The thing with vintage eps is each one will have slight variance in tone and require maintenance. The reface sounds very believable and is will require a lot less maintenance in the long run. Own one, and love it
What an excellent collection you have, and what an excellent demonstration this is! Hats off to you :) Reface CP is certainly a tiny force to be reckoned with!
I own and it is surprising how good it sounds. I can't stand those mini keys. I either midi it up to my main keyboard - Yamaha MX88, or use my Roland A-37 controller. The onboard speakers sound like a bad transistor radio. You can shut them off by powering down the Reface CP, then holding down the lowest D note, power up the unit and that shuts off the onboard speakers. The unit sound great through nice sound system speakers.
@@Keyboardman88 I finally just received my Reface CP off backorder from GC and it is DA BOMB! Sounds amazing-all except that annoying Toy Piano. The designers must have been smoking some powerful stuff when they thought up that one! 🙄 And yeah, the mini-keys and speakers suck too. I only intend to use it via midi as a sound module with my Roland Juno DS88 being the master-board. The Vintage EP sounds are magnificent and worth putting up with the aforementioned drawbacks. I would definitely buy it again! And thanks for the info on how to disable the speakers!
@@Keyboardman88 Yeah, but it never stays in position and always slips into either of the adjacent settings as soon as I start playing. 🙄 How SUPER annoying it is that Yamaha failed to recognize that an acoustic piano is WAY more valuable to a piano player than a ridiculous toy piano. I love Tchaikovsky but give me a break! lol
Recently got a Reface cp, always wanted one since they came out but couldn’t justify it. Have to say it sounds incredible. I have a Montage 6 and honestly the ep’s on the Reface sound better especially the grunt that you want from a rhodes when you dig into the keys. Running it to a midi controller is a must but even on full size synth keys because of the sound it is so rewarding to play, that’s the best word I can think to describe it. Worth every penny
The Reface Cp sounds so good! Yes with good headphones i can definiately hear the more richness of the real e-pianos. But once you effect on that, and imagine listening to it in a band-mix, those differences because so small. What i am saying is: as an listener, or audience member, i would be moved and touch by the Reface CP.
They reface is def a little bit thinner, just a little bit less of that bassy body BUT not anything you’d miss or notice in a track or just hearing it not side by side I want one :)
I sometimes wonder if this is a reactionary measure; it's easier to mix in low end, but taking it out is tricky because the overtones cloud up the mids. Generally, I *think* that my argument is to go for pure authenticity, but I don't think that's necessarily the best case all the time unless it's something like a TS-808 where, in isolation, it's easier to mix and has always been more of a foundational structure to reinforce with more exaggerated EQ as you go. Conversely, I feel like the advent of "bedroom guitarists" resulted in guitar amps having so much low end that it amazes me how many people I've played with that don't know how to cut some lows for a live bassist to be audible.
I have the old Yamaha KX88. Even though it’s just a “controller” it makes everything sound better. Can’t wait to plug it into a CP. When they introduced the whole Reface series everybody was very critical about the small keys and the price which was $500 at launch. I am happy to see these are quite popular now. For a while you couldn’t find them.
On the Wurlitzer, the CP cuts the sound too abruptly on note releases, but in a mix, no one would notice. And for a fraction of the price of real pianos, you get a very convincing emulation. BTW, there's an easter egg in the Yamaha Reface CP: if you put the piano type selector in between two models, and power on the unit, you get a Grand Piano sound!
I bought it I keep it. And yes I have Keyscape, a real Feurich 1,90m Grand Piano at home and a Kawai ES-8, so I am not in need of something cheap. This thing is a beast and is worth every penny. 1. You can use it as a midi controller for example for Keyscape, LogicPro 2. You can connect with a 3€ midi cable with an 88 midi keyboard and use just the sounds 3. If you use on D.Delay full open two knobs, you have a simple cool loop function 4. If you switch on while the know between two instruments, you can play a very nice clean piano sound 5. You can use 6xAA betteries/accu and you can play for hours 6. Internal speakers are for its site amazing, ten times better than Akai mini Play for example 7. All knobs and faders are solid, super overall built quality 8. Keybed is so far best I had under my fingers with 3 octaves... 9. I DONT get paid for this, I payed with my hard earned money and I am happy some months already. This is like the ES8, it will stay at home, quality, sound and feel are great.
Obviously if you've got to play the 3 originals, it's about the keybeds on each that give them character. But, the Clavinet is a bit frustrating due to it's short throw keys. There's also the obvious mechanics involved in all 3. But can be very expensive to maintain and repair. You can't drag them all over the place. Yes the reface needs a weighted controller. I would take the keys off the reface and make it a module with a quick Dremel cut. The decision is obvious. The ultimate goal since synths came out was to get that sound in a portable package. Finally it's here. All 3 for $450, no brainer. You can buy a Lambo to get you around town. You can also fix up a beater to do the same basic thing. A good pool player can beat you with the stick off the wall, even tho he owns an expensive one. It's all in the final results of what you're trying to accomplish. Play music.
