Honestly, I thought you were going to talk about a Delta anchor. I’ve using a CQR just because it came with my boat, but it really impressed me over the years. Delta is quite common where I cruise and they are always dragging around me.... for some reason the CQR knockoffs are really bad. I’ll give you that..
A reference to SV Panope who does standardized test on numerous anchors. He gives the data on his tests and not his opinion on which is the best anchor for given situation. Will be surprised that Rocna has some failure points. No anchor is the “best” anchor. Probably a strong predictor of anchoring success has to do with the proper anchor selection for the bottom, proper setting, sufficient scope and snubber usage.
@@RiggingDoctor So if that is the case, why did you say to choose a roll bar anchor? Is the anchor at the top of Panope's evaluation chart of test results a roll bar anchor? No, it is not.
I chose the Mantus because they set and reset reliably and quickly, and because it is bolted together. A lifetime warranty is rather worthless if you can’t get the replacement shipped to your remote location. If the shank bends, as it’s the weakest part of the anchor, a replacement fits in a parcel easily and isn’t that heavy. We carry three anchors now (we had 4) for a variety of situations but the Mantus is still our primary choice for most conditions. What sealed the deal for me was the reducing scope and reset tests he did. Those seemed like really good methods to torture an anchor.
FACT: I really like your channel and your alternative systems. FACT: I have been using a CQR anchor on my 36 foot 13 ton Bermudan Sloop for 25 years and never once, has it let me down. My usage has taken me all around the UK and down the European Atlantic coast into the Med and EVERY island within, and now is in Greek waters. Now, I prefer to anchor, being on a dodgy pontoon or a harbour wall in 50 knots plus of wind, is no joke. When this happens, and it's happening more frequently in Greece, I get away and lay at anchor. My CQR has never failed !! I agree, the the latest Rocna type anchors, are brilliant. but I have on two occasions, whilst in Greece, seen them fail. But let us be honest here, it's not the anchors, but the operator that sets them. Anchoring is an artform, and you can tell if someone deploying an anchor knows their stuff. I have a favourite anchorage, where I anchor in 12metres on sand/mud/grit. In calm conditions I put out 30m of chain. But I have seen out a 4 day blow of 40-60 kts with 60m of chain plus a 15m snubber rope, which allows more chain to lay on the seabed. Apart from the noise, all was well. My library took a bashing during this time I can tell you. Kind Regards, Barnacle Bern SY Cadbri UK.
I used to only use a 20kg Bruce (the original one that was made in Belgium) and I had no intentions of changing anchors. Then one day, I decided to see what existed in the way of modern anchors and I was astonished. The Bruce has become our 3rd anchor and we now have a different primary and secondary anchor. I could always anchor with the Bruce and make it hold me, but modern anchors hold so much more easily!
@@RiggingDoctor Good to hear from you Herbie, yeah, I only carry 3, CQR bower, Danforth kedge, and a Delta, oh, and a 24in Navy Pattern, a tiny little thing, for the tender. I came upon it on a dive in the Hebrides. Love your videos, keep ‘em coming. B. 👍👍
Well, after numerous times of struggling to set, and once lost holding, I replaced my 27kg cqr this spring with a 27 kg Ultra anchor. Like night and day, sets immediately and every time. Love it, but it was not cheap. But cheaper than a 12 ton boat on the rocks😊
I'm kinda with you on this one. Although I've never had a plough (I have a Rocna) all the reviews/reports I read had the Rocna in the top three - usually at #1. That was good enough for me. Two days ago I anchored in kelp in 20kts+ wind. The good old Rocna skipped once through the kelp then bit hard. I had 7:1 scope of 10mm chain and didn't budge an inch. Another guy came in an hour later with a CQR and made three attempts before succeeding. Nuff said
This is such a timely video! I was just at a local consignment shop and there was twenty of these things out front for sale. It just so happened that a guy pulled up to drop off stuff to sell.... and he had a plow anchor. I respectfully asked why he's getting rid of it and he just said he didnt need it anymore! Thanks for clearing this up!
I have a bowsprit, so I am forced to use a non-rollbar type... I have my eye on the Mantus v2 as I've heard Spade have galvanization issues. Although right now, I am guilty as charged. 45lb CQR (Original). :D That being said --> This video is like kicking a fire ant hill, bashing a hornet's nest, and poking a bear at the same time! great video :)
Haha! Good thing they can’t sting me through the screen 😬 I have seen a boat with a bow sprit mount the roll bar anchor at a rather steep angle so that the bar fit under the spar. Otherwise, the M2 looks pretty stout
Forget the Mantus and get yourself a Sarca Excel. Despite the superficial resemblance, it is NOT a plow. And you can use it with your bowsprit. *And* it outperforms Mantus and Rocna anchors.
Damn, this triggered me a bit, I admit, haha! I loved my 45lb CQR for my whole Caribbean trip. Many many anchorages and no dragging. BUT I will admit I have thought the same thing, a plow is designed to run through the ground slowly, surely a spade must be better at stopping you in a hard blow. I'll think about it for my next boat.
With the lead and a scope the CQR digs in different than a plough in the field. I have ploughed many a field and if the plough was at the same angle as the CQR your tractor would be doing a wheel stand in the field!!! I have had my CQR for years and it has never let me down!!!! A rocna is basically a plough with a roll bar!!! So I am going to have to disagree with you this time!!!!
Great video and good job for getting your point across. I'm hoping and looking forward to you explaining the pros and cons of good anchors and which ones they are. I have a application for sand and mud.
My boat came with CQR as a 2nd anchor. I used it as a stern anchor in soft mud and dropped it 50 metres behind my boat, I then pulled in the line and pulled the CQR by hand all the way back to the boat and it didnt set! That anchor was removed from my boat and replaced with a Fortress.
💡 info. 👍 On my 31'@ wl, I use a 35lb. CQR w/200ft. of 1/2" high stength stainless steel chain with 300ft. of 3/8" rope rode with no problem for years. The bottom is sand & solid rock patches. Mud & silt was a NO NO BRUCE & ROCK⚓anchors were sparsely used. But still used. Only saw👀 the rope when inspected bi-weekly. Still very good info. 👍
with 200' of 1/2 chain out, you could use a 15lb dumbbell as your anchor and you'll stay put! Where are you able to put out that much scope? Most the places I anchored were 10-15' depth and I'd put out 50 - 100' of chain & anchor for a 31' boat.
