I'm guessing because of the manufacturing and other job opportunities that created an incentive for Southern Italians to migrate up north where the money or economic wealth is at. I'm curious to see over time if my Southern Italian brothers/sisters will still keep their distinct ways and traditions around or if they will become more like Northern Italians, or a somewhat mixed combination of both.
@@elendilnix imcorrect. People of southern italian origin - second, third, now even fourth generation (massive uncontrolled internal immigration since 1950) people are a vast majority. A 'native Lombard' is someone with 4/4 lombard or at least 4/4 northern italian grandparents. Only 45% of northern italians are of northern italian origin
I'll tell you something more about regional dilects. Sometimes we can't understand each other also if we live in the same region. (Ex. I come from Salerno , which is in Campani, and my dilect is a lot different from Naples one, that is in the same region.Infact Naples people tell me that I don't have the accent of their dilect. At the same time Salerno dilect is different from Battipaglia one, and the two cities are in the same district. There are planty of different words also between to close little towns.) In plus we have everyone different accents and cadences of the words.
Here u can understand why dialects are so different in Italy (and elsewhere too). ua-cam.com/video/zUlNhs8rJ_g/v-deo.html There was not a standard italian which ''evolved''into dialects, but different vulgar language derived in a different way from Latin. And THEN they were unified in standard italian.
It seems a little strange to foreigner but Italy is a very hilly and mountainous land so the border between regions are very very jagged due to natual borders! In fact, the most snowy places are in the south (Capracotta, Molise region, is a famous example)! From the end of the Roman Empire, circa 476 AD, to uniry in 1861, Italy had been invaded by almost every other european foreign super power, from France to Spain or Germanic Empire and even Arabs in the South so, ancient latin aside, basically we are really a strange melting pot result of languages, cultures and ethnicity (maybe only Sardinia is something "other" from the rest of the country). But yes, being late, as for an appointment or when to eat is definitely a thing in the south.
😂😂😂 The Lombard language and Italian are even in two different grouping. Lombard is a gallo-italic language, Italian is a italo-dalmatian language. The best thing is that both Neapolitan and Sicilian are italo-dalmatian languages, just like Italian... So... She probably has learned both Italian and the Italian variant spoken in Milan (mixing them)
Hmmm... About puntuality: It's not that we just don't give a damn and will be late, but rather we don't have the concept of "going early to not be late", we get there when we need to get there, give or take 5 minutes, 15 minutes tops, more than that and usually either there's been some issues with the other party or they were not giving a damn, which is DEFINITELY NOT how go about it, we still care about that, but we are not excessively pedantic about it unless it's business meetings (this will be especially noticeable with general doctors appointments) So, let's say we have an appointment at 16:30 The way i see it, you'd go there at 16:15 just to make sure you're not late. Meanwhile, what an italian might do is use up the extra time you would've used to be early by using ut to maje 100% sure they are fully prepare, have no other thing come up, or to give themselves a bit of leeway just in case there's traffic jams or whatever, but usually, when you say, "meet at X" we'll be there at X or X+Y minutes, not X-Y minutes, it's just... Not necessary, you can use that time for many other things. Though yeah in general, while a lateness of 5 mins might be expected and 15 may happen without being too bug a deal, that is not expected and any more than that is still not seen well in italy. Just cause it's normal for many italians to be late doesn't mean it's to be normalized... Just not taken too seriously. (Am a southern italian btw) P.s.: also "unheard of to eat dinner at 19" is a bit excessive, it's more like... That's earliest you'll ever see an italian eat at, usually it's when my family eats dinner at, conversely, eating dinner after 22 seems... Excessive, i guess people who go out partying might be doing that but usually families at least in the south eat at around 19-22, no sooner, no later, with the most common time being at 20/20:30, esoecially when going out to a restaurant. Part of the reason why is that restaurants don't take breaks at dinner so the staff eats their own dinner either before work hour or after, that is to say then, at around 18:30/19:00, or inversely, once they close(so between midnight and the 02)
Modern Italians are a mixture of Roman + Germanic tribes (Lombards, Ostrogoths, Herulos and Normans). In minority (especially in southern Italy it is a mixture of Romans, Germans and Greeks
@@robleyusuf2566 6% in comparison to the other 94%, where that 6% will eradicate over time which is what has already happened. I don't understand why Arabs try claim southern italians even though they don't have substantial arab blood.
i quite sure she thinks northen italians are better to understand than southern italians only because regional dialects are more accepted and less stigmatized in the south since the truth is that both northern and southern languages are fairly distinct from standard italian which derives from central dialects as she said
More than 50% of people in Northern Italy have southern origins; cities like Milan have few native Lombards which obviously affects everything from food (no-one in the north ate pizza before 1950) to dialects--all northern dialects except Venetian are likely to die out
I would say people from Milan feel always in a rush...anyway I would say people from the north of Italy are, generally speaking, more punctual even though they aren't always on a rush like people from Milan...
