Is using birth control a sin?
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2018
- "Is using birth control a sin (specifically: condoms, diaphragms, family planning, hormonal implants, IUDs, RU-486, birth control pills, vasectomy, tubal ligation)?"
Dr. Kenneth Magnuson answers in Honest Answers | Episode 56
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Of course children are a gift but not every person is equipped to provide for a child mentally or financially. Many traumatized children learn beliefs that may protect them emotionally and physically as children and continue with distorted beliefs in adulthood. Not everyone should be parents.
In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again.
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world.zq11
@@a.39886 not true. Every person is responsible for their own salvation.
@@Christ_Is_Life10-10 can people be born by themselves
Then use self control. They’re reproductive organs not fun let me stick it in something cuz I have no self control organ
@@a.39886 Throughout all of human history the poorer of the society even more children they have. That goes for currently in America and throughout America's past
Summary: speaker is not totally wrong from a medical standpoint. But definitely does not give an accurate medical portrayal of IUD's and oral contraceptives.
As a current medical student studying the reproductive system, wanted to clear up some of the medical points in this video, so that we can pay attention to what this man has to say about the ethics behind birth control and not get so thrown off about the medical points. After all, he's an ethics professor, not a health care professional like he states.
1. He's making pretty broad claims about oral contraceptives and IUD's. Not totally right. But not totally wrong either. Here's what I mean. He states that IUD's work POST-conception. There's 2 types of IUD's: copper and hormonal. It is true that IUD's can impair implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus. HOWEVER. The main mechanism of action is actually prior conception. IUD's will lead to sperm toxicity and death (copper) or no ovulation aka no released egg for the sperm to fertilize (hormonal). Meaning the chances of getting a fertilized egg with an IUD already in place is almost impossible in the first place. The only scenario that would make sense is if the egg is fertilized and the mother chooses to get an IUD placed somehow hours/days afterwards. Sure then, an IUD would work post-conception.
2. Oral contraceptives are a similar case. The main type of oral contraceptives is a combination of estrogen/progesterone. Their main mechanism of action is to suppress hormones released from our brain (hypothalamus/pituitary gland) which then means no LH surge or ovulation. Which means no egg is released from the ovary. No egg. No fertilization. Sure there are certain types of oral contraceptives (progestin only) that will create an environment in the endometrium (womb) that less favors implantation. But progestin only oral contraceptives are not prescribed as much anymore. And progestin also works to thicken the cervical mucus, so that less sperm enters the uterus. So technically yes. If a woman is on a progestin-only contraceptive for some reason. And sperm happens to get pass the cervical mucus barrier and etc. It may work post-conception. But this is not the main mechanism and just wanted to highlight that for all you.
Thank you for posting this!
Thank you for taking the time to clarify.
Thanks for clarification, putting any kind of an object into wife's body seems brutal to me. Burden of birthing is already upon her, why not help her with other things and just be careful? Use condoms and just be careful with God given precious wife!! Christians ought to be taught these things, but I see so many Christians get triggered by discussions of birth control which is not helping anyone make right moral choices.
@@Vpy2023 I think it’s not christians but Catholics who are against birth control. Catholics believe that one must not perform sexual intercourse with any means of trying to prevent conception. Meaning each time they have sex, it has to be natural without contraceptives and depending on whether an egg is available, one might or might not get pregnant. I personally feel that God gave us brains to make decisions and we ought to have sex in a responsible way. If we are really not ready for kids, we should not try to have kids. It does not mean that we don’t have sex with our spouse, but maybe use a condom to prevent an unwanted pregnancy so that we can continue to give pleasure to our spouse and enjoy God’s gift of us in our marriage. Because sex is not just for procreation, it is also for us to enjoy with our spouse. Of course if we use condoms and still get pregnant, it just means that it is God’s desire for us to have that child and we should just go on to have that child. Under normal circumstances, we should always enjoy God’s gift of sex in a responsible manner.
Childbirth goes from $10k-25k depending on the state. I'll leave that
In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again.
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2.....
There was no scripture provided. Please make sure the answers are backed by scripture.
1 corithians 6:9-11
@@thewakandanpanda1324 great scripture but how are you attributing this to birth control…? Are you saying birth control leads to sexual immorality?
Actually, he referenced Psalm 127:3 multiple times. “Behold, children are a gift of the Lord, The fruit of the womb is a reward.”
Psalms 127:3
Scripture never says that everything must be backed by scripture. Scripture is not the sole authority and does not claim to be-this is a 505 year old perspective invented by one man. Contraception is a sin. It’s disordered against nature, plays God & violates the natural law. The Fruit of the Reformation is rotten. Christians are to have no part in contraception. NFP only, 97% effective. The Unitive & Procreative are inseparable because God made it that way. Contraception is a by product of Modernism.
@@trevorsrq6179 Yes. Sola scriptura is not biblical.
I appreciate that you at least distinguish different types of birth control and reasons for it. I'm a single, celibate young woman taking an oral pill that prevents ovulation solely to prevent ovarian cysts. After having surgery to remove an extremely large (over 12cm) cyst (performed by an oncologist due to concerns on the ultrasound). The oncologist then checked me again a few months later to see if I was developing more cysts (which I was, despite remaining on the pill). The dr told me that each time I have a cyst rupture it forms more scar tissue on the ovaries, which impairs fertility. So along with not wanting more extremely painful ruptured cysts, and the possibility of needing more surgical removals, if I ever want to have children once I marry, I need to stay on the birth control until I'm ready to try for children. I'd happily castrate (without anesthesia) any man who tells me my birth control is a) not medically necessary (oncologist told me "if the cyst ruptures before I can surgically remove it the infection will kill you in about a week. But don't worry about the pain. You'd be unconscious from the pain within minutes and we'd just keep you comatose afterwards. It's really the only way to control that much pain." or b) a sin. My birth control is the only thing preserving my fertility.
Then there's my mother who required a hysterectomy in her 30's. After me (baby #4) she had a few very bloody miscarriages (admitted to the hospital after each one. 6 years after me, she was finaly able to conceive #5 that lived, but had complications (affecting only her, not the baby) the drs wanted to do a hysterectomy immediately after the birth even though lil sis slid out without even a proper push and was caught midair because they weren't quite ready. My mom objected to the hysterectomy saying she wanted at least one more, so they told her she better get busy as soon as she was healed, and 2 years later #6 was born (almost 11 lbs. with half a push) then they wanted her to heal before the hysterectomy, plus she didn't want to jeopardize nursing. But by then she was extremely anemic. Even with birth control (not nearly as good as some kinds now) she'd bleed for 3 weeks and be lucky to get a week off (while nursing and on strong oral pills). Four months after baby sis was born they decided to operate (left her ovaries tho) and took her months to recover because she was so anemic but also low on blood from the past 3 years (including 2 very hard pregnancies). What pisses me off to this day were that many of the "good Christian" women from church refused to help with her 5 children (thankfully the older kids could help lots), housework, caring for an infant and toddler while we were at school, and her recovery from surgery because it was a "sin". Eventually my 2 grandmothers each spent 2 months living with us to help with everything. So much for the "church family" helping.
It is judgemental "Christians" like this who give true Christans a bad name and drive others away from Christ. Frankly, it's really just none of your business to judge if someone is worthy of assistance, and you need to just help those who need it if you are able to do so. Mind your own business, err on the side of helping, and let God sort out the rest. God won't punish someone who helps where it might not actually be needed, but you will be judged for refusing to help those who you could and should have helped.
As a guy I totally agree with your stand ✂️so as to protect your own life. After what my mother went through I took “measures” trying to protect my wife’s life after the birth of our son and her not recovering even after a year, it wasn’t until afterwards we found out we were dealing with her narcissistic family bent on our destruction. To this day I’ve never regretted my decision to stop at one child only that we couldn’t reverse the damage from her parents doing sexual trauma to her while growing up and then regain her health back.
What about a woman's health?
