Farmers need to get away from subsidy and mono crop farming. Choose regenerative, and maybe farm-share ownership would be possible to get away from government control?
It is not the weather it is loss of soil aggragate (size) & diversity. Like pouring water on a hot frying pan or decide for yourself try it a free flowing sieve filled with pea gravel or fried clay. Which will run off faster? Do the experiment. We have compacted & poisoned the soil so it bakes & water flashes off as tilling creates weeds & weeds create tilling so we poison soil life & seed gmo roundup ready. I have moved my garden now to mostly fruit trees as a carb is a carb & since I turned 4 plus acres into over 800 trees & shrubs I have 25 deer in my yard grouse ducks geese song birds by hundreds all from an oat field all these to harvest & getting two beef next spring as I sowed cover into 1 acre garden & sold my tractor.
@@Tossdart just fyi most farmers only move the top 3 to 4 inch’s of soil. An many plant clover or other types cover crops. They do rotate crops to reduce fertilizer cost. Remember land cost a lot to lease or buy. So dream or retirement farming practices only work for small farms. These small farms can’t generate required income to support families. Currently grain farmers depending on state need 1000 acres per employee.
@@watombcover crops is not the norm for the majority of farmers across the us, tons of farmers still work the ground in the fall and leave it bare all winter. And I disagree that regenerative practices are only for small farmers. Rick Clark farms 7k acres using regenerative practices. Gabe brown farms several 1000 acres. It can most definitely be done.
Conventional ag is always being 2 weeks away from a drought, and 2 days away from a flood. I’ll never get close to the yields they get on a good year, but a bad year means I get 174-184, instead of 194-204. When you factor in the late planting date, the ultra ultra short season RM’s I use, that’s not bad. Add in the pounds of beef gain per acre from grazing pee wee cattle, the poultry poundage, I’m making more nutritional value, calories and nutrients, than any corn field will ever make.
@@canyonstinky7817 mid 200’s and close to, maybe even a little over 300 is pretty common around me. But that’s a one hit wonder, a single revenue stream. All of my organic corn is contracted at over $7/bushel this year, which is really low actually. But that premium is a factor in choosing farming methods.
@LtColDaddy71 Your "About" write-up sounds fascinating. Particularly your use of non hybrid corn. Where are your videos? I would like to learn more about your approach.
No it just means you are locked into a single way of thinking along with everyone else. Big corporation controls you so you need them to sell as most farmers since nobody resists them. One farmer alone has a hard time to sell as mega meat controls government & nobody can get a local processing facility due to cost & measures to ensure they never do as they are alone. Together we stand divided we fall. My old wife & I are retired farmers. We planted over 800 trees on our 4 acres so far & onward. My native trees now can be lumber or locally shelves, tables & list goes on. An example: We harvested 1100 lbs of tomatoes just from 50 plants I grew in two 8 inch pots from saved seeds. I could have grown lawn. You have flooding since you have no soil infiltration due to loss of aggragate & that is just basic. I am from Alberta Canada. I know about monoculture gmo farming trust me. Listen to Gabe okay. We should be growing livestock on cover crops & grass & nuts & fruits & on & on in cities as well. Did you know & be truthful now yes or no that the loss of 4.5 billion with a b American Chestnuts due to an introduced ornamental changed Appalachia forever? Yes as one tree fed a village. Provided lumber that never rotted for most everything. What If We Changed?
I said stop farming monoculture did I not? Farm anything but! No monoculture forests either the current model cougars can't even find deer in it on Vancouver Island so eat livestock. The model is broken. Look at what I wrote. Look at the people I mentioned as a start. I also said we are retired farmers I only gave an example of our 4 acres which you can see on my channel as just that an example. Did you look at any of the people I mentioned or just comment? So tilling the first 4 inches of just my garden resulted in a hole in my property due to that soil blowing away. Never mind Anywhere east of Calgary are you kidding me now?! Start with listening to Gabe Brown, Geoff Lawton, White Oak Pastures, Mark Sheperd to name just a few. here on You Tube. So sowing green manure then tilling is tilling. Sow cover, pasture livestock into it & if you must grow monoculture then crimp roll directly & air seed. Just be aware most grains are for feed lots to make livestock high in omega 6 & the rest goes to cereals to feed obesity & diabetes. Gabes cattle are higher in omega 3 then mackeral x 3. Just fyi.
