Is THIS the best plated training shoe? Saucony Endorphin Speed 3 full honest review!
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- The Saucony Speed 2 was a runners favourite in 2021.. so now that version 3 has dropped we thought it best to get it in for a full review!! We take it through the paces marathon training for Valencia, plus speeds for 5k, 10k and half marathons as well. Let us know your thoughts in the comments!
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0:00 Introduction
1:03 Facts and Figures
2:50 What's changed
3:34 Likes
5:18 Dislikes
7:25 Will it make rotation? - Спорт
In addition to the winged plate shape and roomier toebox, the heel platform is also wider and much more stable than the 2s. I'm a bigger runner (6'3, 215lbs) and the previous version gave me pretty noticeable pronation on the heel, especially at slower speeds. This has been completely fixed. I find the shoe really starts to sing too the further back you strike as a mid-foot and heel strike really activates that foam and the speedroll technology. Also have wide feet and the regular width works at a half size up for me. Just an amazing shoe.
Thank you for the extra info there.. sure it will help out some other runners here in the comments! Great you've found a shoe that's working so well.. it's a lovely feeling!!
Hmm thats interesting (I also am on the bigger end for runners? 6' ~210). I have the speed 2 runshield and have my 5k,10k and half pb in them.. I love them when running a bit harder but at slower speeds I do find them a lil unstable. I keep them for harder sessions but it makes the warmup a bit wonky.. might have to try the 3s..
@@Kevgti5 The wonkiness is totally gone. Wider platform and roomier toe box make it a genuine daily trainer, tempo shoe, and cheaper race day option. They kept the magic and democratized it, in my opinion.
@@MrJesseeckerlin huh. Sick. Thanks for the feedback!
Great Review as always Ben, I have PB'd all my race's in Sauconys! Love them and they work for me! Still currently using the Speed 2's as i managed to buy two pairs at a ridiculously cheap price! Looking forward to getting the 3's !
Congratulations on the new channel, Ben! I love your channels -- now two! I'm new to running and love the Speed 3s. I use them for everything other than races and training a few days prior to the race where I use the Endorphin Pro 3. I also use the Speed 3s for recovery runs. You mention in your review to buy something else for recover runs. Can you help me understand why you wouldn't use the Speed 3s for recovery runs?
Great as always Ben 👍
Options weren't great until the white/gum became available. Coming into summer here in Australia it looks great for both running and casual. Atm 3 shoes really stand out in my rotation and this is one of them. Maybe not as racy as the v2 but I'm really enjoying the more relaxed fit and vibe of the shoe. Only slight problem I had was some heel rubbing but that went away after about 4 runs.
Thanks Ben for the review and keep up the good work 👍
great shoe! loving every run wearing these. some lovely colourways too
Great introduction! Just recently started to pick up regular running again. Last year I got a pair of Brooks Adrenaline, recommendation of running shoe shop. 2 weeks ago I added the Novablast 3, very enjoyable! Now looking at something faster eyeing for first (half-) marathon. Any advice what could suit better as an addition, the Saucony or Puma?
Previously, I would have said that weight is really important but the New Balance More v3 has made me reconsider. The comfort, the heel to toe transition, and the balance make it feel lighter than it is. So, yes, weight matters but only in the context of how the whole package fits together.
This is my favorite training shoe! Thank you!
A huge upgrade in version 1! More stable in the heel and an all round great trainer. Outsole still needs work as it’s sketchy when the ground is wet
Been running in this for a few months now over 5k,10k, and a Half marathon, and its the best I've ever used have ordered
a second pair already.
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I raced 2 marathons and various shorter races in my endorphin speed 2. It's no going to be a trainer until it's retirement. The 3rd generation looks like a good option as well.
Thanks for the informative review. I'm really on the fence about this shoe. I'm just getting back into serious running, and have achieved intermediate results in races, planning for a late 2023 or early 2024 marathon, wondering whether to include this shoe in my rotation as a race shoe. I won't be achieving any elite times, so the high performance platers just don't make sense to me, and I thought this would be an interesting introduction and help me achieve a solid intermediate result. I have Pegs and Blasts I use as dailies, plus a NB Rebel as a tempo shoe, should I try the ES3 as my race option? Or would I be better off just going with a high performance trainer like the Endorphin pro?
The big difference for me between 2 and 3 is the heel flare on the 3s that I really find disruptive. I don't like that wider heel base at all. So I have hunted down a few more pairs of the 2s on sale.
