed that when you are given a role in society people follow it. It demonstrates how a powerful role can play on human behaviour.
@@dirtywater9745 I really don't like cristinauto's opinion lol. I believe they would likely conform to the officers role if they where in that situation too, and i think they should know that.
I’ve been trying to nail this accent for a while. Something we’ve lost to the 1960s. Soft spoken, a bit nasally, very much slower and more articulate.
It's the awkward voice you put on when a camera is alien to you, which is no longer the case.
Thank god it was lost he sounds like a goofy nerd
For some odd reason I kept thinking that after a week, the prisoners would then be the guards and the guards would then be the prisoners. I wonder how that would have played out.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Honestly, the results would probably be pretty horrific.
Something like this happens in real life, dedovshchina (Russian military hazing). The senior conscripts brutally abuse the junior ones for years until they leave service and the juniors become seniors. And having survived through torture and finally gaining power and control, they in turn channel years of trauma into the abuse of the new conscripts. Often with the mentality that since they endured their own hazing, they "earned" their turn to be the abusers.
One word: madness
@@krs9748that’s how frat hazing works
This behavior is called “Power Tripping.”
Truly amazing. No wonder the justice and prisons by extension are such a mess!
The main thing I don't like about this experiment is that it seems to neglect the exception to the rule. I feel it would be more interesting to try and determine why some people become whistle-blowers and take on huge punishments themselves while in positions of power rather than exploit their own power. Although not as often, some individuals give up positions of power rather than assimilating. Some people have instant cognitive dissonance while others claim they only experience cognitive dissonance once their power is removed.
My hypothesis would be there are likely at least three categories of individuals. Those that have instant cognitive dissonance and refuse to assimilate (the whistle-blower), those that only feel cognitive dissonance once power is removed and can reflect after the fact (most people) and those that never have cognitive dissonance, even after many years (the sociopath and psychopath).
The experiment only seems to display how some people may react to power. There also seems to be no diversity in the groups selected either. They are all young students at a fairly prestigious college. I don't believe the experiment reflects humanity as a whole but I do believe it reflects the majority of humanity.
i agree with you but i feel the neglect of the exception to the rule was part of the experiment. Integrity. Knowing what you shouldnt do but acting in a way that one doesn't care due to the lack of consequences
What you wrote makes 0 sense
It's all in the book
@discopurgatory learn to read
I completely agree with this... I am the first group, hsve had experinece enough to know it ... Whar FRIGHTENS me is that the last group is one the same wawe lenghth as the first one but on opposite ends and that Automatically we are drawn to each other and I do not wants life so hard to spend it with s sociopath !!! ! On the other hand I consider the middle group (majority) far worse so I am at a life's choice ... To become more "average" or not? To live easier or stand by your "categorical imperative" until the end?? O_O
Am I high or was he repeating himself over again?
At first I felt hatred towards the guards but I get It and I feel weirded out by the fact that person can change so much If they feel like they are something better than others and has given authority
Is this the type of people they recruit as police now - certainly seems like it.
tbh after the first day of "experiment" you would think that Zimbardo would actually cease but NOPE. he lets it continue for 6 fucking days even tho he has gotten his evidence since day 1... this is terrifying, the experimental process & results.. imagine the psychological & physical damages the prisoners have gone through & most likely still have ):
S4r4h00z none of them suffered any damage after the experiment, well that's what it says in the movie.
yeah, none of them suffered long-term psychological effects, and they were all fine
Yeah you wonder who was the psychopath, the ones dealing the punishment or the one letting it continue. Something to think about with governments and police. No matter what they say, the prisoners would have had some effect.
@@sleepinggiant5161 It's possible for both to be the psychopath
@@anotheripodguy that analysis was done by the so called researchers that let this experiment go on for so long and added to it as well . they knew they introduced demand characteristics , so they would never admit if any wrong was done .
The Lucifer Effect!
Great book.
They did things to people and just think they only lasted a short time
scary . .