The current model produces so much grain that the price often has to go below the cost of production in order to discourage growers from producing more.
How is that even a response to what I wrote? He starts by talking about flooding & drought. Monoculture is a devil formed by devils to feed livestock & humans nutrient depleted food. Look behind dude do you see any American Chestnuts growing? No as 4.5 billion of those were extincted by same dummies as did buffalo to almost none. Yet we do have other trees you know. We do have other waysoh wait if we use one way wouldn't that be onewayoculture? A bit like twowayoculture Trump or Well now Kamela no hope of threewayoculture & voting for Robert Kennedy Jr & Regenerative Agriculture. Goodness me. Watch Mark Shepard here on tube. The entire thing is cost more to store the commodity than to give it.
Guess we could apply more N to replace what washed into our water supply so we can make more ethanol that has to be subsidized to be sustainable 🤔 Yep, I think that’s the correct answer👍
@@whjerts You and I know that they exchanged one con for another, nothing else changed. I sincerely wish this was still the US of A of the good old days, with slightly stronger anti-trust laws. Standard Oil is almost entirely refusioned, and Big Tech is worse than that monopoly ever was. These days there is no chance to get ahead in the market unless you are already rich AND got support from the 3letter agencies. All the while the taxpayer gets fleeced down to the bare bones.
@@donaldduck830 the real redistribution of taxes has been sent to black and brown communities, don't you hear a word that your racist vice president has said for 3 years? Only problem is the money is being given away as socialist hand outs instead of creating jobs in those communities to get them off the tit. Bring the jobs in manufacturing back to the once thriving inner cities like Detroit for example and get them not only off the streets but off the government redistribution handouts , empowering those said people to get off the handouts that you and I are loosing in the form of OUR social security, and that we paid in for our entire carrers.. You know retirement is a thing of the past in 9 years or less if you don't have any other source of income after 62 but SS? We paid for it, and instead of making our rightful retirement benefits grow for those of us that paid into it, this administration prefers to drain ot and hand it out to tentative future voter bases, who will vote of course for more handouts.. we need accountability and absolute transparency in where our tax money is going, if not the skim off the top begins to get more towards half!!!!
Fair point but consider that corn production is subsidised. I don’t think it’s wise to make ethanol from crops because it compromises world food security. My preference is for solar and wind energy. Nuclear is better than coal. The Russians can keep all their gas!
Because it isn't adapted to the US corn belt, and even where it is adapted, it doesn't yield a fraction of what the adapted hybrids do. Even in a year like this, it won't yield more than the adapted hybrids.
Yes thunderstorms fix nitrogen into the soil but at such a low rate that it is not going to supply the need. We are all very dependent on high acre yields to provide the bounty we are use to. I don't think we could continue our abundant lifestyle without the petrochemical aids. Last year very near harvest our tiny 30x30 corn patch turned VERY lime green. The only way we had a serious harvest was because 2 little boys crawled on hands and knees with huge quickly made salt shakers full of quickly gathered chicken poo. Now the problem is the poo is so fresh and hot that it would burn the plants and ruin the corn. So they carefully applied the shakers to the furrows ONLY. Then this old guy watered the corn patch 100 gallons per day for 3 days in a row. Every leaf that got dusted by accident showed it's unhappiness for 2 days. By the 3rd day the sprinkler applied creek water had washed all the dust from the leaves which healed very well. The corn plants by day 3 were the dark dark green we love to see. The ears had swollen very fat and sweet. We had corn all winter long and into the spring. We had 2 little boys that ate the first and last servings of corn and they were so very very proud of themselves because they knew beyond any shadow of doubt that they saved the entire harvest. They could see the damage caused by to hot fertilizer dusting the leaves. They saw the leaves healing as it was washed gently to the roots. They saw the color change and watched it happen so very quickly. I am not raising corn I am raising men.
