VW Golf GTD Review: a smarter buy than a GTI?
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- Welcome to Part 4 in our Golf-themed series... A Game of Golfs.
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New Golf R vs Golf GTI vs Golf GTD - Track Race Shootout www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfIRO...
Drag Race: VW Golf GTI vs Golf GTD
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Drag Race: New VW Golf R vs Golf GTI
• Drag Race: New VW Golf...
This video begins with the following premise: The Volkswagen Golf GTI is regarded as the King of the compact hot hatchbacks… and it is one of South Africa's most desirable vehicles…
Having said that, it has become pricey, so much so that it’s out of reach of many consumers. What if there was something cheaper that could offer a comparable ownership experience and most of the performance, but importantly, consume less fuel?
The Golf GTD is similarly styled to its GTI sibling, but it’s powered by a 2.0-litre turbodiesel engine that produces 350 N.m of torque is mated with a 6-speed dual-clutch transmission. Volkswagen claims a brisk 0-100 kph time of 7.4 sec and a claimed fuel consumption of only 5.0 L/100 km. It sounds like the best of both worlds, but is it?
We take to the track with the GTD to see if it has enough GT to make up for the “D” (if you, like most enthusiasts, would prefer to have the “I”). Is this the thinking man’s GTI, or a piecemeal car?
0:00 Intro
1:18 Ride Quality
1:30 Golf GTD torque vs Golf GTI torque
2:32 What’s missing in the Golf GTD
3:34 Why you should buy the Golf GTD
4:41 Which one is better?
4:50 Fuel Consumption
6:13 Closing - Авто та транспорт
You're missing the point in my opinion, this car isn't designed to be a gti. It's a sporty car that has pretty much everything the gti has it without the running costs. The gtd is one of the best all rounders you can buy
I bought this GTD because I travel about 600km every week, and i’m so happy with it. I love it👌🏻
Just bought the GTD today too. Moving from VW golf 2.0 TDI Mk6 150. Delivery due end of September... can’t wait!
That´s the cause for the engineering for the GTD, I also travel every week 800km with this new GTD and it´s cheaper to a GTI.
Sport sound??
I had GTD 2014 older version and I have better sound in sport mode. This new GTD facelift doesnt have this sound noise, why do they do this shit? Older version sport sound is better.
For me personally it makes some sense. Most GTI drivers buy it for the looks rather than its performance capabilities. So getting a GTI look-alike at a fraction of the price while saving at the pumps is a BONUS!!! Makes sense to me...
I bought the GTD in white with all the specs added. I love this car. Getting 5.8 l/100km with very spirited driving.
how much was with all the extras? (if you dont mind me asking)
Shaun Clifford Under 6 per 100 how does next to driving for free!
Why the GTD ? in same price was not there available the better hybrid option Golf-GTE ? (you could get a govern discount for that since is a hybrid..)
@Pop Laurentiu: The GTD is for people who drives far every day. The presenter dosen't mention this, so its probably not that common in South Africa :) But en EU 30.000, 40.000 or even 50.000 km pr year isn't that uncommon. The GTI and GTE are too expensive to drive with that amount of km.
Pop Laurentiu this principle doesn’t apply to the South African market
Had my GTD 4 months. you've hit the nail on the head!...a wicked eco daily driver. I avg 47-51mpg. look good, and such a comfortable fun drive.
hahahaha i can't believe he said VRRRRR phaaaa!
Had my manual gtd for 6 month, 16 plate with 70000, got it stage 1 remapped 2 months ago. It is the best all round car I have ever owned. Maybe not the quickest. But build quality, performance and it's a joy to drive. 100 percent recommend this car to anyone
Damn..I'm seriously looking at it..a 2018 Gtd with 35kmt on the clock...but there are also 320d 2018s in its price range...just don't know.