Presently have that as my primary. To leave the boat at harbor (watched) barrowing a 100# rusty chained additionally to my chain. I have had it plow at gale wind slowly towards shore till less than 3' depth under the keel. 1.7' tried to motor forward against the wind, not enough power. Fully survived event. Many things to improve.
I replaced my anchor with a plough because that's what was on the boat. We had some problems setting and we would drag. About a year later, we bought a Mantus M2. Rocna was not in stock. We'll what a bloody difference, sets great, holds great. Some places it's like I have tied up to a pylon, boat just stops dead when setting. I just bought a big f-off mix of rocna and mantus anchor as a storm/mooring anchor. Can't wait to test it. Poor windlass is going to hate me.
You don't seem to know the way a farmplow works but hey, you aren't alone. All farm plows are adjustable for depth, if you look where the plow attaches to the tractor you will see an attaching device with several holes, one on top of the other. This is how you set the depth. In an anchor, if the pull is along the sea bed almost horizontal, the anchor will just keep digging in. The reason the CQR is so popular is because such giants in the early sailing days like Hal Roth, used them and bragged about how well they worked. Just remember this was a guy with a 14,000 pound boat, using scopes of seven to one or longer, and his chain size was a massive 3/8. Very heavy for his boat. And lastly, the very worst anchor is not the CQR, it is the Bruce or it's copies. S/V panope has tested dozens of anchors and the Bruce won't hold in any ground no matter what scope or speed you try to set it. And they are very popular also.
Back then, the CQR was revolutionary! You are right, the Claw is another atrocity. Hopefully, more and more boats will get modern rollbar anchors that work really well and then we won’t have to worry about neighbors dragging into us during the night 😎
I really dislike the Bruce, they are popular here (the PNW and alaska) for their versatility. The issue I have is that they either drag, or they hook into a rock. I anchor up everyday, with a Bruce rigged with a breakaway for fishing. I think you still need to have specific anchors for different bottoms even in this day and age.
Thank you very much for your opinion on the plow anchor. I have seen your birds and other videos. Do they travel with you? If so do you keep them Below in cages?
I am only 19 seconds into this video and going to make a guess at the worst anchor you see on so many boats..... CQR. Yep I was right. I have a CQR that was on my boat when I got her. Upgraded to the one up oversized Rocna Vulcan but going to keep the CQR for a stern anchor however still just hope it will be OK for that.
I hope so too because if it drags and tangles with your bow anchor, you now have no anchor set in the bottom and retrieving them will be next to impossible. A fortress makes an excellent stern anchor.
I have my old CQR that came with the boat in my attic. Now have a standard Mantus M1. I tell everyone I know with a CQR; "You must be crazy get that thing off your boat!"
Wish you could have seen my face when you said CQR! I love my anchor, a 35 pounder which is oddly enough on lawn jokey duty, LoL. I've never anchored in anything but mud where this thing never gave an inch even in a gale on Morrow Bay. Believe me you'd know if you were plowing on Morrow Bay, no room at all. One day I'll find another boat to put this anchor on. For now, land lubbing.
Herb, 100% spot on. I have an original 45lb CQR anchor and it is a terrible anchor particularly in soft Cheseapeake mud. I call it "The Plow Queen". Very reliably plows, plowing faster in higher winds or currents and slower in less.
Sorry but strongly disagree with you there are several anchors that are much worse. An aside I have a CQR in my anchoring kit . Have most types ready or near ready to deploy. All work good when properly deployed. The only ones I have not had fail are my fortress and my CQR.
@@skipper9400 actually I am a retired shipwright. You must not have done much actual world sailing . Not all of the hype works all of the time . I have found in over 40 years sailing that it is good to have options.
I'm not a religious person, not even when it comes to anchors. My boat was factory fitted with a CQR 25 years ago... I've just bought this boat, and I've used this anchor a bit. It has not let me down so far. But dont get me wrong if anyone wants to buy me a new better anchor I'll gladly accept the replacement. But until then I'll be one of the CQR dudes plowing the ocean floor at night and the ocean itself during the day. Best regards form Jarle
As an amateur radio operator, aka Ham, I first thought of the very large and heavy transmitters of generations past that are affectionally known as "boat anchors".
Please check the perches for the macaws. The tailfeathers look completely chewed up. Thats most of the time because a perch is to low, to sharp and abrasive cage bars or the parrot has to walk everywhere. In which case look up some free flight training on youtube. In todays time nobody has to clip the parrots wings. There is much great information out there to teach all parrots (even old ones that have been clipped all their life) to atleast recall and indoor fly. If you wanna have them outdoors you just have to put the work in and free flight train them or put a flight harness on. PS the idea and proven thought is that a healthy clipped parrot can very much fly away, just very badly. If your clipped parrot never flies, its usually because of health issues and diet issues (obese), not because you clipped him. Look up moulting wild crow pictures. They often lose 50% of the primary feathers every year and still fly very much. Please give it some thought and watch some youtube videos of the "birdtricks" channel or someone else. You are an educated man (dentist I believe?), please educate yourself. Thanks. Anyways, the sailing content is great :)
We are completely educated about our parrots. The broken tail feathers are from their cages before we got them. Neither has gone through a full molt. I disagree about clipping their wings. I’m on a parrot forum and people are constantly losing their birds because they fly away. We live in a boat. If they fly away, they die. There is no indoor flying because, again, we live on a tiny boat.
@@RiggingDoctor I have a CQR & a Bruce. Both are on my bow roller. I’m getting a modern anchor. I like the Vulcan but may go with a Mantus. It performs almost as good as the Vulcan but less $$.$$.
CQR anchors seem to rank last when comparison tested. The Danforth / Fortress style anchor has always been fantastic in sand and mud bottoms. In one situation I had too little scope (5:1) because of depth, lots of southerly wind and swell action off Santa Barbara island and imy Danforth still held fast. Haven't seen a comparison test of it in rocky bottoms though.
Danforth type hold well until the chain gets wrapped around all the bits sticking out which can happen with a change in current if the anchor does not move in the bottom. Then later when it blows up you anchor can get tripped .
