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"Faith"-What Does Paul Mean? (N. T. Wright Q&A)
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2019
- Is Christian faith about having faith IN Jesus, or the faithfulness OF Jesus, or both? Scholar N. T. Wright responds here. Learn more in his book THE NEW TESTAMENT IN ITS WORLD: newtestamentwor....
I love Tom Wright! *What a gift to the Church!*
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Great job brother Wright! Thank you so much for sharing your vast knowledge with us. God bless you and your family.
Awesome video. Makes a lot of sense considering the Hebrew word for faith means exactly the same in context. I came here looking for answers and I found it B"H. I new it could not be an intellectual belief in doctrine. Thanks for the concise answer, I'm saving the video to my favorites and planning on sharing G-d bless.
In short as Michael Heiser once said- believing loyalty
John 6:38 NKJV
[38] For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
John 14:15 NKJV
[15] “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
This is exactly what i understood in my personal reading of Romans as from chapter 3 verse 21 onwards.. Before listening to NT Wright.
In sum: Those who are righteous through His faithfulness shall live...
And that righteousness comes from faith in Christ. I.E., trust.
I think Mr. Wright makes it very clear! Thank you!
Wonderful insight! Changed the way I see it!
This is good to have NT Wright actually exegetes a passage rather than give his ideas. It's grounded in the words of the text.
Tom Wright didn't discover this point , he adopted it from Richard Hays.
NT Wright is a false teacher who preaches the wrong Gospel.
Avoid NT Wright!!!!
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@jblester76 Hi, Of course the Gospel is Good News, it’s N.T. Wright that has been preaching the wrong Gospel. Regards Paul
Faith in Jesus faithfulness that He is who He says and He will do what He said He will do when we are in HIM ,HE WILL DO IT THREW US. Our mustard seed we put in His hand and The greater works will be done!!! Our faith mustard seed HIS FAITH UNSTOPPABLE!!!
Faith is what Jesus did in His faithfulness, wrought in the heart of those who hear the Good News, so that they can believe in, and follow Christ.
Belief/faith is simply being convinced something is true.
Faith in Christ is being convinced that Jesus is the Christ and His promise of everlasting life for you is true.
If you believe that through Jesus’ death and resurrection you will never perish and have everlasting life, you have believed the saving message and are eternally secure.
Amen brother
NT Wright will not respond to your questions and comments because this is not his vlog.
Paul says the Faith that saves is not of ourselves so that no man can boast it is a gift of God
Ephesians 2 : 8-9 When I came to Jesus Christ by the preaching of the cross I just believed &
God did all the work of saving me. Now I live from Faith to Faith, still by believing in Jesus Christ.
The antecedent in Ephesians 2:8,9 is not "faith" as many believe, as Calvinism, but the "grace through faith" statement. Calvinists try to paint faith as a work, but Scripture emphatically says faith is not a work. IT's just the opposite.
@@rosschenault4227 Ephesians 2:8,9 Is all the work of God, If you read the Five Solas of the Reformation, it fits these verses to the T of being all of God. Christians are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed by Scripture alone, to the glory of God alone. Thankx, Brother
I'm inclined to believe that it's both -- like having two creation accounts, we are meant to see both meanings. After all, it is literally the faithfulness of Jesus that saves us and rescues us and brings the Kingdom of God and us into it -- Jesus acted as the perfect representative of Israel, God's chosen nation, and brought God's plan of rescue of Israel to fruition on the Cross, by being obedient, even to death on a Cross. That saving work is appropriated by faith -- trust in the Messiahship of Jesus, trust that Jesus carried out the job of the Messiah on the Cross and in rising bodily from the dead. Dr. Wright is not advocating an "either/or" position, but a balance of two possible readings. We shouldn't be surprised by this kind of complexity and richness from the Bible; Paul was a considerable talent in his own right like a Shakespeare, and the classical position is that Romans and the Pauline letters carry God's authority, on the basis of evidence that Paul was conscious of his apostolic authority; and evangelicals tend to extend 2 Tim. 3:16 to New Testament writings, although that's probably a bit of a stretch.