This is actually answered straight from scripture. Read 1 Corinthians 7:1-40. Sex is not for only having children. God understands we have desires so that's why having sex only in a marriage is not sinful at all no matter the purpose. you are definitely miss understanding. There is freedom in God under His word. Sexual pleasure is not sinful between wife and hatband. God never says we NEED children. Just like he says we don't NEED a wife or husband. He gives us that to actually avoid our sinful ways. He gives us a way to have sex and honor Him at the same time. That's what marriage is.
Through the guidance of the Holy Spirit within you, you will discern what is right and wrong. While the scriptures do not explicitly state whether sexual intimacy outside of procreation is good or bad, they emphasize the importance of self-control. If we struggle with self-control, it is better to be married to one partner and to express our love for them through the act of sex (only for procreation) while supporting each other in our journey towards the Lord God.
Bible also says you can own and beat slaves so long as they don’t die within a few days.
Exodus 21:20
It's actually less complicated than you think
When we anachronistically read early American chattel slavery into the Bible we are doing violence to the Text
The writers of the Torah, along with the NT authors, would NOT have understand the word slave (doulos) as referring to a kidnapped person performing forced labor. This is because the punishment for "man stealing" was death. By biblical standards, the slavers in the south who owned Africans that had been kidnapped would have been sentenced to capital punishment.
There are only three circumstances in which slavery was lawfully performed:
1.) Wsomeone could not pay a debt they had incurred and needed to pay it back
2.) When someone could not provide for themself and subjected themself to slave labor as a means of employment
3.) When prisoners of war from opposing armies were captured.
@@jacobschiestel4746 Thanks for backing Slavery up, your about as scummy as the evil Bible is. Guess your also cool with stoning unruly kids to death too (Deuteronomy 21-18-21).
So again, actually buy biblical standard anybody who owned a slave in America should have been sentenced to death. Concluding that the Bible did not condone slavery as we know it today.
That does not mean that the Bible was not Weaponized so colonizers could justify their actions, but you cannot say the Bible supported that. That was man going outside biblical context doing their own thing.
You can always tell if someone gets a paycheck in their organization or not by how timid they are to give a direct answer.
This really helped me weigh the different options and perspectives to have around birth control for when I'm married someday. It's my first time thinking through this and this helped me think of this for the first time so thank you
Abstaining is 100% effective for birth control. It does not allow for any control from God. Is that sin? I think we get too caught up in the act of sex itself and should leave those decisions well in the hands of the couple. It is nobody’s business but theirs.
Mary abstained. God controlled that situation.
@@teejaybee9 Well said.
@@teejaybee9 I love this response
This is a great point
The video is not talking about sex. It is talking about female contraceptives and the Christian faith.
Question: does doctors give how they actually work? How como there is a chance of getting pregnant?
What about using birth control just to manage life, women are expected to work and be themselves 24/7, what does the bible say about using it to help balance hormones?
The Bible doesn't say anything about this. This is part of the reason why Jesus established the Catholic Church to be able to authoritatively teach on morals throughout the ages. I'd suggest reading Humanae Vitae which explains The Church's stance on contraception! :)
@@peytonsmith8256 Jesus establishes the Catholic Church? Maybe you should watch John MacArthur’s sermon on why Catholicism is not true Christianity
@@radiancemussington9131 Or watch any number of videos that point out that Catholicism is the one true religion. ; )
it's not really our business
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What about people who take birth control to treat medical issues such as cramps and mood swings?
You mean natural happenings in a woman's cycle?
@@RuthEdelstein I have had an injury that involved getting my skin ripped open deeply an inch and a half or 2 inches wide. It very close if not to the bone. I couldn't see the tissue that well due to the blood but I figured it could not be that bad cause period cramps hurt worse. I got 10 stiches the next day when I realized I could see things I was not supposed to be able to see. I am on the pill and am almost fully functional during my period now. So when you are laying there praying to God for mercy from the pain in your stomach, then you can voice your opinions on birth control.
There’s women who have ignored appendicitis to the point of it being life-threatening, because it hurt LESS than their period does every month…
We always hear "children r a gift from God", if it is why we have to prevent it somehow. Imagine that what will happen in this world if there is no any birth controls at all. Maybe God has given humanity to have a wisdom about medical and scince bcz for helping us to live our life better from sins and His curse. We need to specify it good or bad as good is not sin, but bad is sin totally.
Well said
Deciding not to have sex is not a sin and is a form of birth control
Interesting that so few people choose that one.
¿Why? @@hotice8885.
Our physical beings are created with a desire for sex.
This is a completely unrelated desire to the desire for offspring.
Hence, people can desire sex without desiring offspring.
For that matter, it's possible to desire offspring without desiring sex.
¿Is that such a complex idea that you can't comprehend it?
@@peterblock6964 --As I look at this original post, and as I look at your comment (question to me), it doesn't seem like my understanding is the one that is off track, here.
@@hotice8885 It should be obvious why so few people choose the option of not having sex.
I am 54 and my husband is 65. I got pregnant 2 years ago but miscarried ( we were relieved). After, we both decided that while I am still fertile, we wouldn't have sex since we are too old for more children. We are quite happy with each other even without it.
Is it a sin not to trust God?
There was a time in church history when believing husbands and wives did not have the option of modern birth control methods , and they either obstained or simply trusted God with the outcome; or they knew something of the ovulation cycle and when pregnancy might or might not occur.
"But now we have 'modern' methods of determining the outcome, who nees to trust God implicity as a child in this matter. We have the answer now and so we will determine our own future."
The Bible is plain: It is God who gives the increase; it is God who said multiply and fill the earth; it is God who opens the womb and closes the womb.
The Scripture says to cast our cares upon the Lord; to cast our own souls upon the Lord. The Scripture says that the body (whether man or woman) is for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. We are told as believers to trust in the Lord with ALL your heart and lean not to your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him adn he will direct your paths - Prov 3;5, 6
Why is that now - apparently, too hard to do with respect to having or not having children?
In whom or what do we really trust with our bodies?
Ian McDonald He works thru means; birth control is one of those means. And unlike abortion, it's not murder
Ethan G
the Bible doesn't speak about 'birth control' as we are accustomed to today. I understand your words. All I am saying is that God wants us to trust Him with everything, and that includes our bodies, and that blessedness of marriage and procreation. There is a much greater joy in trusting God even in marriage and leaving to Him an outcome. He can open a womb and He can close a womb. It is God who gives the increase.
If husbands and wives want to use the devices of men, that is their business. There is a perfectly natural way for birth control, two actually , one is abstinence - but that is not a good idea for a prolonged time.
The other way is what was called the Rythm method based on the ovulation cycle. This way neither the husband or his wife is being subjected to 'mechanical devices or unnatural pharmaceutical concotions which are foreign to the body and can change the wifes body over time.
People are free to choose to do or not to do what they want.
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you will not always have that opinion friend :) :)
One day God will opne your eyes - yes, the one you deny.
You are right about the "Catholic" church - it IS all about money and poitical power. It is a religious system, but not one that is truly centered on Jesus Christ - except in name only.
And tragically many protestant denominations across the board are also about money and political power; and what is more, many protestant - Christian denominations are being seduced to return to the Ruthless arms of the Roman Catholic system. Rome calls it Ecumenism.
I would only urge you to simply call upon the name of Jesus Christ.
He was not a money hungry, political entrepeneur. He truly does care about your person - spirit, soul and body.
Yes, 16 years lost. But Jesus can redeem those years for you if your will trust Him with all your heart.
Jesus can turn wasted years into a fruitful life, one in which we can be at rest in our souls - and be satsified with Him, and one in which He can help us to truly help others in His name.
I will pray for you.
You may have wasted 16 years in the 'catholic' faith; I wasted 53 years of TV watching. But God has been merciful to me and very patient, and has given me a clean conscience before Him. I love Him who gave Himself for me.
Acts 2:38
In Genesis 9 where God says to, ". . . multiply and fill the earth.," he was speaking specifically to Noah and his sons, not all of us.
And if you aren't actually using it for contraception? What then? I use the birth control pill to regulate my periods. It also helps with acne and weight loss.
Do they really help with weight loss? I know some make someone more hungry.