You understand northerners better because they speak to you in italian, if the'd speak to you in their local dialect you wouldn't understand a word. I'm from tuscany so central italy and I went to live in the north 16 years ago. It took me almost a year to learn the dialect and understand people. In the north you speak to strangers in italian but with family and close friends you use dialect.
In South Italy was Hellinic (Greek) people Orthodox Cristians. They became Catholic with the years. Sorry, my english is not very good. You can see in youtube: 1) ( The History of the Greeks) 2) (Ancient Greek Cities in Italy - Magna Graecia) 3) (What the Calabrian Greek sounds like) 4) (Griko language) 5) (History of Sicily, ancient period) 6) (History Of Greek Colonies In Sicily) 7) (History of the Byzantine / Eastern Roman Empire) 8) (Why Italy is north / south divided?) 9) [Athos the Holy Mountain (Greece) - CBS Documentary]
@@robleyusuf2566 it is a quite rude word, basically an insult. The only context in which could be not an insult is when 2 southerns are saying terrone each other, more or less like 2 black guys saying nigga each other.
It is a dispregiative way to call southerners, it means “dirt person” because it’s a way to insult south people saying to them that they are farmers (wich it’s implicated to be a bad thing)
About language, southerners refuse to speak Italian. Either they don't want or they simply can't. Northerners from different regions can hold any kind of conversation in Italian, maybe inserting the odd regional word for colour, but usually they understand each other with no problem at all. Tuscany is where problems usually begin. Their dialect is quite thick and they never shed it completely, but usually at worst you still get the gist of what they are saying. From Rome downward they stop altogether speaking clean Italian and the further you go south, the further the language becomes unintelligible (to a northerner). Furthermore, in some regions dialects vary from city to city, town to town and village to village. Southerners tend to mangle Italian, badly, while northerners tend to speak a clearer and more correct language. Of course, on average, since exceptions abound. I'm from the north and when I lived in Rome, I just couldn't find anybody willing to speak 'neutral' Italian, they absolutely had to speak Roman, while I made an effort to not use regional words that they could not understand.
Bro ma con chi cazzo hai parlato, qua a Catania (Sicilia) trovi un sacco di persone che parlano in dialetto ma tranquillo che tranne il forte accento, in italiano ci sanno parlare senza problemi
Does it matter if there are some southerners who refuse to speak Italian for whatever reason. I mean I get the benefit of national unity including through unified language, but the South got screwed/forced annex by the North during and since 'Unification'. Why should they be obligated to speak modern standardized Italian versus the Naples/Napoli dialect or Sicilian dialect? Regardless, I do think the modern standardized Italian based on the Tuscan dialect is beautiful to use as the main model for the standardized Italian language and I again I do understand the overall benefits a unified language has for national unity.
These facts are right on point! Its why we love Italy
In Milan there are more southern than northern people
I'm guessing because of the manufacturing and other job opportunities that created an incentive for Southern Italians to migrate up north where the money or economic wealth is at. I'm curious to see over time if my Southern Italian brothers/sisters will still keep their distinct ways and traditions around or if they will become more like Northern Italians, or a somewhat mixed combination of both.
Most people in Milan are southern by origin. Finding people of Lombard origin in Milan under the age of 30 is rare
@@armchairsociologist7721 no it is not true. Demography of Milan inhabitants is almos 1/3 from southern Italy.