It’s great news because lower yield means higher prices instead of these big yields flooding the markets every where so droughts and flooding combined will take care of the over production .Mother nature’s way of controlling prices.
Not in the supply needed to grow the yields they are getting. You all don’t get it. Let’s say they are shooting for 250 bu corn. That is 7 tons of just grain. Another 14-20 tons of fodder and anywhere from 5-10 tons of root growth. Soil will only produce 20-30 lbs per percentage of om.
@@Jason-dv8zf ok, let's break it down to $return per acre comparison. You need to factor in the cost of the N, and the pesticides. And so this is just using a single N fixing cover crop. Which is also not the correct approach to build soil function Moving away from detrimental inputs such as the common chemistry should improve soil function, and reduce costs. You may not produce the same yield, but costs should be less to compenstae for the income reduction
@@666bruv yes because think 90% of your cost are already in place. Rent-herbicides-P&K/micros-seed-equipment-fungicieds. So let’s say with 300$ an acre rent and all your other inputs cost you another 250, and your iron cost sets you back another 150 an acre and assuming you have 2%on with no manure you can 200 lbs of N at 250$. With out the N your yield will be somewhere around 80 bushel with the n 250 to 300. So on the low end 170x4.00=680 so your N app almost tripled it’s ROI
@@Jason-dv8zf you are saying without Chemical inputs the yield will be 80, but with soil function, it will be higher. Look at old posts by young red angus, he's american, so speaks your langauge, I'm struggling to comprehend the statement
so I got from your talk that as soon as Urea (or buried liquid nitrogen preparations) meets water it gasses off as Hydrogen? Is that correct (sorry, I'm a farm fan - and complete ingnoramus; trying to understand the physics/chemistry). Thanks for posting, very interesting overview.
@@MichaelHolloway No, urea converts to NH3, which then grabs a hydrogen from the nearest water molecule to form NH4. If the soil is saturated and atmospheric oxygen can't get into the soil, then certain bacteria will use the NH4 instead of O2 and convert it into N2 in the process. That takes a couple weeks of saturated soils to be a problem, but many areas have been saturated for longer than that. The other thing that can happen to NH4 in unsaturated soils is that other bacteria convert it to NO3. That is water soluble, and it will move with water. Even well-drained areas have had a lot of water moving through them. There are a variety of ways to deal with that, but they all cost money and some of them have to be implemented before you know if you have a problem. So farmers generally plan for the most common weather in their area, and unusual weather can cause problems.
Farmers need to get away from subsidy and mono crop farming. Choose regenerative, and maybe farm-share ownership would be possible to get away from government control?
Seems like normal cycle of weather. Seems like every 12 years have the same issues pop up again.
11 years.
Which coincides with... the solar cycle.
Surprise. ... Not. It is not you, it is not CO2, it's the sun!
It is not the weather it is loss of soil aggragate (size) & diversity. Like pouring water on a hot frying pan or decide for yourself try it a free flowing sieve filled with pea gravel or fried clay. Which will run off faster? Do the experiment. We have compacted & poisoned the soil so it bakes & water flashes off as tilling creates weeds & weeds create tilling so we poison soil life & seed gmo roundup ready. I have moved my garden now to mostly fruit trees as a carb is a carb & since I turned 4 plus acres into over 800 trees & shrubs I have 25 deer in my yard grouse ducks geese song birds by hundreds all from an oat field all these to harvest & getting two beef next spring as I sowed cover into 1 acre garden & sold my tractor.
@@Tossdart just fyi most farmers only move the top 3 to 4 inch’s of soil. An many plant clover or other types cover crops. They do rotate crops to reduce fertilizer cost. Remember land cost a lot to lease or buy. So dream or retirement farming practices only work for small farms. These small farms can’t generate required income to support families. Currently grain farmers depending on state need 1000 acres per employee.
@@watombcover crops is not the norm for the majority of farmers across the us, tons of farmers still work the ground in the fall and leave it bare all winter. And I disagree that regenerative practices are only for small farmers. Rick Clark farms 7k acres using regenerative practices. Gabe brown farms several 1000 acres. It can most definitely be done.