Never use it. Consider the true reason you are using it. Is it simply a vanity. Best way to control weight is to practice self control, what the apostles call "doing violence" to the flesh. Eat less and be more active. Some people are genetically overweight, which can't be prevented. Still, physical activity is good for your body soul and mind. Most all drugs are unnatural and BAD for the body. Also, you don't know how this may affect your future fertility if you are married and DO procreate in the future. They will not admit it, but birth control and lack of physical activity and sunshine is linked to many cancers, especially breast and ovarian, which is why cancer is so prevalent today.
I don't see that you're hurting anything by using it for those purposes. God never said to not use birth control for medicinal purposes.
@@doriswhite1348 The use of birth control is linked to several hormonal disorders which affects a persons sensitivity to all kinds of cancers among other things. Generally, if GOD did not create it, you shouldn't put it in your body.
@@stephanieburton9074 I"m not advocating it; just saying certain things prevent pregnancy. What diseases do IUD's cause? Men's birth control ("rubbers")?
No mention of natural law or the history of christian churches' stance on artificial contraception and why they took that stance. Confused thinking on display here.
Very much appreciate this “honest answer” from a truth/biblical perspective. For me this presentation is clear and to the point. I am a married evangelical woman who attended public school and received sex education there. When I couple what I was taught about oral contraceptive in sex ed with this simple dividing line between before and after fertilization I find the answer I was seeking. Thank you for these helpful videos Southern Seminary.
Please elaborate on the iud. It is my understanding that the copper acts as a spermicide. This would mean that fertilization actually does not occur. I would love to be sure though.
I think you're right. I know that the inflammatory reaction and changes to mucus in that area are two of the main points of the copper IUD. And hormonal forms of birth control work by preventing ovulation. So I'd also like to hear more about how preventing the egg from coming down to be fertilized in the first place is an abortion.
Go to Pulse life advocates Why the IUD is an abor on Google. You will see why some contraception are actually abor embryology has shown.
The best contraception that prevents a possible fertilized egg from being destroyed are condoms and spermicide. Sterilization is also good if you are too old or have had enough children.
An egg is "destroyed" by the female's body every month unless a woman becomes pregnant. Egg and sperm are basically the same thing, although the egg has some other cellular contributions. You seem to be fine with throwing away an entire condom full of millions of sperm cells but overly concerned with one egg. It makes no sense.
@@nicholasflamel1134 "fertilized egg" is the key. She didn't say an egg, she said a possibly fertilized egg. How about properly reading a comment before giving someone an attitude.
Is there ANY UNsinful way to actually have healthy sex with your married partner without having kids? Or is Sex only for recreating? And should be done according to how many kids you plan on having? So if you plan on having 2 kids that means you can only have sex 2 times in your married lifetime?! Then become abstinence?? I'm so confused.
Madam. Adams look up NFP. It’s 99% effective if practiced correctly. It works naturally how God created women’s bodies.
There do exist people in the world, my parents, for example, who never use birth control, yet dont all have 40+ kids. My parents have been married over 40 years now and they only produced 5 children. At 45, my mom started menopause. GOD chooses how much you can bare and wont give you more than that. My gramma, my mothers mother, she birthed 9 children and her mom...19! Trust God. He knows.
Well the thing is , God created us to be fruitful and multiply yes , but he also created us to satisfy our partner. Read 1 Corinthians verses 3-5. God is not a mean God , why else did he create us to have a sex drive? If I yearned to satisfy my husband sexually yet I could not afford a kid would I obstain? Or would I have like 58 kids because of how many times I was turned on ? You see , it all depends on your intentions as to why you are preventing the kid. I truly believe it all depends on you are your husbands circumstances.
@Swovon keeping your legs closed and your reproductive organs to yourself until marriage is the most effective form of birth control and you will never get stds. Duh
@Bruh Commenter If they choose to honor the flesh rather than God, then of course they can if they want to. We all have free will. It is still sin.
I think the whole point is it becomes a sin if it allows for life to be rejected, but it's not necessarily a sin to prevent fertilization?
No. To create offspring without the intention and desire to create offspring is the real sin.
Thank you for sharing this perspective. I think a more balanced and nuanced conversation is needed for such a topic. For example, the songs of Solomon highlights that sex is pleasurable and should be enjoyed within a marriage covenant. So sex within marriage isn’t only for procreation. Also, when you discussed your personal use of conception, it would be nice to hear your wife’s perspective and how she felt finding out she was pregnant shortly after.
In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again.
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2
@@a.39886 yo, quit spammin'
@@invictagecko9606 do you feel threaten by this?
Would he get to the point.
I see no practical difference between birth control and "natural family planning" or abstinence. If you are trying to avoid having 17 children, then you're applying birth control in one way or another.
The difference is that hormonal birth controls are abortifacient--they terminate pregnancy in its very early stages after the egg is already fertilized, which is the point when life starts. Such birth control methods include the morning after pill (plan B), IUDs, daily birth control pills, etc. (although the last 2 aim to prevent ovulation, ovulation can still occur and if an egg is fertilized, it will not implant into the uterine lining but will miscarry as a direct result of the womans choice to take this medication, i.e. an abortion). These birth control methods are sinful because they involve killing a human child after conception. Non-hormonal birth control methods, such as condoms, pulling out, vasectomy, etc., are not inherently sinful because they prevent the conception from ever taking place, and thus they shed no blood. These methods can be acceptable for Christian couples who want to pace the birth of their children, or feel that they are done having children.
No natural family planning is different because with natural family planning a woman observes her cycle and chooses to abstain from having sex during her fertile days. A woman can only get pregnant a couple of days during the month. So if she is not able to accept the responsibility that comes with having sex (with good reason and not just for selfish purposes) she chooses not to engage in it. It's the responsible thing to do. Abstinence is not wrong that would be the same as saying priests and nuns are sinning and preventing pregnancies from taking place by not having sex. With artificial birth control a woman also can not or does not want the responsibility which comes with having sex but she wants to continue having sex during her fertile period because she still wants the pleasure of sex without any sacrifice or responsibility that comes with it. It's the irresponsible thing to do. Think of it in this way if you want good grades you can either put in the hard work, practice self discipline and study or you can cheat. Both produce the same results but the methods used are different, the one being moral and the other immoral.
@@ninjakn3628 God is also not pleased with condoms and pulling out because of how it spills and wastes seed (Genesis 38:9-10) Seed is sacred. Sperm was not meant to go into a condom, napkin, hand, swallowed, spilled onto the floor or wasted but into the vagina so it can bear fruit and bring forth the next generation. Vasectomy could be acceptable given the circumstance for example if it's done to stop cancer from spreading but if it's just done because you don't want anymore children it's also not right. The only acceptable form of birth control is natural family planning where a woman observes her cycle and abstains from having sex on her fertile days. There are only a couple of days a month during which a woman can get pregnant. So she can still have sex on her infertile days but you should not be engaging in sex, during fertile days, if you are not able to accept the responsibility that comes with having it- Also should add that natural family planning should be used prayerfully and with reason and not for selfish purposes.
@@robinj4184 Some cycles are irregular, some are too short that even having sex during a period can lead to pregnancy. Thus "natural birth control method" is just a myth.
@@user-to3cf7nu4gFor many the l natural method work for others it don’t it depends
Thank you. Gained a lot from this😊❤
This didn’t answer anything really. I don’t think the Catholic Church differentiates between the method of contraception. It’s all a mortal sin, and if you die in a state of mortal sin, you go to hell. Right? So what do I do? Tell my husband we are never having sex again until I’m passed menopause? Because I can’t mentally or physically or financially have any more kids.
Asking the real questiong
@H0ll0ws.0f.The.V0id
Can you biblically justify the idea of contraception distinctions
He said the answer at the tail end. Birth control is a sin after conception not before.
@_jillkay I would encourage you to look into Christopher West and The Theology of the Body. It has helped answer many of my questions.
