@@MisterFench What resonated with me was that your production had none of that unnecessary "fluff" or annoying "fanfare" but rather you got straight to the point with all the info I was searching for. As an owner of a 2024 M3LR AWD, I wanted to see what I was missing out on when compared to the performance and I was easily able to do that with this quick succinct video and I believe that this style of vids will also appeal to many other viewers. Just some positive feedback and cheers from Dubai!
@McEssen really happy to hear that! That's also the direction I'm going for. A lot of videos online just full of nonsense, without getting into anything really useful. Glad to hear there are more people out there that enjoy this kind of content 🙏
Your Videos are always so chill and fun to watch. Definetly makes waiting, while saving some money, more fun :D Was also searching for a video like this to compare both highland long range and performance and there it is. Perfect, thank you! :)
The front motors run out of steam at higher speeds, so the new 3P rear motor is both more efficcient (more power turns into movement) and it can also handle up to 460hp. So when you hit 150+ km/h, the front motor drops off power on LR and P, but then the P can handle more power in the rear. Should be said that the 3P has been optimized for its staggered wheels and increased performance in the rear, not just the dampers and active shocks, but also sway bars etc. the new highland 3P has a very beefy sway bar compared to the older 3P teslas, while the front one is actually softer. This means the car is easier to torque steer than the old one, also it does a bit more oversteering when driven on track/around cones. Efficciency wise: wider and more sticky tires on the 3P do use more consumption, the front lip and rear spoiler also do give more downforce. But the performance model has a more efficcient rear motor, it also has aero holes in the front bumper which helps aero. The 3P is also a bit lowered, which helps the efficciency.
Out of spec reviews did extensive Tesla Model 3 variant range test. They fully charged the cars and drove steady 110 km/h until the usable battery was empty. Model 3 Long range with aero wheels consumed 18% less energy than Model 3 performance in that test. Energy consumption: 1. LR RWD (18" aero wheels) 128.0 Wh/km 2. RWD LFP (18" aero wheels): 132.4 Wh/km 3. LR AWD Panasonic (18" aero wheels) 133.6 Wh/km 4. LR AWD LG (19" wheels) 154.8 Wh/km 5. Performance (20" warp wheels with covers) 164.7 Wh/km
The LR is definitely a good compromise between overall range and driving fun. Aesthetically, the Performance version has no equal. With the new LR RWD, it opens up possibilities for all the skeptics worried about battery life, especially those not living in the mountains, though data shows it’s clearly less fast. Looking at Tesla’s overall offering, I’d say there’s something for everyone!
Hi Mr Fench, Thanks for the test! Very good production quality! Have to agree with others here, the LR with Aero wheel covers would make for a bigger difference I think.
Thanks Markus. Yes unfortunately the car came to me without Aero covers on, which I was also a bit disappointed of. Unfortunately nothing I could do about it and I had to use what I had. Another user mentioned that it may also have been on winter tires, and that the standard winter tires could increase consumption as much as 14%. Which may be why they were so close in efficiency (which surprised me alot)
I see 18 degrees in performance outside temp and 12 degrees in LR. The difference is pretty high. But i think the consumption is higher in performance only becayse of the tyres that are more sticky and on 20 inch wheels with 275 instead of 235. I think if you put the same wheels and tyres you can acheive the same results.
Great editing and to the point narration. Though with a range test you need to put more detail into the wheels as that is everything (size, tire, aero covers). Also a visual comparison table of all the stats would be handy. Thank you for the video.
@brian_huang appreciate it Brian 🙏 Yes, another person mentioned that the car may have been on winter tires, which I didn't consider checking. Learning as I go along with making these videos though, so I'll make note of everything that can be improved for future videos 🙂👍
I’m curious what you could tell in the difference in ride quality across the LR and the Performance model. I’m assuming the Performance model ride was less smoother than the LR considering it’s got a bigger wheel? Amazing video, by the way.
Personally I don't think there's any significant difference in ride quality, at least not in terms of comfort. Sure, you can feel a small difference, but I think that difference primarily comes down to the 20" wheels. You also immediately feel you're driving with 20" wheels just while steering, so it definitely also affects suspension. You both cars would be running 18" wheels, I doubt that you would be able to feel a difference in suspension. At least comfort wise. I'm sure you'll feel suspension differences when it comes to handling, the M3P handles like a dream going around corners. Such a pleasure to drive. I haven't yet found its limits, but I immediately started to notice the limits of the LR driving in a similar style. Also; Thank you! 🙂
The LR is far less efficient without the aero hubcaps on so that wasn't a fair comparison. I'd love to see you do a range test on your M3P with and without the aero bits in the wheels. My guess would be about 3%. Great video!
Yes, unfortunately the LR was given to me without the aero caps on so I wasn't able to test with. As far as removing the Aero caps on my own, I probably would not try that, I've seen and heard too many stories that they are fitted so tightly that you end up scratching the wheels when taking them on/off, so I'll just leave them :) (for now at least)
this is weird, I noticed LR model doesnt have aero wheel covers, but your performance has, so it would be more fair to have both with similar setup secondly is the LR already fitted with winter tyres? these are probably not the "infamous" summer eco EV tires which are responsible for lot of miracoulous consumption results.. just before this I was watching test with stock LR tyres and new slightly worn winter tires, and the difference was substatntial, about 14% higher consumption for winter tires so I have 2024 perfrormance and your results match with mine, but I would expect lower consuption with LR and it might be because of missing covers and winter tyres
Yes, unfortunately the LR didn't have Aero Covers on. I'm afraid there was nothing I could do about that, so had to test with the car I was given. As far as tires, you might be right. 14% higher consumption is crazy though. Maybe it was on winter tires then, as I was very surprised that the difference wasn't bigger!