We replaced our 45lb CQR with a 65lb Mantus M2....absolutely love the M2. A bit oversized for our Westsail 32 but eh. The CQR did seem to hold well in mud, but anything else it absolutely sucks. So true what you are saying here. Cheers
I never had any trouble whatsoever with my plough type Manson anchor. Most people who have trouble with them just use too light an anchor, or use it where ANY anchor would not have held well.
I recently replaced the Bruce with a Rokna that cost $900 a plough would have cost just over $100 and that's why they are popular. " The Bruce was good though it didn't like weed and would scoop up large rocks"
yeah hang that cqr off the bow, fit in with all the other blow boaters but for the love of your boat and crew store your danforth in an easily accessible storage locker. 35yrs commercial fishing in the Dry Tortugas everytime a sailboat dragged through the hafbor and many occasions into me, they pulled up a cqr.
There is a rather old video from Skip Novak for Yachting Monthly on anchoring in heavy weather…guess what…he had a CQR. I guess he uses something better now. One thing is most CQR you see are probably copies, and not as good as the original. Of course you can get away with a much lighter anchor with a modern design. Sure most of you folk have seen the SV Panoply test.
That is debatable...a lot of people say Rocna or Mantus M2. The M2 is cheaper....also the standard Mantus is pretty incredible and it works every time for me.. A backup anchor should be a Fortress or generic Danforth anchor as they have the best holding power in a lot of different bottoms except for rocky.
Yeah, CQR is pretty bad, but in my experience, the very worst anchor is the Bruce (claw) - I've dragged many times on one, and promptly replaced it with a Delta, which has never given me any trouble.
Yes, CQR is subpar, but not the worst. Bruce anchors are worse unless what you are looking for is consistent but mediocre hold in mud. Lewmar’s claw is even worse than a Bruce. Good luck with the Delta, a mediocre anchor that is far from the best.
For the video Blah..Blah.. Blah... Plow Anchors are bad ... Blah ,Blah, Blah, Pic of plow anchor Blah...blah...blah ..and no pic of good/better anchors ... blah, blah, blah ............ Then skill share advert and still no pic of good anchors. End of video. I really enjoy your video's but this ............. A video showing how the good anchors work vs the plow in the near future ???????? thankee kindly ........... enjoy
The CQR is far from the worst anchor. The Delta is so much worse than any other modern anchor it's unreal. I have been cruising since 1984, around 200,000 miles. I have many happy nights on a CQR. I would not buy one now though - the new generation anchors are much better, except the Delta. Also...buy one very big anchor and stick it on your bow as your main AND storm anchor. I have an 80kg anchor up front. I sleep very well.
That’s an excellent point about using the big one all the time. If you anchor for the night in calm weather and then a storm kicks up unexpectedly, that’s not the time to retrieve the smaller anchor and deploy the storm anchor! Anchor once and safely every time, the other boats in the anchorage will appreciate it!
Even worse is a knock off D type. They can be ok, but I bought two recently, cheap, oversized, should be ok. It just stayed on its back and never set! Obviously the design is critical…and they got it wrong.
Anchors are great they even made a movie about them called Anchors Away. We enjoy all you videos but it’s getting to be to many commercials. We will see numerous commercials during the video plus embedded commercials during the video and as far as Skillshare is concerned after watching a number of videos in one evening we will see many Skillshare videos it is getting the point of excess. We do absolutely love the sailing videos that you people produce.
We are here to learn. So get to the point. You repeated yourself several times about how bad the plow is but never spent time on what is better and why. Your bird is a distraction and not an advantage.
The modern anchors which are just different version a plow do set faster an in more situations but the CQR is still a very reliable anchor wen set right. Check out the well know artic expedition sailor Skip Novack. ua-cam.com/video/rYfoki6vW-M/v-deo.html
The same Skip Novack who disses the Jordan Series Drogue, despite admitting he's never even tried one? I have lots of respect for Skip, but the ultimate authority on all things sailing, he ain't. Someone should give him a Sarca Excel, or a Super Sarca, and watch how quickly he'd toss his CQR away.
That talk about plows is not true. An anchor like Delta or similar do actually dig in, and hold - not until the pulling gets toos strong, it then moves. BUT ALSO stays embedded in the bottom. Also the plow Delta like is NOT tend to collect sticky sandy/mud that makes the anchor roll over, like Rocna and others actually can do. Keep to facts that you can test yourself next time.
With all due respect, the anchor moving but always staying embedded in the bottom is precisely what I was talking about. That is by definition “plowing the bottom”.
@@RiggingDoctor You talk a lot about a plow anchor beeing useless. Have you tried them? In the real world, The Delta and the CQR are actually working extremely well. As a fact, I have testet my Delta 6 kg, and a CQR 6,5 kg versus my Rocna 6 kg many times - and all of them hold ALMOST the same load - actually the Delta is holding a bit more than the Rocna. AND what is even more important: WHEN they are overloaded - then the Delta and the CQR stay embedded - and give constant resistance - whereas, the Rocna several times popped out, and took time to resettle. And if there is sticky material, the Rocna may get fouled, and never reset, because it is dragging on the side. The plow types do not get fouled in this way. Take a look at my tests here - it is danish text, the graphics may be to understand - and you are welcome to ask. facebook.com/A-Overgaard-1513144632321896
Every time someone drags through the anchorage, they pull up a CQR when they leave. Never a Mantus or Rocna. I would call that a test. By the way, it’s never that windy when they are dragging so I can only imagine how terrible they would be when you actually need them to work.
I really enjoy your videos but this one has so much repetition in it - skip the repetition, cut the length in half and then add a segment about what the alternatives are (in your opinion). BTW - even a fisherman’s anchor can hold well in the right conditions with the right set, likewise the plough, the mushroom etc. Anchoring is not just about the ‘hook’ but about the entire rig and set.