NFP is acceptable to the church.
totally agree with you on the mentality of our culture being anti life, but there is no difference between artificial contraception that is barrier or hormonal - both prevent the married couple from becoming a total gift to one another which is the covenantal sign of marriage - become one flesh - be fruitful and multiply. Sex is always about the possibility of life b/c that what love brings forth. NFP is not contraception - it is always open to the possibility of life!
As a christian. Preventing pregnancy is not a sin. But terminating it is a sin. The lord said be fruitful and multiply he didn't say be fruitful and multiply mindlessly or stupidly. If a married couple do no have the financial capacity to take care of more than 2 children, the wisest thing is to prevent their conception. Unless you want to tell me that they should stop having sex completely
i agree
Preventing pregnancy is a mortal sin that will send one to hell; just look at the story of Onan.
@@christsavesreadromans1096 Is this true?
@@PatientPerspective It is, look at the catholic teaching on birth control
@@christsavesreadromans1096 In the end he says it's a sin after birth control. He have meant the term medical abortion. I've never heard birth control after. Its purpose is to prevent pregnancy not end it.
After giving a lecture on the various methods of birth control until about 6:45, he finally starts heading toward giving the answer... but doesn't give a clear answer to the question until the end. : (
This is so that he may explain how he drew his conclusion. It is important that we are shown the evidence, we should not believe all we are told with nothing to back it.
His conception of hormonal birth control is inaccurate.
Most hormonal birth control does not allow for fertilization in the first place because it prevents the release of an egg.
I was put on birth control pill when I was eleven years old, because if I hadn't been big cysts would burst on my ovaries, causing me to have surgery, and I would have a very high risk of ovarian cancer
In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again.
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2,,
Psalm 127
Would someone hate on me for having an implanon?
If it’s so one does not get pregnant then don’t get it Go to Pulse life advocates Why the IUD is an abor on Google. You will see why some contraception are actually abor embryology has shown.
There is no experimental way to determine if coitus has lead to fertilization without removing the egg/zygote from the fallopian tube/uterus and examining it under a microscope. Consequently there is no way to determine if any contraceptive prevents implantation and/or fertilization. Therefore if someone says that any contraceptive is an "abortifacient" they're engaging in speculation and basing their opinion on ideology and not science.
Stop messing with birth control. Start practicing self-control, which is a fruit of the Holy Spirit and is thus pleasing to God.
We don’t need to learn self control if it’s just one condom because we know if is not the time to do it but you know who doesn’t It’s Quagmire
Stop comparing us to quagmire
This assumes all sex is about loss of control in bed. The better way to phrase it is discernment. Sex, like eating, and walking, is action. You can control when and who you have sex with, what you eat, where you walk and wise to do so. A lot of murderers have self control. That doesnt mean their discernment criteria of right and wrong behavior is sound.
@@PatientPerspective I didn’t think about it like that
A small amount is not bad but too much is an addiction
I'm glad a Protestant discusses the issue of birth control. But, interestingly, he did not answer the question, "is it a sin?". This is a prime example of why Protestants don't have any teaching. They cannot teach. They don't have the authoriry to teach. He admits that birth control is not good because of the word control itself. Then he goes on to justify that it is not really bad, not a sin if, A big IF, it only prevents conception or if it does not cause abortion. Thanks to the Catholic Church, she teaches. She teaches that contraception is wrong.
Domingo Melchor The Catholic Church teaches many things that are not supported by the Bible whatsoever. So what exactly is your point?
And Protestants don’t have any teachings?! Protestant Christians teach the BIBLE which is the Word of God, not what a mere mortal, wearing fancy robes and living in an extravagant palace in Italy says.
However, if you were actually listening to the video you would’ve gathered that it is not a simple yes or no answer to the topic at hand. Out of the two forms of birth control, the one that aborts a pregnancy is wrong because it is ending a life already begun. So that would be considered a sin but not necessarily the other forms of birth control. Also, the presenter was speaking to the motive of the couples wanting to use contraception as well. Are there health reasons involved, is the couple needing time in between children, etc.
Not everything in the Bible is as cut and dry as the 10 commandments (the 4th of which you as a Catholic don’t actually observe, which is a sin). Other topics are based on principals, like modesty, worship music, etc. Principals give guidelines which leave room for different perspectives within said guidelines. Thus you’ll have different interpretations of these principals. Like modesty for instance: Some women believe that modesty means wearing dresses down to the ankle while other ladies will wear dresses to the knee. Neither are bad or contradictory to scripture. Just different. I believe the same goes for contraception (accept in the case of abortion, which is murder).
There are many things the catholic church teach that contradict the Bible, would you like me to give an example?
How about a DEBATE on this topic? It could be: "Is Contraception Sinful?"
Would have been nice to at least hear the argument for total avoidance of any contraception, as there are many who believe this (I am not one of them).
My husband believe this because it doesn't make sense. If you trust God, he says he is the one that forms a child in the womb, so how do you trust God by wanting to prevent any child he chooses to come through you?? People act like children are just born Willy nilly without God being involved when he is the orchestrator so it makes no sense.
I struggle with this heavily. I have five children. I’m broke lol. I trust the Lord, but my wife has had 5 c sections. So they said it’s dangerous for her to have more children. I haven’t taken any permanent steps yet but she’s my priority
@@ASmith-jn7kf You have to get a little deeper into theology. God is Sovereign over all, but that does not preclude man's responsibility. We are also commanded to be good stewards of all that God gives. A couple who are unable to support children need to steward what they have, not become dependent on welfare, etc.
@@Mpw1776 Unless you can point to a command in scripture that says you should not use contraception, or that you should have a specified number of children, then you are free to make the best stewardship decisions for your family.
100 years ago, all denominations almost unequivocally were against all forms of birth control. What changed? Are we following the culture on this?
Birth control is a very valid question in highly populous countries like India and China. And, generally speaking, we already are overpopulated across the globe.
@T M in GODS ARMY!
Well, the culture got rid of things like slavery, although the bible is still perfectly ok with it. I would say culture got it right on several new developments like that.
Thank God for Margaret Sanger who lead the birth control movement in 1921, because birth control was considered illegal back then.
@@missaleromanum5614 if everyone has to subsist and needs to be left to the vagaries of nature and disease, then yes, we are not overpopulated. But if we want industrialization which brings access to important things like medicine, food distribution, clothing which requires a well developed transportation system which again requires industrial scale of energy prodution, we are definitely overpopulated!! When God gave us technology, he also gave us birth control, why do we have to blame the devil for everything?? Don't we have our own God given free will and heads to use? There are birth control methods that don't involve killing the embryo which can be used for sure, which is again possible only if there is large scale industrialization.
I hate how bc makes me feel anyway
Why watch the video if you’re just going to leave hateful comments? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but he is simply providing insight on the situation for those dealing with this circumstance. If it’s not helpful to you then move on
I was taught in the one true traditional catholic church that using birth control was a sin and even stopping the flow of the sperm was sin. probably in otherwords if you cant have kids or too many use natural family planning method. as well as some of us already know that having sex outside marriage and not with your one spouse is a sin too.
The church won't accept birth control but won't punish priest sex abuse? Thats consistent
The Catholic Church is gravely flawed
There are reasons for family planning?", "Can I afford to have children?", "Is it something I want?" "Is it the right time?" "How many can I afford?" and these are logical questions that couples should asked them selves and you really do not have to have children to complete a marriage. There are economic reason to have children and there are economic reason not to have children. Children are a major responsibility and can be an economic stress. It should not be a religious obligation to procreate for the lord, that is between the married couple only.
@Biblisk Kristendom I agree, anxiety and fear shows a lack of trust in God. Which is something we all face.
And the first commandment God gave Adam and Eve, was to be fruitful and multiply
@@infinitenature703,
¿Just what about Patrick Saxon's comment shows anxiety and fear?
I see common sense.
Apparently that's something commonly lacking amongst religious types.
God didn't write those words, @its yeshua not jesus so get over it, humans did.
Use your brain.
I didn't see birth contrôle in the commandement...
