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Hello, I am using TIA Portal and WinCC RT Advanced on a Windows system. I have enabled Simatic Logon to view notifications through the Alarm view in the HMI. However, I would like to know the source of the data being used, which I see can be viewed from the Simatic Logon Event Viewer, which I do not have on my machine. I am wondering if I need to buy an additional package or if there is a better way to view the logging.
You my friend need to investigate the audit trail features. support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/109744244/gmp-compliant-configuration-with-wincc-comfort-advanced-wincc-audit-and-hmi-panels?dti=0&lc=en-WW
Hi, i am trying with mp277 panel but I couldn’t able to succeed. We have procured somatic logon remote access license also. Any comments on it. You have not show ALM status in video can you plz demonstrate that also.
magneettiventtiilit.fi/sites/default/files/simatic_st80_stpc_chap04_english_2013.pdf see pg. 76; I only show this using TIA Portal, not the Simatic Manager. Best of Luck.
Hi, I have a question for the Panel HMI Comfort do i need a license key ?? also if so, which one do i require? same questions for the IPC since in the IPC i am using simatic logon v1.6 and we think we need the license logon access remote but we try only for IPC and it didn't work
You do need a license key for the panel. The license key resides on the Simatic logon server. This is because the license for the panel is considered a remote client license. Each panel requires a remote access license. Please visit Siemens iMall.
Any item such as a comfort panel that has to query the active directory is considered a remote client. This requires a remote access license. You would need 1 per device. When you query locally, this is probably why you can get it to work there. You keep the remote access license on the Simatic Logon Server, not the Panel. The panel will query the server and produce nagware if no licenses are free for use.
In this example do not show a usb license only the simatic logon server license, and remote client license, both are on the server where simatic logon is located. What product are you using? Is this a badge reader, I have another video showing this one.
@@System-Restored Hi, thank you for the answer. I have yet to install Simatic Logon on my domain controller but I plan to use it as a regular user login tool so I could link between Active directory user administration and the plant control. I guess the licence is in the USB stick and I didn't know where to activate the Simatic Logon licence as the RT Advanced client tells me that no Simatic Logon licence was found
@Oh Nose Get a remote client license. It is signaled by the server to flag the popup, just a guess; 6es7658-7BA00-2YB0 remote access client (3pack). I would look at a "proxy" server on the same domain, if you require a lot of logons per shift. You can configure the tool to look at a local server instead, and the local server is a member of the active directory, this way it has reference to the same stuff, without being your actual active directory. You don't want to hammer your active directory server, for example if 60 people badge in all at the exact same time. Not saying it won't work, just saying plan accordingly.
@@ohnose4455 No major "shift" still installing comforts alot, but do know it's coming for you, better to be aware than to be surprised. In future UMC will help with the active directory part and all the user management. It's my opinion this is the future, at least in comfort/advanced, currently this feature doesn't matter that much. Simatic logon is still an awesome tool, and necessary for anything Comfort or Advanced, or even SCADA products, Automation license manger the list goes on. Best of luck!
Hi. So in the Comfort HMI what do i need to do? Question is ONLY regarding HMI. Can you make a video or if its eazy can uou write down points? Like... 1- download license. 2- activate Simatic logon in TIA...
@14:10 is where I suggest you start. I don't provide a 1,2,3 per say, but It is in sequence for your visually. The most important steps are 1) the user of the active directory groups match in the users and roles in TIA Portal; also don't forget the emergency login in case the connection to Simatic logon becomes broken 2)The Simatic Logon settings located under the runtime settings>User administration of the HMI must point where the Simatic logon server is with all the data I want. 3) The licenses reside on the Simatic Logon server; for each remote client (aka hmi panel) and another special license for the server itself. See the app note from Siemens Industry online support app id: 109738532 "User Administration in WinCC (TIA Portal)". From there it's on see section 3.5; "Central User Administration". support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/109738532/user-administration-in-wincc-(tia-portal)?dti=0&lc=en-WW Best of luck in your endeavors.
not sure what you mean by deletion. Since you would be using the built in Simatic Logon feature in the comfort panel, and also using the user administration that is built in for the grouping, then you will find that the users are also logged into the audit trail. This is done for you when you turn on the GMP part of the runtime settings in a comfort panel. Here the GMP audit trail is a separate license. You can also try out the feature for free, you will get nagware popup, besides that store the file on the SD card as a CSV and it should be easy to find user logins in the trail.
I realize now what your question is. I would think there is the possibility, if you can find a script but I didn't see a system function that would clear up your request. If possible then you can attach "event script" to a button, and also from that same button call the script specifically for audit trail logging. I'm not sure how you can achieve this without the user admin toolbar, Audit Trail is not really integrated here like it is for the recipe viewer. I'm not sure if you mean the audit trail GMP in the HMI or the audit trail that you get from Simatic logon buffer?