@@elendilnix imcorrect. People of southern italian origin - second, third, now even fourth generation (massive uncontrolled internal immigration since 1950) people are a vast majority. A 'native Lombard' is someone with 4/4 lombard or at least 4/4 northern italian grandparents. Only 45% of northern italians are of northern italian origin
I'll tell you something more about regional dilects. Sometimes we can't understand each other also if we live in the same region. (Ex. I come from Salerno , which is in Campani, and my dilect is a lot different from Naples one, that is in the same region.Infact Naples people tell me that I don't have the accent of their dilect. At the same time Salerno dilect is different from Battipaglia one, and the two cities are in the same district. There are planty of different words also between to close little towns.) In plus we have everyone different accents and cadences of the words.
respect the chief keef in the background💪
Here u can understand why dialects are so different in Italy (and elsewhere too). ua-cam.com/video/zUlNhs8rJ_g/v-deo.html
There was not a standard italian which ''evolved''into dialects, but different vulgar language derived in a different way from Latin. And THEN they were unified in standard italian.
there are planty of unis in the south but the ones in the north usually rank better, that's why many students go study up north
It seems a little strange to foreigner but Italy is a very hilly and mountainous land so the border between regions are very very jagged due to natual borders!
In fact, the most snowy places are in the south (Capracotta, Molise region, is a famous example)!
From the end of the Roman Empire, circa 476 AD, to uniry in 1861, Italy had been invaded by almost every other european foreign super power, from France to Spain
or Germanic Empire and even Arabs in the South so, ancient latin aside, basically we are really a strange melting pot result of languages, cultures and ethnicity
(maybe only Sardinia is something "other" from the rest of the country).
But yes, being late, as for an appointment or when to eat is definitely a thing in the south.
arabi SOLO in Sicilia.
If you think that northern dialects sound more like Italian, you have clearly never heard bergamasco! :)
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The Lombard language and Italian are even in two different grouping. Lombard is a gallo-italic language, Italian is a italo-dalmatian language.
The best thing is that both Neapolitan and Sicilian are italo-dalmatian languages, just like Italian... So...
She probably has learned both Italian and the Italian variant spoken in Milan (mixing them)
then try the genoa's dialect or ligurian language. Also the piedmontese dialect (turin) and venetian are quite divergent from Italian language.
Hmmm... About puntuality:
It's not that we just don't give a damn and will be late, but rather we don't have the concept of "going early to not be late", we get there when we need to get there, give or take 5 minutes, 15 minutes tops, more than that and usually either there's been some issues with the other party or they were not giving a damn, which is DEFINITELY NOT how go about it, we still care about that, but we are not excessively pedantic about it unless it's business meetings (this will be especially noticeable with general doctors appointments)
So, let's say we have an appointment at 16:30
The way i see it, you'd go there at 16:15 just to make sure you're not late.
Meanwhile, what an italian might do is use up the extra time you would've used to be early by using ut to maje 100% sure they are fully prepare, have no other thing come up, or to give themselves a bit of leeway just in case there's traffic jams or whatever, but usually, when you say, "meet at X" we'll be there at X or X+Y minutes, not X-Y minutes, it's just... Not necessary, you can use that time for many other things.
Though yeah in general, while a lateness of 5 mins might be expected and 15 may happen without being too bug a deal, that is not expected and any more than that is still not seen well in italy.
Just cause it's normal for many italians to be late doesn't mean it's to be normalized... Just not taken too seriously.
(Am a southern italian btw)
P.s.: also "unheard of to eat dinner at 19" is a bit excessive, it's more like... That's earliest you'll ever see an italian eat at, usually it's when my family eats dinner at, conversely, eating dinner after 22 seems... Excessive, i guess people who go out partying might be doing that but usually families at least in the south eat at around 19-22, no sooner, no later, with the most common time being at 20/20:30, esoecially when going out to a restaurant.
Part of the reason why is that restaurants don't take breaks at dinner so the staff eats their own dinner either before work hour or after, that is to say then, at around 18:30/19:00, or inversely, once they close(so between midnight and the 02)
Modern Italians are a mixture of Roman + Germanic tribes (Lombards, Ostrogoths, Herulos and Normans). In minority (especially in southern Italy it is a mixture of Romans, Germans and Greeks
We have 6% Arab dna in Southern Italy
@@robleyusuf2566 yeah that's not a lot, not even worth mentioning tbh.
@@martinsanchez4827 it is alot
@@robleyusuf2566 6% in comparison to the other 94%, where that 6% will eradicate over time which is what has already happened. I don't understand why Arabs try claim southern italians even though they don't have substantial arab blood.