@David77 I think it's comparable when in the standard setting, you of course have to acknowledge that it's sitting on 20inch low profile tires, so that's going to make the ride a bit firmer, but I believe if both cars had the same wheels it would be difficult to say which suspension is which
Hmmm... i have a few marks. Firstly it seems that the Long Range didn't had its AeroCaps on but on your Performance you have. Having the Aerocaps on a Lr did make 3% difference for the previous Model 3 (next move, driven side by side). Also it seems that when you tested your P it had 18° outside and for the Lr it just had 12°. Would explain the closer consumption on the first part of the Trip as the Lr had more to heat and also wind resistance is higher with colder/denser air. Out of Spec did a side by side and the Lr with Aero got, at 70mph 113kmh till they were completely dead, 26,7% more range but a Lr with 19" Tesla Rims only was 6% more efficient, so i guess the difference to a P is almost intiarly in the bigger Rims and the less efficient, wider and more sporty tires. Otherwise again a nice and entertaining Video.
Yes that would also align with my expectations, i.e. that the primary difference in efficiency is in the wheels. The new M3P should have a newer more efficient rear motor as well, but otherwise they are more or less identical, so it seems strange they would purposely software program it to have the power curve being less efficient in the eco modes (same thoughts on the previous gen)
Maybe with the aero covers installed on the photon wheels that the LR come with your results in Wh/km would have bee better. Removing the wheel covers is affecting range. See the recents "out of specs" results
The only thing that would really change this is if you had the aero covers on supposedly they're good for another 5% or so of efficiency making the Gap a little bigger between the performance and long range
I wonder how the Performance would do on those 18" tires with aero caps. I think you would have the exact same results as Long Range. Do you want to give it a try?
I would have loved to.That was also my plan. I wanted to put it on 18" winter tires. Unfortunately I learned that the 18" don't fit due to the larger brakes. Plus in Germany you need to get any other wheel sizes approved by the department of motorvehicles. (Any size besides the 20" and 19" 275)
I own M3 highland AWD LR. Closing 1 year as i was one of the first to get it in my region. I really enjoy the ride. If tesla releases acceleration boost package, i will definitely add it. I think that in your comparison you should have driven the LR in chill mode not standard. It is not clear if you did. If you didn't then you might get a larger gab between them in terms of efficiency once you do.
In the efficiency comparison the LR was driven in chill mode. The interface was set to German in the car, so it will say 'Lässig' (not sure why they felt the need to translate chill 🙂). I personally don't think they will release an acceleration boost for the highland series. That will close the gap (and revenue) too close to the Performance version. I also believe they did some Aero changes that would affect instability at higher speeds, why they also limited it to 200. Regardless of that though, the LR as it is, is plenty fast. Basically as fast as a new base 911, can't ask for much more 🙂
Same here, i got mine in 15 of December last year. It has now 13144km and average consumption is 167Wh/km, to keep in mind that last winter we had -30C° with a lot of snow also. In my opinion, in everyday use, my TM3 LR AWD is AWESOME, enough power even in Chill mode. What about You, range and so? Greetings from Finland🙋♂️😊
@@JT-cf4kk How does it fare in -30C? I think I recall some video from the US where they had record low temperatures and a lot of EV owners had issues with their cars not being able to drive due to too low battery temperatures? (or maybe it was related to something else, but definitely something caused by extreme cold)
@@MisterFench This is the thing. The S90 and S60 are great cars but Volvo have decided to stop selling them and their sales tactics are now really rather questionable. Tesla on the other hand let you do whatever you want with one for an hour and then just ask "so, do you want it?" I much prefer this.
I think the Model 3 Long Range can be even more efficient. The car you drove didn't have the aerodynamic wheel covers, and that also might affect it's consumption. Consider doing a comparison between a Long Range with and without the wheel covers on them.
@miguelnascimento8090 Yes, that's true. I would have preferred to test with the covers on myself, unfortunately the car I received just didn't have them on and was also not in the car 🫤
It's actually something I was a little worried about after my last full day of filming accelerations, however upon checking below it was completely dry. No a single drop. Not to say there couldn't be a leak under the covers, but there was at least nothing that would point towards it
Loving you politely spoke content. Would you mind, talk about the differences between weather? The fog, couldn't it minimizing a little bit more the differences between the two models? Thank you Sir.
@MarceloTezza Yes, fog could potentially affect the efficiency of a range test, even if both cars were tested under similar foggy conditions. Fog increases air humidity, which can slightly increase aerodynamic drag. However, since both cars were tested in similar fog conditions, the impact might be minimal. The key factor here would be how consistent the fog and other environmental conditions were on each test day.
@@MisterFench Yes, my point is, maybe both cars at the same foggy conditions are affected, but this results in lesser difference between the two in an disproportional way. So on ideal conditions the differences would be bigger betweent the 2. the fog might equalize a little bit more.
@MarceloTezza ah, I misread it the first time, apologies. Yes you may be right about that theory! That's something I have actually talked about earlier, that since electrics car's efficiency relies so heavily on ideal conditions, any smaller changes may alter the pratical results
He’s saying the top end above 50mph is not drastically different from the LR. You can vlame the crappy LG battery for that. Under 50mph the difference is still massive though
@@nickolassnielsenhe specifies upwards of 150 it’s more noticeable. Meaning day to day when on on ramps or overtaking the difference in very negligible. Rarely do I ever accelerate past 150kmh so it’s a bunmer for me. The modt useful metric for me is the 80-150kmh, and at those speeds he did feel close to no difference. Maybe your butt dyno is more sensitive than his 😅
Thanks for that I really appreciate your videos! If I take the official EPA range on the canadian tesla website (to get EPA range, WLTP means nothing) I get : 478km for the perf 502km for the LR dual with 19 wheels ( +5% vs perf ) 548km for the LR dual with 18 wheels + photon caps ( +15% vs perf) So consistant with you test 18 wheels without photon caps ( +9% vs perf ) Waiting my dual motor ETA 7/11/2024 in France
Thanks for the numbers! That sounds very in tune with my results then! Yeah I don't know why these WLTP ratings are even legal, they are so misleading.
1. I envy how you can cruise 130 in a highway. The germans really nailed their roads. 2. My LR with 18’ with wheel caps yield better numbers that your test. 3. I live in a warmer climate. Perhaps thats better for batt efficiency.