@@System-Restored what i meant was is there any way i can link windows audit trail data into simatic logon? Like a user logs in the window pc then can i get that entry in simatic logon
@@kimbreldias924 Hey Simatic Logon does offer an API of sorts. I have never used it, but I know it supposed to allow custom scripting. I'm not sure you can directly link windows logon through this, just throwing that out there. May want to contact Siemens Process Automation groups if you know any.
Dear Team, I have a question for MP 277 10" panel. Simatic log on remote access has been working.but 1. Automatic Log off from the Simatic log-on is not working. 2. If I connected 3 HMI systems, how can I know which HMI user can log in to Simatic Event Log? (if same user login 3 hmi how can i know display hmi name or IP in simatic event log) please do need ful
Hello I have not used MP 277 with Simatic Logon, sounds like you have it working but you want some custom features. There is an open development kit, but I have not used it. support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/109768702/user-administration-in-wincc-v7-5?dti=0&lc=en-US go to the bottom of the page and submit and "create a service request" You will find the following files in the directory "...\SimaticLogon\developmentkit"
@@System-Restored Thank you sir your reply We have successfully captured in simatic logon event view. But we will connect 3 hmi .user can login three hmi 's. Simatic logon captured login's without ip and Hmi. We are unable fine which user can access hmi 1? If any solution/ suggestion please do needful
@@SuperUmash I will keep you in mind if I come across anything, to my knowledge it is only intended to capture interactions between Active directory and Simatic Logon services.
@@System-Restored Dear team I added extended log on administrator and configure the diagnostics tab in simatic logon. Diagnostics files are now created automatically cab be found in simatic logon\Diagnostic folder. Service.txt file contains user details and ip details observed in different lines of coding How to get user with IP from the diagnostics file??
Do you have still SIMATIC LOGON iso file?
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68165 Mannheim
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Hello, I am using TIA Portal and WinCC RT Advanced on a Windows system. I have enabled Simatic Logon to view notifications through the Alarm view in the HMI. However, I would like to know the source of the data being used, which I see can be viewed from the Simatic Logon Event Viewer, which I do not have on my machine. I am wondering if I need to buy an additional package or if there is a better way to view the logging.
You my friend need to investigate the audit trail features. support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/109744244/gmp-compliant-configuration-with-wincc-comfort-advanced-wincc-audit-and-hmi-panels?dti=0&lc=en-WW
Hi, i am trying with mp277 panel but I couldn’t able to succeed. We have procured somatic logon remote access license also. Any comments on it. You have not show ALM status in video can you plz demonstrate that also.
magneettiventtiilit.fi/sites/default/files/simatic_st80_stpc_chap04_english_2013.pdf see pg. 76; I only show this using TIA Portal, not the Simatic Manager. Best of Luck.
Thanks for the point on ALM status
Hi, I have a question for the Panel HMI Comfort do i need a license key ?? also if so, which one do i require? same questions for the IPC since in the IPC i am using simatic logon v1.6 and we think we need the license logon access remote but we try only for IPC and it didn't work
You do need a license key for the panel. The license key resides on the Simatic logon server. This is because the license for the panel is considered a remote client license. Each panel requires a remote access license.
Please visit Siemens iMall.
Any item such as a comfort panel that has to query the active directory is considered a remote client. This requires a remote access license. You would need 1 per device. When you query locally, this is probably why you can get it to work there. You keep the remote access license on the Simatic Logon Server, not the Panel. The panel will query the server and produce nagware if no licenses are free for use.
Hello,
Simatic Logon 1.6 also comes with USB licence. Do I need to install the licence on the HMI PC or the DC server?
In this example do not show a usb license only the simatic logon server license, and remote client license, both are on the server where simatic logon is located. What product are you using? Is this a badge reader, I have another video showing this one.
@@System-Restored
Hi, thank you for the answer.
I have yet to install Simatic Logon on my domain controller but I plan to use it as a regular user login tool so I could link between Active directory user administration and the plant control.
I guess the licence is in the USB stick and I didn't know where to activate the Simatic Logon licence as the RT Advanced client tells me that no Simatic Logon licence was found
@Oh Nose Get a remote client license. It is signaled by the server to flag the popup, just a guess; 6es7658-7BA00-2YB0 remote access client (3pack).
I would look at a "proxy" server on the same domain, if you require a lot of logons per shift. You can configure the tool to look at a local server instead, and the local server is a member of the active directory, this way it has reference to the same stuff, without being your actual active directory. You don't want to hammer your active directory server, for example if 60 people badge in all at the exact same time. Not saying it won't work, just saying plan accordingly.