Have you had any issues at all with the remap
No issues at all the car is running at just under 230 bhp so it's not been pushed to the limit on the stage 1. I am lead to believe that anything above that is when u will need to modify a few more things for the turbo to be able to cope with the power
@@mikepinder9953 Lovely, thank you! Also in terms of the gearbox, has it coped with the power?
No problems at all. I took my time finding a place that had really good reviews. It cost around £500 to get it done which is more than other places but would rather spend the money and get it done correctly
Great review love it
This would be my choice of hatch for sure..
gtd will always be an a solid option for those who want less trips to the pump, and without going hybrid or electric altogether for those reasons.
Bought one of these yesterday, loving it! Didn't want a GTI, I wanted a GTD so I guess I go against the reviewer here.
Your missing out sadly. My gti gets 30-40mpg (obviously not as good as the gtd) and a lot more fun
Great review
Cirro's daily driver. Spotted him in the Southern suburbs in the vehicle a while ago... I'm happy with the high end 2.0Tdi (DSG)
Best golf I have owned good performance plus great fuel economy in the UK where we get ripped off on fuel prices. VW build quality is far superior to other cars in this sector.
I full tanked my gtd drove from london to darlington an back to london still had just over quarter tank love every bit of the journey there an tbe journey back
This car is perfect for me
what with the stupid Golfs comparison? there is nothing complicated about the offerings.
GTI for carrying the hot hatch heritage.
GTD for range, while giving you a fun handling car on the twisty stuff. economic doesn't have to mean boring drive.
as for the scandal, it wasn't that big a deal. what gear head don't wish for an emmissions cheating program? and it's not the worst offence ever committed by an auto manufacturer.
Solo Bellimino finally someone with common sense! :))
Why does it say GTD then? Since it's not a GT
I kinda like the gtd but I’m concerned about owning a diesel car in London .
Collecting mine tomorrow ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊
Volkswagen should've stuck with the TDI highline badge, the GTD badge creates unnecessary expectations.
Mitch Afrika I agree, should be the same as with the Audi A3 and Seat Leon where the high powered diesel is an option on the high trim levels.
Mitch Afrika More so, pressure.
With the GTD badge comes the GTI styling and GTI's suspensios. The audi a3 or the seat leon only get a more powerfull engine with this 184 tdi, but no modification on the style or the suspension or anything else.
Mihai Onu That's true, but it's a bit of a shame to pay for the styling and suspension of the GTI without the performance. Maybe they should have fitted the 240ps Bi-TDI unit from the Passat to make it a real GTI competitor?
The problem with the bi-tdi is the torque, it has so much that will make the front tyres spin like crazy, thus needing the 4motion. Add the 4 motion, the bi-tdi engine and the price will be similar to the golf R probably, plus the added fuel consumption.
The GTD is not meant to be driven on the track, it's made for the people who do a lot of miles per year, need good fuel economy, and also a bit more sportiness than the regular golf. In my opinion, the GTD is in it's natural habitat when dooing constant high speed cruising on the highways. The GTI is faster, more fun, but cost you more when you drive many miles.
The reason VW make the GTD is down to the market. In the UK the GTD massively out sells the GTI. You would struggle to see a GTI on British roads, but GTD’s are plentiful. I’ve had one for the last 3 years, but as diesel cars are starting to get a bit of bad press in the UK, I skipped the GTI and went to a 310 BHP R 🚙😈😉
sam67uk ..Plus GTIs are a lot more likely to be stolen😕
What was the gtd like to live with? I'm torn between it and a mk7 gti as next car
This makes sense as a daily driver.
I drive a Gtd and now that the motor has reached 45,000 km and is well run In and with BP diesel .
The car really runs much better and I rarely hav to use S mode .
But the Focus ST also has diesel in Europe... so it sorts of makes sense
I like it. All the thrills (the feels) but not all the spills (problem with crime in SA). Thanks for the honest review, Ciro.
Nice
With fuel price increases going through the roof the Golf GTD is starting to make sense. Yes it doesn't have the performance of the GTI but as everyday car it would be my choice.