Aero caps should definitely improve efficiency, same as climate. I'm afraid that cruising at constant speed is only possible on Sundays when the roads are as good as empty 🙂
Really enjoying your vids. Was gonna bring up about the aero caps but somebody else already did. I put 18 inch wheels with Hankook 235/45/-18 iON EVO AS tires on my M3P and I’m averaging 221 Wh/mi over the past 1,800 miles. The M3P can come super close to the long range with just changing the wheels out. However, they don’t even look half as good as the 20 inch wheels. But I’ve always been a function over form guy myself. Love my M3P but I drive it like an old man. I’m actually enjoying the game of getting the most efficiency out of it, rather than using it for the performance. Debating trading it in on a long range rwd since I’m not using the performance for what I thought I was going to. 👴🏼
We're the same in that department, Dave. I have a blast seeing how efficiently I'm able to drive the car. Especially as it's a 500 hp car! There's no way in the world of ICE, that you can get that kind of efficiency from a 500 hp car :-) That's part of what makes it so fun to drive these electric cars. Y ou really get the best of both sides. Efficiency, and insane performance.
Interesting and very good comparison. I can also tell you that at 120 km/h, the difference in efficiency between a Highland LR AWD and a Model Y LR AWD is 15%. (169 vs 196 Wh/km). Tesla does make very efficient cars !
Polite request. Please don’t refer to bends as “corners”. A corner happens eg. at a junction and a bend happens eg. on a motorway. Analysing the vanishing point of a bend is how stability can be created. However, the weight distribution of a model 3 makes the car feel heavier on tighter bends than a car with an engine.
If you're referring to the B-Roll at the time of the voiceover, then yes, that wasn't truly a "corner" but I did not have any footage of doing a bit more aggressive driving 🙂 Silverstone racetrack has 18 defined corners, even if some of them may better be referred to as bends
good video and i am a subscriber to you good channel I wonder what the power upgrade does to the range on long range it takes 0.5 sec off 0-60 I would like you to test the new long range RWD great range and price is decent
@patpong5873 currently no power upgrade available to the LR, I'm not sure if they're going to bring one. Right now only available to the pre facelift afaik 👍
Not really, unless you do fast accelerations in between. Chill mode limits the max power, so by that it wont be able to drain the battery as much as the other modes. At a constant speed there shouldn't be any difference. (Maybe for Insane mode. I believe it starts heating the battery fot better performance, so there will be a bit higher consumption due to the heater
thank you for the tests, and your evaluation it sounds like the M3P 2024 with 4x18” wheels would equal or perhaps outperform the M3LR 2024 range? thinking about getting a M3P 2024 and immediately replacing with 4x19” wheels and Hankook tires, what do you think?
It should be close to equal at least. I believe most of the efficiency loss is simply due to the bigger and wider wheels fitted on the Performance model. Unfortunately in Europe, the only alternative tires that can be fitted on the M3P, are 19" that are also 275 wide (rear). It would have been great if I could put on the 18" LR wheels, then I would have surely done that.
@snodgee in our roadtrip videos we have 3 in the car (baby) but driving around for range tests with the kid isn't ideal. These videos always take a couple of hours to shoot
I'm sorry, but your comparison is invalid. Your video shows that the LR was driving in 12 degrees Celcius and the P in 18 degrees. That makes an enormous difference for the battery and your heating etc. I can vouch for that driving a 2022 M3LR for more than 150.000 miles and 4 seasons. The only way these comparisons are valid is if the cars are driving on the same day under the same (traffic) circumstances.
Not entirely true. If you look at the temperatures on timestamp 7:12 and 7:26 they are just within 1 degree of eachother. In the beginning there may have been a bigger difference, but that hasn't been for very long as mid trip the weather was entirely the same. I of course appreciate the fact that these tests are better made with both cars driving on the same day under the same circumstances (wind/weather/traffic), it's however difficult as I'm just a single person doing videos as a hobby, and don't have a team behind me to help 🙂 - as far as traffic, both cars kept a constant 120 kph on cruise control. Not a traffic heavy day when tests were carried out.
That "1 sec" value is misleading. It's not a difference between 10sec and 9sec, it's between 4.25 and 3.25, which translates into a whopping 33% difference in g-force, that's HUGE! Unlike what this reviewer said, there was also a 10% acceleration difference at 100-150kph (look closely at his numbers) and much more than that afterwards. Overall the m3p highland is a MUCH faster car. It also handles better, looks better, not much less efficient or less comfortable. If you're after performance, the m3p highland is such an amazing deal.
@@Achillias it's both a fact and misleading. Misleading because many people don't comprehend that when the 1 second difference is between 4.2 and 3.2 it translates to HUGE g-force difference. When it's between 10sec and 9sec, it's a small g-force differece.
Hi, I have the exact same spec incl. color, just not using the aero covers (I actually got them separately in a box from Tesla and never put them on), do you know how big difference could that make? Would be great if you tested it.. also, I got the car about a month ago and just one week in, the main computer malfunctioned, so I am now waiting for replacement (still no ETA from Tesla), car is working, "just" without any gps, cameras, sensors etc 😂
Had the Aero Covers not been on, I probably also wouldn't have fitted them. With them being on, I don't wish to try and remove them, as I hear it's quite easy to damage/scratch the wheels in the process. I expect you'll get a 3-5% better range with them on. That's what I've heard at least
Great work! Well as a citizen of Czechia I am more inclined towards Standard range as the car itself is already pretty expensive (counted with average salary around 2000 Eur gross). Also I am more relaxed driver and have two kids. I really don’t need performance rather safe car. Basically only thing I am scared of are Czech roads which are nowhere near the quality of German ones.
I think the Long Range RWD version is a no-brainer! So efficient and it surely will be faster than 98% of cars on the road. Are the CZ roads really that bad? I've been driving in Bulgaria and those are some crazy bad roads. Potholes the size of horses. Felt like driving around on a minefield
@@MisterFench I live in a block of flats without garage. There is no charger nearby so I think Standard Range (besides it is much cheaper now) is better choice due to its LFP battery which can be charged up to 100 % and seems to be better choice for people without house and home charging. Sadly yeah. We are neighbor country of yours yet the quality of roads besides some highways is really terrible. That is why I cannot have the current Tesla Model Y due to its firm suspension which makes car behave like some donkey jumping on every hole in the road. My babies don't like this. Tesla Model 3 Highland can mostly handle this. All in all I still have to wait for some price decrease. It is still very expensive car even the Standard Range. Or maybe it is time to move to Germany :))
@@alpenfoxvideo7255 Okay yeah, that's a good reason to go for something AWD 🙂 I also wouldn't recommend the Performance then, as ground clearance is significantly lower. I scrape out in my driveway in the performance, but not with a LR.