Conventional ag is always being 2 weeks away from a drought, and 2 days away from a flood. I’ll never get close to the yields they get on a good year, but a bad year means I get 174-184, instead of 194-204. When you factor in the late planting date, the ultra ultra short season RM’s I use, that’s not bad. Add in the pounds of beef gain per acre from grazing pee wee cattle, the poultry poundage, I’m making more nutritional value, calories and nutrients, than any corn field will ever make.
Maybe I should stay in idaho where I get 220+ most years
@@canyonstinky7817 mid 200’s and close to, maybe even a little over 300 is pretty common around me. But that’s a one hit wonder, a single revenue stream. All of my organic corn is contracted at over $7/bushel this year, which is really low actually. But that premium is a factor in choosing farming methods.
@LtColDaddy71 Your "About" write-up sounds fascinating. Particularly your use of non hybrid corn. Where are your videos? I would like to learn more about your approach.
You're getting 200 ish bushels with non-hybrid corn? That's pretty impressive. What general area are you located in?
Everyday life for a farmer,,theres nothing new going on,,even the floods they happen to somebody somewhere every year
Not like this
Yeah this seems to be an exceptional year for rain.
@cody481 you got that right I got lucky what little I got Is hill ground I got better looking crop than I had in last 3 yrs
@@cody481not where I’m at on the east coast, it hasn’t been this dry in over decade
Most pollution comes froms city runoff.
No it just means you are locked into a single way of thinking along with everyone else. Big corporation controls you so you need them to sell as most farmers since nobody resists them. One farmer alone has a hard time to sell as mega meat controls government & nobody can get a local processing facility due to cost & measures to ensure they never do as they are alone. Together we stand divided we fall. My old wife & I are retired farmers. We planted over 800 trees on our 4 acres so far & onward. My native trees now can be lumber or locally shelves, tables & list goes on. An example: We harvested 1100 lbs of tomatoes just from 50 plants I grew in two 8 inch pots from saved seeds. I could have grown lawn. You have flooding since you have no soil infiltration due to loss of aggragate & that is just basic. I am from Alberta Canada. I know about monoculture gmo farming trust me. Listen to Gabe okay. We should be growing livestock on cover crops & grass & nuts & fruits & on & on in cities as well. Did you know & be truthful now yes or no that the loss of 4.5 billion with a b American Chestnuts due to an introduced ornamental changed Appalachia forever? Yes as one tree fed a village. Provided lumber that never rotted for most everything. What If We Changed?
I hadn't known just how complicated corn growing is. Thank-you for sharing your experience and knowledge.
Yea, they look for all kinds of road kill.
@@gardencornrobber That was a type O. I intended to say corn
@@peterhanssen7910 Edit it? Lol...
@@Meditations2024 Thanks, I thought once you committed something to the comments it there to stay.
I said stop farming monoculture did I not? Farm anything but! No monoculture forests either the current model cougars can't even find deer in it on Vancouver Island so eat livestock. The model is broken. Look at what I wrote. Look at the people I mentioned as a start. I also said we are retired farmers I only gave an example of our 4 acres which you can see on my channel as just that an example. Did you look at any of the people I mentioned or just comment? So tilling the first 4 inches of just my garden resulted in a hole in my property due to that soil blowing away. Never mind Anywhere east of Calgary are you kidding me now?! Start with listening to Gabe Brown, Geoff Lawton, White Oak Pastures, Mark Sheperd to name just a few. here on You Tube. So sowing green manure then tilling is tilling. Sow cover, pasture livestock into it & if you must grow monoculture then crimp roll directly & air seed. Just be aware most grains are for feed lots to make livestock high in omega 6 & the rest goes to cereals to feed obesity & diabetes. Gabes cattle are higher in omega 3 then mackeral x 3. Just fyi.
The current model produces so much grain that the price often has to go below the cost of production in order to discourage growers from producing more.