The GTD is a fleet car! In the UK the GTD is the best selling single trim level of the Golf by far! Its designed to appeal to the company car driver. It was never really made to appeal to the general public. You have to imagine a scenario were you get presented with a picture of a white BMW 3 series and a Golf GTD and told....."Pick one!"
I hate diesel but theres always been a special place in my heart for VW diesel cars. There one of a kind!!
What happened to the gold gtf vs amarok v6 video?
GTD has same torque as a Golf R - your statement regarding GTD engine torque being the same as GTi is incorrect 🏎
I bought the gtd 2016. With sport and sound. Coming from a bmw f30 this car is amazing. Everything is quality. It just looks slightly better than the gti as well. My total consumption for about 3000km is 6.1l/100km. Its the perfect car it has everythinf
I do have a GTD 184 HP from 2017 and we are in love. All is quality.
I think Cars review Golf more than other cars, please focus on other cars like the A250 Merc, S3, Megane, etc
I want a GTD because it would be so weird to have one in Dubai + it has been around as long as the GTI has been. It would be a collector car for sure.
I enjoy the fuel efficiency of diesel engines and with practicality of golf, may consider this. But price and what I can get for similar money also needs to be considered
Golf GTE is the hybrid brother of GTD & GTi and is a better option on long term specially if we consider the fact that Volkswagen will ditch the diesel engines and diesel cars will be soon banned worldwide after that horrible Dieselgate scandal..
I think they are dumping GTD stock here because they can barely move diesel after the scandal.
Exactly beside it will be only the GTi and the hybrid GTE ..
GTD is not a new nameplate as suggested It's been available since the MK2 in Europe and has existed ever since (with the exception of the MK5 Golf).
in uk and ireland gtd is more popular than gti.. fuel consumption being main reason
Did not hear about the better alternative specially for the fuel consumption the Golf GTE and also regarding the fact that very soon all diesel engines will be dropped/banned world-wide.. ?!
@@poplaurentiu4148 Don't talk rot Crilly !
John Kembel ... What is your gibberish about ?
Pop Laurentiu 'soon' it's still not banned.
@@rude5801 Thats ma niga
Not a bad review, more about your personal opinion than a review on the GTD.
However, I feel you miss the point on the GTD V's GTI.
Consumers for a hot hatch will always look at petrol 1st, so petrol heads looking for frills will choose a GTI and not go for the GTD for the less power etc like you mention - but I get your sarcasm.
What makes GTD's sell in the UK is diesel buyers wanting a hot hatch will totally go for the GTD, not the GTI so they are getting fairly hot / resectable performance and excellent fuel economy compared to the GTI offering.
BTW I have the MK 7 DSG GTD and the R mk7.5 DSG, never had a problem with the steering wheel gear selector flaps, perhaps you've got pigs t1ts for fingers buddy?
Next review please try and cover more about the car, what it has, does good and badly etc, less about what you don't understand about it ;-)
Anyhow, all the very best.
AJ
Hello AJ, I am considering a manual GTD 2012 model because I like the design better on the mk6 than 7 and I wanna ask if you had any issues with the gearbox or waterpump whatsover while you drove the GTD all this time? Any issues whatsoever? Thank you in advance!
1:12 golf gti sound x)
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreat rrrrrrrrrrrrrrreview :)
Considering buying one and removing all the GTD badges for a clean aesthetic. Currently owning a Cross Polo 1.6 TDI
I had a mk 5 4wd gtd chipped it was probably the best car ive ever had. 4wd can handle the torque, vw need to make another one you can only buy a diesel estate with 4wd which just dosent look as good as the gtd.
Looks like a perfect daily driver with good fuel consumption perfect choice
stupid question, but that car has a mere 370km on the ODO? Tacking it around a race track, no running in these days I presume?
Great review Ciro.
..it's 3098km on the odo.. 370km is distance since the trip computer was last reset...
I love it
Lol. Ciro is quite hilarious though. You just get a grrrrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrrrrrr
I wish they would bring this state side.
