The sibling rivalry that divided a town - Jay Van Bavel and Dominic Packer
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- Опубліковано 16 лис 2022
- Explore the psychology of social identity and in-group bias and discover the conditions that cause people to turn against one another.
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One day a pair of brothers working together as shoemakers had an explosive fight that split the family business in two. Over the coming years, this disagreement divided their town- residents and businesses chose sides. Could such a serious divide really be about shoes? Doesn’t it take more significant differences to produce this degree of conflict? Jay Van Bavel and Dominic Packer investigate.
Lesson by Jay Van Bavel and Dominic Packer, directed by Arvind Singh Jeena, Totem Creative.
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the difference between “us” and “them” is that “us” includes “me” and i’m the most important person in the world to myself/to all. that is how some humans think.
If that was the only reason why, then soldiers wouldn't kill themselves in wars.
I mean, Japanese Kamikazes weren't fighting out of self importance.
I think we actually just like being part of something greater than us.
@@vincemarenger7122 That’s a fair point. Some humans are far less selfish in collectivist societies/cultures compared to individualist society. The last sentence about “humans just want to be a part of something greater” also explains a lot about gang crimes, political parties, dictatorships, predatory stock markets, “the green/red movements”, and the bs about going to mars. Some people want to believe they are a part of something bigger and better than they are because they are pathetic.
@@SilverScarletSpider it won’t always be for immoral motives. Some people want to be apart of something bigger and better than they are not to feel better than themselves but to feel a sense of belonging. Humans are social organisms after all
Any theories on how this thinking will affect someone's well-being and behavior?
@@vincemarenger7122 i don't
I love the part where it's about sibling rivalry that divided a town apart.
Me too
Us too
@@TEDEd But you didn't specify exactly what caused the brothers argument, and now the mistery is killing me.
@@takacsorstamas7601 there you go en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Dassler#The_Brothers_Dassler_Shoe_Factory,_1918%E2%80%931945
@@lorenzobolis5166 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassler_brothers_feud
Adidas and Puma? I knew of that story.
Ok
Nike and Adidas 😠😂
@@peacekeeper7968 Teslic bro
literally from the thumbnail i immediately assumed that’s what it was
@@peacekeeper7968 nah bro. Looking up the story, it *actually was* behind the founders of Adidas and Puma.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassler_brothers_feud
I love that it highlights implicit bias is indeed a thing. You have to constantly work against it though to grow.
It's important to acknowledge that we cannot trust ourselves to act on our own self-interests so it requires constant vigilance to defeat evolutionarily derived biases.
Implicit bias is a thing, it just doesn't make any difference. In fact it could be beneficial.
@@XOPOIIIO maybe with some things like products and how they work for you, but not something divisive like racial.
It always surprises me that Hollywood has yet to jump on the Dassler brothers’ story. Such a fascinating feud between two future titans of industry that would spawn two of the largest shoe/sportswear brands in the world.
I vaguely remember reading a news article about David Beckham wanting to produce a movie about it. But this was years ago.
adidas?
@@jorjicostava3018 yes, adidas and puma
It would not surprise me that it might have to do with rights and neither company wanting to work with the other. If the rivalry is as bad as it is implied to be, then each company might not want to work with the other (which would likely be necessary as it is both of their stories). There is also the question of whose side to follow? Adidas or Puma?
There is actually a pretty good German movie/mini series from 2016 called "Rivals Forever" (or "Die Dasslers" in German) about this, that I can recommend :)
The animation is just amazing, really simple and effective. Takes a real eye to provide such beautiful work. Hats off to the animators involved! Proud to have gone to college with them!
The red and blue contrast is sooo nice on the eyes
Thankyou! So glad you enjoyed it. :)
That one person going around barefoot:
The rivalry between Adidas and Puma still exists.
Alternate explanation for discrimination based on teams decided by a coinflip: humans survived in groups and have evolved to be cooperative to a significant degree. But they also have survived on aggression against other groups, taking resources that others worked for. So instinct to form a team, even over nothing, makes sense as an evolved trait at some point.
