DIY Storm Shelter: Pour A Concrete Slab In Your Shipping Container
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- Опубліковано 8 гру 2023
- Are you looking to Tornado-Proof your container modification ?
In this video we unveil the transformative use of concrete flooring in a shipping container. This process enhances the overall stability and warmth, this approach also lowers the center of gravity, making it ideal for applications like tornado shelters!
We explore the process of replacing the traditional wooden floors with concrete, incorporating advanced techniques for optimal performance. The aesthetic finish adds an industrial yet sophisticated touch!
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4:26 How's our math? 🤦
If your ,MAX GROSS IS 67,200 and your TARE WEIGHT, (unloaded) is 15,000, they your NET is 52,200. If your MAX IS 30,480 kg and TARE is 6,803 kg then your NET should be 23,677. I don't think the conversion from kg to lb on the TARE is significant. Correct?
ahhhh, close enough, she'll be right.
The other weights didn’t change with the Tare? Not sure what you mean but with the weight changes, is that with and without concrete i’m assuming?
How can the container be closed from inside when used as storm shelter ?
Channing, Channing, Channing. For almost 50 years, when I saw a container being used in a non-shipping environment, my mind would go crazy thinking about ways to use it. When I found your channel several years ago, I knew I had found something/someone special. EVERY video I watched was a new high point in non-standard container usage. Today's video about radiant heat in a concrete floor has reached a new pinnacle unprecedented in scope.
Thanks for your continued support 👊
If you want to do hydronic for heat you can do a very simple system using a residential electric hot water heater. Just need to swap out the high psi relief valve to a 30lb valve for safety. I heat a 1200 square foot shop with 14’ walls with a single 50 gallon water heater. I live in northern Michigan and winter can be brutal and my shop stays nice and warm.
Love your ideas and thought you put into everything. Never settle and always looking for a better way!!! 💯
On the Airstream Trailer forum , there's a guy who experimented with insulating the interior. He determined a simple thermal break as small as 1/8" between the inner and outer shell made a difference compared to the direct metal on metal of the ribs. Was thinking of his discovery when you mentioned making contact with the side walls of the container with the concrete then installing your bottom rail for studs.
I watched the whole video and it looks like they’re a tiny house outfit trialing out a concrete flooring method for their sea cans. The concrete allows for in-floor heating, potential tiling surface and increased ballast. Seems to be just a concept for now hope that helps
I just hope he really doesn't think that little bit of concrete is going to help keep it from rolling during a tornado. Everyone I know that has a container for a storm shelter have them buried, at least here where I'm from
This is art❤
I really appreciate your videos and research and development. Sure wish you had a branch in Texas. I always learn something!
I also wish I was in Texas☀️
What part of Texas are you in?
@@willrogers1023 hill country in Kingsland
Take care when polishing concrete. It's very very slippery when wet.
have you tried Warmboard with hydronic heating in a shipping container? Could go either on the floor or replace the floor. With sprayfoam underneath - could be amazing. Warm feet are gold :)
In floor radiant. Cool. But why not set up for a ground thaw connection. Use a bypass to control temp with thermostat valve with an over pressure bypass
I definitely wouldn't complain about having a heated shop on site
can this be applicable to the wall itself? I really like the structural integrety of concrete and much easier to patch up compare
I'm considering putting an earthen floor (sealed with linseed oil) in my refrigerated shipping containers which have aluminum T-bar flooring, and embedding hydronic radiant heating in the earthen floor. Any advice on making this work?
There are lots of factors to consider. Should I keep the floor's existing drain holes open? Should the earthen floor be flush with the tops of the T-bars, or cover them with 1/2" or so?
The containers will serve as a personal library/storage & workshop/laboratory, so my main motivations here are: I want to be able to sweep the floor (T-bars are hard to sweep/vacuum), heat/cool silently (any noise echoes loudly), and save money on flooring (plywood & concrete are more expensive).
I am building a garage from 2 40 ft containers, with 12 feet between them. I like the idea of a monolithic slab. after cutting out the inner walls then removing the wood how thick do you think the concrete would have to be to tolerate the thermal expansion here in south Georgia USA?
That's a good question. Hopefully there's a concrete expert on here to answer because I do not claim to be.
If you did keep the top of the channel exposed, you could put an expansion board against the channel and have your slab the same height as the container floor which is about 6". Probably best to use expansion board everywhere concrete meets steel channels.