I heard the dsg sound at 1:11 lol so I'm confused. But if you buy this car should be purely for comfort efficiency and enough power for everyday drive
Slightly confused, you said GTD and GTi have same torque (in the UK) the GTi has 350 Nm and the GTD has 380 Nm... The R has 380 Nm are you getting them mixed up? Or is it different where you are?
Colin Shapton cars that come down South are mostly detuned.
if you check the golf GTD has same 380 Nm like the golf R but the difference is the engine type GTD is a TDi common rail diesel from a 2.0L with 184 PS the Golf R is TSI petrol from a 2.0 L turbocharged enngine that produce 300 PS/296bhp..
so this GTD has risen from previously 350 Nm (258 lbs ft) to 380 Nm (280 lbs ft) available from just 1,750 rpm but can muster only 0-60 mps = 7,5 s and top speed 227 km/h but the GTD has lower consumption over the R because even though the engine is has the same size as GTD 2.0 L the Golf R’s engine has a modified cylinder head, exhaust valves, valve seats and springs, pistons, injection valves and larger intercooler and turbocharger. DSG equipped models also come with an auxiliary oil cooler on the passenger side.That means that the 0-60 mph time takes 5.1 seconds with manual gearbox (versus 5.7 seconds for previous Golf R), or 4.9 seconds with optional DSG gearbox. In 3rd-party testing, it has been recorded at 4.5 seconds using Launch Control available in Golf R. The top speed of Golf R is electronically limited to 155 miles per hour that is (249~250 km/h). Despite this increased performance, a "combined fuel consumption" of 39.8 miles per imperial gallon (7.10 L/100 km; 33.1 mpg‑US), and CO2 emissions of 165 g/km (159 g/km DSG) so the Nm are the same but the react and the different pulling of the car and consumption is the main different things that can be spotted and feel only after you drive both models Golf GTD vs Golf R.. i hope this will clear you out better ! ( ;_;)
Ohh.. i forgot to mention also the fact that the GTD has front drive (FWD) while the Golf R is (AWD)..
Pop... im sure Colin knows all of what you mention.... he was merely reffering to the torgue thats all.... lol.... Colin i assume they detune them slightly due to the heat and lower grade fuel.. etc
You obviously did not understand what the GTD is built for. Obviously, people looking for a GTI won't buy the GTD instead. But people looking for the standard 150HP Diesel Golf may like the extra power, the sportive look and all the extras that the GTD offers.
This car makes sense to a person who currently drives a bluemotion polo and wants a sportier upgrade..i doubt it will be bought as much as the Gti,partly because it doesnt fart.
Lokanje Loka a
I have one and i love it, but you certainly cant get a mountain bike in it , unless you are riding a kids size
The Golf GTD exists since 1982! So its not something VW made with the new Golf ;) Every golf had a GTI and a GTD :) So thats 35 Years of GTD :)
+Sean Dominko Hi Sean, thanks for the comment. This generation of the GTD is the first ever to be sold in our market, hence the commentary. Thanks for watching.
Did not know that, sorry!
The MK4 dont have a GTD. Think it was the only one that miss.
@@mc1996 i think it was branded as GT TDI but don't quote me on this
wow great car love it
Just remap it 😅
Brrrrrr 😆😆😆
GTD in Portugal has this factory option - exhaust cutouts
I love my GTD 7.5 !!!
Olá, desculpa perguntar mas em termos de custos de manutenção achas um carro caro?
Ever thought of people that might buy this car as a company car, which are 90% diesel?
False.. this NOT the only diesel golf you can buy in RSA
6.4 l/100, low? On a diesel? Get the BMW 125d instead.
Who would feel the difference between 6.4 and 7.4 sec to 100 kph ? And who wants to do that ? Who will take it to a track day ? Nobody without stopwatches and fancy electronic equipment will feel the difference in day to day driving. It makes perfect sense for 99.9% of drivers to go for the cheaper more economical vehicle.
gtd is the one here in uk you are beasty
Sometimes I wonder if any research is done on these vehicles before they allow Ciro to test them? The GTI and GTD have a limited slip diff that’s why it handles so well did he know this? Plus the only diesel comment? Not to mention in the other video his lack of knowledge on how to engage the launch control. I cringe....