Ich hatte das Long Range einige Wochen und jetzt wieder mein Performance. Was sagst du zum Komfort? Da macht man schon ziemliche Abstriche beim Performance, vor allem auf der Autobahn. Habe ich nicht mit gerechnet aber ist halt auch ein Sportfahrwerk. Einige hier auf UA-cam wollen einem ja verklickern, dass die im Komfort identisch sind aber das ist alleine schon durch die Felgen unmöglich.
@@09herrschafften90Ja. Das hat aber keinen nennenswerten Einfluss auf die Federung oder dem Komfort. Bei den beiden Modi geht es eher darum ob straff oder straffer. Im Sportmodus merkt man, dass das Fahrwerk beim lenken nicht mehr so stark schwankt und Kurven usw. machen da mehr Spaß. Aber in Sachen Komfort tut sich nicht wirklich was.
@@IboKnowsBest Also ich empfinde schon einen deutlich spürbaren Unterschied zwischen den beiden Modi. Bei Sport merkt man viel mehr Unebenheiten, da sie direkter auf die Karosserie übertragen werden, während Standard viel dämpft. Im direkten vergleich LR Standard vs P Standard, ist der LR natürlich aufgrund seiner 18" Felgen klar weicher und man gleitet mehr über den Asphalt. Allerdings ist mir das auf der Autobahn einfach zu viel Federung, daher liebe ich die Möglichkeit einfach kurz auf Sport stellen zu können. In Verbindung mit der "schweren" Lenkung hat man dann auch bei +200km/h keinerlei Stabilitätsprobleme.
@@callsaul8835 Ich hatte vor einigen Wochen die Gelegenheit, dass M3P Highland ca. 1,5 h zu testen. Stadt, Land, Autobahn. Und ich meine auch einen spürbaren Unterschied zwischen den beiden Modi festgestellt zu haben. Habe mich in Sport irgendwie wohler gefühlt. Alles in allem fand ich das Fahrwerk ganz passabel. Im Komfort Modus auf Kopfsteinpflaster bei einer Ortsdurchfahrt sogar eher zu weich. Das Auto hat sich aufgeschaukelt und wurde etwas schwammig am Lenkrad.
@williammayah I saw that William. Was hoping you'd say something in the comments so I could thank you directly 🫡 I really appreciate that, you're awesome 🙏🙏👌😊 You'll absolutely love it! Beast of a car and with the practicality of a small SUV 👌
EVs are quite safer than ICE cars, to start with when you loose control they stay on the ground. But if you want to go at 300 km/h and more and be even safer, take the train, at least in Europe.
Very well edited, smoothly narrated and straight to the point real world testing. Well done and I had to subscribe!
@McEssen very much appreciated, thank you 🙏🫡😉
@@MisterFench What resonated with me was that your production had none of that unnecessary "fluff" or annoying "fanfare" but rather you got straight to the point with all the info I was searching for. As an owner of a 2024 M3LR AWD, I wanted to see what I was missing out on when compared to the performance and I was easily able to do that with this quick succinct video and I believe that this style of vids will also appeal to many other viewers. Just some positive feedback and cheers from Dubai!
@McEssen really happy to hear that! That's also the direction I'm going for. A lot of videos online just full of nonsense, without getting into anything really useful. Glad to hear there are more people out there that enjoy this kind of content 🙏
Your Videos are always so chill and fun to watch. Definetly makes waiting, while saving some money, more fun :D
Was also searching for a video like this to compare both highland long range and performance and there it is. Perfect, thank you! :)
Really happy to hear other people are also enjoying these tests and not just myself 😅
The front motors run out of steam at higher speeds, so the new 3P rear motor is both more efficcient (more power turns into movement) and it can also handle up to 460hp.
So when you hit 150+ km/h, the front motor drops off power on LR and P, but then the P can handle more power in the rear.
Should be said that the 3P has been optimized for its staggered wheels and increased performance in the rear, not just the dampers and active shocks, but also sway bars etc. the new highland 3P has a very beefy sway bar compared to the older 3P teslas, while the front one is actually softer. This means the car is easier to torque steer than the old one, also it does a bit more oversteering when driven on track/around cones.
Efficciency wise: wider and more sticky tires on the 3P do use more consumption, the front lip and rear spoiler also do give more downforce.
But the performance model has a more efficcient rear motor, it also has aero holes in the front bumper which helps aero.
The 3P is also a bit lowered, which helps the efficciency.
Out of spec reviews did extensive Tesla Model 3 variant range test. They fully charged the cars and drove steady 110 km/h until the usable battery was empty.
Model 3 Long range with aero wheels consumed 18% less energy than Model 3 performance in that test.
Energy consumption:
1. LR RWD (18" aero wheels) 128.0 Wh/km
2. RWD LFP (18" aero wheels): 132.4 Wh/km
3. LR AWD Panasonic (18" aero wheels) 133.6 Wh/km
4. LR AWD LG (19" wheels) 154.8 Wh/km
5. Performance (20" warp wheels with covers) 164.7 Wh/km
128.0 Wh/km result is crazy for the new LR RWD!
This is a perfect comparison. Thx man
The LR is definitely a good compromise between overall range and driving fun. Aesthetically, the Performance version has no equal. With the new LR RWD, it opens up possibilities for all the skeptics worried about battery life, especially those not living in the mountains, though data shows it’s clearly less fast. Looking at Tesla’s overall offering, I’d say there’s something for everyone!
Hi Mr Fench,
Thanks for the test! Very good production quality!
Have to agree with others here, the LR with Aero wheel covers would make for a bigger difference I think.