If you want to pour concrete over everything, my guess is you'll want 4" or so of concrete above the top of the channel making the slab 10" thick (OR pack granular 4" up before pouring OR spray foam / rigid foam insulate). I would be cutting a 40' control line directly on top of the channel.
When can you come to western Oklahoma and do this for me?🤔 Thanks.🙏👍
So the concrete floor will keep it from flipping in the storm?
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Have you guys studied Building Science Corporation's stuff?
I've been seriously thinking that something like a Ray Magic heating/cooling ceiling coupled with an ERV (energy recovery ventilator) and a dehumidifier would minimize the issues with condensation and maybe allow for different types of insulation aside from spray foam.
Just spitballing.
Please do not recommend these as tornado shelters! Yes they block wind. No they will not hold up to a class 3-5 tornado when debris is flying in the air. Texas Tech University does Tornado testing. Please send them a container, pay your fee for testing Or shoot a brick through the wall with a cannon up to speeds of 90 MPH. Please show proof of your statements. I do love containers. I have several but they do have limits. Knowing their pros and cons is the basic foundation for designing better built products. Plus, how would someone safely lock themselves in when a tornado comes? There is your next product! Give me credit! Lol.
couldnt you use these as homes, you could just put dirt over them in a dome shape, wouldnt you elimated the debris flying into the container? You see the hurricane hunter vehicles with dome shapes.
Its going to look ugly as hell, but atleast you would have a hurricane resistand house right?
100% on this. Nothing above ground is a tornado shelter if it isn’t tested, rated, and/or built to spec. These metal walls would absolutely not hold up debris in a tornado, and the concrete floor would not ensure the container didn’t become airborne. Significant reinforcement, and EXTENSIVE anchoring, would be required to make a container a suitable shelter.
@@TheNotoriousNemothere is alot going into designing and building homes for tornados. So far very few homes are tornado proof. There are specific rooms that are designed to be tornado proof or underground basement rooms depending on which part of the country. Texas Tech does tornado proof testing. I've personally witnessed these tests multiple times. Yes, several layers or designed/engineered thickness of steel will pass but the gauge of steel on the walls and ceiling of a standard connex container do not meet the standard minimum thickness. Plus steel can be made to different qualities and to different ASTM standards. So not all steel grades the same. A thick poor grade steel can fail while a thin High grade steel passes. Mild steel is softer than AR500 steel. Just shoot each one with a 300 winmag and see the difference.
Would be great in Florida with all those hurricanes 👍
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Love your content as always. I'd personnaly clean up the video description text (its obvious someone copied and pasted it from a web article because of the "in this article" and paragraph format..). Maybe add in the key facts like how much it cost and how much it weighs since there is some confusion based on the video tare weight animation (4410lbs to 15000lbs) and thumbnail snapshot of +5,000 lbs. Awesome concept and idea! Can't wait to see follow on testing where you check to see if it cracks when moved and if cuts in the container side wall result in warping from additional bottom weight. Like the use for a tornado shelter! Keep up the good work!
Thanks for all the help. Staff Xmas party yesterday rushed things 😆. Should have probably waited a week..
@@TheContainerGuyTV haha had my company holiday party as well last night. Happy holidays!
This will be great for the zombie mole apocalypse.
I like it. I was thinking tiles before you said it. I was thinking sheet metal the bottom side. I know ya gotta lift it for that and I'd seal weld it. With angle iron or C channel reenforced with bar an wire that concert shouldn't crack being moved around. Idk just a thought.
Might try wire mesh in the concrete. Might just paint the underside foam with a urethane coating. Not concerned about flex. Them cross members are plenty strong and spanning less than 8ft.
@@TheContainerGuyTV get it
My containers are over a fully insulated icf crawl space so I wouldn't be able to take the wood out to pour concrete. Do you think 2" thick slab with helix micro rebar over the wood would work?
Why do you want 2" of concrete over the plywood? The plywood flooring is rated for about 58,000 pounds. It is strong enough for most applications. The container will tell you its empty weight and its load capacity.
@@willrogers1023 I have two containers together and would like to have a smooth seamless transition between the two
Great video and info for the floor. I wouldnt say its a storm shelter from Tornadoes. Side wall are too thin. It wont flip though.
Agreed. Stay tuned for the tornado shelter testing in future videos. Going to shoot a 2x4 100 mph at our reinforced wall system to test.