As a Rhodes MK1 owner I'm Impressed with the Reface in this video, but you can tell it's synthesized with a close ear because every Rhodes has different characteristics from tine to tine and voicing alone is never perfect. And the Reface has a very consistent sound note to note like a synth. In a mixed track with effects you might not notice the difference but I don't think it'll feel the same as sitting with a Rhodes. Keyscape is pretty amazing though, especially through a big system, it can really feel like my Rhodes aside from fact that it feels pre mixed where my Rhodes doesn't unless I'm tracking it with effects
I agree, but I think it's one of the strengths of the CP. Playing a real rhodes, those inconsistencies are part of the charm, but those types of inconsistencies quickly become irritating when I hear them in samples. It's why I adore the rhodes found in the CP1, CP5 and CP4. Authentic, but kind of enhanced at the same time.
@@dynoroad yeah I can agree, there’s positives for both, the CP is cool too because you have so many tones on hand really quickly, paired with pedals or effects it’s even better and it’s a sound we’re becoming used to on modern music. But I’d say it depends on the Rhodes itself, the inconsistency should be super minimal if it’s a good Rhodes, like some tines have a little more bell and some sound a little warmer but very minimally, it just brings it to life a little more, if it’s starting to sound irritating then I’d say that Rhodes probably needs a good setup and restoration haha. I fully restored mine and you can hear it in a video on my channel, it sounds brand new, beautiful stereo tremolo, upgraded preamp, internals completely redone etc. I’ve thought about making it into a Kontakt instrument but there’s so many Rhodes out there already, I dont know if there’s a RetroFlyer Rhodes though so maybe I’ll do it some day!
I agree. It's hard for me to tell the difference. Bro did you know the You can also connect the Reface to a master keyboard? This gives you full 88 key freedom!
@@christhedemocrat Forsure, in a mix I doubt you'd be able to hear any different. Mind you I find on mine the 1st Rhodes sound has a weird pitch in the lower octaves. Yeah its rad they have midi out! Im missing my breakout cable so stuck with the mini keys for now haha.
a good imitation, and maybe even if the sound is used in a large mix. But the complexity and fullness and mid strength of the real rhodes really stands out.
This is very close especially considering one is played on full size keys and the other on mini keys. Also consider how difficult it would be to play the same passages with the exact same nuance.
adamandlorraine dude/dudes, I actually appreciate how much effort you have put in to comment this on so many videos. Usually that spam is annoying, but this was damn helpful to me, and I’ve noticed a lot of other people as well, and it just made the instrument all the more attractive as a purchase to me, a nice bit of icing on the cake. So cheers for the tip mate, I’m looking forward to picking one up this week 👍🏼
@@CommissionerManu that's ok. I enjoy watching CP videos and just chuck the odd comment in to make sure everyone knows there is this sound hidden away.
T.I.N Mateus I was getting it second hand, but the seller pulled out last minute unfortunately, so I’m back on the hunt. Pretty sure some stores here in Aus still have them, but I have noticed lower stock lately when looking online 🤔
@@CommissionerManu I pre paid one ,waiting the store to receive it,otherwise it doesn't stay long in the stores,these ones sell like hot cackes,I even wrote to Yamaha to produce more quantity of CP keyboards and to provide their retailers with enough stock,cause there's an obvious constant demand.These refaces are future classics,same like microKorg was.
I want to point a thing out for everyone who says that one sounds "thicker" (or somthing liek that) than the other: This is probably just because of this not being played by a MIDI cable. It's probably just a thing of volume, it can easily make you believe one sounds better than the other.
I'm sorry, but what you're saying makes no sense to me. The sound of the CP is being recorded straight from it's outputs. Whether you play the CP's own keyboard or control it with via MIDI with another keyboard, it would not sound any different.
@@darwinsaye i think he meant that with a full keyboard action you might have more midi velocity and so more subtle difference between the difference finger pression . So it might sound different , even if he engine is the same. Think of a keyboard with the velocity on full on every note , it would sound different than a velocity sensistive keyboard . Same think here cause the action is shorter so velocity is reduce
On the Clavinet you're using CB pickup config while the Reface seems to be using the DB config, so it's kind of an unfair comparison. Aside from that the comparisons with the Rhodes and Wurlitzer were cool, and you play very nicely.
To me one of the biggest difference are the low and high ends of the instrument, the reface lacks some weight in the lower register (especially the Rhodes modes) and maybe some brightness and punch in the high end. But it's so marginal, that the form factor, probability and price more than make up for it.
Yeah the reface definitely seems a bit thinner/less bass-y, but it also sounds a bit quieter/lower output in some of these comparisons, so pushing the gain on it a bit might help that to some degree (obv not completely though). But then I also see plenty of people running the reface through pedals, so there's extra opportunity there to shape/sculpt the sound a bit too
almost went with the CS, but so glad i went with the CP. its much more satisfying & i love playing such a great electromechanical piano sound... happier this way more than trying to spend time FINDING sounds in the CS.
@@meksykstudio5150 eventually, for synthesis, maybe the CS might get purchased. dont get me wrong, it's a cool instrument. just value the enjoyment of tone and playability the CP offers straight away.