Thanks Markus. Yes unfortunately the car came to me without Aero covers on, which I was also a bit disappointed of. Unfortunately nothing I could do about it and I had to use what I had. Another user mentioned that it may also have been on winter tires, and that the standard winter tires could increase consumption as much as 14%. Which may be why they were so close in efficiency (which surprised me alot)
That LG battery is really killing the top end. Hope tesla addresses this in the coming years
True. A lot more power is needed after 150 kph. A shame the LG isn't able to outout the max from the motors
Did you use the Aero caps for the LR efficiency tests? They can provide as much as 6% improvement especially at higher speeds.
@@LearningFast unfortunately the car was given to me without aero caps. Would ideally have had them on, just not possible this time. 🫤
@@MisterFench that is fine. Running them without the caps is how most people like to use the car.
Yeap with the caps on you can substract another 5%. Was any temperature difference? I obtained a 195kw at 150kmh driving for 1hour and 150km.
@DragosT8 temperature difference was no more than a few degrees celcius, so should not have played a role. Possibly just comes down to the aero caps!
I see 18 degrees in performance outside temp and 12 degrees in LR. The difference is pretty high. But i think the consumption is higher in performance only becayse of the tyres that are more sticky and on 20 inch wheels with 275 instead of 235. I think if you put the same wheels and tyres you can acheive the same results.
Thanks for the great rundown everything. Used your referral code and picked one up myself! Hope you're enjoying your Performance model!
@joshhousman8451 You're the best Josh! Thank you my friend! 🙏🙏🙏 You'll love yours too, no doubt about it, enjoy! 👌👌🫡
Super well done to you Mister Fench. An excellent real world comparison. Very well shot and perfectly narrated.
Thank you so much my friend 🙏
We Want 0-100 Supercharger test !!! 🎉
@lexus77077 oh man, that sounds like a full day standing at a supercharger 😅
@@MisterFench its a 1:00 hr , but want to see it timelaps
Here in Europe, it's the identical battery. So no difference at charging...
Very practical and useful test, thanks!
Great editing and to the point narration. Though with a range test you need to put more detail into the wheels as that is everything (size, tire, aero covers). Also a visual comparison table of all the stats would be handy. Thank you for the video.
@brian_huang appreciate it Brian 🙏 Yes, another person mentioned that the car may have been on winter tires, which I didn't consider checking. Learning as I go along with making these videos though, so I'll make note of everything that can be improved for future videos 🙂👍
I’m curious what you could tell in the difference in ride quality across the LR and the Performance model. I’m assuming the Performance model ride was less smoother than the LR considering it’s got a bigger wheel?
Amazing video, by the way.
Personally I don't think there's any significant difference in ride quality, at least not in terms of comfort. Sure, you can feel a small difference, but I think that difference primarily comes down to the 20" wheels. You also immediately feel you're driving with 20" wheels just while steering, so it definitely also affects suspension.
You both cars would be running 18" wheels, I doubt that you would be able to feel a difference in suspension. At least comfort wise. I'm sure you'll feel suspension differences when it comes to handling, the M3P handles like a dream going around corners. Such a pleasure to drive. I haven't yet found its limits, but I immediately started to notice the limits of the LR driving in a similar style.
Also; Thank you! 🙂
The LR is far less efficient without the aero hubcaps on so that wasn't a fair comparison. I'd love to see you do a range test on your M3P with and without the aero bits in the wheels. My guess would be about 3%. Great video!
Yes, unfortunately the LR was given to me without the aero caps on so I wasn't able to test with. As far as removing the Aero caps on my own, I probably would not try that, I've seen and heard too many stories that they are fitted so tightly that you end up scratching the wheels when taking them on/off, so I'll just leave them :) (for now at least)
Trust me because I have a new M3P. The longer you leave them on the more they will scratch your wheels.
this is weird, I noticed LR model doesnt have aero wheel covers, but your performance has, so it would be more fair to have both with similar setup
secondly is the LR already fitted with winter tyres? these are probably not the "infamous" summer eco EV tires which are responsible for lot of miracoulous consumption results.. just before this I was watching test with stock LR tyres and new slightly worn winter tires, and the difference was substatntial, about 14% higher consumption for winter tires
so I have 2024 perfrormance and your results match with mine, but I would expect lower consuption with LR and it might be because of missing covers and winter tyres
Yes, unfortunately the LR didn't have Aero Covers on. I'm afraid there was nothing I could do about that, so had to test with the car I was given. As far as tires, you might be right. 14% higher consumption is crazy though. Maybe it was on winter tires then, as I was very surprised that the difference wasn't bigger!
How was the comfort suspension wise. Is adaptive suspension on standard mode comparable to the suspension on the LR model?
@David77 I think it's comparable when in the standard setting, you of course have to acknowledge that it's sitting on 20inch low profile tires, so that's going to make the ride a bit firmer, but I believe if both cars had the same wheels it would be difficult to say which suspension is which
Awesome comparison! I'm impressed by the efficiency of the Performance Model. I'm now even more excited to get mine next monday :D
It's truly amazing! Congrats on the car, you will absolutely love it
Hmmm... i have a few marks. Firstly it seems that the Long Range didn't had its AeroCaps on but on your Performance you have. Having the Aerocaps on a Lr did make 3% difference for the previous Model 3 (next move, driven side by side).
Also it seems that when you tested your P it had 18° outside and for the Lr it just had 12°. Would explain the closer consumption on the first part of the Trip as the Lr had more to heat and also wind resistance is higher with colder/denser air.
Out of Spec did a side by side and the Lr with Aero got, at 70mph 113kmh till they were completely dead, 26,7% more range but a Lr with 19" Tesla Rims only was 6% more efficient, so i guess the difference to a P is almost intiarly in the bigger Rims and the less efficient, wider and more sporty tires.
Otherwise again a nice and entertaining Video.
Yes that would also align with my expectations, i.e. that the primary difference in efficiency is in the wheels. The new M3P should have a newer more efficient rear motor as well, but otherwise they are more or less identical, so it seems strange they would purposely software program it to have the power curve being less efficient in the eco modes (same thoughts on the previous gen)
Maybe with the aero covers installed on the photon wheels that the LR come with your results in Wh/km would have bee better. Removing the wheel covers is affecting range. See the recents "out of specs" results
The only thing that would really change this is if you had the aero covers on supposedly they're good for another 5% or so of efficiency making the Gap a little bigger between the performance and long range
I wonder how the Performance would do on those 18" tires with aero caps. I think you would have the exact same results as Long Range. Do you want to give it a try?
