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Something that I think is critically important between Diablo 4 and LE. In Diablo 4 the decisions made by their development team made it so hard to have a positive hope for the future of the game. LE is the complete opposite. It feels like the devs understand us and Arpg games. It feels like they listen, and care about what players want. From quality of life, itemization, experimentation, build diversity, itemization, STORAGE SPACE, and an item filter to name a few examples. Is LE perfect? No. Does it have some things that can be improved? Certainly. But the important part is that this game gives actual hope in the future that is rooted in witnessed dev team competence rather than copium.
Every time I've touched last epoch I've played for at least 9 hours non-stop. It's not as deep as POE but to be honest I dont want it to be. I want to pick talents to make my own build but isn't so overwhelming that I dont know where to start and they did a really solid job of striking that balance. i've played 20 hours so far since the 1.0 release and been having a blast. The end-game doesnt seem fun to me, but that's just because I dont like the idea of doing what appears to be endless grinding [the arena interests me though]. For $35 it's absolutely worth your time if you're interested in ARPGS in the slightest.
I would agree that PoE crafting has more depth, at the cost of vastly less accessibility, but would argue that PoE's general breadth is where it wins over LE. LE is definitely less hard work though.
Certainly, I think that maybe LE could be a good branching point into POE if they keep the accessibility over time. If you want more depth in your ARPG, then POE is the obvious choice. I just think that until now there hasnt been a good branching point for players to ease into the complexity, which LE provides. A player could go play D4, want more out of it, play LE be excited by all of the complexity and find themselves wanting more. After a few seasons maybe hop into POE. They'll see systems like maps and go: 'Oh! that's just like Monoliths!' They'll see crafting and think: 'Okay, so just like LE there are prefix' and suffix' and all these currencies i can use to make gear great!' I personally liken it to heavy metal as a music genre. Most people dont start with black metal, death metal or symphonic death metal. They're introduced slowly with Rock n Roll, maybe some punk and then Nu Metal is a big entry point. They like the sounds of the guitars and the vocals and then seek out more melodic metalcore over time, eventually that leads to melodic death metal or straight up death metal. Good entry points are important imo to a genres ecosystem, so I see a lot of good potential for both POE and LE supporting each other in the market whilst having their own niches. @@Monkey-fv2km
Even though I'm not a big fan of ARPGs, I just like how everything is so quick to learn and moving through quests/areas in Last Epoch is really easy. They did a really good job of making everything intuitive. And even though it's easy, it's not like Diablo easy where you have few options to customize your character. There are TONS of options, and sometimes all it takes is just taking a node in the passive or skill tree for a build to feel different. 🧙♂
You're doing it wrong man, if the vid is 20-30 min, you make it 1hr 15 minutes. If the vid is 1-2 hrs, you make it like .. 4 hrs of free content. You're not supposed to get right to the point with no fluff. You failed to farm the free low effort content.
17:25 actually you can see some intents to make end game complicated crafting. If you look up how experimental affixes work it is surprisingly complex and deterministic. You don't get a random affix. It's based on your affixes, tiers of them, total tiers, and all of those together are different for each item type to determine what experimental affix you will get. So there is actually a surprising amount of complexity hidden in the game right now, and it really shows their intention to expand into complexity for end game use.
@TNTspaz there is zero chance people who understand the arpg systems this much wouldn't understand how to make actually random affixes. Infact if I remember right they flat out told people in the forums that it wasn't entirely random, they just didn't say how. Case and point. Scroll of chaos is genuinely random as far as I know. They used a new system for experimental on purpose.
@user-ux1zr4ue7e it's endgame isn't extremely amazing right now. However its good enough. It's a fresh release, and next major patch has promised pinacle bosses. They also have stated they have entire end game systems in production much less just expansions to the current one. I won't object the end game isn't perfect, however it's already better than what diablo though was enough to release a 70 dollar game with. Imo the end game is about as strong as you could ever expect in a fresh released live service game.
@@MichaelThompson-ux6nnthe system itself is basically used in other games, but not called "charms" or "idols". Compare it to "jewels" in PoE. "Idols" from LE are smaller items with unique effects you put in specific slots outside of your character equipment... like you do with jewels in their sockets on the tree.
For the Transfer materials button, I understand it as two reasons the mats are pick up and transfer. Firstly, so you can trade a rare shard or a glyph/rune to a friend if they need one. Secondly, you get the visual satisfaction of all the mats getting vacuumed into storage.
@@Skrittles-ed5hg This is irrelevant, this is a design they could have changed since it's initial implementation if they wanted to, just like a range of things that have been updated since the first implementation. They have decided to keep it this way for a reason, my comment is taken directly from what the devs have said at various times about the topic.
I find it extremely tedious to level a new character for every new league in POE through the main campaign, we need a lot more options of how to level and how to play.
in the end you kill monsters to level so i dont know what is there to say anymore , like more options doesnt do anything. My advice is fall in love with campaign and enjoy :D
I'm enjoying it so much. You star a character, start leveling and read some skills and think about a build. Then you drop an item and decide to change it completely. AND in the meantime you also discover a third build that could be fun, and keep it at the back of your mind to try later. I can see myself not getting tired of season for a long time. The same thing cannot be said about Diablo 4. Since you have 3 options for each character and each season only one really pops off.