Especially if you imagine a tribe that did not steal and was accepting of others. This tribe would be robbed of their valuable resources by the tribe that cares more for themselves than for the 'them' group and ultimately not survive evolutionary timescale
@@renevuurwalt368 Yes. The protection aspect should be stressed more than the aggression aspect now that you say it.
"...but they also survived on aggression against other groups."
Actually, war between groups of humans wasn't as common thousands of years ago as it is today. This was partly due to the fact monogamous relationships are a relatively new concept therefore thousands of years ago it wasn't unusual for humans to have children in multiple tribes thus lowering a desire for tribes to go to war against each other.
Crazy that we have genetically evolved to form sides against others, even if only random
@@catdogmousecheese
How many thousands of years ago? All it takes is for resources to be scarce.
If I remember this study correctly their groups were school children. It was the only way they could control the factors they were looking for.
Ah, Adidas vs. Puma.... Classy example, Ted-Ed, Classy! (If I'm wrong, so be it. That's the only thing I think best about sibling rivalry turned epic proportions in societal and pop culture).
I don't think there's another pair of shoemaking brothers that fractrued the town of Herzogenaurach after WWII.
@@angelrobles7201 I don't think there's another pair of shoemaking brothers that fractured a town.
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Might not be able to complete any of your riddles by myself but I’m glad you found those smarty-pants who can explain it to us 😂
ted-ed at it again with the good edutainment content!
This might be the most important video you have ever made, TED-Ed! I am definitely saving this one!
That specific enemity of the intro deserves a video of its own, for all the consequences it had in the world in the following years.
Citizens of Herzogenaurach be like: What are those !?
I thought this was gonna be about Adidas and Puma.
but it is
I had a cringe moment when I saw the subject of this video in the email I receive from TED-ED. So much of the internet has been corrupted to subtly advertise by increasing brand profiles. I'm glad that you didn't identify the companies. This case is a very good example and you used it without tarnishing your integrity. I frequently direct students to your content so this is really important for me. Great work.
Hmm I see now
I wanted to know what their name was to look further into their story so I wondered why didn't he mention them as usual
Tho it's really not a bad thing for UA-camrs to try and make profit out of advertising
the sibling rivalry led to Adidas and Puma
Great video. Love the animation.
Just today I learnt about it and Ted Ed uploads a video on it
coincidences like these make you happy to be alive
Yessss Jay and Dominic! Love seeing awesome psychology dudes on these big platforms. Their book The Power of Us is fantastic, too!
what a inspired talk, thanks u guys!
Awesome content again😘
Loved this one. Thx TED-Ed.
This reminds me of a story where there was a war over what way to cut hard boiled eggs, one group cut them laterally, the other cut them longitudinally.
this is a really good video. so many times i hear people saying "im not a sheep this & im a lion that". overriding our primative instinct of tribalism takes constant effort. finding identity outside of groups is important and difficult. if you ascribe yourself to only one demographic or one label you become susceptible to mob mentality and bystander effects. being a part of a group is fine as long as you are able to identify and exist outside of it as well. not doing so makes you susceptible to cult like behaviors and willing and becomes capable of doing heinous things one might otherwise not do for individual reasons
Even before you mentioned it, I knew the video would be about Tajfel, I based my Master’s thesis on the Social Identity theory by Henri Tajfel and Turner and this was a visually well explained video. It’s always so interesting to see just how minimal a preference must be for people to differentiate, the urge to be more understanding and accommodating is so important in every aspect of life.
Helps explain sports. It's just so nakedly tribal with people establishing their team loyalty on the basis of simple geographic proximity. It's all: " HOORAY TEAM THAT’S FROM AROUND HERE!! BOO TEAM THAT’S FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE!!"
This is the best animation I've seen from the channel.
🎉love all the vids you make! 😊
I checked out the wiki page of the novel the quote from the beginning is from.