I would have loved to.That was also my plan. I wanted to put it on 18" winter tires. Unfortunately I learned that the 18" don't fit due to the larger brakes. Plus in Germany you need to get any other wheel sizes approved by the department of motorvehicles. (Any size besides the 20" and 19" 275)
@@MisterFenchwhat is the disc size? Even on Audi S6 you can use 18’…
I own M3 highland AWD LR. Closing 1 year as i was one of the first to get it in my region. I really enjoy the ride. If tesla releases acceleration boost package, i will definitely add it. I think that in your comparison you should have driven the LR in chill mode not standard. It is not clear if you did. If you didn't then you might get a larger gab between them in terms of efficiency once you do.
In the efficiency comparison the LR was driven in chill mode. The interface was set to German in the car, so it will say 'Lässig' (not sure why they felt the need to translate chill 🙂). I personally don't think they will release an acceleration boost for the highland series. That will close the gap (and revenue) too close to the Performance version. I also believe they did some Aero changes that would affect instability at higher speeds, why they also limited it to 200. Regardless of that though, the LR as it is, is plenty fast. Basically as fast as a new base 911, can't ask for much more 🙂
Same here, i got mine in 15 of December last year. It has now 13144km and average consumption is 167Wh/km, to keep in mind that last winter we had -30C° with a lot of snow also. In my opinion, in everyday use, my TM3 LR AWD is AWESOME, enough power even in Chill mode.
What about You, range and so?
Greetings from Finland🙋♂️😊
@@JT-cf4kk How does it fare in -30C? I think I recall some video from the US where they had record low temperatures and a lot of EV owners had issues with their cars not being able to drive due to too low battery temperatures? (or maybe it was related to something else, but definitely something caused by extreme cold)
@@MisterFench AVERAGE consumption 167wh/km AFTER 13144km, INCLUDED harsh winter drives, lights a bulb now, no? 🤷♂️🤦♂️
@JT-cf4kk yeah I got that 😅 It's not what I meant though, I meant if you had any battery issues with temperatures that low 🙂
Too bad you didn't have the wheel caps on the Long Range for the test. Aren't they supposed to help with the range considerably?
@cdude996 yes it's a shame they didn't come with the car, would have preferred to test them with! Supposedly they improve as much as 2-4% 👍
Another seriously helpful video. Thanks for this. I'm hovering over the buy button after getting the runaround by Volvo.
Glad it was helpful! Volvo also makes amazing cars. For electric though, I would probably stick with the high efficiency (and perf) of Tesla 🫡
@@MisterFench This is the thing. The S90 and S60 are great cars but Volvo have decided to stop selling them and their sales tactics are now really rather questionable. Tesla on the other hand let you do whatever you want with one for an hour and then just ask "so, do you want it?" I much prefer this.
I think the Model 3 Long Range can be even more efficient. The car you drove didn't have the aerodynamic wheel covers, and that also might affect it's consumption. Consider doing a comparison between a Long Range with and without the wheel covers on them.
@miguelnascimento8090 Yes, that's true. I would have preferred to test with the covers on myself, unfortunately the car I received just didn't have them on and was also not in the car 🫤
long range rwd is the effiency king, obviously not the AWD. they are close together anyway
Hi, Did you see any oil leak from the rear drive unit like US owners of M3P?
It's actually something I was a little worried about after my last full day of filming accelerations, however upon checking below it was completely dry. No a single drop. Not to say there couldn't be a leak under the covers, but there was at least nothing that would point towards it
@@MisterFench Thanks
Loving you politely spoke content. Would you mind, talk about the differences between weather? The fog, couldn't it minimizing a little bit more the differences between the two models?
Thank you Sir.
@MarceloTezza Yes, fog could potentially affect the efficiency of a range test, even if both cars were tested under similar foggy conditions. Fog increases air humidity, which can slightly increase aerodynamic drag. However, since both cars were tested in similar fog conditions, the impact might be minimal. The key factor here would be how consistent the fog and other environmental conditions were on each test day.
@@MisterFench Yes, my point is, maybe both cars at the same foggy conditions are affected, but this results in lesser difference between the two in an disproportional way.
So on ideal conditions the differences would be bigger betweent the 2.
the fog might equalize a little bit more.
@MarceloTezza ah, I misread it the first time, apologies. Yes you may be right about that theory! That's something I have actually talked about earlier, that since electrics car's efficiency relies so heavily on ideal conditions, any smaller changes may alter the pratical results
What device did you use to measure the acceleration? The difference in acceleration is extremely noticeable.
@@LearningFast Dragy GPS verified runs
@@MisterFench great thanks. Did you upload the results to Dragy? Just curious about the intermediate times.
He’s saying the top end above 50mph is not drastically different from the LR. You can vlame the crappy LG battery for that. Under 50mph the difference is still massive though
@@louisolivierfortin difference 2 sec 100-200 is a lot.. The performance use a more powerful inverter an engine in the back
@@nickolassnielsenhe specifies upwards of 150 it’s more noticeable. Meaning day to day when on on ramps or overtaking the difference in very negligible. Rarely do I ever accelerate past 150kmh so it’s a bunmer for me. The modt useful metric for me is the 80-150kmh, and at those speeds he did feel close to no difference. Maybe your butt dyno is more sensitive than his 😅
Thanks for that I really appreciate your videos!
If I take the official EPA range on the canadian tesla website (to get EPA range, WLTP means nothing) I get :
478km for the perf
502km for the LR dual with 19 wheels ( +5% vs perf )
548km for the LR dual with 18 wheels + photon caps ( +15% vs perf)
So consistant with you test 18 wheels without photon caps ( +9% vs perf )
Waiting my dual motor ETA 7/11/2024 in France
Thanks for the numbers! That sounds very in tune with my results then! Yeah I don't know why these WLTP ratings are even legal, they are so misleading.