@@meksykstudio5150 Its absolutely amazing that a $400 little keyboard can replicate over $10000 worth of instruments close enough for you to even compare, never mind say which one you prefer. well played Yamaha
@@meksykstudio5150 I use a Roland electronic drumset. Moving it, far outweighs some small sonic inferiorities, that my old Ludwig set actually weighs. !
i think it does the rhodes close to spot on...the wurlitzer sound seems to lack a bit of the fundamental and/or lower overtones, so the CP sound a little brighter than the Wurlitzer...But it seems just the opposite on the Clavinet, which sounds brighter than the CP (which I would not have expected)...All said, the CP overall sounds great.
You're right. With proper amplification and EQ they would be really close, though. The reface is obviously a compromise but it sounds so much better than it should and it's more intuitive to use than virtual instruments in a DAW, IMO.
The differences are marginal and everyone stating otherwise is just trying to show off. I’m a mix no one will notice without further suspicion, and frankly it won’t matter. Of course it’s a different feeling as a player, but with an external master keyboard this package, as hardware, is as good it as it gets in terms of quality, price, portability, effects and style.
Nice video - I have a reface CP as well as a similar collection of vintage keys. (Except for the D6 - haven't had an opportunity to pick one up yet) While the sounds are good - they don't really compare to the real thing. But to be fair - I only spent $400 on my reface CP while I've got over $10k in my Rhodes, Wurlitzer, CP-70b, and Hammond B3. And I took my reface CP camping!
Great video! Would love to know how you got the CP so close to the Rhodes? how are we hearing it - through an amp, or DI? have you done much to it in post? Thanks so much
@@meksykstudio5150 wow!! It really does sound very close. Closest emulation to instrument I've heard - especially with the tremolo masking some of the difference. Both sound fantastic. Thanks so much for the response, and the awesome video!
Definitely doesn’t sound that way. Have to hook it up to a larger midi keyboard but as far as I know the tiny keys have 127 velocity increments. I recently got one from ebay, always wanted one since they came out and even on the little keys it’s so rewarding to play. Hook it up to a full size controller and it’s unbelievable imho
What about the shades of intensity at contrasted velocities ? At this moment we could see if we're hearing the multilayering. And try the highest notes to hear if there's aliasing. Thank you for your demo ! So much stuff and delicious funky rythms
Why o why don't yamaha make a full-size keyboard that combines CP and YC. Those old-style controls and stomp box style effects are rad, it's what everyone wants EDIT: not to mention that sound-wise it really does the job.
I thought about that too...And the truth I suspect is we should be happy we can get these sounds now for 399$. Its basically a brain that you can midi to. Id love a keyboard with the CP and YC combined...But how would its sell? Its a more niche market I think. I mean look at Vintage Vibes original tine EPs. They're 5000$ USD but they're amazing. They're not pumping them out like hot cakes I don't think. It does suck, and maybe they'll finally put one out, but for now there's always a midi controller
@@LiberLotus I mean I use MIDI controllers and been thinking about getting a Reface CP and YC and modding them into modules but I don't really like using a MIDI controller in the first place, I like "whole" instruments with keys or pads. Not to mention controllers tend to be butt-ugly and focused on DAW (this is now finallly changing with Novation and Arturia) when some of us are interested in hardware and Eurorack. So for rhodes, organ, clav, acoustic piano we still need romplers but they haven't really made them fun to use. except for those Yamaha Reface... I know a lot of song or score writers opt for these mega workstation type keyboards with internal sounds like the really expensive Yamaha and Roland ones but those things may have the sounds you want and beautiful sounds but they're just not fun. With thousands of presets and shit. Give me a Rhodes with an analog monosynth and an acoustic piano and organ sound and I wont' ask for much. Imagine a double-decker 61-key board were the bottom deck is weighted and the to no. So you have all your pianos on the bottom and the top used for organ and synths. Pianos could be ROMpled (modelling is total overkill), Organ modelled (or ROMpled), and a real analog engine for the synth. And comes in its own box. Like the super funk gig machine. I've been wanting this keyboard for years! And it would have controls like the CPs. Aaaaanyway
@@LiberLotus I forgot to say that you can find the reface for like 350 each, because of course the intro price was too steep. So that's 700 euros. If Yamaha were to take those panels connect it to a decent keyboard with split capacity and options for semi-weighted or hammer action and 61 or 73 keys style and how much more would you have pay 700 would be a huge premium. So the whole board would be 1400, the price of a Crumar Mojo 61 and loads more user-friendly. Yamaha have done some cool things lately with the YC61 and the CP pianos so tehy probably would feel it might encroach on that market but virtually any manufacturer could make a board like that for such a price.
rhodes is basically spot on except when the rhodes is played hard wurlitzer is lacking something, it just doesn't sound full clav is pretty good but it does sound a bit synthetic
To my ears the most noticeable differences are between the Reface Wurly and the real Wurly: The real Wurly is much warmer and has more tonal subtleties depending on how hard/soft the keys are struck, while the Reface is very bright and basically sounds the same tonally regardless of the player's touch. I'll also wager that the Wurly used for the Reface samples probably sounds/plays differently from the one used in this video, as each Wurly tends to have its own unique tonal and sonic quirks. But then, you can't have everything given the Reface's price point and portability...at least not yet. Great demo BTW, thanks for posting.
keep in mind that the reface CP uses essentialy a software emulation. also the difference heard is that the reface is a bit less pronounced, a bit softer actually, compared to the full sound of the wurly
I really love the sound of the Wurlitzers, and I just can't like the sound the Reface produces (which sound just like the one in the CK61/88 too). I hope Yamaha improve that part of the sound engine for future versions of those keyboards.