I just don’t like desel engines, that black smoke farting at the back has always put me off. I suppose the day the desel engine does the Vrr Phaa i’d maybe consider buying one.
Irv. GI. I’ve got one and it doesn’t spit any black smoke even with a map, I hate the black smoke too
remap
grrrrr grrrrr grrrrrrrrr grrrrrrr, that's all? where is the thrilling exhaust pops?
new facelift GTD doesnt have sport sound???
Wait what? Since when does the GTD fart? 😮
A GTI and GTD are designed for different markets. Comparing this utterly pointless, tbh. We already know the difference
What is he moaning about. Ford has the focus st diesel. And if you think they are both lacking in power spend an extra £300 and have it super chipped
Rrrrrrrr 😂😂
Grrrrrr
Grrrrrrrr No Phaaaa, whattt, Noooooo :D :D
Rolivhuwa Muelelwa 😂🙈
Lol!
Grrrrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrrr grrr
Please stop testing hot hatches on tracks.
Please, let us know why?
asmaxxfz6 Very few hot hatches will ever see a track. Review them on back roads and what they are like to live with.
Depends where you live... in the uk most hot hatch owners do a few track days as they are cheaper here
Neo Kgatla GTD a hot hatch? Hehe...funy guy!
More a warm hatch
M Cunha exactly if gtd is a hot hatch the golf r is a supercar lol
Vrrrrrrrr paaa VS grrrr grrrr grrrr
yeah but if u buy it 2nd hand being gtd it probably wont have had the bollocks thrashed out if it where as most gtis are owned by bellends
This is true. I'm torn between mk7 gti and mk7 gtd for next car. Gti more expensive though but if I get gtd I fear I'll regret not getting gti 🤣🤣
@@FredericFreedom get the GTD then get a stage 1 remap Bhp will be roughly the same as the GTI but will have same torque as a golf R if not more plus you get amazing MPG if you don't floor it everywhere lol
@@eclectic_gamer that's a good point, was defo going to consider a stage 1 tune. My only concern is resell value especially with the anti diesel climate we find ourselves in.
@@eclectic_gamer do you have a gtd may I ask? If so how are you finding it?
@@FredericFreedom no not the GTD I have the 2.0 gt tdi same engine tuned down I had the stage 1 done a few months back and it completely changes the car I was the same though i agonised over if I should do it, I've had no issues at all theres literally no downside, and as for resale you can always have the car put back to stock if you are worried, or just not tell them when you sell it lol
Detesto gasóleo.
Cool and all still not a GTI
what you try to say ? the GTD is the diesel version of the petrol GTi.. but do not forget that is a hybrid too in this family the GTE (petrol +ev) which is the best choice for long term specially if we think at the dieselgate scandal and the diesel banning that will be soon world wide..
Vrrrrrrrrr phaa!!!! hahaaha
They have cars in Africa ? xD
jesus fucking christ why does it have to be only automatic available
Lol , grrrr grrrrr
Your videos are very good. I guess you have the same issue coldfusion channel had. His channel’s name was coldfustion and people use to misread it as coldfusion and due to this the channel got less followers. When the channel changed its name it got very famous. Your channel is a bit hard to share it with people. Cars.co.za it is too many dots. Maybe if you change it to cars.coza or something similar, it could get you attention. BTW love from India!! Keep up the good work..
Abhishek Bourai The channel feeds on their actual website cars.co.za that's a platform to sell new and used cars here in South Africa. I guess in the interest of not trying to lose their followers of the platform where they also do written car reviews, they thought best to keep the name.
Why tf is a gtd doing on a track smh
BMW
Completely missed the point of the GTD, quite frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about.