Tom we are saved through our faith, which is a journey as the just shall live by faith, and through our complete trust and righteousness we seek to be justified by Christ, Galatians 2:17. Double Justification.
@Scott Speidel without doubt. Faith is to live justly. The just shall live by faith. Faith is belief in action. Patient continuance in well doing (or seek to be justified) according to the truth of God the Father, when we hold the truth in righteousness. Romans 1-2.
The covenant of atonement came by the cross, the covenant promise is eternal life for good works. Jesus changed the sacrificial works of the Law, to the law of good works. The obedience of faith.
@@simonskinner1450 Simon I read your saying; “Patient continuance in well doing (or seek to be justified)”. This almost sounds like justification through works, yet you noted the scripture “the just (justified) shall live by faith”, as “we are saved through faith, not of ourselves, nor works” Ephesians 2:8,9. So, I don’t understand your thoughts here.
Here is something I have observed about this very challenging scripture; “ Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:…” Romans 3:6,7. Paul, speaking of works (well doing) speaks of it as the “ordained” type, Ephesians 2:10, “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus 'unto' good works, which God has before ‘ordained’ that we should walk in them.” I once heard a preacher relate this scripture to a new pair of shoe’s, as when you get them, they come with strings! So, also with true salvation, as good works should follow, as in “unto good works”! Basically saying salvation comes with “no strings (works of our own, Ephesians 2:9) attached” but only those strings (works) ordained! So, as you well mentioned Romans 13, that Love works no ill to his neighbor: and is only accomplished by putting “… on the Lord Jesus Christ,” Romans 13:14, as He is both the “end” of the law and “beginning” of life!
John speaks of this same thing in 1 John 3:10, that there is manifest difference between the two children, and it is this, “love”. Thanks
@@petratical of course the text of Romans 2 is written to those baptised who hold the truth in unrighteousness. They will be judged by their deeds and not get eternal life but wrath.
And of course Ephesians 2:8 it is the "grace" which is not of ourselves, grace is the gift of God the Father. Faith is conviction in action, so it is our actions in good works we are saved through.
"Works" in Ephesians 2:9 are sacrificial works that were crucial in atonement in the old law. And St Paul explains through the passage of Ephesians 2:11-22 that sacrificial works have been replaced by good works. Salvation has 'strings attaced' as the mercy seat is now in heaven and we will be judged as Romans 2:16.
@@simonskinner1450 Works play no part at all in securing salvation. But afterwards Christians will 'prove' their faith by their works. Bottom line, works will follow those who are saved in Christ and have nothing to do with getting saved. Receiving salvation is by grace through faith, as faith is what save's, not works. As Jesus said in John 6:29; "This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent." Which goes along with John 3:16. A better way to say James 2:20; "faith without works is dead" is, faith without works never lived or D.O.A (dead on arrival). As James 2:18 say the same; "I will show you my faith by my works." These are the same "works" Paul was speaking of in Ephesians 2:10; the works that follow a believer, as such is ordained of God! No, works wont save, they show! James is not talking about being justified before God by works, but rather about works being evidence of our justification before God.
As you well pointed out saying; “ it is the ‘grace’ which is not of ourselves, grace is the gift of God the Father”. Right, so then, "…. if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace." Romans 11:6.
Therefore, “For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.” Hebrews 4:10,11.
Here it does "not" say, let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of not doing works. No, that labor (work) here mentioned is no other than that work of God, the same work that God ceased from doing (Hebrews 4:10) as Jesus said himself, “This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent.” John 6:29
The children of Israel had this unbelief too and it kept them out of the promised land, “But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?” So we see that (bottom line) those who, because of unbelief, did not enter. Hebrews 3:17-19.
Here it is being questioned as to what kept them out of the promised land (with Joshua the son of Nun), today it is the same that keeps us from the promise of eternal life (through Joshua the Son of God), as Joshua son of Nun is predecessor of Joshua Son of God and the conclusion in both case’s was; ”… they could not enter in because of unbelief.”Hebrews 3:19.