Yep. Here's some factoid stuff. For 1100 years Europeans use a board as a plow blade. They'd end up with 2-4 oxen pulling that thing. Meanwhile, all that time, over in China... they were using a plow -which looked exactly like a plow anchor. No one in China or anywhere else in Asia ever used more than one (maybe two) water buffalo to pull that plow. (The top soil in Guangdong province, Pearl River Delta? It is 8 feet thick! Black as my pirate's heart and rich as the best chocolate cake. This is in one farming village my family is from that's been there for at least 600 years. ) Why is this plow so good? Less friction, it efficiently cuts and lifts the soil rather than just pushes through it- as you say not a good thing for an anchor. Probably like the difference between the resistance of a Bayliner hull and a half-submerged VW bus. Clearly you want your boat to be more like the Bayliner - but not your anchor). And are anchors really technology? All the newer amazing anchors could've existed at any time since the bronze age. Like the better Chinese plow. Clearly Marco Polo and Matteo Ricci weren't interested in farming - they also weren't sailors. So maybe there's a piece of metal hanging off a squid boat in China that's a brilliant anchor design that's never made it over here. In my sailing course I had to learn about anchors. The new good ones like the Rocne are 2-3x more money than the old plows - for two reasons. Some of these designs are still patented, but more importantly: they're better anchors.
Our patrons have allowed us to have many experiences while sailing. All of these years and miles has allowed me to gather a lot of information which I then impart onto them. I feel it’s better to learn from the mistakes and triumphs of others, which is how they learn from us.
Pretty useless drivel Herbie. What is the best anchor? What works best in all bottoms? What works best in sand? What works best in the Bahamas? What works best on the East coast? Get my point? We have all seen dragging boats. Some even admit to dragging. What is the best anchor is like asking where to invest for guaranteed growth. I bought a CQR, real one, brand new in 1996. Then it was THE anchor to have. Looking forward for your video of "this is the worlds best anchor and you must buy one". Keep up the good work. Enjoy the videos.
The “best anchor” video is going to be a bit of a discussion as you pointed out, there are many factors and the best anchor is one that holds in that situation. The thing we have seen in all these situations, both on the east coast and across to the Med is that the plow is consistently an issue for other cruisers. Stay tuned for that video :)
Right. A field for agriculture and the machinery to do it are totally comparable to sea bottoms and securing a vessel? And what’s with the petulant teenage voice and approach?
So you went off on a rant, without ever saying what anchors you think are better than crappy plough anchors. What was the point of your video? Just to diss CQR owners and have a bit if a tantrum about them? And then you have the nerve to have a full 30% of your video as an ad?
You really need to do your research before you dis an anchor. Your comments are not based on any trials that you have done or comparisons. Your video is not based on evidence. Sorry dude, losing cred now. 👎
In 9 more years it will be a 100 year old design! Some things are timeless because they work, but in those past 90 years, many improved designs have come about.
He HAS done his research. And here are the trials, comparisons and evidence he based his conclusions on. ua-cam.com/channels/y1Fn_m9nfcf4asEG_bulHA.html
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Rigging doctor: Plow anchors are the worst.
Me: My dad's old mushroom anchor would like to enter the competition. :-)
HAHA!! Touché
Yessss omg horrible anchor
Honestly, I thought you were going to talk about a Delta anchor. I’ve using a CQR just because it came with my boat, but it really impressed me over the years. Delta is quite common where I cruise and they are always dragging around me.... for some reason the CQR knockoffs are really bad. I’ll give you that..
A reference to SV Panope who does standardized test on numerous anchors. He gives the data on his tests and not his opinion on which is the best anchor for given situation. Will be surprised that Rocna has some failure points. No anchor is the “best” anchor. Probably a strong predictor of anchoring success has to do with the proper anchor selection for the bottom, proper setting, sufficient scope and snubber usage.
I love his series of anchor tests. He was instrumental in my final decision on which anchor to purchase for cruising.
Yup, a key resource that led us to a Spade anchor (as did Attainable Adventure Cruising).
I'm not a rollbar fan 😊
I too gave up CQR for the Spade. The CQR did the trick for over 15yrs of cruising, only drug once, but once was enough.
@@RiggingDoctor So if that is the case, why did you say to choose a roll bar anchor? Is the anchor at the top of Panope's evaluation chart of test results a roll bar anchor? No, it is not.
I chose the Mantus because they set and reset reliably and quickly, and because it is bolted together.
A lifetime warranty is rather worthless if you can’t get the replacement shipped to your remote location. If the shank bends, as it’s the weakest part of the anchor, a replacement fits in a parcel easily and isn’t that heavy. We carry three anchors now (we had 4) for a variety of situations but the Mantus is still our primary choice for most conditions.
What sealed the deal for me was the reducing scope and reset tests he did. Those seemed like really good methods to torture an anchor.
Since you made a video about THE WORST ANCHOR, are there any plans to make a video about THE BEST ANCHOR?
Yes! :)
Didn't watch the video, huh
the videos are ALREADY out there...search for Ultra Reviews.
SV Panope already has that covered well: ua-cam.com/video/smgWTtFuk3U/v-deo.html.
FACT: I really like your channel and your alternative systems.
FACT: I have been using a CQR anchor on my 36 foot 13 ton Bermudan Sloop for 25 years and never once, has it let me down.
My usage has taken me all around the UK and down the European Atlantic coast into the Med and EVERY island within, and now is in Greek waters. Now, I prefer to anchor, being on a dodgy pontoon or a harbour wall in 50 knots plus of wind, is no joke. When this happens, and it's happening more frequently in Greece, I get away and lay at anchor. My CQR has never failed !!
I agree, the the latest Rocna type anchors, are brilliant. but I have on two occasions, whilst in Greece, seen them fail.
But let us be honest here, it's not the anchors, but the operator that sets them. Anchoring is an artform, and you can tell if someone deploying an anchor knows their stuff.
I have a favourite anchorage, where I anchor in 12metres on sand/mud/grit. In calm conditions I put out 30m of chain. But I have seen out a 4 day blow of 40-60 kts with 60m of chain plus a 15m snubber rope, which allows more chain to lay on the seabed. Apart from the noise, all was well. My library took a bashing during this time I can tell you.
Kind Regards, Barnacle Bern SY Cadbri UK.
I used to only use a 20kg Bruce (the original one that was made in Belgium) and I had no intentions of changing anchors. Then one day, I decided to see what existed in the way of modern anchors and I was astonished. The Bruce has become our 3rd anchor and we now have a different primary and secondary anchor.
I could always anchor with the Bruce and make it hold me, but modern anchors hold so much more easily!
@@RiggingDoctor Did you use the 20kg Bruce on Wisdom? And what weight is your current anchor?