It's pretty interesting, I would recommend anyone to read the pretty short plot summary that's on Wikipedia, if they aren't planning to read the book at some point.
It's almost like using superficial characteristics to categorize each other and using identity politics to divide us is a terrible thing and should be stopped. Thank you Ted-ed. I was not expecting something so based from you.
I can't help but think saying "Superficial characteristics" is also part of identity politics and divides people as well.
Unless you are also willing to push aside your characteristics to help bridge the division. I should ask, who or what says what characteristics are deemed "Superficial"? What makes one characteristic "Superficial" and one doesn't?
@@Blue2x2x superficial:
adjective-
existing or occurring at or on the surface.
Ted Ed is always based, wdym. Ted Talks on the other hand ...
I've been thinkikng about this for a long time and even tho I had it in my head I couldn't really lay it out like you guys did, THANK YOU AMAZING JOB LIKE ALWAYS. one thing you missed is that biases towards things and others makes us more or less competitive in those specific biases leaving a world of other possibilities and outcomes due to ego and self destructive behavior
is important to love your self as much as your neighbor may who ever it be because it makes us free from the reality of the world and more happy and intune with are own reality :D CHEERS !!!
I just wanna say this narrator every single time has a voice that I melt to is so crisp
Small interaction can sometime lead to some amazing company.
There was a related study that was trying to determine whether or not bad behavior was inherent or learned. While the results were inconclusive, they did find that babies were attuned towards bias just as much as adults.
This is intriguing
Great stuff
Very nice video 👍thanks for sharing my friend 🙏😇🙏
Wow!! ... cant believe you omitted to highlight central story fact that the two brothers started the companies Puma n Adidas across a river from each other.
That wasn't exactly the point of the video. Though their enemity deserves a full video on its own.
The point was about how the Us vs Them divide can be breed as swiftly as the Herzogenaurach divide was born.
@@angelrobles7201 I wasnt trying to come off as critical. The video is beautifully animated and put together. I just thought one line about Puma n Adidas would have been great. Not to miss that their was shoemaker Addi Dassler…
Love the animation
I wanted to see more of the sibling rivalry that split a town apart, part
I had a group of friends; we were very close together for years, but in half an hour it all fell apart because of different opinions of one thing, despite all mt efforts to keep them together
may one day someone find a way to avoid such a thing
Unfortunately, disagreements often lead to wars.
Oh this is so interesting
Yes, let's bring people together
This would explain why something as trivial as the pigment in one's skin has a major impact on social status, and why it had some kind of influence on people for all of recorded history and likely beyond.
That bubble pop sound was surreal.
Very interesting
Addison is back! I’ve missed his narrations. He’s my favourite.
Reminds me of the fable where the trees voted for the axe because the handle was made of wood.
i like this art form. could you use it in more videos ?
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Sibling. Broca's area, or the Broca area is a region in the frontal lobe of the dominant hemisphere, usually the left, of the brain with functions linked to speech production.
Great symbolic visuals
Muy interesante, startreck es un buen ejemplo, lo otro sería padrinos mágicos con los grises, buen video.
Btw the two brands are Adidas and Puma, for anyone that doesn't know.
Takes the classic "WHAT ARE THOSE!" insult to a whole other level.
When a Ted-Ed video teaches what you’ve been learning for two months in psychology in five minutes.
What the video never mentioned was who the brothers were.
The Dassler brothers' split was basically what formed two of the most popular athletic brands: *Adidas and Puma*.
Oh and also, the brothers were buried on different cemeteries of their town. (So...sibling rivalry that never ended well)
I’m glad to say I knew about the Adidas and Puma brother e before this video
All that's missing is that those brother's children ended up on different sides of the Berlin Wall...
But seriously, that whole dispute reminded me of Dr. Seuss' The Butter Battle Book.
Nope.
They kept on living in different sides of Herzogenaurach, though they had a "gathering" in Melbourne 1956... if by "gathering" you understand "selling their shoes to the athletes competing at that year's Olympics, while actively sabotaging their rival cousins' efforts".