@@petratical my friend I see you mention belief and faith, and belief is to hear and obey, and faith is to believe and obey. And you do agree with good works to show faith, but not for salvation, or atonement which is the need of sacrifice. Grace is given in exchange for faith, not works, but this means not sacrificial atonement works. The old law required sacrificial works not good works, so grace is instead of sacrificial works, not instead of good works.
Jesus is our propitiation, which means he is our Mercy Seat, and his blood was not taken to the Mercy Seat in the Temple. The Mercy Seat is in heaven, that is why 1 Peter 1:2 has the procedure for salvation or atonement. Sanctification, unto obedience, and afterwards sprinkling of the blood in heaven. That is why we need faith in his blood to redeem us from our past sins.
The whole procedure is a technical one where the Temple was a type if Christ, and Leviticus 16 is replaced by Christ, but his judgement and Mercy Seat is in heaven.
The Jews lacked obedience so they lacked belief and faith. The law is righteousness, and the obedient keep the law. Revelation 22:14 is clear and so is Romans 2:16.
Thank you for all the uploads relating to this scholar.
At 4:02, in Other words Jesus Gospel Complimented the believers of the Old Testament. And unfortunately the history taught us that the believers of the Old Testament were instrumental in him being crucified!
Dallas Willard (RIP) and N.T. Wright both rare and both in possession of The deepest knowledge of the subject matter, both happen to be very highly methodical in transferring the knowledge with such extraordinary mastery of articulation and vocabulary skillsets.
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P.S. I've been always thought that circumcision happens to be a significant Step towards Much better hygiene Much better hygiene, Not becausd it is only a Jewish and Muslim practice.
Being saved is like saying the vows while getting married, it’s just the beginning, long walk ahead
Look to 4:28 for a summary.
Imagine faith like a double-sided coin. One side is Jesus' trust in God's plan, and the other is our trust in Jesus.
Jesus followed God's plan faithfully, even if it meant his death. This act was a special part of God's plan to save all people.
Now, how does this connect to us? What does our faith look like and how do we benefit?
Our faith is in God who acted through Jesus. When we believe this story - the gospel - we accept the good things that were planned for us.
Faith is "trusting God, Who justifies the ungodly". Trusting God in all He says. We are not justified by faith and faithfulness, we are justified by faith. True faith, by definition, has works, but those works do not justify. We are justified by faith alone. We are saved by grace through faith, and if you add anything to grace, it's no longer grace. If the faith that justifies has works, its no the same (grace through) faith that saves. Knowing that N.T. Wright, from what I understand, believes in conventantal nomism, making faith and faithfulness the same fits in well. Conventantal nomism is heresy.
Faith means literally living off faith, including our DAILY BREAD
Wonderfully said.
So, Tom comes full circle. It is the faithfulness of Jesus that gives us the cross, but as Tom says regarding Rom. 3:21-23, it is our faith in what Jesus did. Now keep in mind, our faith doesn't generate within us, but is itself a gift of God (Rom 12:3), but still none-the-less is acted upon by us to make the cross' objective gift a subjective reality within us. Faith, while not itself a virtue is simply the means by which we appropriate the gift of salvation. So then we have the larger picture in which to understand Gal 2:16 which in this case is pistis, and not pisteuo.
You explained that we are saved by the faithfulness of Jesus yet when the same word is applied to us you switched to believe or have faith. Why do you change the word from faithfulness to faith when it applies to us? Does the Greek word change from faithful to just believe when it is applied to us?
The semantic range of the noun form for faith contains both faith and faithfulness. Its cognate simply means believe/ have faith.
I think it's something to do with the Greek.
I'll bust out my Greek NT and check my Lexicon
@@mr_jchristian I have come to realize that we are not saved by a one time affirmation where we confess that we believe but a life time commitment of faith. Also faith and faithfulness are interconnected - one can not exist without the other without being real. True faith expresses itself with faithfulness. I was hoping to get an answer but never did. Mr. Write took one word and translated it as faithfulness when it applied to Chris but only translated the same word as faith when it applied to us. My opinion is that it is faithfulness when applied to us as well. Because we are in a partnership (covenant) with God. Chris was faithful and calls us to be faithful...
@@felixmarinjr.66 what you say makes sense. Faith and faithfulness and interlinked.