May I ask which app you are using to record acceleration time? Thank you
@@IvanChan1804 Of course, I use a Dragy GPS Performance Meter
1. I envy how you can cruise 130 in a highway. The germans really nailed their roads.
2. My LR with 18’ with wheel caps yield better numbers that your test.
3. I live in a warmer climate. Perhaps thats better for batt efficiency.
Aero caps should definitely improve efficiency, same as climate. I'm afraid that cruising at constant speed is only possible on Sundays when the roads are as good as empty 🙂
Really enjoying your vids. Was gonna bring up about the aero caps but somebody else already did. I put 18 inch wheels with Hankook 235/45/-18 iON EVO AS tires on my M3P and I’m averaging 221 Wh/mi over the past 1,800 miles. The M3P can come super close to the long range with just changing the wheels out. However, they don’t even look half as good as the 20 inch wheels. But I’ve always been a function over form guy myself.
Love my M3P but I drive it like an old man. I’m actually enjoying the game of getting the most efficiency out of it, rather than using it for the performance. Debating trading it in on a long range rwd since I’m not using the performance for what I thought I was going to. 👴🏼
We're the same in that department, Dave. I have a blast seeing how efficiently I'm able to drive the car. Especially as it's a 500 hp car! There's no way in the world of ICE, that you can get that kind of efficiency from a 500 hp car :-) That's part of what makes it so fun to drive these electric cars. Y ou really get the best of both sides. Efficiency, and insane performance.
What app did you use to test the 0-100 test? I need one like that lol
Used Dragy GPS 🙏
Interesting and very good comparison.
I can also tell you that at 120 km/h, the difference in efficiency between a Highland LR AWD and a Model Y LR AWD is 15%. (169 vs 196 Wh/km). Tesla does make very efficient cars !
I suppose the model Y has considerably more wind resistance, so only being 15% less efficient is actually quite impressive!
150 kph is the normal speed - everything else is creeping on the Autobahn.
The question is how the range is in general at that speed.
Polite request. Please don’t refer to bends as “corners”. A corner happens eg. at a junction and a bend happens eg. on a motorway. Analysing the vanishing point of a bend is how stability can be created. However, the weight distribution of a model 3 makes the car feel heavier on tighter bends than a car with an engine.
If you're referring to the B-Roll at the time of the voiceover, then yes, that wasn't truly a "corner" but I did not have any footage of doing a bit more aggressive driving 🙂 Silverstone racetrack has 18 defined corners, even if some of them may better be referred to as bends
good video and i am a subscriber to you good channel I wonder what the power upgrade does to the range on long range it takes 0.5 sec off 0-60 I would like you to test the new long range RWD great range and price is decent
@patpong5873 currently no power upgrade available to the LR, I'm not sure if they're going to bring one. Right now only available to the pre facelift afaik 👍
Is their a difference between chill, standard and ludacris when you drive 120 and 150kmh on Autobahn?
Not really, unless you do fast accelerations in between. Chill mode limits the max power, so by that it wont be able to drain the battery as much as the other modes. At a constant speed there shouldn't be any difference. (Maybe for Insane mode. I believe it starts heating the battery fot better performance, so there will be a bit higher consumption due to the heater
thank you for the tests, and your evaluation
it sounds like the M3P 2024 with 4x18” wheels would equal or perhaps outperform the M3LR 2024 range?
thinking about getting a M3P 2024 and immediately replacing with 4x19” wheels and Hankook tires, what do you think?
It should be close to equal at least. I believe most of the efficiency loss is simply due to the bigger and wider wheels fitted on the Performance model. Unfortunately in Europe, the only alternative tires that can be fitted on the M3P, are 19" that are also 275 wide (rear). It would have been great if I could put on the 18" LR wheels, then I would have surely done that.
Why do you all do the range test with only one person in the car
@snodgee in our roadtrip videos we have 3 in the car (baby) but driving around for range tests with the kid isn't ideal. These videos always take a couple of hours to shoot
I like how the Ioniq 2017-2019 is more efficient.
The 100 - 200 is why I sold my Dual Motor for a Plaid. It’s quick but not fast
@sasukesuite1 plaid is on an entirely different level though! Like, insane. Nice car mate 👌
I'm sorry, but your comparison is invalid. Your video shows that the LR was driving in 12 degrees Celcius and the P in 18 degrees. That makes an enormous difference for the battery and your heating etc. I can vouch for that driving a 2022 M3LR for more than 150.000 miles and 4 seasons.
The only way these comparisons are valid is if the cars are driving on the same day under the same (traffic) circumstances.
No, I have between 20°C and 10°C almost the same consumption in my LR. +/- 1%
Not entirely true. If you look at the temperatures on timestamp 7:12 and 7:26 they are just within 1 degree of eachother. In the beginning there may have been a bigger difference, but that hasn't been for very long as mid trip the weather was entirely the same.
I of course appreciate the fact that these tests are better made with both cars driving on the same day under the same circumstances (wind/weather/traffic), it's however difficult as I'm just a single person doing videos as a hobby, and don't have a team behind me to help 🙂 - as far as traffic, both cars kept a constant 120 kph on cruise control. Not a traffic heavy day when tests were carried out.
Would love to see a comparison with the LR RWD
The Long range is enough, would take range over 1 second being faster in 0-100
That "1 sec" value is misleading. It's not a difference between 10sec and 9sec, it's between 4.25 and 3.25, which translates into a whopping 33% difference in g-force, that's HUGE!
Unlike what this reviewer said, there was also a 10% acceleration difference at 100-150kph (look closely at his numbers) and much more than that afterwards.
Overall the m3p highland is a MUCH faster car. It also handles better, looks better, not much less efficient or less comfortable.
If you're after performance, the m3p highland is such an amazing deal.
@@nm-yi4yf It's not misleading, it's a fact.
@@Achillias it's both a fact and misleading. Misleading because many people don't comprehend that when the 1 second difference is between 4.2 and 3.2 it translates to HUGE g-force difference. When it's between 10sec and 9sec, it's a small g-force differece.
Long range looks ugly tho. The side air ducts and the front splitter of the performance are sexy af.