Doesn’t have to be. Read the rest of the Bible
@@MangoLemonaideFresh Yes it does, the Bible don’t say shit about abortion. But it does say you can own and beat slaves so long as they don’t die within a few days (Exodus 21:20). Stone kids to death (Deuteronomy 21:18:21). Also women are not permitted to teach or assuming authority over a man and must be submissive (1 Timothy 2:12). Pretty immoral God.
Generally I really like the videos from this channel and learn a lot, there was a lot of information that was genuinely just wrong in this even if the lesson good or bad😕
What was wrong? If your wondering about the IUD thing then Go to Pulse life advocates Why the IUD is an abor on Google. You will see why some contraception are actually abor embryology has shown.
i feel this is actually true, it becomes a tradition in the world. Children is a blessing even in the animal world. its our normal nature. some people want to have childrens but they cannot. think about it guys.
the world already has too many children who are dying and cant even have food. How about promoting adoption. It will also save the environment from global warming
Tom Rodriguez, so what does Luke 23:29 means to you?
Sometimes animals eat their young, are you really using animals an an example here??
@@aslater5 Animals who eat their kids are just having a mental moment, you should not consider their actions as the norm.
@@user-to3cf7nu4gok then you could say that animals that have offspring are just having a mental moment and maybe don’t want to have kids
Some women need hormonal birth control to manage medical conditions such as endometriosis and PCOS. There is nothing wrong with that. Men have no idea what women go through. Children ARE a blessing, but scar tissue, heavy bleeding and debilitating cramps are not.
Maybe if actual funding and research were alotted to Endo and PCOS, things would be different. Barely a penny compared to the multibillion dollar Birth Control industrial complex…And if women spent less time and money on cosmetics and selfies, and actually advocated for ourselves and each other…Satan hates the womb. It was through the womb God entered the world as a human being to redeem the human race.
How many women with this problem uses these methods and how many without even having the chance of having these problems are using them contraceptive methods?
@@EphesianRose Also literal Billons an Billons an Billions are given to the abortion industry. If we used that money for other stuff this world could be a better place. Find healthy cures for reproductive/hormonal problems. Fix the foster care system an adoption more easy.
This person is NOT a medic.
Well what were you expecting? His a Christian smf
You are to the point in your considerations. Thank you.
What kind of persun well call it unbelievers
That was interesting. He actually sounded reasonable. I'm not a female so I won't make any definite statements. God bless.
But you are a human who was once carried in a mothers womb. You can make a statement too.
@@sarahs7253 True. I try to generate the positive in everyone.
@@RoLPeace what is the positive you are generating? i believe a man should have a say also. and you definatly can make a definitely statement about your beliefs, even if its contrary to someone elses beliefs.
Is pulling out a Sin?
Genesis 38:8-10
@@Make_Australia_British_Again In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again.
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...27
Yes for sure
Thank you for this!
So is it a sin or not?
Edit: I was doing this for my a.p subject (social studies). It was part of the question, I had to choose between natural law or perspective positive/human right🗿
yes.
@@RuthEdelstein how
its obviously a sin
@@honeypie1337 bro you deny your nature that god gave you and you dont let God give you children. Also you are having sex for pleasure and not for children xD
@@mpalos14 Not everyone is deriving to have children; it takes a lot of work and time to raise a child and not everyone has that mindset. Two "nature" also cause PMS in some women, and doctors treat PMS with contraception, also known as birth control. Some couples are not ready to be parents until they are stable in their lives, and that can be in their 20s, 30s, or maybe even their 40s. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with using a contraceptive for health purposes or simply not being ready for parenthood
1:14 - 1:18 "We should never have complete control over the process of procreation." Why? People are supposed to have children they don't want and / or can't afford? How cruel. Children who are planned on are not the ones who are abused. . . . Genesis 9: "1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons and told them, 'Be fruitful and multiply.' " God was specifically speaking to Noah and his sons, not me, not you, not any religious figureheads.
Sexual relations are for Procreation, not for recreation. That is God's design. If you don't want children, then stay single and don't have sexual relationships.
I'm with you. I'm not sure he has a great theological argument. It's not just Noah though, it's in Gen 1 as well. But I would say that it was for the Jews in general because that was how they would thrive. Conversation becomes easy and faith based I do however disagree with abortion.
@@cynthiax56 My first point would be that it could be about both, fun and procreation. But I think "Becoming one flesh" is what it's for. We're not to withhold and the bible says it's not good for man to be alone.
@@BoringDad88 I'm also against abortion.
Cynthia X But the thing is , when a married couple becomes one , God says not to withhold sex from either partner ,unless they need to pray. And also not to withhold it so the man or woman does not get tempted to sin. God did not just create sex to make babies but also for a husband and wife to pleasure each other.
Umm…some women uses birth control as a method to have regular periods, clear skin and keep hormones in check. Try having your period once every 4-6 months and passing out several times due to pain and blood loss.
It's not the birth control itself, it's the purpose. Prevent pregnancy and used for other medical conditions is fine (no child involved). After conception it is not.
Reading the posts, birth control is not just about another form of abortion (equating the two as the only reason when to consider birth control as sinful) - in cases where embryos are destroyed. Prefertilization (preventative fertilization) birth control is sinful for other reasons not related to abortion, too; that is, using sex for an end other than its Godly ordained purpose (bodily, physical pleasure - which is only a means to the real end) - the intent of having children or at least to be open to new life through sex, whether or not that ever comes about.
What about birth control for cramps or acne ? Are they a sin too ?
~sarcasm~
They aren’t a sin if used for that. Because God knows that you are using it for that reason.
Sooooo many safe options for cramps and acne compared to taking drugs that DO MESS UP your own natural hormones and DO raise the risk of developing certain cancers (proven statistically to raise breast cancer risk by nearly 25%)!
Pharmaceutical birth control drugs actually ALTER your body's hormones, when are people going to understand that it is extremely harmful and leads to so many cancers and issues in the future??? As King Soloman said, my people perish from lack of knowledge! And to this day people are suffering needlessly from lack of KNOWLEDGE.
LOOK AT ALL THE MEN WHO THINK THEY KNOW SHIT ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL!
You're all a joke.
@@TheCelticTrio Would that be the god that created cramps and acne?
Simple question. Lots of tap dancing. No answer.
That is because old books of myths and legends have no real answers for today's questions...
It's a very complicated question with many different angles and it's not easy to answer in a short time, but he did a great job answering many questions that I had, but not all of them.
Is it really a simple question, or is it a question we are _pretending_ is simple?
If you follow the evidence instead of leading the evidence. Its not even a question because you have to presuppose sin is something real. If murder is a sin then we dont even need a judicial system because it will all wash out after a person or pre-fetus is dead. But hey, as long as someone accepts god into their heart you can do anything and get past Peter guarding the gate. Dahmer dancing in heaven. It's not wise to subscribe to that belief if anyone cares about truth. And hey, if your kid dies of cancer, it was all part of God's plan too.
@@hotice8885 nah. It's simple if you don't have presuppositions.
4:06
This was all very well thought out and lands very softly more liberal than the Catholic perspective, which I consider also well thought out.
It follows the rules,
"Go forth and multiply" Save the child should it concept.
"Do not Murder" "The Meek shall Inherit..." thus protect the meekest of human lifeforms.
While maintaining the freedom of a loving couple of the lesser sacriment of nonprocreative sex, as would traditional family planning, but with less risk.
listen to infant annihilator
Very relevant considerations believers need to go over with their spouse. Thanks for the vid
I'm still looking for a Bible verse that would say it is wrong or not
Whatever the Bible doesn't prohibit, it permits. Even the Bible is clear on this in 1 Cor 6:12 "Everything is permissible to me, but not all things edify." It's also worth noting that the ancient Greco-roman world had effective chemical birth control in the form of a now-extinct plant called Silphium, yet Scripture saw fit not to even mention the topic.
you will not find one because is not. i wrote a comment on this abortion thing.
@@Nukepositive the story of onan is about contraception being a sin.
@@larryharbison9093 - not its not. Onan's sin was in not providing a child for his brother
@@Jagshemasher that was a sin, you’re correct, but usually they were only shamed in public for that, God slayed Onan. It’s an important detail that he withdrew because the act was used for pleasure since he attempted to take away the procreative aspect of it.