Thank you for sharing
I'm afraid this just doesn't make much sense to me, especially when I try to apply this to other passages in the scriptures. I tried substituting the concept of faithfulness for faith in Hebrews 11 - that classic chapter on faith. Well, you can do it, but It reads like I'm forcing a meaning onto this passage just for the sake of it. It's worth a try, but it just feels like a failed experiment.. It makes so much more sense when we just use the word faith (as in trust/belief) than faithfulness, as NT Wright would have it. Sorry, I'm sticking with faith IN Jesus. (Edited to add the following.)
In fact, for myself, I'm absolutely sure that NT Wright is wrong. First note that Wright himself, at the beginning of his explanation, explicitly allows for both formulations: "faithfulness OF" and "faith IN". For me, he's wrong because "the faithfulness OF Jesus" covers a very narrow category compared to "faith IN Jesus". Faithfulness OF Jesus covers, self-evidently, only Jesus's faithfulness, whereas faith IN Jesus encompasses EVERYTHING about the person of Christ, which INCLUDES his faithfulness. When the Lord said to Peter, "You of little faith, why did you doubt?", as he was sinking into the water after beginning to walk on it, he is not saying, why did you doubt my faithfulness. He's fundamentally saying, I, the LORD, just gave you permission, why did you doubt ME? That's why Hebrews 11 reads forced when we try to read into it faithfulness rather than faith. It's not about one aspect of God's character, it's talking about the WHOLE of God's character. The WHOLE of God is slighted when we do not trust him.
iRlc the man is a Progressive "Christian"
@@psalm1197 I don't mind giving Tom Wright a fair hearing. I understand that his work on the resurrection is top notch. However, I'm really struggling, scripturally, to agree with a lot, if any, of the theology his coming up with.
The elevation of the 4 gospels to some higher status within the New Testament I find no scriptural warrant for - only his say so.
His rediscovery of the Kingdom of God through the lens of the first century I find, in many ways, surprising - as though nobody knew about this before he stumbled onto it. He is a historian. He should know that missionaries, in particular, have known and put this into practice for centuries. I find that Wright has, perhaps unwittingly, denigrated their enormous contribution in bringing about the Kingdom of God and elevated his theology at their expense. It's only that in recent times the church seem to have indulged itself in navel gazing instead of reaching out into the community and the world that we seem to have forgotten this and are buying into his 'rediscovery' of first century Christianity.
His work on justification which, if I'm not mistaken, relies heavily on the notion of "faithfulness OF Christ" instead of "faith IN Christ", as with his take on the atonement - I want to be charitable - I find it most unsound.
Yeah it would depend on the context. Definitely don't force it. I mean we are saved by both regardless of what the writers meant in their specific writings, written to specific people, in a specific time. We are saved by Jesus faithfulness to God (and us) but we must also BE faithful to him and his words. Really not hard see in scripture but I understand some Church tradition makes it difficult to see, understand or accept.
Also incidentally I think the word faith by definition in their language meant faith and faithfulness.
In answer to Felix I’m not sure I understood faith to be exclusively faith or faithfulness according to NT Wright’s explanation. It can mean either one as translated from the Greek “pistis,” and in context. Perhaps an example of faithfulness on our part would be found in the Fruit of the Spirit in Galatians 5. I really appreciate Wright’s view of Christ’s faithfulness in these passages while maintaining our faithful response or human agency.
The covenant relies on the faithfulness of the promise of eternal life, and our faith to keep our promise to obey Christ, we the uncircumcision are justified THROUGH faith. Which is by the means of faith, which in turn is complete trust and the duty to fulfil that trust, which is how we shall live in the covenant.
Thank you for your reply. I suppose then that faith and faithfulness are interchangeable and one can not really exist without the other? If our faith is real we will be faithful and if we are faithful we demonstrate faith like Abraham did?
@@simonskinner1450 thank you Simon, I am thinking now that faith and faithfulness are the same thing - one perhaps is the beginning and the other the continuation or one is what is inside and the other displayed?