@@RiggingDoctor Good to hear from you Herbie, yeah, I only carry 3, CQR bower, Danforth kedge, and a Delta, oh, and a 24in Navy Pattern, a tiny little thing, for the tender. I came upon it on a dive in the Hebrides.
Love your videos, keep ‘em coming. B. 👍👍
Well, after numerous times of struggling to set, and once lost holding, I replaced my 27kg cqr this spring with a 27 kg Ultra anchor. Like night and day, sets immediately and every time. Love it, but it was not cheap. But cheaper than a 12 ton boat on the rocks😊
@@Stefanesai How much chain were you using with the CQR?
I'm kinda with you on this one. Although I've never had a plough (I have a Rocna) all the reviews/reports I read had the Rocna in the top three - usually at #1. That was good enough for me. Two days ago I anchored in kelp in 20kts+ wind. The good old Rocna skipped once through the kelp then bit hard. I had 7:1 scope of 10mm chain and didn't budge an inch. Another guy came in an hour later with a CQR and made three attempts before succeeding. Nuff said
Rocna = #1.....that's debateable....testing has shown they occasionally don't reset on tide/wind changes
This is such a timely video! I was just at a local consignment shop and there was twenty of these things out front for sale. It just so happened that a guy pulled up to drop off stuff to sell.... and he had a plow anchor. I respectfully asked why he's getting rid of it and he just said he didnt need it anymore! Thanks for clearing this up!
I have a bowsprit, so I am forced to use a non-rollbar type... I have my eye on the Mantus v2 as I've heard Spade have galvanization issues. Although right now, I am guilty as charged. 45lb CQR (Original). :D That being said --> This video is like kicking a fire ant hill, bashing a hornet's nest, and poking a bear at the same time! great video :)
Haha! Good thing they can’t sting me through the screen 😬
I have seen a boat with a bow sprit mount the roll bar anchor at a rather steep angle so that the bar fit under the spar.
Otherwise, the M2 looks pretty stout
Forget the Mantus and get yourself a Sarca Excel. Despite the superficial resemblance, it is NOT a plow. And you can use it with your bowsprit. *And* it outperforms Mantus and Rocna anchors.
Damn, this triggered me a bit, I admit, haha! I loved my 45lb CQR for my whole Caribbean trip. Many many anchorages and no dragging. BUT I will admit I have thought the same thing, a plow is designed to run through the ground slowly, surely a spade must be better at stopping you in a hard blow. I'll think about it for my next boat.
With the lead and a scope the CQR digs in different than a plough in the field. I have ploughed many a field and if the plough was at the same angle as the CQR your tractor would be doing a wheel stand in the field!!! I have had my CQR for years and it has never let me down!!!! A rocna is basically a plough with a roll bar!!! So I am going to have to disagree with you this time!!!!
Mantus, Rocna, and Manson are actually scoop flukes. But it’s ok to disagree! I wanted to spark some conversation with this one
The original patented CQR is very good when used properly.
On u-tube others have shown rocks stuck in the bar loop of Rocna
Nope, unless 'properly' means putting out 10:1 scope in chain. In that case I suspect the chain drag on the seabed is sufficient to prevent dragging.
If you're gonna make sailing videos with a parrot on your shoulder, you HAVE to have an eye patch!
My bad! I’ll remember for next time
Ohh aargh
Great video and good job for getting your point across. I'm hoping and looking forward to you explaining the pros and cons of good anchors and which ones they are. I have a application for sand and mud.
We certainly will have a video about which anchors should be in the cruisers inventory.
@@RiggingDoctor - Don't ignore the Sarca range. They are amongst the few that can outperform Mantus and Rocna anchors.
Is a spade anchor (as Rocna, Manta) a "plow anchor"? So what is the best anchor for a 34 foot sloop?
Check out the Sarca range of anchors. They outperform Rocna and Mantus.
No, those are spade anchors
My boat came with CQR as a 2nd anchor. I used it as a stern anchor in soft mud and dropped it 50 metres behind my boat, I then pulled in the line and pulled the CQR by hand all the way back to the boat and it didnt set! That anchor was removed from my boat and replaced with a Fortress.
💡 info. 👍
On my 31'@ wl, I use a 35lb. CQR w/200ft. of 1/2" high stength stainless steel chain with 300ft. of 3/8" rope rode with no problem for years. The bottom is sand & solid rock patches. Mud & silt was a NO NO BRUCE & ROCK⚓anchors were sparsely used. But still used.
Only saw👀 the rope when inspected bi-weekly.
Still very good info. 👍
with 200' of 1/2 chain out, you could use a 15lb dumbbell as your anchor and you'll stay put! Where are you able to put out that much scope? Most the places I anchored were 10-15' depth and I'd put out 50 - 100' of chain & anchor for a 31' boat.
Presently have that as my primary. To leave the boat at harbor (watched) barrowing a 100# rusty chained additionally to my chain. I have had it plow at gale wind slowly towards shore till less than 3' depth under the keel. 1.7' tried to motor forward against the wind, not enough power. Fully survived event. Many things to improve.
I replaced my anchor with a plough because that's what was on the boat. We had some problems setting and we would drag. About a year later, we bought a Mantus M2. Rocna was not in stock. We'll what a bloody difference, sets great, holds great. Some places it's like I have tied up to a pylon, boat just stops dead when setting. I just bought a big f-off mix of rocna and mantus anchor as a storm/mooring anchor. Can't wait to test it. Poor windlass is going to hate me.
It’s such a huge difference in holding power!
You don't seem to know the way a farmplow works but hey, you aren't alone. All farm plows are adjustable for depth, if you look where the plow attaches to the tractor you will see an attaching device with several holes, one on top of the other. This is how you set the depth. In an anchor, if the pull is along the sea bed almost horizontal, the anchor will just keep digging in. The reason the CQR is so popular is because such giants in the early sailing days like Hal Roth, used them and bragged about how well they worked. Just remember this was a guy with a 14,000 pound boat, using scopes of seven to one or longer, and his chain size was a massive 3/8. Very heavy for his boat.
And lastly, the very worst anchor is not the CQR, it is the Bruce or it's copies. S/V panope has tested dozens of anchors and the Bruce won't hold in any ground no matter what scope or speed you try to set it. And they are very popular also.
Back then, the CQR was revolutionary! You are right, the Claw is another atrocity.