I just sent mine back. The keys are very very small. The sound volume without amplification is so low. Not a problem if you want to always use an amp. But I was looking for something small and light that I could just place on my lap. Too small, too light. My search for a keyboard will continue.
You can connect it via midi to any stage piano or midi controller. Much easier to pull up to a gig with a tiny thing and a midi cable and just plug into the house keyboard.
@@MelBrooksOfficial. Exactly. Honestly if it was big I wouldn't even have bothered and just bought keyscape. I can always bring this thing, it sounds surprisingly good through the little speakers too and I can just play while in the train with headphones of if I have some downtime. I can bring it to any jam session or gig and hook it up to the stage piano and amp. The hidden piano sound adds the brightness that my digital piano is lacking and combined they create a beautiful, lush tone that feels and sounds better than some grands I've played. One of the best pieces of musical gear I've ever purchased.
@@MelBrooksOfficial. - I just wish they made it as a desktop unit. Those little keys get in the way of making adjustments on the fly. I might rebox mine as a desktop synth, but I'm lazy so I probably wont.
The differences are small,the real instruments have more weight to their tone,but,the CP is 95% there.It's enough for me.
Same for me
5lb 95% stage piano with FX
@@infn8loopmusicgood compromise
Reface CP rocks. Mine is so inspiring, just give it some attitude and it's as real as anything if you want it to be..
Like a human
after some years of waiting, and re-re-re-re-rewatching your video finally I bought the reface cp!
Thinking about getting it, Do you like it ?
@@Charlyaraya I'd say get it. It's a great key to have around your house and for travel :)
i bought the reface cp, then watched this video. and im rewatching.
The thing with vintage eps is each one will have slight variance in tone and require maintenance. The reface sounds very believable and is will require a lot less maintenance in the long run. Own one, and love it
The CP is one of the greatest pieces of gear I’ve ever purchased
If only every demo video was this well done. I want this on my playlist. 👌
What an excellent collection you have, and what an excellent demonstration this is! Hats off to you :) Reface CP is certainly a tiny force to be reckoned with!
Thank you Bro!
This comparison makes me love my brand new little $360 CP even more than I already did.
Must be nice having all those vintage keyboards looking so delectable. Would be my dream come true!
I own and it is surprising how good it sounds. I can't stand those mini keys. I either midi it up to my main keyboard - Yamaha MX88, or use my Roland A-37 controller. The onboard speakers sound like a bad transistor radio. You can shut them off by powering down the Reface CP, then holding down the lowest D note, power up the unit and that shuts off the onboard speakers. The unit sound great through nice sound system speakers.
@@Keyboardman88 I finally just received my Reface CP off backorder from GC and it is DA BOMB! Sounds amazing-all except that annoying Toy Piano. The designers must have been smoking some powerful stuff when they thought up that one! 🙄 And yeah, the mini-keys and speakers suck too. I only intend to use it via midi as a sound module with my Roland Juno DS88 being the master-board. The Vintage EP sounds are magnificent and worth putting up with the aforementioned drawbacks. I would definitely buy it again! And thanks for the info on how to disable the speakers!
@@REM977 There is a modification shown on UA-cam that eliminates the Toy Piano.
@@REM977 Have you found the hidden acoustic piano?
@@Keyboardman88 Yeah, but it never stays in position and always slips into either of the adjacent settings as soon as I start playing. 🙄 How SUPER annoying it is that Yamaha failed to recognize that an acoustic piano is WAY more valuable to a piano player than a ridiculous toy piano. I love Tchaikovsky but give me a break! lol
Who else just really likes both of them. and this mans playing. Nice
Recently got a Reface cp, always wanted one since they came out but couldn’t justify it. Have to say it sounds incredible. I have a Montage 6 and honestly the ep’s on the Reface sound better especially the grunt that you want from a rhodes when you dig into the keys. Running it to a midi controller is a must but even on full size synth keys because of the sound it is so rewarding to play, that’s the best word I can think to describe it. Worth every penny
The Reface Cp sounds so good! Yes with good headphones i can definiately hear the more richness of the real e-pianos. But once you effect on that, and imagine listening to it in a band-mix, those differences because so small.
What i am saying is: as an listener, or audience member, i would be moved and touch by the Reface CP.
They reface is def a little bit thinner, just a little bit less of that bassy body BUT not anything you’d miss or notice in a track or just hearing it not side by side
I want one :)
I sometimes wonder if this is a reactionary measure; it's easier to mix in low end, but taking it out is tricky because the overtones cloud up the mids. Generally, I *think* that my argument is to go for pure authenticity, but I don't think that's necessarily the best case all the time unless it's something like a TS-808 where, in isolation, it's easier to mix and has always been more of a foundational structure to reinforce with more exaggerated EQ as you go.
Conversely, I feel like the advent of "bedroom guitarists" resulted in guitar amps having so much low end that it amazes me how many people I've played with that don't know how to cut some lows for a live bassist to be audible.
Nice demo, thank you. And Yamaha seems to have done a really good job with this little CP.