"How dreadful it Will Be..."
There are other considerations. Esp those women with medical conditions like PCOS.
THANK YOU 😊 I have endometriosis so take bc
please comment on married couples having sex but don't want children
It doesn't matter if a married couple doesn't want children - according to Christianity. They must have them, and if they don't, they're just "selfish."
@@Hindutvaiscringe bring the scripture n back your answer bru
@@Hindutvaiscringe
"Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. BUT IF they cannot control themselves, THEY SHOULD MARRY, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion." 1 Corinthians 7: 8-9
And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein. Gen 9:7
@@TR-yy1ub an order for when the earth needed to be populated. And after God murdered everyone on the plant but Noah and his family, an order given when the earth needed to be repopulated. There's plenty of people on earth now - if people don't want to have children they don't have to have children.
I’ve only see two scriptures in the Bible where God told man to “be fruitful and multiple”. The first time to Adam and Eve when the world population was two. And again to Noah after the flood; world population was eight. Neither time did i see where it indicated that this was an lasting command for all generations. Unless I missed something, I have a gut feeling this is scripture has been misunderstood.
That's putting it very gently and politely.
I think people have gone completely off the deep end neurotically on this issue and lost their minds.
its yeshua not jesus so get over it What verses do you see that sex in a marriage is sin if you are taking measures to prevent pregnancy?
I just don't get it!
err.. so is it a sin or not?
It is a sin that leads to hell.
I don't think so, I think the greater moral problem is having putting a child through suffering because of lack of planning.
@@Grokford It is a sin.
@@catholictruth102
According to you,
But you're not my messiah so I will not be taking your word for it.
@@Grokford According to me and the messiah.
What if you can’t afford children but god said men owe women sex and he gave us the gift of sex for happiness and to better link the husband and wife. But if you don’t have enough money for a child are you not supposed to have sex?
Kellz Yes, I think that's what they're saying.
Only when she is obulating and once you get her pregnant, don't have sex again, until she is ready for another baby.
Patrick Saxon that makes no sense
Kellz, God didn't say those things.
Hot Ice read 1 corithians 7:3-4
G K Chesterton quote “ best form of birth control is self control ‘
I'm married...and my wife has had three pregnancies. Two were horrible, and she almost died (went into renal failure from the rupture). One was born 2 months premature and the child almost died along with the mother. We are done trying pregnancies.
So we now use birth control. Because we are both still under 40 years old, so we still want to be intimate with each other.... but having my wife almost dying everytime she is pregnant is not being responsible for the child we have.
So the best form of birth control is whatever you discuss with your wife, and is best for the family.
Then you must be a virgin if you believe that self control is the best form of birth control. You sound like that you never had sex in your life. Sex is natural, normal and very healthy and to hold off from your married partner is a sin according to the bible.
Pat Saxon Rape is also a sin in the Bible. If a man forces himself on his wife when she rejects that’s a sin and vice versa. Self-control doesn’t stop after marriage.
Nope, you are wrong! Sex is also a privilage and a gift from God to enjoy. It is a part that makes a relationship wonderful and obligation between married couples. You don't have to complete a marriage by having children. There are reasons for family planning?", "Can I afford to have children?", "Is it something I want?" "Is it the right time?" "How many can I afford?" and these are logical questions that couples should asked them selves and you really do not have to have children to complete a marriage. There are economic reason to have children and there are economic reason not to have children. Children are a major responsibility and can be an economic stress. It should not be a religious obligation to procreate for the lord, that is between the married couple only.
@@patricksaxon3983 couples do not need to have children to complete their marriage. But not consummating (having sexual intercourse) means the marriage is not complete. Because the two has not come together as one flesh. If sex does not take place, the couple has not come together as one flesh because they have not given or received of the body of their spouse.
Is we don't want anymore kids the same as we cannot in no way afford anymore kids?
But your reward is in heaven, when you breed and procreate for the lord. According to Tony Perkins of the Washington Watch christian radio show, large families are a blessings.
Pat Saxon
But what if a person can’t financially have a family. Not everyone is destined to have a family.😑🤷🏻♂️
@@patsaxon5284 not really in my country large family is having financial problems
@@allisonali3439 To add to that, the state does not even provide adequate support to allow people to have many children.
@@kennethfok I lived in Philippines our country is very religious and every family here is large (not all) other family is not educated enough to know the contraceptives and family planning especially the poor one
(my English is not that good)
I think it would be a sin because it prevents you from living your best life by messing with your hormones
You’ve never been on birth control; how would you know? It stabilizes some women. Also, some people’s best life means not having 15 kids.
I'm curious why non-christians come to clearly Christian videos? I don't click atheist videos just to comment, so why do you?
freedom of speech
Freedom to watch what i want and to find out how christians use logic/faith in this issue
Because it's interesting. We live and associate with Christians every day.
Caitlin Goodson I’m a Christian and just because someone is atheist doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to be curious or have an opinion. Love don’t hate.
@@mcwho3 I was raised christian too, because it was the way it was, till I started reading books, some Einstein, Hawking. So I don`t understand why other people don`t read it it makes a lot of sense. When I talked to my mother about the beginning of the Earth my mother sad no. My mother was raised with religion and is still a believer. I think still that when kids go to sunday school they are brainwashed to indoctrinated by some old stories you can not check and people oh well. God created everything even this coronavirus I hate god for that. Jezus the grand grand son of David who set up his friend so he was in the front line and died so he can make love to his wife great . Jericho all people murderded accept I woman sure how fantastic . People want to live forever maybe people have work in heaven and think in that there is no end seeing your favorite bands a google amount . Greetings from Erik born as a protestant who likes history science as much I can understand it.
Not a single Bible verse mentioned.
Because there are no verses on this topic, likewise do the catholics pull assertions on birth control from sources outside of the Bible in the stoics.
The Bible is not the only source of divine truth. Arguments from nature and tradition are acceptable in establishing the truth of theological viewpoints, though not preferred.
@Tim Carter Thank you, that actually is very relevant to my concerns. Good timing haha. Have a blessed day.
The reason the Bible does not specifically mention birth control is because only the pagan world used it having kids when married was always the celebrated default of marriage unless one is chaste. If one happens to have relations an don’t get pregnant naturally then that was Gods timing.
Is this a Roman Catholic organization?
No
is all the same thing. is all religion they all believe the same twisted doctrines. their rocks are, baptism, salvation by works, the hell hoax doctrine, tithing, attending man made temples etc...... there is no hell in the scriptures, all going to be saved, there is only one baptism, that is when one is endowed with the holy spirit as the disciples did on the day of Pentecost, tithing was NEVER about money but about what came out of the ground. the ONLY folks that were commanded to tithe were the farmers. because they had to tithe from the crops the ground produced. GOD needs no money. but rich people do [wink] here it is sir. please read it carefully....
Giving Tithes
22You must be sure to set aside a "tenth" of all the produce brought forth each year from YOUR FIELDS. 23And you are to eat a tenth of your grain, new wine, and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks, in the presence of the LORD your God at the place He will choose as a dwelling for His Name, so that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always. 24But if the distance is too great for you to carry that with which the LORD your God has blessed you, because the place where the LORD your God will choose to put His Name is too far away 25then you shall turn it INTO MONEY and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the LORD your God chooses 26 AND SPEND THE MONEY for whatever you desire-oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household. 27And you shall not neglect the Levite who is within your towns, for he has no portion or inheritance with you......Notice there was money back then? but IT WAS NEVER ABOUT MONEY. not shouting sir just simply highlighting things i think are important. thank you
Who's to say that preventing implantation is a moral concern?
I'm not saying that it's not, but what is the authority on this?
Why are two free-floating sex cells that are attached any different from hundreds of free-floating sex cells that aren't.
Implantation onto the uterine wall can happen in three days or less, even if the cells begin to divide after three days the upperlimit would be about ~150s cells.
A single human hair is made up of hundreds of thousands of cells.
I'm not convinced that mixing DNA together is what makes a person.