Hopefully, more and more boats will get modern rollbar anchors that work really well and then we won’t have to worry about neighbors dragging into us during the night 😎
My Bruce has been incredibly secure anchoring hundreds of times in the Pacific Northwest
LOL that is very funny with the birds!
I really dislike the Bruce, they are popular here (the PNW and alaska) for their versatility. The issue I have is that they either drag, or they hook into a rock. I anchor up everyday, with a Bruce rigged with a breakaway for fishing. I think you still need to have specific anchors for different bottoms even in this day and age.
Thank you very much for your opinion on the plow anchor. I have seen your birds and other videos. Do they travel with you? If so do you keep them Below in cages?
They do travel with us and we don’t have any cages. When we’re offshore, they simply get harnessed to the boat :)
I am only 19 seconds into this video and going to make a guess at the worst anchor you see on so many boats..... CQR. Yep I was right. I have a CQR that was on my boat when I got her. Upgraded to the one up oversized Rocna Vulcan but going to keep the CQR for a stern anchor however still just hope it will be OK for that.
I hope so too because if it drags and tangles with your bow anchor, you now have no anchor set in the bottom and retrieving them will be next to impossible. A fortress makes an excellent stern anchor.
Great tutorial video, once again!
I have my old CQR that came with the boat in my attic. Now have a standard Mantus M1. I tell everyone I know with a CQR; "You must be crazy get that thing off your boat!"
Mantus M1 is a great anchor.
Agreed! I have played around with ours on the bottom trying to make it not reset and it always resets, and it does so instantly!
Thanks for the info Herb. Take care on the ICW my friend
Wish you could have seen my face when you said CQR! I love my anchor, a 35 pounder which is oddly enough on lawn jokey duty, LoL. I've never anchored in anything but mud where this thing never gave an inch even in a gale on Morrow Bay. Believe me you'd know if you were plowing on Morrow Bay, no room at all. One day I'll find another boat to put this anchor on. For now, land lubbing.
Herb, 100% spot on. I have an original 45lb CQR anchor and it is a terrible anchor particularly in soft Cheseapeake mud. I call it "The Plow Queen". Very reliably plows, plowing faster in higher winds or currents and slower in less.
Oh crap I have a CQR but haven’t used it much…I’ll take your word for it and make a change
It’s more of a consistent thing we keep seeing in anchorages. I have personally never anchored with a CQR because I have seen others who have…
In various tests of anchor types, CQR always comes in last.
@@RiggingDoctor many thx again!
Smart! decision
I so love your informative videos. Oh yes and your Skillshare videos are just hilarious. I just may have to go over there and take a look.
Sorry but strongly disagree with you there are several anchors that are much worse. An aside I have a CQR in my anchoring kit . Have most types ready or near ready to deploy. All work good when properly deployed. The only ones I have not had fail are my fortress and my CQR.
you obviously do NOT have an Ultra......if you did, you would throw the CQR overboard, without a line attached.....OnWard
@@skipper9400 actually I am a retired shipwright. You must not have done much actual world sailing . Not all of the hype works all of the time . I have found in over 40 years sailing that it is good to have options.
An aside did some more research and I go with sv panope. Watch his CQR review video 78. ua-cam.com/video/DF6iiL3KKA4/v-deo.html
I'm not a religious person, not even when it comes to anchors. My boat was factory fitted with a CQR 25 years ago... I've just bought this boat, and I've used this anchor a bit. It has not let me down so far. But dont get me wrong if anyone wants to buy me a new better anchor I'll gladly accept the replacement. But until then I'll be one of the CQR dudes plowing the ocean floor at night and the ocean itself during the day. Best regards form Jarle
Haha!! Sail on, friend.
As an amateur radio operator, aka Ham, I first thought of the very large and heavy transmitters of generations past that are affectionally known as "boat anchors".
Had a few cars where the motor would have made a great anchor
Herby seems to be well anchored on the subject!😃
Please check the perches for the macaws. The tailfeathers look completely chewed up. Thats most of the time because a perch is to low, to sharp and abrasive cage bars or the parrot has to walk everywhere. In which case look up some free flight training on youtube. In todays time nobody has to clip the parrots wings. There is much great information out there to teach all parrots (even old ones that have been clipped all their life) to atleast recall and indoor fly. If you wanna have them outdoors you just have to put the work in and free flight train them or put a flight harness on. PS the idea and proven thought is that a healthy clipped parrot can very much fly away, just very badly. If your clipped parrot never flies, its usually because of health issues and diet issues (obese), not because you clipped him. Look up moulting wild crow pictures. They often lose 50% of the primary feathers every year and still fly very much. Please give it some thought and watch some youtube videos of the "birdtricks" channel or someone else. You are an educated man (dentist I believe?), please educate yourself. Thanks. Anyways, the sailing content is great :)
We are completely educated about our parrots. The broken tail feathers are from their cages before we got them. Neither has gone through a full molt. I disagree about clipping their wings. I’m on a parrot forum and people are constantly losing their birds because they fly away. We live in a boat. If they fly away, they die. There is no indoor flying because, again, we live on a tiny boat.
What would you prefer if you have no other choices. Bruce or CQR?
Bruce. I actually used a Bruce for the first 5 years of having my boat
@@RiggingDoctor I have a CQR & a Bruce. Both are on my bow roller. I’m getting a modern anchor. I like the Vulcan but may go with a Mantus. It performs almost as good as the Vulcan but less $$.$$.
Hi guys
In times like this an eye patch would give more authority
A big black beard could also help
Anchors away scoundrels
Thanks for the critique 😎
CQR anchors seem to rank last when comparison tested. The Danforth / Fortress style anchor has always been fantastic in sand and mud bottoms. In one situation I had too little scope (5:1) because of depth, lots of southerly wind and swell action off Santa Barbara island and imy Danforth still held fast. Haven't seen a comparison test of it in rocky bottoms though.
Danforth type hold well until the chain gets wrapped around all the bits sticking out which can happen with a change in current if the anchor does not move in the bottom. Then later when it blows up you anchor can get tripped .
We replaced our 45lb CQR with a 65lb Mantus M2....absolutely love the M2. A bit oversized for our Westsail 32 but eh. The CQR did seem to hold well in mud, but anything else it absolutely sucks. So true what you are saying here. Cheers
The anchor is your only real insurance policy, better make it a stout one!