If you're confused about that... The intro was the beginning of the Adidas vs Puma divide. And yes, Adi and Rudi (the brothers) sent their children to Melbourne to that "gathering".
Don't forget about the Sneetches.
To be honest, it's sad that people have forgotten this channel. I hate the fact that social media platforms like TikTok exist because some people need social identity.
Why does this make me sad?
The ending was so cute, it’s exactly how I’d react 🥰
Fact= Both brothers were buried at opposite ends of the same cemetery
What would be examples for external factors that can reinforce existing group identities? I can't quite picture it and it was only mentioned very briefly at the end of the video...
The animation is super cute!
I literally just got done with a study about changing unconscious bias
The minimal number of factors for people to hate each other?
Well today its enough to exist
Herzogenaurach has gained global fame as the birthplace of two giant sporting goods companies: Adidas and Puma, each founded respectively by brothers Adolf Dassler and Rudolf Dassler, after an acrimonious familial split in 1948. Operating since the 1960s, both companies' headquarters are still located in the town, originally on opposite sides of the Aurach River, and brand loyalty was sharply divided as well. For many years, Adidas and Puma workers would not associate with each other, and even when Adolf and Rudi died, they were buried in opposite ends of the town's cemetery. These differences have cleared up over the years.
Also the headquarters of Schaeffler Group are located in Herzogenaurach.
What unites us all? I argue that it is the defense of our equal, individual rights to life, liberty and property. We should come together in this goal, and tolerate all peaceful differences.
This could have just been summerized with the meme of the guy who finds a red "Team A" flag and encounters a "Team B" guy and says "Wow, F this guy"
0:31 omg ted ed did 2fort!
I missed that voice, long time before hearing that narrator again 💗
''Left Twix flowed caramell on cookie, while Right Twix cascaded caramell on cookie''
the part when it said they took people from 2 groups into a new group, they still sided with their old group. That sounds ALLOT like survivor.
Btw the two shoe brands are today adidas and puma
Literally TF2 lore
Fun fact: These two brothers were the founders of Adidas and Puma. The two brothers were Rudolf Dassler who founded Puma and Adolf Dassler who founded Adidas. Both were the same company until the rivarly and that is how we have Puma and Adidas
Isn't this also about self preservation as a survival instinct? By being put or being part of a group an individual gains "protection" from the unknown of any kind. Thus includes a "different" group of potentially dangerous people. So its natural to think you would want to strengthen the groups members to protect oneself. Isn't this part of the definition of group mentality?
I guess this refers to statement 'We are known by our friends'. Friends are also fairly random
Can't wait for the next history video. Maybe a video about Hannibal Barca, Rome's greatest enemy, or the dead sea scrolls perhaps
Now all you need to do is enjoy the fireworks😅
Us vs Them has always been a protection in the natural world. We are hard wired to seek a group to nurture and support us.
Some profit driven social network algorithm only aim to increase such rifts, because hate solicits a much stronger reaction, getting them click-baits, and short term profits
Cool
I had a person remind me I m from another class on a school trip cause I was having way more fun we r in 12th grade and most of us don't even have any liking for our classmates it's just the subject combination u laughed so hard
Its individual attachment and existence of personal identity which cause this.
4:16 Political, hegemonic oppressive forces have exploited "minimal group distinctions" for millennia, employing "divide-and-rule" strategies to control subjects that may otherwise overtake them.
And that’s how left twix and right twix divided up the company
Hells yes best content
It was ADIDAS and PUMA!
TED probably didn't mention it because it could be seen as advertising... I guess.
00:16 That’s not how you pronounce Herzogenaurach….
Every sibling relationship be like
Sibling Dynamic.
The Team Fortress 2 lore is getting crazy
Funny how they used the Adidas and Puma story.
we need to put our identity as human first and forget the rest.
Question: how do they find the group with no group bias?