Is the people who went through as the guards should have been forced to endure what they did to the other people as a prisoner that is my opinion. I think by doing nothing you just allowed bad people to get away with bad shit and we're justifying it because we gave them our but they were just fucking terrible people who happen to want that power applied for that role and went with it.
The man who said power corrupts absolutely changed his mind and saids, power reveals
Actually none of the participant wanted to be guards. They all said they wanted to play the prisoner role so the guards were chosen randomly from the group of 24
You sound sadistic as the guards.
my boyfriend's psych teacher said this is fake :(
your ex's psych teacher tweaking
I'm really late, but your boyfriend's psych teacher is right. You should smile too - better to know the truth than to never know it :)
I was taught it as fact about 10 years ago at university. But evidence has since come out to suggest that Zimbardo and colleagues had pushed the guards to be tougher than they would have been if left alone. Zimbardo always claimed the opposite, "I constrained the guards not to use any physical force, but they intuitively knew how to use psychological force,". Despite this claim, there is audio recording of David Jaffe, Zimbardo's colleague and the prison "Warden", telling guards to be tough on the prisoners. The guards were instructed to be active, involved and tough on prisoners. The only way they could be active, involved and tough when their job was effectively just to watch the prisoners... was to create the unusual punishments.
Perhaps the worst part comes with how the prisoners weren't allowed to leave despite Zimbardo later claiming they always could. One prisoner explained how on day one he asked a guard how to quit and he was told he couldn't. Zimbardo claims elsewhere that this was part of the experiment, that they were prisoners and of course couldn't leave without a good, genuine reason. Multiple prisoners have since come forward and claimed they faked ways to get out, including a hunger strike by Clay Ramsay and the "mental breakdown" of Douglas Korpi.
Also the article was first released as prat of the New York Times Magazine, not an academic journal where it would have received genuine criticism before entering the public eye. Was only released in the International Journal of Criminology and Penology 2 months later, and Zimbardo received criticism at the time, but of course that criticism is much harder to find today. A particular criticism is that a majority of guards weren't cruel. Only about 1/3 of the guards actually participated in the evil acts which Zimbardo argues would happen to most, if not all, humans when in a position of unquestionable power. If Zimbardo's claims are to be believed, surely at least a majority of the guards would have been so awful? If I were to do an experiment like this, I definitely would have focused moreso on the 2/3s that weren't cruel, since that's what the evidence is really pointing towards.
Perhaps worth mentioning that one of the most well-known guards, Dave Eshleman, had studied acting at high school and college. He was told to get into the role of a tough prison guard, so he puts on a Southern accent he got from Cool Hand Luke and just plays the part. He's quoted saying, "“I believed that I was doing what the researchers wanted me to do, and I thought I’d do it better than anybody else by creating this despicable guard persona." Considering there were only 11 guards, and we know that 1 of the "cruel" guards was just acting the role for the researchers, it really does make that entire experiment seem like a fabrication. After all, the other "cruel" guards may have just been playing the role as well.
I want to say too, I went into this fully ready to defend SFE. When you're taught about it by a respected university professor, you do tend to believe it must be true. He was just teaching with the knowledge that was available though, it was only 5 years ago that all this evidence was collected and published by Ben Blum. Took me a couple hours today looking through everything I could before finally concluding SFE is completely incorrect at worst and a great exaggeration at best. There's just way too many people who've explained the way things were in a way which completely contradicts Zimbardo's account.
@@44R0NM10interesting…
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who was the interviewer?
wow
A psych not familiar with himself. Yeah, sounds about right.
If you study the Bible it’s full of examples of this.
And we’re told we’re born a fallen creature. And only by grace are you saved.
Look at Saul later became Paul. Just as an example.
Ew this is fucked up.
lol
Fake 🙄 the whole thing
What 💀 the whole thing was filmed
@@vigorofavirgo3916 Everything is fake - didn't ya know ;-)
@@sleepinggiant5161 The experiment was real, i'm not sure where you got the news it was fake from
The experiment was real, i'm not sure where you got the news it was fake from
@@vigorofavirgo3916Spider-Man was filed too. That doesn’t make it real💀🧌😂