It does though. New unique DNA = new human life that has never existed before and will never exist again. Life beginning at conception (aka when the zygote is formed) is simply biology. If new DNA doesn’t make a person to you, what does?
@@user-et9kk7wb6h
"It does though."
Why?
Why is a difference in DNA the defining nature of what makes a person?
I don't think that identical twins are less people because they don't have unique DNA
And I don't think that the many cells in the average human body which are genetically distinct from the shared DNA of the rest of the body are a person.
And I think that you would agree with those examples.
"Life beginning at conception (aka when the zygote is formed) is simply biology."
I'm afraid that it's not, not in the way you mean.
Of course the cells are alive, sperm are alive and so are eggs but we don't consider them to be people.
The question is when do cells form a person, and that is philosophical question.
"If new DNA doesn’t make a person to you, what "
An excellent question.
I don't know.
but it's perfectly possible to create new DNA and then use that DNA to grow a heart or an ear.
But I think that you would agree that regardless of the DNA of a disembodied organ that they are nor people.
My point is that at some point, a person starts to exist, but when is a question.
@@Grokford Mixing DNA together makes a person because that is when a the human life begins. If you believe that human life has value you need to believe that the value of that human life begins when the human life is newly formed. Otherwise, you get yourself into a tone of slippery slopes. It is not about when life begins, but when a "new HUMAN life" begins. Cells in the human body are cells that constantly die and are constantly created by the human body, not he human itself. Identical twins do not have less value than other human because they "share a unique DNA" the DNA is unique, because it has never existed before and never will again. They share it because the zygote split after conception.
"And I don't think that the many cells in the average human body which are genetically distinct from the shared DNA of the rest of the body are a person."
From my knowledge, every cell within a human being contains the same DNA.
Cells form a person, when they form a new unique DNA. Sperms and eggs are alive, but are not human lives.
@@user-et9kk7wb6h
"Mixing DNA together makes a person because that is when a the human life begins."
I don't see the rational there.
If I'm being honest with you, I think that this claim exist because it's one of the very view distinct stages in the process which can also be called human without disrupting normal life.
I don't get the impression that this idea is based on some inherent moral or spiritual difference between one strand of DNA or Two.
"If you believe that human life has value you need to believe that the value of that human life begins when the human life is newly formed."
When is human life formed?
Like I said, this is a philosophical question.
"Otherwise, you get yourself into a tone of slippery slopes."
Oh I absolutely agree that it's incredibly ambiguous. I just don't think that randomly picking a point is an answer to the problem of uncertainty.
"Cells in the human body are cells that constantly die and are constantly created by the human body, not he human itself."
I would agree.
No one cries over an eyelash.
But the question become when do cells become a human being.
"Identical twins do not have less value than other human because they "share a unique DNA" the DNA is unique"
I agree that identical twins are not less valuable because they are identical, but they are identical because their DNA is identical.
"From my knowledge, every cell within a human being contains the same DNA. "
In theory, but oftentimes cells incorporate the DNA from bacteria or mutate.
This is the origin of cancer but most mutated cells continue on without causing much trouble.
And then there are case of so-called chimeras, typically caused by the combination of fraternal twins but can be caused by other circumstances.
In which case one person could have two or more main DNA sequences with variations thereon out.
"Cells form a person, when they form a new unique DNA."
I understand that that is your position, but I don't know why.
As I mentioned previously you can have multiple people without multiple identical DNA sequences and as I just mentioned you can have one person with several unique DNA sequences.
I don't see the correlation.
There are contraceptive methods like periodic abstinence, coitus interuptus and lactational amenorrhea which are all natural methods, and there are barrier methods and many other forms of birth control that does not even allow the fusion of gametes in the first place( majority of them).And a simple biology fact is that a female is pregnant only WHEN the embryo implants on the uterine wall and the endometrial lining interdigitates with the chorionic villi . This is what conception is . The fusion of male and female gamete is NOT conception, it is simply fertilisation 😂❤@@user-et9kk7wb6h
What about a right to privacy and confidentiality?
That only works if a Christian is doing something that isn’n possibly a biblical problem
Sir, you have many medical points incorrect in your video. IUDs actually prevent ovulation, meaning that they are pre-fertilization. Please make sure your content is medically accurate in the future.
Amen!
IUD’s work by causing irritation in the uterus and thickening the secretions to aid in keeping the sperm and ovum separate....however, if this doesn’t happen and conception occurs, the IUD prevents implantation and also increases the risk of an ectopic pregnancy. The main mode of action of IUD’s is not to prevent ovulation although some do have a mild hormones that may suppress ovulation. Again, that is not their primary mode of action.
His entire worldview is based on stories mythical stories beginning with magic fruit trees and talking snakes. Do you really expect correct scientific information here?
@@nicholasflamel1134 we’ll see one day if the stories are real or not you better hope your right
@@nicholasflamel1134 and what is your morality based on? Are you a slave to cultural norms, or do you truly believe that morality is just a man made construct?
I think there should be a Limit for birth control cause if you use it a lot that’s too much but doesn’t mean you have to have like 6million kids
The reason birth control is sinful has to do with God's design for sex
God made sex for two purposes namely for procreative purposes and unitive purposes (meaning to deepen the love and bond between the spouses)
However one must never separate the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes because God never intended for the two to be separate. For every act in marriage to be chaste it must meet both the procreative and unitive purposes of sex.
Let's take IVF for example: it's procreative but it's not unitive because there is no sexual union which takes place between the spouses which bonds them together. Therefore it's not within God's will because it separates the procreative purposes of sex from it's unitive purposes.
Birth control does the opposite of IVF. The sexual union takes place but it's closed off to procreation thereby rendering the act sterile. So birth control separates the sexual union from it's procreative purposes.
Let's take BDSM as another example. It is possible for BDSM to be procreative but hitting, choking, tying up your spouse during sex does not bond you together so it's non unitive and therefore BDSM should also not be practiced in a Christian marriage because it also separates the procreative from the unitive.
Unnatural sexual acts are all non procreative and non unitive so it's not within God's design.
Not saying God wants us to conceive every time we have sex but we should at least be open to life resulting from that act so if it is impossible that a baby could result from the act you are doing or it's contraceptive then it's wrong.
People can look up natural family and use that (prayerfully and with reason) instead of condoms, birth control and artificial contraceptives if they don't want a million kids.
@@ABezuidenhout370 Are you Catholic? I'm not Catholic, but I respect and agree with Catholicism's teaching on sex and how it needs to be unitive and procreative. Many protestants are too wishy washy when it comes to contraception, but I think Catholicism is more robust and logical on this issue. Totally agree about NFP being an option because it doesn't thwart and sterilize the sexual act.
I noted a few inaccuracies in the mechanisms of birth control. You should consider redoing this particular video.
In my personal opinion, no, birth control is not sin. By the same logic of “preventing life” or “preventing God’s gift” being sin, one could argue that abstaining or refusing sex is sin, which of course isn’t true. I also believe that God is who creates souls, not humans, so if a child is born, it was fated to be and part of God’s plan. If a human makes a decision that would otherwise result in children, then it wasn’t fated to be. God does not explicitly forbid the decisions humans make not to have children, birth control is merely a tool, to aid in that decision. And I disagree with your interpretation of the semantic of “control”. It is not control in the sense of controlling fate or God’s plan, no more than control over how fast you go to work and the decision to drive a car being a sin because it increases the chances of dying.
Did yu kno God wanted everyone to go to heaven? But not everyone goes to heaven because God gave us free reign over our actions nd that means we can sin if thats our choice but God doesn't like sin because it separates us from Him nd if He had it His way no one would sin "The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." 2 Peter 3:9. Yu cant just say God's will is always fulfilled because thats not the case because if it was the Earth would have been a much better place
@@justusetpeccator_ In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again.
I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world.zq.
Children are a gift and birth control doesn't prevent God from gifting you. You deciding when the time is right is your free right. Baptists in general supported birth control, abortion and family planning until Ronald Reagan's culture war. A culture war that is forbidden in the book of Titus. Making non-Christians live under Christian law is forbidden in Corinthians. I would be careful what ideologies I attach myself to. It may be a stumbling block.