This colorway looks great!!! 👌 🔥
I've had the shoe since launch in same colours. For me it's a shoe that does a lot without feeling like it's doing anything amazing. But anything over 10 miles I found my feet fatigued with some heel discomfort. The red outsole does get chewed but not as quick as you first think and is only superficial.
I didn’t like the main color options so I got the ViziPro, which looks great!
Been waiting for this review. By the way, thanks to you I got myself a massage gun, noticed you were using it in one of your vids I saw recently. Really liking it.
Good stuff! Yes they are useful! Use mine for warming up quite a lot now.
@@benparkestheextramile Ill try that. Seems to be helping even though it's just a mini version.
Weight is important for race shoes and speed work but if I’m looking for a distance shoe, cushioning is more important. It also has to work with my weird feet and my foot strike.
the runshield version comes in some decent colors and may grip better on the wet roads
My favorite training shoe by far! Cheers.
Great video Ben, thank you. Really unsure about whether to buy a pair of these so training and racing, or just go all in for the Pro 3 as just a race show. Currently have the Speed 2s as my "speed" and race shoe. Can get both for half price with Vitality so £105 for the PRO 3 just seems too good to miss out on. Does anyone have both? I really like the colourways of both tbf, even the Pink! haha
I got the speed 3 in the vizipro color way. Its really bright yellow at the toe and fades to a dark navy blue at the heel. It makes me look fast at least 😆
I've got 280k in mine, and they've worn down on the outer heal bit already. They agitated an old niggle I had on my right foot, so i changed the insoles in them, n now are lovely to run in😀
oh no.. but glad you found a solution!
Kieran from the run testers used these to run the length of the Danube - he praised their durability - he was running something like 30km a day for weeks on end with seeming,y no issues.
Good to know.. thanks for the extra info Tim!
I have the black & gold ones. Great colour great runner
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I bought this shoe for my marathon cycle for Chicago. It was excellent all around, on 20 mile workouts and shorter speed sessions. I'm 6'3 195lbs and at 193 miles currently. I think all Saucony models with that outsole design suffer from traction issues in inclement weather and smooth wet surfaces.
Im planning to buy it for as a tempo / 10k race shoe. I am not too fast, arounmd 5min/km is my fast tempo. Do you think this would fit the task?
Ran the NYC Marathon in these and felt AMAZING
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For me, like lite shoe for race day. Newer to running, don’t think I am to a pace yet to really benefit from an full race shoe. These just arrived today. They will see 3 races this year with me, a 5k, 10k, 15k.
I got the Vizopro color way. Runner normally want load colors, I have no issues with any of the color ways.
I know has been concern about soul life, one guy ran 600 miles on them.
I currently use the v1 as my interval shoe/race day shoe and I’m hoping to find these on a deal at the end of the year so I can replace them!
I did seem them down to £130 ish earlier today.. sure they could drop a little more by Christmas when you come to replace your 1's!
Hi i have already the speed 3 and i like it very much.
but what would interest me:
How much faster is the Pro 3 and is it just as comfortable as the Speed 3?
Comparable fast like the vaporlfy?
Still searching for a marathon Shoe (fast,comfortable)
Hey Ben! I'm looking to upgrade from the Brooks Adrenaline 22 to something more inspiring. Between the Asics Superblast and the Saucony Speed 3, which would you recommend more? I need support but I'm looking for nice energy return as well. Cheers!
Is it good to train in a plated shoe which behaves like a trampoline? Will you not get stronger if you have a training shoe where you need to do the work your self. Then taking the speed shoe for race-day? Just wonder.
Great shoe I bought the Chicago edition which is a great colour way best shoe i've run in to date
I recently ran a 2:20 marathon, and building towards my first comrades. Currently use the boston 12 and nitro elite (end of its life) as my daily trainers, and now needing a new shoe. I enjoy the poppy shoes, however also needing the cushioning and durability that comes with comrades running. My two considerations currently are the novablast 4 and the endorphin speed 3 ? which would you go for ?? thanks
Have you ever run in Saucony's Kinvara? A lot of experienced runners really like it as a training shoe, and it's rather more affordable than this one, but has even more long term durability issues. Also, I understand the grip is not that great, though my friends say it runs okay in the rain.
I'm not a fan of stiff shoes, the Speed 2's were too stiff for me, but the Speed 3 looks very promising!
nice review, I just don't fully get the difference between main channel and extra mile, you said in another video this here would be for more niche topics but just like with the Deviate video I personally would consider the Speed to be of broad interest, but maybe that's just me. Keep up the good work and excited to see how the channels will develop.