@@felixmarinjr.66 Apparently from the Greek the root is the same, I think it is how a sentence is constructed why faith or faithful is used. I believe the root of faith, believe and trust is the same, so the sentence dictates the choice of word, as they mean the same. And when we say we believe, that must mean we continue to believe, and are believing.
The special thing about BY or THROUGH faith is the context of each. BY is action, and THROUGH is means, or direct and indirect. The means for the uncircumcision is the covenant.
@@simonskinner1450 Thanks again. Your reply is very insightful. Have you by chance every checked out the Pioneer New Testament translation by Ruth Martin (free online) or the Good News Of Messiah new testament translation by Daniel Greg? They both use faithfulness in place of believe in their translations.
“loyally trusting in God’s loyalty”
Even Paul wrote it's not as if they had dominion over your Faith. And we don't have. Being it is a fruit of the Spirit.
Faith= (Knowledge)
Sooooo.... “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved? Or not?
Evidence of the things not seen. Faith is seen through future telling, it comes in the form of spiritual understanding and Godly connection. God created with the word of His mouth and things came into being. natural faith is also future telling. The essence of faith is future seed sowing. Supernatural faith is ability to determine our future through todays choices. Something which only God Himself can do.
He is faithful when I am faithless
1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 4:10
Transformation involves faithfulness= & this is a sine qua non requirement of the message of inclusion in Gods extending family...
Tom, I wonder how you understand the concept of Hesed in terms of God's covenant faithfulness and the faithfulness of Jesus.
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I think he over complicates things
By grace through uh... Here we lack just the right word for 'pistis' as N T points out. Our understanding of faith is too biased toward that human faculty which is demanded by all religion, and that's certainly required for the Christian faith as well, but "persuasion" wouldn't be a bad substitute.
Therefore be "dogmatic," like a dog, as there is no animal more faithful.
What is a Gift? What is a gift of eternal life? Which I could never have deserved. What did Paul boast of? What about the thief on the Cross? What about not knowing anyone after the flesh any Longer. What about Love? The depth, height, breadth and Length of it? What about Ephesians 3. What about Faith works by Love. Who is Love? What about without Faith it is impossible to please God. I am persuaded that Jesus Christ Pleased the Father. We are in Christ and Christ in us. Just my thoughts. Thank you.
Jesus was faithful to his Father who raised him to heaven, and if we are faithful to our Lord Jesus Christ in his covenant, then the Father will be faithful to us and keep his promise of eternal life. Amen.
@Scott Speidel we are not asked physically to die on the cross, but spiritually. Serve sin or serve God. Be harmless and blameless, as sin is harm which you are blamed for, then don't commit sin. Romans 13:8-10.
Carnal Christians that are not "in Christ", and hold the truth in unrighteousness, are described in Romans 1:18-32. And as Romans 2:1 they condemn themselves.
Ask yourself. Am I Romans 1:18-32? or Romans 13:8-10?
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You have good doctrine, Simon. Sadly, few will hear you. Jesus bless you.
Romans 3:23-24 KJVS
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; [24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 2:8-10 KJVS
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
God justifies and sanctifies a ungodly man by His Spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:11 KJVS
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Faith is the vehicle that takes a man to salvation, grace is the fuel that powers salvation, that does the work.
Titus 2:11-12 KJVS
[11] For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, [12] Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 3:4-7 KJVS
[4] But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, [5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; [6] Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; [7] That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
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Luke Wagner Amen. NT Wright is a fraud I'm afraid
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Romans 1:25 KJVS
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
I like this definition for creature-Thayer's Definition
1. the act of founding, establishing, building etc
Many serve the denominational institution rather than God.
Luke Wagner Sir, what has that to do with my comment please?
Alexandra Hippisley Men serve the organizations they are affiliated with rather than God. Each denomination have certain doctrines that separate the body of Christ, some of which are contrary to the truth of the gospel. They do this for the love of money and power.
2 Peter 2:1-3 ESV
[1] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. [2] And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. [3] And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
Please pray for me. I have a spinal cord injury with chronic pain. Life is very hard for me.
Luke Wagner Yes, Sir, I will pray for you.
How does David Bentley Hart deal with this?