Well if baptists support abortion than they are not being a true christian
@@dellaswanson9837 could you please quote me the scripture opposing abortion?
@@thesavoyard "thou shall not murder"
@@thesavoyard "your hands made me and formed me" psalm 119:3a
@@thesavoyard "For You formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise You for I am fearfully and womderfully made. Wonderful are Your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, WHEN I WAS BEING MADE IN SECRET, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my UNFORMED SUBSTANCE. In YOUR BOOK were written, every one of them. The days that were formed for me, when as yet there were none of them."
Read Rome Sweet Home by Scott and Kimberly Hahn. Kimberly set out to biblically prove Catholic teaching was wrong on this subject and she and her husband (an anti Catholic Protestant pastor and biblical teacher) ended up converting to Catholicism. Fascinating book.
Read it & underlined their thoughts. I saw a lot of “I felt” and “we think” all the way through that book. It’s an ok story but very subjective. I think that some of their “discoveries” were taken out of context and very subjective. Again, nice story but they need to go back to their research.
@@jaylightfoot3303 I am pretty sure the research has been thorough. The book is over two decades old and has been updated multiple times. Their conclusion remains unchanged for them who had six children. Ultimately the ingredient that is necessary when discerning content like this is the wisdom of the Holy Spirit. Our human nature can block us from what God is trying to show us.
@@janinepettit2019 agreed. Except that ultimately the Holy Spirit gives us common sense and wisdom to follow the rules of interpretation when handling rightly, the Word of God. Longevity of a book is no indicator of correct interpretation. If longevity were an indicator then the satanic bible has been around way longer. There are rules of interpretation that must be followed when interpreting scripture. Feelings are not part of interpretation.
In my case my husband has two girls before we got married at forty five and we don’t live in the same country for now.
I came for comment wars! :D🍿
Same
@@melmoore9033 Then both of you came to the right place. :), :), :)
Why can’t children be a gift you only want twice?
@Bok Choy what if i don’t believe in god?
@Bok Choy you can prove the existence of god? I can’t wait to hear this nonsense….
An intelligible designer is the only reasonable explanation of origins. That itself is pretty compelling evidence for God.
@@colepriceguitar1153 ya, ok ill just take your word for it then. Sky daddy is real everyone! you heard it here first.
@@barneyleseven2854 There is evidence
No child is an accidental child but some parents may be accidental parents.
children should be born out of love not because it is the low
@@erikjanhobma Not because it is the law.
I appreciate his perspective instead of just making the blanket statement that it's ALL sin.
ya I think he broached this subject pretty well, giving very careful and balanced consideration of the topic as is deserved.
I used to do that before but I have stopped using that 7 and a half years ago. U have to know your fertile and your infertile days and act accordingly.
Well. That's also not good because you purposely kill the cells that should've been lives.
@Sadie Mezzo Yeah. But like, you do it out of your sexual desires, which is not good because you give in to them. If you are a sexually weak person, then you should marry an infertile woman. because using contraceptives is same as killing and wasting cells.
Ewww the uneducated ness
@chris widney there is an app that shows your fertile and infertile days, that's what my team coach says. U have 8 children !! That's a blessing.
@chris widney I know. That cells die naturally. I'm talking about purposely throwing off sperm cells so you purposely do not procreate life. You do sex but you don't want to create babies so you kill cells that you are not supposed to eject. Understood??
Im a mother of four, and catholic but I can’t have anymore babies I’m to old and they are expensive!! Only My God will be my judge.
NewLeaf green pastures how is that? I know exactly what I’m saying
Zumba_mama_of_4 yes 👏🏾👏🏾 only YOUR god will be your judge, don’t feel ashamed for using contraceptives. realistically, people to only have sex when they want children is unlikely. Do whatever is comfortable with your body and your life :)
universalgoats thanks and you are so right God will be my only judge. No one in this earth can be my judge specially through a keyboard
And he will be your judge. Read Humane Vitae, 1968.
If you can have them, then you are not too old to have them.
The Catholic Church clearly teaches against contraception.
gazlo235 I have and I’m at peace with my self. But I’ll find out on my judgement day.
Dude u didn’t even answer the question at all !
Every other video by u guys is great
But u beat around the bush horribly
I'll give you a senareo what if a woman gets raped by someone whom she is not married to they take advantage of her and an embreo occurs should she keep the baby when she didn't even want it and let's get even darker let's say that woman is a child under aged should she keep the baby a clear reminder of her pain and let's say she's fully grown is she obliged to keep the rape baby?
Yes
Why should the innocent baby be put to death and not the rapist?
@@spirituallysafe ahh now you have given me a fantastic senareo to work through might I say yes the rapist should be put to death however if the lady who has been put through this ordeal doesn't want to go through childbirth she should have the right to choose abortion however if she doesn't want that option she should have the choice to go through childbirth, now my friend I am not saying abortion should be the first thing to go to but the choice should be given women should have the freedom to choose on what they want to do with the child, raise them till adulthood, put them up for adoption and yes abortion should all be choices, I hope this helps you understand my veiws you don't need to agree as I stand for freedom of opinion, speech and religion, thanks for reading!
Here because I'm so not christian and I can't believe this would even have to be asked.
It’s nice to think we are fully autonomous isn’t it, we just can’t extinguish that God consciousness though, it eats away at us constantly no matter where we are in life, do you reckon that came to be due to evolution ? At what stage did we all develop our abilities to have guilt enmity resentment love hate remorse envy pride prejudice etc was it before or after we miraculously just formed from the primordial ooze for no reason and no purpose ? What do you see is the reason you were given the ability to procreate was ?
Booo false dichotomy.
Control of your reproduction and the idea that children are valuable are not opposed ideas.
That is insane.
That's like saying having friends is good so you can never put locks on your door.
Friends are some of the most important things in life, but that doesn't remotely mean that you shouldn't get to decide when and how a friend gets access to you or your home.
Exactly, today our zoology ma'am was taking sexual reproduction and we discussed several issues like population explosion and so on
What about pulling out
wrong too
Thank you for addressing this. I like your kindness and concern. Where is the support for any kind or form of birth control in the Bible or in early church history? Many early churches fathers denounced it. I am not a scholar but have found no support for birth control in the Bible. God never remotely implies any kind birth control prevention in the Bible even in famine, war or hard times. I.e.. Look at the Israelites in Egypt. If they would have said, “hey, we can't have kids because we can't afford it, we don't have enough food, they will grow up in a cruel world and be slaves or they may get thrown into the Nile ( if a boy)” than they would have not populated so fast to a great multitude. The Egyptians would not have felt threatened and God would not have delivered a great multitude but a small bunch. Thank God the parents of Moses did not abort him. I learned from the Physicians’ Desk Reference drug book (PDR) in nursing school that the backup method for some birth control pills is that it prevents the fertilized egg (the newly formed baby) from attaching to the uterine wall, thus it is an abortion. When I found this out we stopped using birth control pills. We went through a natural family method course. NFP tells you to abstain at the most pleasurable time of intercourse for the women and which is the most fertile time. The Natural family method takes focus on the pleasure of sex and while avoiding the great blessing of responsibility that comes from the precious life of a new baby. This life is invaluable. There is a principle found in the Bible that says, don’t' separate responsibility from pleasure. God put the act of sex (pleasure) with the potential for responsibility and provision which is a Baby, a WONDERFUL BLESSING! Many people today see children as a liability and not as an asset. That is so sad. It is like they see children as a curse not a blessing. “Oh no, we are pregnant again.” God's command to reproduce and multiply has not be repealed by God but mankind is trying to it to some extent. Children are a blessing and having a lot of kids can save a nation from going under. Children are also a blessing because they expose our sin and selfishness that may otherwise go undetected.
Not only is birth control not a sin but people need to use birth control tio prevent the spread of diseases like AIDS and for the population control.
Omg thats true
One of the sanest comments I've seen in here.
Birth control is not a sin, if used between married couples only.