@@martinsanchez4827 Southern Italian men have paternal dna E1b1b and J similar to North African and Middle East please check it.
i quite sure she thinks northen italians are better to understand than southern italians only because regional dialects are more accepted and less stigmatized in the south since the truth is that both northern and southern languages are fairly distinct from standard italian which derives from central dialects as she said
More than 50% of people in Northern Italy have southern origins; cities like Milan have few native Lombards which obviously affects everything from food (no-one in the north ate pizza before 1950) to dialects--all northern dialects except Venetian are likely to die out
Only in the big cities.
Here in Italy each town has its own dialect, not each region of course in near regions it's easy to understand bur is different
I would say people from Milan feel always in a rush...anyway I would say people from the north of Italy are, generally speaking, more punctual even though they aren't always on a rush like people from Milan...
You understand northerners better because they speak to you in italian, if the'd speak to you in their local dialect you wouldn't understand a word. I'm from tuscany so central italy and I went to live in the north 16 years ago. It took me almost a year to learn the dialect and understand people. In the north you speak to strangers in italian but with family and close friends you use dialect.
i think that, italy is a potatoes, but always better than fies chips ahahha
In South Italy was Hellinic (Greek) people Orthodox Cristians. They became Catholic with the years. Sorry, my english is not very good.
You can see in youtube:
1) ( The History of the Greeks)
2) (Ancient Greek Cities in Italy - Magna Graecia)
3) (What the Calabrian Greek sounds like)
4) (Griko language)
5) (History of Sicily, ancient period)
6) (History Of Greek Colonies In Sicily)
7) (History of the Byzantine / Eastern Roman Empire)
8) (Why Italy is north / south divided?)
9) [Athos the Holy Mountain (Greece) - CBS Documentary]
magna grecia solo sul alcune parti di coste e in alcune aree dell'estremo sud. il restante erano italici.
Ciao Kaija,sono contento che conosci e
hai sentito il dialetto della Sicilia......quali città hai visitato in Sicilia???
SALVO GALLO ciao, Palermo!
@@kaijalove Io vivo nella parte a sud della Sicilia,Siracusa.La prossima volta che torni in Sicilia ti consiglio di farti una vacanza qui.
What does terrone mean?
southern italian
@@emanemanrus5835 is it praising or derogatory?
@@robleyusuf2566 it is a quite rude word, basically an insult. The only context in which could be not an insult is when 2 southerns are saying terrone each other, more or less like 2 black guys saying nigga each other.
It is a dispregiative way to call southerners, it means “dirt person” because it’s a way to insult south people saying to them that they are farmers (wich it’s implicated to be a bad thing)
About language, southerners refuse to speak Italian. Either they don't want or they simply can't. Northerners from different regions can hold any kind of conversation in Italian, maybe inserting the odd regional word for colour, but usually they understand each other with no problem at all. Tuscany is where problems usually begin. Their dialect is quite thick and they never shed it completely, but usually at worst you still get the gist of what they are saying. From Rome downward they stop altogether speaking clean Italian and the further you go south, the further the language becomes unintelligible (to a northerner). Furthermore, in some regions dialects vary from city to city, town to town and village to village. Southerners tend to mangle Italian, badly, while northerners tend to speak a clearer and more correct language. Of course, on average, since exceptions abound. I'm from the north and when I lived in Rome, I just couldn't find anybody willing to speak 'neutral' Italian, they absolutely had to speak Roman, while I made an effort to not use regional words that they could not understand.
troppe cazzate. si parla italiano e in dialetto. Solo alcune persone anziane parlano,solitamente,solo in dialetto.
Bro ma con chi cazzo hai parlato, qua a Catania (Sicilia) trovi un sacco di persone che parlano in dialetto ma tranquillo che tranne il forte accento, in italiano ci sanno parlare senza problemi
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Does it matter if there are some southerners who refuse to speak Italian for whatever reason. I mean I get the benefit of national unity including through unified language, but the South got screwed/forced annex by the North during and since 'Unification'. Why should they be obligated to speak modern standardized Italian versus the Naples/Napoli dialect or Sicilian dialect? Regardless, I do think the modern standardized Italian based on the Tuscan dialect is beautiful to use as the main model for the standardized Italian language and I again I do understand the overall benefits a unified language has for national unity.
Where do you come from?
Australia!
The south is the home of Cosa Nostra!
Girl nice video u made, but your “hum” every word doesn’t sound good. Sorry to say. Thx for talking about my country.
Ham, ham, ham. San Daniele o Parma sounds better. Ham
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