If you tried a 65# CQR before getting the manta you might have noticed a big difference!
I never had any trouble whatsoever with my plough type Manson anchor. Most people who have trouble with them just use too light an anchor, or use it where ANY anchor would not have held well.
I recently replaced the Bruce with a Rokna that cost $900 a plough would have cost just over $100 and that's why they are popular.
" The Bruce was good though it didn't like weed and would scoop up large rocks"
I also switched from a Bruce to a Mantus. The Bruce was good but the new anchor makes it easier to anchor well.
yeah hang that cqr off the bow, fit in with all the other blow boaters but for the love of your boat and crew store your danforth in an easily accessible storage locker. 35yrs commercial fishing in the Dry Tortugas everytime a sailboat dragged through the hafbor and many occasions into me, they pulled up a cqr.
Agree, cqr is not the choice any longer, I still liked danforths better when cqr was first “cool”
We have a fortress (danforth style) and it is a rockstar on the correct bottoms!
What about recommended anchors by name.
That video is coming!
There is a rather old video from Skip Novak for Yachting Monthly on anchoring in heavy weather…guess what…he had a CQR.
I guess he uses something better now.
One thing is most CQR you see are probably copies, and not as good as the original.
Of course you can get away with a much lighter anchor with a modern design.
Sure most of you folk have seen the SV Panoply test.
His anchor test videos are the best!
You are not making my job of unloading my crappy plow anchor any easier.
Haha!! Sorrrrry
What is the best all around anchor?
That is debatable...a lot of people say Rocna or Mantus M2. The M2 is cheaper....also the standard Mantus is pretty incredible and it works every time for me.. A backup anchor should be a Fortress or generic Danforth anchor as they have the best holding power in a lot of different bottoms except for rocky.
SV Panope's Anchor Testing Summer Video is an excellent source: ua-cam.com/video/smgWTtFuk3U/v-deo.html
and Steve's other videos.
He’s an excellent source for anchor information!
Yeah, CQR is pretty bad, but in my experience, the very worst anchor is the Bruce (claw) - I've dragged many times on one, and promptly replaced it with a Delta, which has never given me any trouble.
Yes, CQR is subpar, but not the worst. Bruce anchors are worse unless what you are looking for is consistent but mediocre hold in mud. Lewmar’s claw is even worse than a Bruce. Good luck with the Delta, a mediocre anchor that is far from the best.
For the video Blah..Blah.. Blah... Plow Anchors are bad ... Blah ,Blah, Blah, Pic of plow anchor Blah...blah...blah ..and no pic of good/better anchors ... blah, blah, blah ............ Then skill share advert and still no pic of good anchors. End of video.
I really enjoy your video's but this ............. A video showing how the good anchors work vs the plow in the near future ???????? thankee kindly ........... enjoy
Best anchor video coming!
@@RiggingDoctor Thank you .... I was fussin' at 'cha not trying to slam ............... enjoy
Might want to watch the video of Skip Novak using his CQR to anchor in 50+ kts Wind off of Cape Horn.
I’ve seen it, and he managed to get it to set. If he had a better anchor he would not have to worry about it setting.
Ultra.....only one needed. PERIOD.....OnWard....
I'll see your Ultra and raise you a Sarca.
@@Garryck-1 no thanks..the trip release works when you least want it to...NO THANKYOU....ULTRA IS BEST by FAR.
The CQR is far from the worst anchor. The Delta is so much worse than any other modern anchor it's unreal. I have been cruising since 1984, around 200,000 miles. I have many happy nights on a CQR. I would not buy one now though - the new generation anchors are much better, except the Delta. Also...buy one very big anchor and stick it on your bow as your main AND storm anchor. I have an 80kg anchor up front. I sleep very well.
That’s an excellent point about using the big one all the time. If you anchor for the night in calm weather and then a storm kicks up unexpectedly, that’s not the time to retrieve the smaller anchor and deploy the storm anchor! Anchor once and safely every time, the other boats in the anchorage will appreciate it!
Even worse is a knock off D type. They can be ok, but I bought two recently, cheap, oversized, should be ok. It just stayed on its back and never set! Obviously the design is critical…and they got it wrong.
the scope of this commentary is tightly set.
It’s greater than 3:1!
Anchors are great they even made a movie about them called Anchors Away. We enjoy all you videos but it’s getting to be to many commercials.
We will see numerous commercials during the video plus embedded commercials during the video and as far as Skillshare is concerned after watching a number of videos in one evening we will see many Skillshare videos it is getting the point of excess. We do absolutely love the sailing videos that you people produce.
I think you made it pretty clear that the plot anchor is on your naughty list.
Haha I hope I got my point across 😜
We are here to learn. So get to the point. You repeated yourself several times about how bad the plow is but never spent time on what is better and why. Your bird is a distraction and not an advantage.
The video is called worst anchor. There will be another called best anchor. The bird is here to stay
The modern anchors which are just different version a plow do set faster an in more situations but the CQR is still a very reliable anchor wen set right.
Check out the well know artic expedition sailor Skip Novack.
ua-cam.com/video/rYfoki6vW-M/v-deo.html
The same Skip Novack who disses the Jordan Series Drogue, despite admitting he's never even tried one? I have lots of respect for Skip, but the ultimate authority on all things sailing, he ain't.
Someone should give him a Sarca Excel, or a Super Sarca, and watch how quickly he'd toss his CQR away.
That talk about plows is not true.
An anchor like Delta or similar do actually dig in, and hold - not until the pulling gets toos strong, it then moves. BUT ALSO stays embedded in the bottom. Also the plow Delta like is NOT tend to collect sticky sandy/mud that makes the anchor roll over, like Rocna and others actually can do. Keep to facts that you can test yourself next time.
With all due respect, the anchor moving but always staying embedded in the bottom is precisely what I was talking about. That is by definition “plowing the bottom”.
@@RiggingDoctor You talk a lot about a plow anchor beeing useless. Have you tried them?
In the real world, The Delta and the CQR are actually working extremely well.
As a fact, I have testet my Delta 6 kg, and a CQR 6,5 kg versus my Rocna 6 kg many times - and all of them hold ALMOST the same load - actually the Delta is holding a bit more than the Rocna.