I think he interprets pistis as our faithfulness to Christ, meaning our striving to be Christ-like.
I like Dr. Wright. I've learned quite a bit from him. He makes me think. But, I don't agree with everything he says. When the Bible says that God created the earth in six days, I take that to mean 6 days of 24 hr each just like today. I don't take that metaphorically. I take it as face value that it means what it says.
Ancient civilizations would not have read that passage literally though. The creation story wasn’t written to be taken literally. It was to show that we serve a God who created humans to walk beside and live in harmony with. This story was to show how radically different our God is in comparison to other gods of ancient days. gods who created humans as slaves who serve their needs. Ancient civilizations would have picked up on this metaphor because the way stories were written and told in that day was very different than ours today.
Your interpretation and my interpretation are not salvation issues however, and I find it important that we remember that. To often we christians get bogged down on things that don’t matter in the grand scheme of things and let it divide us.
@@SirNunKakes I disagree with you. I take the Bible at face value. When it says God created the earth in six consecutive days of 24 hrs each, I believe that's what it means. There's no reason to think otherwise.
John Howard with all do respect, your wrong. Reading the book at face value and not in the context of the time it was written on and the people it was written to is very problematic.
@@SirNunKakes With all due respect, I believe I'm right. Jesus said of the Father, "Your word is truth". There are those things in scripture that are metaphorical, but most of the scriptures are meant to be taken at face value. The parting of the Red Sea, the plagues of Egypt, Elijah's fire from heaven, Jesus resurrection and the creation of the earth in six days. If the creation story is simply metaphorical then so are the rest which would make the scriptures pretty useless, just fables with a lesson, we can get that anywhere. But, if the stories really did happen, then we see the power of God.
John Howard one of the great things about Christianity is that we can disagree on non salvation issues such as this and still meet in heaven some day.
Then there is this third thing which is that Israel failed in being a light to the gentiles, so Jesus sent the Apostle Paul with the mystery message of the gospel of Grace and the dispensation of grace began. Yet, God has not cast off Israel. When the Body of Christ church is removed in the rapture, Daniel's 70th week will resume and God will resurrect Israel and they will be saved after much tribulation.
We have faith that the father will fulfill his promises IF we OBEY his word given by the prophets. Which is: REPENT, turn from sin, and the holy spirit will give us power to defeat the devil which is our carnal man. (This is the faithfulness OF christ in us). The holy spirit in us. It has nothing to do with believing a man died to cover all our sins. Didnt happen.
Its the faithfulness OF christ. Christ is the spirit of truth which was personified as a man in the gospels.
He's kind of right (excuse the pun) until he gets to the badge of those who are in the people of God. He is supposed to be a friend of Dr. Gordon Fee so he shouldnt ignore that the sine non qua (Fees words) of a christian (same idea as the badge) is the presence of the Holy Spirit. The badge is not faith. Anyone can claim to have faith.. but the Spirit comes to faith in the right message..the apostolic gospel Galatians 3:2
In additiom Scot Mcknight says the debate over faith in Christ or faithfulness of Christ is hardly interesting.. its not momumentual
I think the badge is faith
@@bobpolo2964long time ago..same
@@Liminalplace1 Huh?
@@bobpolo2964 I commented a long time ago..I d just repeat it
@@Liminalplace1 I think the Holy Spirit is the entailment of faith, the result of it. But he's not the badge. We live out our faith in the Spirit. We don't live out the Spirit.
Zondervan....if this is the author you support, then i'm never studying a zondervan published bible.
B v Zondervan publish New Age/paganism and Progressive "christian" authors....Zondervan no longer a true Christ-serving publishing house. Keep away from anything they publish.
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@@psalm1197 could you explain why? this is new to me
@@FeelFreeToThink don't bother listening to these commenters. N.T. Wright is a world class new testament and greek scholar. Beyond that he his a faithful servant of our Lord Jesus. These commenters likely belong to a "king james version only" fundamentalist cult and even if they don't they almost certainly couldn't hold a candle to Wright in terms of how they have served the kingdom of God or in terms of their biblical or linguistic knowledge.