@@TheContainerGuyTV That is going to be a fun one to watch
I would feel better about a sheets of 1/8" FRP, Fiberglass Reinforced Plastic instead of Polyethylene film attached (screwed or just glued, or some really sticky double tape) under the channels to retain the insulation. If the container is ever suspended, it could resist degrading the insulation from moisture or bugs or creatures, and it resists flame spread better. Of course Poly is fast and cheap and you are just experimenting with the concrete, and heating it.
So basically a worse version of a house floor and walls. But it's a metal box. Awesome 😂
Can you do a video on frameless windows please
By frameless do you mean sealed glass panels (no vinyl)?
Or no structural framing kit?
@@TheContainerGuyTV Yes, without vinyl, glass from wall to wall.
Steel and concrete have practically the same expansion/contraction rates as each other hence why you can have rebar.
Thanks!
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So why not put a dome layer of dirt around this connex, making it a hill basically. It would be a tiny home, but atleast you wouldnt have to rebuild a home after every tornado. The homes would look ugly as hell, but you would be alright...
Everyone who is asking why put such a heavy floor or saying ive never had a storage container blow over they did this for a storm shelter its meant to be heavy and extremely difficult to move so difficult in fact that a tornada cant move it
To make it a tornado shelter what kind of door would you install?
Per code, as long as you have a stub wall beside the door, a regular steel door is fine
We have a 40’ high cube that my husband is using for a shop until we can build him one. We also live in a doublewide. After years of stress and luckily avoiding storms that have been devastating to surrounding areas, I am finally starting to seriously look into shelters. I have retreated to his container in hairy weather but want to know if it’s actually safe. I figure it’s better than my trailer but what would we have to do to actually make it storm safe. He obviously has toolboxes, and all all these things that weigh it down, but is that enough or is it safe at all?
Nice job, but would it not be easier to bury said container and have stairs leading down to it?
Since this is a "storm shelter" though I guess you'd have to use concrete anyways up above to make like a proper bunker.... That's assuming this doesnt rust/corrode for a while
Please do not bury your container unless you know what you are doing. Ive written several reviews on this toppic on this guys videos. Ive designed several houses for shipping containers. I own several these make bad underground tornado shelters when people cut corners and go cheap. If this is what you want reach out to me or search his other videos and find my comments. I am not hateing on this guy. He is a sales person and created a business and is constantly innovating but is not an architect/ licensed GC / or structural engineer. Be careful!
He a scientist orange vest 🦺 lol
Yeah this will never hold in an ef5
Seems like a waste of money & time. Plenty of inexpensive electric radiant heat floor options for under both wood & laminate floors & subfloors. If you absolutely must have a concrete floor, use lightweight concrete or foam concrete like what is used in condo/apartment upstairs floors (1"-2" thick) and also used in upstairs balconies & decks, and pour over the existing floor. Use hardibacker cement board for tile floor applications although moving a container with a tile floor in it is likely a recipe for cracking. If you are building a container tornado shelter you should anchor the container to the ground rather than relying on added floor weight for additional stability, and enlist an engineer for assistance in the anchor method. Love the channel but disagree on this one.
Absolutely not a waste of time and it's not your money so what's the harm in pushing the envelope? Maybe you should have your own channel since it seems you have all the correct answers.
As per our Engineer, the lower center of gravity from the added weight of concrete increases the container's resistance of overturning from 140 mph to 230 mph. It'll actually now slide instead of tipping at those speeds needing it to be planted to the ground. We will design the ground anchor with our in-house engineering team. We are the professionals.
I love tile. I love Hardiebacker. Great products for tiny homes on a permanent foundation. Not great for storm shelters. This video is meant to spark your imagination, not to define a single method of construction. That's not how we roll.
@TheContainerGuyTV that's a much nicer way of saying it. Still working on my people skills!!!
Pouring concrete in the bottom of the container is "pushing the envelope". Ok lol..@@bignicnrg3856
Great channel overall but this one is a bit useless and egregious waste of money for no real benefit. First, where in the country (Canada in particular) would you have a good use of a concrete radiant floor and Tornados are a regular occurrence? As one other noted, you can do radiant flooring cheaper but this is a viable option for a Cold environment (long winters). More importantly, the "Storm shelter" in the title was just plan dumb (generally reserved for Tornados/Hurricanes, as anything else does not require a special "shelter"). Containers are terrible for Tornado/Hurricane protection. Debris would go right through the walls. You won't tip, just get impaled by flying debris. At least you'll be warm in that ice tornado 🤡
How many total inches of Crete did you end up with?
4" between the channels. The real test was over the fork pockets where it's only 1.5". Happy to report there's still no cracks!