I have the old Yamaha KX88. Even though it’s just a “controller” it makes everything sound better. Can’t wait to plug it into a CP.
When they introduced the whole Reface series everybody was very critical about the small keys and the price which was $500 at launch. I am happy to see these are quite popular now. For a while you couldn’t find them.
Still trying to find a reface YC organ.
Love the play style, and its vibe, thank you for making this video :)
On the Wurlitzer, the CP cuts the sound too abruptly on note releases, but in a mix, no one would notice. And for a fraction of the price of real pianos, you get a very convincing emulation. BTW, there's an easter egg in the Yamaha Reface CP: if you put the piano type selector in between two models, and power on the unit, you get a Grand Piano sound!
What % of your time is spent "in a mix" with a Reface CP?
@@ChrisP3000x Why couldn’t you record this? Why couldn’t you perform live with this?
@@estebanb7166 What % of your time is spent "in a mix" with a reface CP?
@@ChrisP3000x Is your brain broken? Take care, now.
@@estebanb7166 You refuse to answer a simple question.
AWESOME!i have just been resold on this line.
Absolutely brilliant.
Thank you for sharing your talent and genius in creating this demonstration.
Thank you for the great video! The Wurlitzer sounds the best in my opinion. You have a stunning collection of keyboards there.
Mn. Narek Thank you very much!!!
Brilliant demo.....Definitely sold it to me. 🙏
Thank you Frank!
I bought it I keep it. And yes I have Keyscape, a real Feurich 1,90m Grand Piano at home and a Kawai ES-8, so I am not in need of something cheap. This thing is a beast and is worth every penny.
1. You can use it as a midi controller for example for Keyscape, LogicPro
2. You can connect with a 3€ midi cable with an 88 midi keyboard and use just the sounds
3. If you use on D.Delay full open two knobs, you have a simple cool loop function
4. If you switch on while the know between two instruments, you can play a very nice clean piano sound
5. You can use 6xAA betteries/accu and you can play for hours
6. Internal speakers are for its site amazing, ten times better than Akai mini Play for example
7. All knobs and faders are solid, super overall built quality
8. Keybed is so far best I had under my fingers with 3 octaves...
9. I DONT get paid for this, I payed with my hard earned money and I am happy some months already. This is like the ES8, it will stay at home, quality, sound and feel are great.
I agree with almost everything you have listed....except for the speakers. I find them lacking...and the headphone out isn't much better.
I just wish they’d make a hammer action 64 key model like Roland did with the rd64. A lightweight bread and butter workhorse for gigging.
Obviously if you've got to play the 3 originals, it's about the keybeds on each that give them character. But, the Clavinet is a bit frustrating due to it's short throw keys. There's also the obvious mechanics involved in all 3. But can be very expensive to maintain and repair. You can't drag them all over the place. Yes the reface needs a weighted controller. I would take the keys off the reface and make it a module with a quick Dremel cut. The decision is obvious. The ultimate goal since synths came out was to get that sound in a portable package. Finally it's here. All 3 for $450, no brainer. You can buy a Lambo to get you around town. You can also fix up a beater to do the same basic thing. A good pool player can beat you with the stick off the wall, even tho he owns an expensive one. It's all in the final results of what you're trying to accomplish. Play music.
As a Rhodes MK1 owner I'm Impressed with the Reface in this video, but you can tell it's synthesized with a close ear because every Rhodes has different characteristics from tine to tine and voicing alone is never perfect. And the Reface has a very consistent sound note to note like a synth. In a mixed track with effects you might not notice the difference but I don't think it'll feel the same as sitting with a Rhodes. Keyscape is pretty amazing though, especially through a big system, it can really feel like my Rhodes aside from fact that it feels pre mixed where my Rhodes doesn't unless I'm tracking it with effects
No listener or audience member is going to notice a detail like that or care.
I agree, but I think it's one of the strengths of the CP. Playing a real rhodes, those inconsistencies are part of the charm, but those types of inconsistencies quickly become irritating when I hear them in samples. It's why I adore the rhodes found in the CP1, CP5 and CP4. Authentic, but kind of enhanced at the same time.
@@dynoroad yeah I can agree, there’s positives for both, the CP is cool too because you have so many tones on hand really quickly, paired with pedals or effects it’s even better and it’s a sound we’re becoming used to on modern music. But I’d say it depends on the Rhodes itself, the inconsistency should be super minimal if it’s a good Rhodes, like some tines have a little more bell and some sound a little warmer but very minimally, it just brings it to life a little more, if it’s starting to sound irritating then I’d say that Rhodes probably needs a good setup and restoration haha. I fully restored mine and you can hear it in a video on my channel, it sounds brand new, beautiful stereo tremolo, upgraded preamp, internals completely redone etc. I’ve thought about making it into a Kontakt instrument but there’s so many Rhodes out there already, I dont know if there’s a RetroFlyer Rhodes though so maybe I’ll do it some day!
Excellent demo video here. Nice work ..
The clavinet is kind of hollow and harsh but everything else sounds absolutely incredible. Hard to believe.
Rhodes yes. the Wurly don't get it. Impressive re the Rhodes yes. and the Clav is a disaster ha. You can't cheat a Clav
All sound pretty dang good, especially for an affordable/portable set of keys
I agree. It's hard for me to tell the difference. Bro did you know the You can also connect the Reface to a master keyboard?