How is that even a response to what I wrote? He starts by talking about flooding & drought. Monoculture is a devil formed by devils to feed livestock & humans nutrient depleted food. Look behind dude do you see any American Chestnuts growing? No as 4.5 billion of those were extincted by same dummies as did buffalo to almost none. Yet we do have other trees you know. We do have other waysoh wait if we use one way wouldn't that be onewayoculture? A bit like twowayoculture Trump or Well now Kamela no hope of threewayoculture & voting for Robert Kennedy Jr & Regenerative Agriculture. Goodness me. Watch Mark Shepard here on tube. The entire thing is cost more to store the commodity than to give it.
I supply my own nitrogen. 🤫
You poop by every corn stalk?
@@gardencornrobber *Pee
Chickens in the corn
Guess we could apply more N to replace what washed into our water supply so we can make more ethanol that has to be subsidized to be sustainable 🤔 Yep, I think that’s the correct answer👍
American way.
Tell me more about subsidized ethanol. Subsidies ended years ago. How about subsidies for EV’s and solar panels and wind turbines.
@@whjerts You and I know that they exchanged one con for another, nothing else changed.
I sincerely wish this was still the US of A of the good old days, with slightly stronger anti-trust laws. Standard Oil is almost entirely refusioned, and Big Tech is worse than that monopoly ever was. These days there is no chance to get ahead in the market unless you are already rich AND got support from the 3letter agencies. All the while the taxpayer gets fleeced down to the bare bones.
@@donaldduck830 the real redistribution of taxes has been sent to black and brown communities, don't you hear a word that your racist vice president has said for 3 years?
Only problem is the money is being given away as socialist hand outs instead of creating jobs in those communities to get them off the tit. Bring the jobs in manufacturing back to the once thriving inner cities like Detroit for example and get them not only off the streets but off the government redistribution handouts , empowering those said people to get off the handouts that you and I are loosing in the form of OUR social security, and that we paid in for our entire carrers..
You know retirement is a thing of the past in 9 years or less if you don't have any other source of income after 62 but SS?
We paid for it, and instead of making our rightful retirement benefits grow for those of us that paid into it, this administration prefers to drain ot and hand it out to tentative future voter bases, who will vote of course for more handouts.. we need accountability and absolute transparency in where our tax money is going, if not the skim off the top begins to get more towards half!!!!
Fair point but consider that corn production is subsidised. I don’t think it’s wise to make ethanol from crops because it compromises world food security. My preference is for solar and wind energy. Nuclear is better than coal. The Russians can keep all their gas!
Plant beans when the corn is one foot high.
wood chips, rock dust, and ashes. but that's not allowed by your contracts, is it?
That is an excellent video with some stuff I had not considered before.
Sounds like some changes in management are warranted?
Stop using synthetic fertilizers
Maybe it’s time to stop the monoculture / chemical approach to agriculture. It would help stop the pollution of our surface waters.
Mono -culture, what could go wrong.😂
If the nitrogen will reduce the bushels that is a good thing to keep prices from collapsing further.
Just rotate your crops man
Conventional chemical farming ain't the way to go. Time to learn permaculture methods.
Fly Nitrogen? 2 guys on a 4 wheeler throwing urea can get 100 acres done in a day.
I grow nitrogen fixing corn because the soil or as we locals call it "sugar sand" is very poor in nutrients
Farming doe profit has destroyed the land. Farmers are ti blame
Why arent we using genetics from the corn in mexico that has its own nitrogen generating and fixing capabilities?
Because it isn't adapted to the US corn belt, and even where it is adapted, it doesn't yield a fraction of what the adapted hybrids do. Even in a year like this, it won't yield more than the adapted hybrids.
There is no corn producing nitrogen! That corn trait would be a game changer worth a trillion dollars.
Stop pesticides
My guess is you are to late for biologicals.
Might help some?
cost? That 1 field looks like an ocean.
It’s all relative. Big costs but huge production.
Most of our nitrogen comes as a by product from oil refinement . Thanks joe
Almost all of it is fueled by natural gas.
Good time to start looking into regenerative agriculture.
go pcikup a chemistry textbook..... regenerative ag doesnt work
Plant clover
Good content.
Your concerns are so overblown. Rainmakes grain. Thunderstorms fix nitrogen from lightning bolts. It will be a bumper crop, trust me
Nope don’t think so!😂
Yes thunderstorms fix nitrogen into the soil but at such a low rate that it is not going to supply the need.