Thanks Phil. On the main channel I just wanted to do X vs X vs X reviews etc. So tomorrow or Wednesday we'll put out Deviate vs Zoomfly vs Speed .. which will have a broader appeal hopefully. Then people can drop in here for a deep dive on each shoe if they want. It's early days! Lots of content to record.. won't just be reviews on here.. lots in the pipeline! :-)
@@benparkestheextramile I am eagerly waiting the comparison video. I have the Speed 1, and it was a good shoe, but I could not get the lockdown right and the lacing for lockdown hurt. Plus, it was a bit hard and hurt on long runs and I do like softer shoes. But, I have the velocity nitro 2 and LOVE them, so wondering if I should get the deviate nitro 2s. I guess my last question/ponder to ask is if I was just going to invest in one shoe for a training shoe for faster work and racing, would you recommend the speed. 3/deviate nitro 2 or the endorphin pro 3? I can’t get both the speed day and carbon racer, and I worry about longevity with the pro 3. I do have the New Balance RC Elite 2 with 150 miles, but know that I won’t get more than 150 miles out of them as a speed day or racing shoe.
@@angistone-macdonald6283 one of the run testers recently spoke about the Endorphin Pro 3 and how he saw them get noticeably softer after I think 150 miles or so, he said they were still good but he preffered the firmer new ones he got for Chicago. I find the speed 3 quite expensive, I bought a Pro 2 on discount as speed day shoe next to Vaporfly as race day and other more daily shoes.
@@therunophil Thanks Phil. I did not see that video. I can't run in Nikes and live in the US and Vaporflys and Alphaflys are not on deep discount in the US, still at $250 even for the first versions of all Nike super shoes. Maybe the Speed 3s are going to be softer compared to the Speed 1s and I could use those for longer runs and racing if I got them.
@@angistone-macdonald6283 earlier this year Nike was selling the Vaporfly 1 around 160 bucks here in Europe, guess they will discount the version 2 when the 3 comes out. But in the US I got a pair for 99 bucks in a Nike shop, but I have to admit that was in the outlet center and a rather unusual size (13) in the last sizes corner.
There’s more colourways in the USA so maybe that’s will come to the UK too.
I really like my Speed 3 ( yellow/vizipro colour) they're great for the 5k and Half's I do. Their lack of grip on anything even slightly slippery is their only real shortcoming.
Ed Bud recommends pairing the Inov-8 Boomerang Footbed insoles with them, for a nice improvement over standard. I've yet to try them.
I like my pair but i find them bad in the wet, quite slippery with any water around. This makes them annoying for races because you have to slow right down whenever there’s a drinking water point because of all the water on the ground, otherwise you feel like you're gonna slip
What about comparing this to Boston 12 or using the pro 3 from saucony or adidas prime x? They are all on sale so it’s hard to know what to buy?
Any tips?
Have you tried the Metaspeed Sky from Asics? Would be great for a review on them and then can see what brand you rate the best
I ran in the two former versions of this shoe and I think they were one of the best shoes I’ve ever used. I had no issues with the former versions. With this one, maybe it’s just me, but it seems Saucony made the arch of the foot area a little higher than the previous models. As I said before, maybe it’s just me, but it caused a little bit of irritation on the area of the arch of my feet, specially close to the heel area. It seems to me it is caused by the new plate shape. When Saucony said they would change the shape of the plate to make the shoe more stable, I thought “what are they talking about? This shoe is not unstable at all!”. Anyway, maybe some other people may have felt the same discomfort I felt, so I don’t say it ruined one of the best shoes I’ve ever used, but it is a little annoying, specially when we are talking about a shoe that almost everyone considered as almost perfect.
Agree
As much as I enjoyed the Speed 1's (Still use occasionally after 500+ miles) they were quite unstable for me. I didn't go for the 2's for this reason. Maybe try the 3's to see if fixed.
The Speed 3s also gave me arch pain and I stopped wearing them after 2 weeks (about 250km of running). Wishing I’d stockpiled more of the 2s now, for me the 3s are a big downgrade.
I stockpiled the 2's, because they are just that good of a shoe, I have used them for everything on a daily basis! Having said that, they are indeed not that stable due the softness of the foam, especially under the heel. For this reason, I am now rotating in the Ride and Triumph for give my ankles a break. I have two pairs of Speed 2's in use and two new pairs in my closet, I should be good for another two years. I will pass on buying version 3 for now since a bigger arch is not what I want. One complaint about the Speed though, is that the Black Shadow colorway came out of the box with a much softer foam, than the red pair!
i have endorphin speed v1. they are very good but terrible when the road is wet. does v3 have the same outsole material?
What a good running pants you recommend?