@@System-Restored Oh wow, that was very informative, thanks!
Never tried Unified, do you think that Siemens will just shift into that??
@@ohnose4455 No major "shift" still installing comforts alot, but do know it's coming for you, better to be aware than to be surprised. In future UMC will help with the active directory part and all the user management. It's my opinion this is the future, at least in comfort/advanced, currently this feature doesn't matter that much. Simatic logon is still an awesome tool, and necessary for anything Comfort or Advanced, or even SCADA products, Automation license manger the list goes on.
Best of luck!
Hi.
So in the Comfort HMI what do i need to do? Question is ONLY regarding HMI.
Can you make a video or if its eazy can uou write down points?
Like... 1- download license. 2- activate Simatic logon in TIA...
@14:10 is where I suggest you start. I don't provide a 1,2,3 per say, but It is in sequence for your visually.
The most important steps are
1) the user of the active directory groups match in the users and roles in TIA Portal; also don't forget the emergency login in case the connection to Simatic logon becomes broken
2)The Simatic Logon settings located under the runtime settings>User administration of the HMI must point where the Simatic logon server is with all the data I want.
3) The licenses reside on the Simatic Logon server; for each remote client (aka hmi panel) and another special license for the server itself.
See the app note from Siemens Industry online support app id: 109738532 "User Administration in WinCC (TIA Portal)". From there it's on see section 3.5; "Central User Administration".
support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/109738532/user-administration-in-wincc-(tia-portal)?dti=0&lc=en-WW
Best of luck in your endeavors.
@@System-Restored thanks alot for your explanation 👍👍👍
Good job on ypur video aswel.
Is there a way to add windows user creation or deletion in audit trail?
not sure what you mean by deletion.
Since you would be using the built in Simatic Logon feature in the comfort panel, and also using the user administration that is built in for the grouping, then you will find that the users are also logged into the audit trail. This is done for you when you turn on the GMP part of the runtime settings in a comfort panel. Here the GMP audit trail is a separate license. You can also try out the feature for free, you will get nagware popup, besides that store the file on the SD card as a CSV and it should be easy to find user logins in the trail.
I realize now what your question is. I would think there is the possibility, if you can find a script but I didn't see a system function that would clear up your request. If possible then you can attach "event script" to a button, and also from that same button call the script specifically for audit trail logging. I'm not sure how you can achieve this without the user admin toolbar, Audit Trail is not really integrated here like it is for the recipe viewer. I'm not sure if you mean the audit trail GMP in the HMI or the audit trail that you get from Simatic logon buffer?
The audit trail logs adding a new user
@@System-Restored what i meant was is there any way i can link windows audit trail data into simatic logon?
Like a user logs in the window pc then can i get that entry in simatic logon
@@kimbreldias924 Hey Simatic Logon does offer an API of sorts. I have never used it, but I know it supposed to allow custom scripting. I'm not sure you can directly link windows logon through this, just throwing that out there. May want to contact Siemens Process Automation groups if you know any.
Dear Team,
I have a question for MP 277 10" panel.
Simatic log on remote access has been working.but
1. Automatic Log off from the Simatic log-on is not working.
2. If I connected 3 HMI systems, how can I know which HMI user can log in to Simatic Event Log? (if same user login 3 hmi how can i know display hmi name or IP in simatic event log)
please do need ful
Hello I have not used MP 277 with Simatic Logon, sounds like you have it working but you want some custom features. There is an open development kit, but I have not used it.
support.industry.siemens.com/cs/document/109768702/user-administration-in-wincc-v7-5?dti=0&lc=en-US go to the bottom of the page and submit and "create a service request"
You will find the following files in the directory "...\SimaticLogon\developmentkit"
@@System-Restored
Thank you sir your reply
We have successfully captured in simatic logon event view.
But we will connect 3 hmi .user can login three hmi 's.
Simatic logon captured login's without ip and Hmi.
We are unable fine which user can access hmi 1?
If any solution/ suggestion please do needful
@@SuperUmash I will keep you in mind if I come across anything, to my knowledge it is only intended to capture interactions between Active directory and Simatic Logon services.
@@System-Restored
Dear team
I added extended log on administrator and configure the diagnostics tab in simatic logon.
Diagnostics files are now created automatically cab be found in simatic logon\Diagnostic folder.
Service.txt file contains user details and ip details observed in different lines of coding
How to get user with IP from the diagnostics file??
@@SuperUmash hey good find. Not sure the ODK is probably your only way. Again I'm guessing it could be best for you to reach out to Siemens directly.