We are all very dependent on high acre yields to provide the bounty we are use to.
I don't think we could continue our abundant lifestyle without the petrochemical aids.
Last year very near harvest our tiny 30x30 corn patch turned VERY lime green.
The only way we had a serious harvest was because 2 little boys crawled on hands and knees with huge quickly made salt shakers full of quickly gathered chicken poo.
Now the problem is the poo is so fresh and hot that it would burn the plants and ruin the corn.
So they carefully applied the shakers to the furrows ONLY.
Then this old guy watered the corn patch 100 gallons per day for 3 days in a row.
Every leaf that got dusted by accident showed it's unhappiness for 2 days.
By the 3rd day the sprinkler applied creek water had washed all the dust from the leaves which healed very well.
The corn plants by day 3 were the dark dark green we love to see.
The ears had swollen very fat and sweet.
We had corn all winter long and into the spring.
We had 2 little boys that ate the first and last servings of corn and they were so very very proud of themselves because they knew beyond any shadow of doubt that they saved the entire harvest.
They could see the damage caused by to hot fertilizer dusting the leaves.
They saw the leaves healing as it was washed gently to the roots.
They saw the color change and watched it happen so very quickly.
I am not raising corn I am raising men.
WTF?
The USDA will report a good crop. That's all that the market cares about.
@@paulanderson3349 cheap food policy at the expense of the farmers!
Sidedress my guy
It’s great news because lower yield means higher prices instead of these big yields flooding the markets every where so droughts and flooding combined will take care of the over production .Mother nature’s way of controlling prices.
You can have free nitrogen with no problem at all.
Yep, and there's more than just atmos N potential if particular management systems are adopted
Not in the supply needed to grow the yields they are getting. You all don’t get it. Let’s say they are shooting for 250 bu corn. That is 7 tons of just grain. Another 14-20 tons of fodder and anywhere from 5-10 tons of root growth. Soil will only produce 20-30 lbs per percentage of om.
@@Jason-dv8zf ok, let's break it down to $return per acre comparison.
You need to factor in the cost of the N, and the pesticides.
And so this is just using a single N fixing cover crop. Which is also not the correct approach to build soil function
Moving away from detrimental inputs such as the common chemistry should improve soil function, and reduce costs.
You may not produce the same yield, but costs should be less to compenstae for the income reduction
@@666bruv yes because think 90% of your cost are already in place. Rent-herbicides-P&K/micros-seed-equipment-fungicieds. So let’s say with 300$ an acre rent and all your other inputs cost you another 250, and your iron cost sets you back another 150 an acre and assuming you have 2%on with no manure you can 200 lbs of N at 250$. With out the N your yield will be somewhere around 80 bushel with the n 250 to 300. So on the low end 170x4.00=680 so your N app almost tripled it’s ROI
@@Jason-dv8zf you are saying without Chemical inputs the yield will be 80, but with soil function, it will be higher. Look at old posts by young red angus, he's american, so speaks your langauge, I'm struggling to comprehend the statement
cool spring too?
so I got from your talk that as soon as Urea (or buried liquid nitrogen preparations) meets water it gasses off as Hydrogen? Is that correct (sorry, I'm a farm fan - and complete ingnoramus; trying to understand the physics/chemistry).
Thanks for posting, very interesting overview.
@@MichaelHolloway No, urea converts to NH3, which then grabs a hydrogen from the nearest water molecule to form NH4. If the soil is saturated and atmospheric oxygen can't get into the soil, then certain bacteria will use the NH4 instead of O2 and convert it into N2 in the process. That takes a couple weeks of saturated soils to be a problem, but many areas have been saturated for longer than that.
The other thing that can happen to NH4 in unsaturated soils is that other bacteria convert it to NO3. That is water soluble, and it will move with water. Even well-drained areas have had a lot of water moving through them. There are a variety of ways to deal with that, but they all cost money and some of them have to be implemented before you know if you have a problem.
So farmers generally plan for the most common weather in their area, and unusual weather can cause problems.
Can you just get on with it! If you sat there and described everybody’s problems before you, you would never get to what you wanted to talk about