This gives you full 88 key freedom!
@@christhedemocrat Forsure, in a mix I doubt you'd be able to hear any different. Mind you I find on mine the 1st Rhodes sound has a weird pitch in the lower octaves.
Yeah its rad they have midi out! Im missing my breakout cable so stuck with the mini keys for now haha.
a good imitation, and maybe even if the sound is used in a large mix.
But the complexity and fullness and mid strength of the real rhodes really stands out.
The Rhodes and the Wurly are spot-on. The Clavinet sounded the most different, but still pretty darn close. Excellent video, thanks!
David Paul Thx!
This is very close especially considering one is played on full size keys and the other on mini keys. Also consider how difficult it would be to play the same passages with the exact same nuance.
Very nice sounds dude! Must be awesome to own the real instruments! :D
Thank you very much!!!
Amazing vid beautifully done
It sounds amazing. Guys, close your eyes and listen with monitoring speakers. Who is who? We talk about sound, not feeling, touch and beauty...
Don't forget the hidden acoustic piano sound on the CP!
adamandlorraine dude/dudes, I actually appreciate how much effort you have put in to comment this on so many videos. Usually that spam is annoying, but this was damn helpful to me, and I’ve noticed a lot of other people as well, and it just made the instrument all the more attractive as a purchase to me, a nice bit of icing on the cake. So cheers for the tip mate, I’m looking forward to picking one up this week 👍🏼
@@CommissionerManu that's ok. I enjoy watching CP videos and just chuck the odd comment in to make sure everyone knows there is this sound hidden away.
@@CommissionerManu Where are you from?Cause in Europe its out of stock everywhere.
T.I.N Mateus I was getting it second hand, but the seller pulled out last minute unfortunately, so I’m back on the hunt. Pretty sure some stores here in Aus still have them, but I have noticed lower stock lately when looking online 🤔
@@CommissionerManu I pre paid one ,waiting the store to receive it,otherwise it doesn't stay long in the stores,these ones sell like hot cackes,I even wrote to Yamaha to produce more quantity of CP keyboards and to provide their retailers with enough stock,cause there's an obvious constant demand.These refaces are future classics,same like microKorg was.
I want to point a thing out for everyone who says that one sounds "thicker" (or somthing liek that) than the other: This is probably just because of this not being played by a MIDI cable. It's probably just a thing of volume, it can easily make you believe one sounds better than the other.
It could also be a matter of keyboard action ....
I'm sorry, but what you're saying makes no sense to me. The sound of the CP is being recorded straight from it's outputs. Whether you play the CP's own keyboard or control it with via MIDI with another keyboard, it would not sound any different.
@@darwinsaye i think he meant that with a full keyboard action you might have more midi velocity and so more subtle difference between the difference finger pression . So it might sound different , even if he engine is the same. Think of a keyboard with the velocity on full on every note , it would sound different than a velocity sensistive keyboard . Same think here cause the action is shorter so velocity is reduce
Wurlitzer is the best emulation on Reface CP.
everything CP is emulating,is the best.
Dang! Excellent work. Yamaha owes some money!
On the Clavinet you're using CB pickup config while the Reface seems to be using the DB config, so it's kind of an unfair comparison. Aside from that the comparisons with the Rhodes and Wurlitzer were cool, and you play very nicely.
Sold! I need the DX-7 one too!
Brilliant demonstration!
great great video and improvisation samples!
Would love to see the CP-70 side by side comparison as well :D
damn! no way. killer demo
lol ikr
Honey, I shrunk the Rhodes!
- Again Dear?! This is the 3rd time this week!
To me one of the biggest difference are the low and high ends of the instrument, the reface lacks some weight in the lower register (especially the Rhodes modes) and maybe some brightness and punch in the high end. But it's so marginal, that the form factor, probability and price more than make up for it.
Yeah the reface definitely seems a bit thinner/less bass-y, but it also sounds a bit quieter/lower output in some of these comparisons, so pushing the gain on it a bit might help that to some degree (obv not completely though). But then I also see plenty of people running the reface through pedals, so there's extra opportunity there to shape/sculpt the sound a bit too
And to be fair thisis easily fixed with an eq pedal or filter
Absolutely, and most of the difference can be made up for with some inline, or post EQ.
Reface is just a tad thinner in sound, but I actually prefer the Reface Wurly, it sounds like it's got a little more bite on it.
Still waiting for the MIDI cords, plan on controlling this with a weighted 88. Hoping for an astounding union of the two.
Midi cables are included, after all...
@meksykstudio5150 Right but only a short "Y" connector.
@meksykstudio5150 MIDI cord included but too short. Had to order MIDI extensions.
almost went with the CS, but so glad i went with the CP. its much more satisfying & i love playing such a great electromechanical piano sound... happier this way more than trying to spend time FINDING sounds in the CS.
Reface CS is also a great instrument! The more so that you can memorize sounds and share them on the Internet by Soundmondo...
@@meksykstudio5150 eventually, for synthesis, maybe the CS might get purchased. dont get me wrong, it's a cool instrument. just value the enjoyment of tone and playability the CP offers straight away.