I used to use Saucony triumph then started to get shin splints with them, and switched to the Clifton 7, then they started giving me blisters, I’ve used the Mach 4 and carbon x2 now for a while, is the speed similar to the Mach ? I’m trying to see if there is something better out there, or one I can switch between, I’ve trained for 2 Ironman’s and half distance in the Hoka, starting a marathon trying plan soon, just looking at ideas, thanks for the great videos🙌
My Triumph V18 gave me horrible shin splints as well!
I did not like the Speed 3 as much as the Speed 1 and one of my all time winter favorites the Speed 2 Run Shield. The 3 just has not been right for my stride.
good very good my friend
Hi Ben! Thanks for the great review! What would your recommendations for a 3 shoe rotation including this shoe be?
So far I'm at:
1)Vaporfly - races and key speed sessions
2) Speed 3 - Uptempo daily, Long runs, Fartleks, Strides/hills
3) I want a nice easy day/recovery shoe that is light/nimble enough for strides (I do strides every 2/3 easy runs typically). Thinking Novablast 3, or maybe NB More V4. Any recommendations for that 3rd shoe are much appreciated!
I’d go novablast 3!
Serious question: why are they're no racing shoes available with arch support for the over-pronating runners? Is it simply not possibile to design them with the plates inside?
Running on the Speed 2 with special inlay soles, but not sure if this is ideal :)
My comment is going to be highly controversial..... I have a lot of overpronation and allways had shoes to counteract this. I also always got knee injuries. I gave up on running until I found out barefoot shoes solved all my issues. I now use Altra zero drop shoes. I dont care anymore about over pronation, I where shoes that stop getting me injured.
My message: if the inlay does not give you issues, go for it. Or just try the shoe as is....
Vid says that there are different widths available - anyone know where?!
Do you ship internationally to the USA?
How’s the sizing compared to Nike?
Weight is important, but there are more important things nowadays. Like (carbon) plated shoes but even more important the foam. Personally I am very satisfied with Nike Vaporfly at the moment. I never had Saucony though, but quite some experience with Asics and Hoka . Ik like the channel, so thank you for that.
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Is it true to size ?
Weight is extremely important
Over 1100k in my version 2's, only a bit of wear on the lateral heel of my right foot. Great shoe. What I really hate is the continual use of the word colourway / colorway. Please, please make it stop! Definitely a word that goes in my room 101.
I think saucony needs to bring someone in to help with the color ways. The shoes are amazing but they need nike level color ways and they would be a top top teir choice for most, alot are boring. I only like the blue and yellow, and the vizi red shown in the video.
My endorphin 3 opened both toes and I had to retire when the side opened completely, no saucony for me ever again, I run no more than 10 miles per week, so $170 for less than a year no no
I think they went a bit overboard on the extra width they added to the upper. I too have to nearly have both sides of the shoe touching eachother to get a decent lockdown. This was a non-issue in my Speed V1's. I also find that the heel cup on all versions of the Speeds are a bit too deep, so if I don't lockdown the heel I get minor rubbing in the left heel on long runs. It was bad enough that I eventually wore a hole in the left heel cup on my V1's after about 500km. Now, considering I only experience this on one foot, it's probably just me. But I have owned numerous brands and the Speeds are the only ones I have ever experienced this with. And I do notice that the V3's feel better at slower speeds than the original V1's.
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I’m using these for the first time at a half next week - cannot wait. I’m more excited about trying these out than I was for the birth of my daughters
Got a pb by 3 mins, so that was nice
Trust me they are the best..
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Saucony must fix the outsole grip like pumagrip
I am just under 15 stone and 6ft tall. So the lighter the better I say. I need all the help I can get ben! 🤣😂🤣😂
Well this certainly is one of the lightest shoes around at the moment!!
@@benparkestheextramile thanks loads. I am currently on my second pair of speed 2s and I will be picking the 3s up probably early next year. ❤🙌
#Saucony #overpriced #2022 #season, it is what I feel, colourway awful this year, preferred Kinvara 12 colourway. Using Pro 3 as daily... They protect the legs, thats all I will say
That is disappointing about the durability. For the Saucony Speed 1, I ran 1048 miles in it. For the colors, I don't like pink/rose color. The white looks great but eventually it will get so dirty.
Don't crease the plates!!! you ruin them!
I very much agree here, adding that it's not very healthy for the midsole either - bending the shoe like that creates flex points that normally wouldn't be there.
The uglier the shoe the better the discount. Seriously I'd wear a shoe even if they'd add a pig's tail to the heel for aerodynamics. I don't care as long as it runs smooth.
the colors are so bad, i can agree with that
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Color ways on speed V3 are trash