Not to mention this isn't the American version which is much faster
Hi, I have the exact same spec incl. color, just not using the aero covers (I actually got them separately in a box from Tesla and never put them on), do you know how big difference could that make? Would be great if you tested it.. also, I got the car about a month ago and just one week in, the main computer malfunctioned, so I am now waiting for replacement (still no ETA from Tesla), car is working, "just" without any gps, cameras, sensors etc 😂
Had the Aero Covers not been on, I probably also wouldn't have fitted them. With them being on, I don't wish to try and remove them, as I hear it's quite easy to damage/scratch the wheels in the process. I expect you'll get a 3-5% better range with them on. That's what I've heard at least
Great work! Well as a citizen of Czechia I am more inclined towards Standard range as the car itself is already pretty expensive (counted with average salary around 2000 Eur gross).
Also I am more relaxed driver and have two kids. I really don’t need performance rather safe car.
Basically only thing I am scared of are Czech roads which are nowhere near the quality of German ones.
I think the Long Range RWD version is a no-brainer! So efficient and it surely will be faster than 98% of cars on the road. Are the CZ roads really that bad? I've been driving in Bulgaria and those are some crazy bad roads. Potholes the size of horses. Felt like driving around on a minefield
@@MisterFench I live in a block of flats without garage. There is no charger nearby so I think Standard Range (besides it is much cheaper now) is better choice due to its LFP battery which can be charged up to 100 % and seems to be better choice for people without house and home charging.
Sadly yeah. We are neighbor country of yours yet the quality of roads besides some highways is really terrible. That is why I cannot have the current Tesla Model Y due to its firm suspension which makes car behave like some donkey jumping on every hole in the road. My babies don't like this. Tesla Model 3 Highland can mostly handle this.
All in all I still have to wait for some price decrease. It is still very expensive car even the Standard Range. Or maybe it is time to move to Germany :))
Idk weather to buy the Long range or performance... Perf for the lols, but with a second set of wheels the price difference is not negligeable
If you don't need AWD, I would go for the RWD LR, such a beast in terms of efficiency, and also plenty fast!
@@MisterFench Sadly I do, I currently have a 2019 RWD and living in the alps is a bit sketchy
@@alpenfoxvideo7255 Okay yeah, that's a good reason to go for something AWD 🙂 I also wouldn't recommend the Performance then, as ground clearance is significantly lower. I scrape out in my driveway in the performance, but not with a LR.
Ich hatte das Long Range einige Wochen und jetzt wieder mein Performance. Was sagst du zum Komfort?
Da macht man schon ziemliche Abstriche beim Performance, vor allem auf der Autobahn. Habe ich nicht mit gerechnet aber ist halt auch ein Sportfahrwerk. Einige hier auf UA-cam wollen einem ja verklickern, dass die im Komfort identisch sind aber das ist alleine schon durch die Felgen unmöglich.
Meinst du das bezogen auf das highland? Das hat ja ein adaptive FW mit zwei verschiedenen Einstellungen..
@@09herrschafften90Ja. Das hat aber keinen nennenswerten Einfluss auf die Federung oder dem Komfort. Bei den beiden Modi geht es eher darum ob straff oder straffer. Im Sportmodus merkt man, dass das Fahrwerk beim lenken nicht mehr so stark schwankt und Kurven usw. machen da mehr Spaß. Aber in Sachen Komfort tut sich nicht wirklich was.
@@IboKnowsBest Also ich empfinde schon einen deutlich spürbaren Unterschied zwischen den beiden Modi. Bei Sport merkt man viel mehr Unebenheiten, da sie direkter auf die Karosserie übertragen werden, während Standard viel dämpft.
Im direkten vergleich LR Standard vs P Standard, ist der LR natürlich aufgrund seiner 18" Felgen klar weicher und man gleitet mehr über den Asphalt. Allerdings ist mir das auf der Autobahn einfach zu viel Federung, daher liebe ich die Möglichkeit einfach kurz auf Sport stellen zu können.
In Verbindung mit der "schweren" Lenkung hat man dann auch bei +200km/h keinerlei Stabilitätsprobleme.
@@callsaul8835 Ich hatte vor einigen Wochen die Gelegenheit, dass M3P Highland ca. 1,5 h zu testen. Stadt, Land, Autobahn. Und ich meine auch einen spürbaren Unterschied zwischen den beiden Modi festgestellt zu haben. Habe mich in Sport irgendwie wohler gefühlt. Alles in allem fand ich das Fahrwerk ganz passabel. Im Komfort Modus auf Kopfsteinpflaster bei einer Ortsdurchfahrt sogar eher zu weich. Das Auto hat sich aufgeschaukelt und wurde etwas schwammig am Lenkrad.
Also man spürt einen deutlichen Unterschied, ja. Aber in Sachen Komfort ist das Fahrwerk halt auch im Standard-Modus unkomfortabel.
What wheels were on the LR AWD?
I beleve those are called the 18" Proton
Kyle over at OutOfSpecReviews does the best EV range/charging/consumption testing! Not like the journalists you mention :)
Used your referral code to buy a Model Y Performance! Cheers!!
@williammayah I saw that William. Was hoping you'd say something in the comments so I could thank you directly 🫡 I really appreciate that, you're awesome 🙏🙏👌😊 You'll absolutely love it! Beast of a car and with the practicality of a small SUV 👌
And then there is the matter of the insurance cost....
Наглядно, спасибо. 1 секунда в разгоне это очень много при таких показателях. Именно по этому я выбрал Perf.
А как же расход? к черту эту экономию!))
I got performance, just a much better car seat, suspension and power wise
Long range has not equipped with wheel cover. 18" with wheel cover makes it not 9% but 13-15% more efficient than performance.
M3PH with 18’’ 44psi 15/20mm spacers works for me…
spacers because 8.5” width 18” diameter rims? Was thinking 9.5” to better use torque of M3P… what does “H” represent?
@@MarcesAurelius Yes and Higland
@@gullfaksthat’s smart… been adding 2024 🤪
Is that a Kermit?
Too bad they are so deadly in a collision.
EVs are quite safer than ICE cars, to start with when you loose control they stay on the ground. But if you want to go at 300 km/h and more and be even safer, take the train, at least in Europe.
@@didierpuzenat7280 Please don't put out misinformation
@@DCGreenZone Please, educate yourself.
@@didierpuzenat7280 Nice, they are still murder boxes.