Did you find the hidden acoustic piano ? Place instrument selector dial between two instruments, and then power up the CP.
Great video! just bought one for myself
Thank you!
Very nice studio!
good job yamaha cp
OK, your doing a gig. What would you rather carry - two different Rhodes and a Clav...or the CP and a good piano action controller?
A drummer's thought. Very close, but analog still wins. Warmer
Yes. Of course you are right, but reface easier to transport:)
@@meksykstudio5150 Its absolutely amazing that a $400 little keyboard can replicate over $10000 worth of instruments close enough for you to even compare, never mind say which one you prefer. well played Yamaha
@@meksykstudio5150 I use a Roland electronic drumset. Moving it, far outweighs some small sonic inferiorities, that my old Ludwig set actually weighs. !
The sound of original Rhodes is more refined and elegant.
I can hear the biggest difference in the Clavs.
jedwabiste porównanie - biorąc pod uwagę całokształt - CP gniecie :)
Ordered one yesterday, music shop said about 8 weeks for delivery.
i think it does the rhodes close to spot on...the wurlitzer sound seems to lack a bit of the fundamental and/or lower overtones, so the CP sound a little brighter than the Wurlitzer...But it seems just the opposite on the Clavinet, which sounds brighter than the CP (which I would not have expected)...All said, the CP overall sounds great.
To my ears the Rhodes and Wurli are pretty close, although not exact. The Clavinet however is a lot more noticeably different from the CP
You're right. With proper amplification and EQ they would be really close, though. The reface is obviously a compromise but it sounds so much better than it should and it's more intuitive to use than virtual instruments in a DAW, IMO.
Fantastic!
Oh tnx... now I need that Reface.
Goodbye money, my old friend 🥺
lowdown on the clav nice touch brother
not bad for a mini keyboard
Very nice video! Thank you!
hey there could you please do a Yamaha Reface YC vs Hammond, Vox, Farfisa, Ace Tone & Yamaha?
The YC is very good. If you don't mind the small keys, it's a great purchase and sounds fantastic.
The differences are marginal and everyone stating otherwise is just trying to show off. I’m a mix no one will notice without further suspicion, and frankly it won’t matter. Of course it’s a different feeling as a player, but with an external master keyboard this package, as hardware, is as good it as it gets in terms of quality, price, portability, effects and style.
What % of your playing time is spent "in a mix" with a Reface CP?
Brawo Yamaha Reface CP! 👌👏
Nice video - I have a reface CP as well as a similar collection of vintage keys. (Except for the D6 - haven't had an opportunity to pick one up yet) While the sounds are good - they don't really compare to the real thing. But to be fair - I only spent $400 on my reface CP while I've got over $10k in my Rhodes, Wurlitzer, CP-70b, and Hammond B3. And I took my reface CP camping!
I used to have these tones on my Casio and then one day it is gone.
Wow that reface does a good job!!! But....Nothing does the Clav like a D6!!
Nice playing 🎹
The real Wurly sounds great and so much deeper. Wanna get the Wurly after that.
i would say they both sound the exact, but i think the rhodes got more tonality might because of its weighted keys and how you'd play on weighted keys
Best AB comparison I’ve seen yet hands down. What can you do if want to change the pick up sound on the clavinet ? Thx
Unfortunately, The Clav on the Reface is the basic sound...You can add Wah, Reverb, over drive, and delays.
thank you...
Reface CP……いいね！
とてもいいだよねええ！I bought it a week ago and love it alot
Great video! Would love to know how you got the CP so close to the Rhodes? how are we hearing it - through an amp, or DI? have you done much to it in post?
Thanks so much
Thank you very much! The signal is recorded directly from the CP outputs. Each Rhodes sounds different, my one is very similar to CP.
@@meksykstudio5150 wow!! It really does sound very close. Closest emulation to instrument I've heard - especially with the tremolo masking some of the difference. Both sound fantastic. Thanks so much for the response, and the awesome video!
only the clavi there is a pronounced difference in sound. the clavi sounds more open but reface is slightly muted
Nothing a good compressor or slight envelope can't fix haha
What about the dynamics of the reface sound ? Is it convincing, or the velocity resolution is small with one sample per note ?
Definitely doesn’t sound that way. Have to hook it up to a larger midi keyboard but as far as I know the tiny keys have 127 velocity increments. I recently got one from ebay, always wanted one since they came out and even on the little keys it’s so rewarding to play. Hook it up to a full size controller and it’s unbelievable imho
I think a basic compressor would improve the CP... I'll try putting a milkbox with it once it finally ships :D
What about the shades of intensity at contrasted velocities ? At this moment we could see if we're hearing the multilayering. And try the highest notes to hear if there's aliasing.
Thank you for your demo ! So much stuff and delicious funky rythms
Why o why don't yamaha make a full-size keyboard that combines CP and YC. Those old-style controls and stomp box style effects are rad, it's what everyone wants EDIT: not to mention that sound-wise it really does the job.