This is a commercial to sell a book and DVD...lol
C'mon Bishop. Spit on a lump of mud, rub it in a blind man's eyes and restore his sight. John Chapter 9.
Dr Craig Keener on miracles
Wright is not in line with the Reformation nor with the Letter to Diognetus [c110] which encapsulated the Reformation doctrine of imputed righteousness. You would think on reading it that it had been penned by Calvin. The same can be said of a homily by Polycarp, student of John the apostle, and Chrysostom also whose works Calvin had translated into French. Thi Wright fellow is playing a verbal shell game but we are not fooled.
I used to like what he wrote until I saw how very wrong he is
Why bother to mention that if you are unwilling to share your differences?
Sorry, it’s hard to understand what this man is saying! You can make scripture mean what you say as long as you talk long enough to confuse whoever your talking to.
I think he's distinguishing faith as mere belief from faith as obedience.
No worries I’m here to help you, what part was confusing?
Most of NT Wrights thoughts and views on this subject are based upon a straw man
could you elaborate on this? The whole straw man thing still confuses me.
@@FeelFreeToThink He starts entirely from what the bible doesn’t say in order to question it or deny it. You will find that it is easy to detect what Tom Wright doesn’t believe, but much harder to detect what he does believe. It is necessary to analyse his academic sleight of hand. His assumption that Luther and Calvin et al were wrong is beyond arrogance
@@colinbirchall699Yes they were wrong, the Gospel is not head knowledge but the way of life. The works that Paul is referring to in Romans is Jewish nationalism and Jewish possession and knowledge of the law viewed as a badge of salvation by them, it was not some legalism salvation. Paul rebuked them for proclaiming the possession and knowledge of the law as Jews and then not obeying and following the law. Paul never rebuked them for doing many good works to earn salvation, that’s a total misunderstanding of Paul’s writings, it was projected into the Bible by people who were struggling with Catholic Church in medieval times.
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Hardly, they were wrong about many things. (And it is not arrogant to disagree with anyone. )
Who is Paul,he is no body,he may be a writer but he is not a prophet. He never had any thing to do with Jesus. Christianity should correct all mistakes or Christianity want be there anymore. Trust in God.❤️🙏
N.T.Wright will leave you more confused than before, and God is NOT the Author of confusion.
This discussion could not have been more clear. What confused you?
@@PETERJOHN101 In linguistic terms, it's the overloading of semantic primes.
Just the opposite my friend just the opposite for me. The head knowledge Gospel never made any sense to me, Jesus and the Creator never said just raise up your hands and say you believe but they always asked for loyalty and surrender
@@scootanow85loyalty is trusting in Christ. Your following of Christ and living for his glory doesn’t save you. That’s not the gospel.
@@KnightFel Thank you for the reply, this can be somewhat a hard topic. Loyalty is indeed trusting Jesus. How would you say someone can trust Jesus?
As far as the ladies are concerned, prostitutes go to Heaven simply because they are prostitutes (Matthew 21 verse 31). Pregnant women and women breastfeeding are going to Hell ( Matthew 24 verse 19). Only women who have never had children, go to Heaven (Luke 23 verse 29) "Many are called but few are chosen". says Jesus (Matthew 22 verse 14) Very few are chosen, I reply.
Sorry Bishop. You 've missed out..
Hard to believe people waste their life arguing over the meaning of phrases in fairytales originally told by illiterate
goat herders and subsequently badly transcribed by numerous scribes and later edited by others .
How much more worthwhile if all these theologians had devoted the time and effort to science or medicine .
Hard to believe people with to much time on thier hands want to roam the internet pocking their nose into something they have no faith in. Maybe if you had faith in the scripture, you may see you are the One.
And yet your the very testimony of there words David you little sinner you.
Not illiterate, bilingual at least, if not more (Greek, Aramaic, Latin). Not goat herders; fishermen, tax-collectors, PhD's, and MD's. Last, why do you trust the lower classes more than upper classes?
God chose the humble and not the contemptible, the righteous and not the Marxist. 😆😆
this guy is a quack.
How do you know?
Your avatar is the definition of quackery 🤣🤣🤣
the video image is too poor, you need to fix it more