AND what is even more important: WHEN they are overloaded - then the Delta and the CQR stay embedded - and give constant resistance - whereas, the Rocna several times popped out, and took time to resettle. And if there is sticky material, the Rocna may get fouled, and never reset, because it is dragging on the side.
The plow types do not get fouled in this way.
Take a look at my tests here - it is danish text, the graphics may be to understand - and you are welcome to ask. facebook.com/A-Overgaard-1513144632321896
I agree with the way it swivels it is totally useless
So your saying you don't like it?
🤣 sorry for the repetition
Nope. The slip ring "Danforth" type clone is way worse. We towed several boats off beaches that had that anchor in common.
Oh dang
@@RiggingDoctor But none had electric motors...
🤣🤣 that is a very terrible anchor! Thankfully it’s not as common a sight on the bow as a plow is.
Sounds to me like the magnets in the electric motor seem to magnetize the anchor so it sticks to the sea floor better. 🤣
Once again your knowledge and experience serve to make me a better sailor!! Thank you!
I’m a bird and I just pooped. 😂😂😂🐒
CQR!
NOOOOOOooooo 🤣🤫
CQR is decent so long as you use one that's way too big, with way too much chain.
🤣 very true!
You are not informed. Have you actually tested a CQR? It isn't as good as a 3rd Gen anchor but it is far from worst.
Every time someone drags through the anchorage, they pull up a CQR when they leave. Never a Mantus or Rocna. I would call that a test.
By the way, it’s never that windy when they are dragging so I can only imagine how terrible they would be when you actually need them to work.
@@RiggingDoctor what kind of bottom?
I pay extra not to have to sit through ads on the Tube now this ? Usually love your videos but not this one.
That’s why I put the sponsorship at the end of the video so that you wouldn’t have to sit through it to watch the video.
I really enjoy your videos but this one has so much repetition in it - skip the repetition, cut the length in half and then add a segment about what the alternatives are (in your opinion).
BTW - even a fisherman’s anchor can hold well in the right conditions with the right set, likewise the plough, the mushroom etc. Anchoring is not just about the ‘hook’ but about the entire rig and set.
I agree it was too repetitive
Yep. Here's some factoid stuff. For 1100 years Europeans use a board as a plow blade. They'd end up with 2-4 oxen pulling that thing. Meanwhile, all that time, over in China... they were using a plow -which looked exactly like a plow anchor. No one in China or anywhere else in Asia ever used more than one (maybe two) water buffalo to pull that plow. (The top soil in Guangdong province, Pearl River Delta? It is 8 feet thick! Black as my pirate's heart and rich as the best chocolate cake. This is in one farming village my family is from that's been there for at least 600 years. ) Why is this plow so good? Less friction, it efficiently cuts and lifts the soil rather than just pushes through it- as you say not a good thing for an anchor. Probably like the difference between the resistance of a Bayliner hull and a half-submerged VW bus. Clearly you want your boat to be more like the Bayliner - but not your anchor).
And are anchors really technology? All the newer amazing anchors could've existed at any time since the bronze age. Like the better Chinese plow. Clearly Marco Polo and Matteo Ricci weren't interested in farming - they also weren't sailors. So maybe there's a piece of metal hanging off a squid boat in China that's a brilliant anchor design that's never made it over here.
In my sailing course I had to learn about anchors. The new good ones like the Rocne are 2-3x more money than the old plows - for two reasons. Some of these designs are still patented, but more importantly: they're better anchors.
The worst anchor you ca use, is an undersized anchor.
Excellent point!
Rocna best anchor 🔱
👍 hell yeah! People really need to just switch over to modern anchors so that anchorages are much less “dramatic”
It looks like Charlie has heard as much as he needs to know about plough anchors....Just saying..... -)
No To Skillshare, no to your CQR opinion.Happy your patreons will allow you to play with your own experience. atb
Our patrons have allowed us to have many experiences while sailing. All of these years and miles has allowed me to gather a lot of information which I then impart onto them.
I feel it’s better to learn from the mistakes and triumphs of others, which is how they learn from us.
DO you want to know what I think about you using an electric motor for propulsion ? It causes me to question your opinion
We chose it because we like to sail, diesels are for power boats 🛥 🤣
Pretty useless drivel Herbie. What is the best anchor? What works best in all bottoms? What works best in sand? What works best in the Bahamas? What works best on the East coast? Get my point? We have all seen dragging boats. Some even admit to dragging. What is the best anchor is like asking where to invest for guaranteed growth. I bought a CQR, real one, brand new in 1996. Then it was THE anchor to have. Looking forward for your video of "this is the worlds best anchor and you must buy one".
Keep up the good work. Enjoy the videos.
The “best anchor” video is going to be a bit of a discussion as you pointed out, there are many factors and the best anchor is one that holds in that situation. The thing we have seen in all these situations, both on the east coast and across to the Med is that the plow is consistently an issue for other cruisers.
Stay tuned for that video :)
@@RiggingDoctor Will be watching...thanks
Right. A field for agriculture and the machinery to do it are totally comparable to sea bottoms and securing a vessel? And what’s with the petulant teenage voice and approach?
That was excruciatingly repetitive.
I know. Sorry
:)
So you went off on a rant, without ever saying what anchors you think are better than crappy plough anchors. What was the point of your video? Just to diss CQR owners and have a bit if a tantrum about them? And then you have the nerve to have a full 30% of your video as an ad?
Mantus is the anchor to buy if you are cruising far, Rocna or Mantus if you are cruising locally.
Not helpful at all, just a vehicle to market your sponsors.
I think it’s helpful if you were going to drop a ton of money on a CQR 😎
You really need to do your research before you dis an anchor.
Your comments are not based on any trials that you have done or comparisons.
Your video is not based on evidence. Sorry dude, losing cred now. 👎
In 9 more years it will be a 100 year old design! Some things are timeless because they work, but in those past 90 years, many improved designs have come about.
He HAS done his research. And here are the trials, comparisons and evidence he based his conclusions on. ua-cam.com/channels/y1Fn_m9nfcf4asEG_bulHA.html
i disagree. what a. total bs
a to light ankhor, wrong scope not jusing chain ore not at all but just rode are more common the reason of failing
Yes, having an incorrect setup will lead to failure, and having the wrong anchor at the end of the scope is part of the failure.
You don't know anything
Actually I know a lot.