I thought about that too...And the truth I suspect is we should be happy we can get these sounds now for 399$. Its basically a brain that you can midi to. Id love a keyboard with the CP and YC combined...But how would its sell? Its a more niche market I think. I mean look at Vintage Vibes original tine EPs. They're 5000$ USD but they're amazing. They're not pumping them out like hot cakes I don't think. It does suck, and maybe they'll finally put one out, but for now there's always a midi controller
@@LiberLotus I mean I use MIDI controllers and been thinking about getting a Reface CP and YC and modding them into modules but I don't really like using a MIDI controller in the first place, I like "whole" instruments with keys or pads. Not to mention controllers tend to be butt-ugly and focused on DAW (this is now finallly changing with Novation and Arturia) when some of us are interested in hardware and Eurorack. So for rhodes, organ, clav, acoustic piano we still need romplers but they haven't really made them fun to use. except for those Yamaha Reface... I know a lot of song or score writers opt for these mega workstation type keyboards with internal sounds like the really expensive Yamaha and Roland ones but those things may have the sounds you want and beautiful sounds but they're just not fun. With thousands of presets and shit. Give me a Rhodes with an analog monosynth and an acoustic piano and organ sound and I wont' ask for much. Imagine a double-decker 61-key board were the bottom deck is weighted and the to no. So you have all your pianos on the bottom and the top used for organ and synths. Pianos could be ROMpled (modelling is total overkill), Organ modelled (or ROMpled), and a real analog engine for the synth. And comes in its own box. Like the super funk gig machine. I've been wanting this keyboard for years! And it would have controls like the CPs. Aaaaanyway
@@LiberLotus I forgot to say that you can find the reface for like 350 each, because of course the intro price was too steep. So that's 700 euros. If Yamaha were to take those panels connect it to a decent keyboard with split capacity and options for semi-weighted or hammer action and 61 or 73 keys style and how much more would you have pay 700 would be a huge premium. So the whole board would be 1400, the price of a Crumar Mojo 61 and loads more user-friendly. Yamaha have done some cool things lately with the YC61 and the CP pianos so tehy probably would feel it might encroach on that market but virtually any manufacturer could make a board like that for such a price.
TROGULAR 10,000 the new YC61 by Yamaha does both and adds FM sounds in full size waterfall keys
I agree. It would be a flagship for them
🤠✌🏻CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!!🤠✌🏻
It has some problems in up register clav. But over all pretty amazing
Nice studio, thanks for vid :)
Thank you!
Thank you!
Sounds great...the only thing is the smallish keys but I have an M-Audio 61 key w/full size keys midi controller to rectify that.
rhodes is basically spot on except when the rhodes is played hard
wurlitzer is lacking something, it just doesn't sound full
clav is pretty good but it does sound a bit synthetic
Whirly is a little brighter on the CP than on the actual instrument...but little EQ could take care of that.
Wow. Sold.
0:09 great chords
Wow that sounds close
To my ears the most noticeable differences are between the Reface Wurly and the real Wurly: The real Wurly is much warmer and has more tonal subtleties depending on how hard/soft the keys are struck, while the Reface is very bright and basically sounds the same tonally regardless of the player's touch. I'll also wager that the Wurly used for the Reface samples probably sounds/plays differently from the one used in this video, as each Wurly tends to have its own unique tonal and sonic quirks. But then, you can't have everything given the Reface's price point and portability...at least not yet. Great demo BTW, thanks for posting.
keep in mind that the reface CP uses essentialy a software emulation. also the difference heard is that the reface is a bit less pronounced, a bit softer actually, compared to the full sound of the wurly
I really love the sound of the Wurlitzers, and I just can't like the sound the Reface produces (which sound just like the one in the CK61/88 too). I hope Yamaha improve that part of the sound engine for future versions of those keyboards.
Thats a lot of stereo delay lol love it
I just sent mine back. The keys are very very small. The sound volume without amplification is so low. Not a problem if you want to always use an amp. But I was looking for something small and light that I could just place on my lap. Too small, too light. My search for a keyboard will continue.
Is this really true?
yes, really real :) I have just ordered mine few days ago. 1.9kg, easy to carry, mobile and the sound amazing! Can't wait !
what is the song you play at 3:00??? it’s like a james brown tune or something
actually now i think it’s a barry white song 🤔
@@jezuzjuizeit's called. "Will you be my baby" 😮
Which James brown tune did that sound like?
@@walterharris7421 he gave an answer but it didn’t match to me
Ja nie wiem jak Ty to robisz..... Czary.... 🤘🤘🤘
Piter M Tak po prostu te instrumenty brzmią...
why they make it so small
You can connect it via midi to any stage piano or midi controller. Much easier to pull up to a gig with a tiny thing and a midi cable and just plug into the house keyboard.
@@MelBrooksOfficial. Exactly. Honestly if it was big I wouldn't even have bothered and just bought keyscape. I can always bring this thing, it sounds surprisingly good through the little speakers too and I can just play while in the train with headphones of if I have some downtime.
I can bring it to any jam session or gig and hook it up to the stage piano and amp. The hidden piano sound adds the brightness that my digital piano is lacking and combined they create a beautiful, lush tone that feels and sounds better than some grands I've played. One of the best pieces of musical gear I've ever purchased.
@@MelBrooksOfficial. - I just wish they made it as a desktop unit. Those little keys get in the way of making adjustments on the fly. I might rebox mine as a desktop synth, but I'm lazy so I probably wont.
Cool video. What do you prefer more, CP or YC?