POE Crafting: Farm/buy 100s of lottery tickets in order to move to the next round of lottery tickets. rinse and Repeat. The strategy is in picking which lotteries to use at any given moment. In my 1k+ hours I've decided to avoid the entire system because of how RNG heavy it is, and thus time intensive. The dopamine of hitting a winning lottery ticket is completely negated by the fucking hours of tearing up loser tickets. Which makes LE's crafting perfect for me because the Forging Potential mechanic naturally limits how many lottery tickets I need to worry about.
Amazing content, happy to watch! Please include your twitch chat on screen for these reactions in the future if possible. Its a lot easier to follow the conversation with chat etc. if we can see the questions being asked!
It’s cool that you guys are reacting to one another’s reviews. Coz I value both of you’s inputs and it’s killing two birds in one stone for me watching videos like this.
I just discovered your channel and loving the even further in depth insight of this genre you provide. Also your stream room is Awesome. LOVE the aesthetic.
I like that there’s is a step to transfer materials. It lets me see what I collected before storing them, reducing the time I would have to spend constantly looking at my materials inventory.
I’ve played the game for 360+ hours during alpha and counting after release. The game’s great. I do agree that the end game’s a bit okay. My only problem is how people tend to compare it with POE and D4, for a 1.0 release it’s way better than the other ARPGS in my opinion (other than the server issues which most if not all anticipated games have a problem with). Also, people tend to forget how transparent and open the devs are to suggestions since the beginning and present. Their senior developer Mike streams the game every week to answer questions and give updates about what’s to come. They care about the game and the players and that’s quite rare nowadays.
@therotten6152 I agree the end game lacks conviction but with time I think it’ll only get better. Current PoE isn’t the same game during their official launch it only got better throughout the years of seasons and development. LE, for what it is now, is a whole lot of fun. It may not be the most polished and complex ARPG but I believe their trajectory would only lead them to improve the game and perhaps compete with PoE. Yes there are things they can and should work on. I’m not disregarding its current flaws, but I believe after 5 years in the making they have to make money somehow to further fund this project. The game is not entirely complete, but its enough for people to enjoy until they add more content.
except this game HASS BEEN IN EARLY ACCESS FOR 5 YEARS it didnt launch. it just got out of early access. thats not beta or alpha. like you claimed its EA its heres our game you can play it things arent gonna change they havent had plans to change anything.@@stonefish2452
It feels like a pretty exciting time for the ARPG genre, if D4 can not suck ass by time their first expansion is out we could be in a time where there are 3 massively popular arpgs competing when poe2 comes out
Last Epoch and Warhammer 40,000 inquisitor martyr are my favorite ARPG's. I like to be able to make my own builds. Using a build guide, is me playing the game with someone else's character.
19:32 this. I’ve tried PoE and knew pretty quickly I CBA to learn all that stuff. Didn’t want to and don’t have the time. But LE is pretty easy to learn and way more interesting than D4. It’s also relatively easy to determine what stats your build needs, so you can adjust the loot filter accordingly.
POE if you play casually is just as Easy to play as LE. the only difference is Poe actually has more to it that you can end up going farther into if you choose to not play casually. LE just doesnt have the complexity.
I think the monoliths would benefit from a little system where you could have monolith runes (or glyphs or whatever), and you could use them on echoes to juice up the rewards and difficulty. These would be rare though like rune of ascendancy level rare so you need to choose which echoes you want to use them on. And so let's say you find a nice exalted echo for bows while you're farming and really want to do that node, well now you can use the materials to juice up that echo even further to get more out of it, but in the process you juice up the enemies as well. This would add a bit of a risk/reward dynamic to the more desirable nodes, because you would mostly use these materials on those nodes in order to not waste the juice materials.
I've played Last Epoch a few times in the past, it was alright, showed promise. But 1.0 is such a huge leap, the game is absolutely fantastic. And this is just the beginning, I think Last Epoch has a very bright future.
Chrono cross that follows that is also great! Masato Kato, who also helped write Chrono Trigger also wrote Another Eden. Thats also a pretty cool game(its gacha based though) if youre looking for something similar with current day gacha graphics and story.
I'm at a pretty similar place to Asmon in playtime and I agree that Crafting and Respec are great. I really love, personally, how classes unfold as you go like an onion.
just want to say all the bosses and mini bosses are way better than what D4 put out. Each time I hit one and see the different mechanics they have, im like wow D4 wasnt anything like this. Also the fact that most builds seem to work without having to find a guide just makes this more fun. Also the in game loot filter is nice
straight up the truth for me, is that i dont watch guids for LE but i do for poe. LE actually allows for an authentic playthrough. tbf when i first played poe i went in blind during crucible league then my build bricked hard and i made a toxic rain build from ziz. then downloaded path of building, then awakened poe trade, its honestly too much shit for a game. poe is a great game im not saying its bad, there are levels to this shit tho ya know?
PoE is more complex i agree but there is more to it than that. The combat is way better, the map designs are better, visuals are better, sound design is better and music is on an epic level for each area. The enemies are diverse. And all of this is free. Not saying LE is bad, but PoE is really damn good.
Just right. I played poe hardcore that I farmed mageblood after a month. It felt like a job really, just doing the most efficient thing to earn currentlcy and buy mageblood. But in LE, you learn everything naturally and they actually force you to play the actual game rather than getting worried about economy and shit
@@rayu7191 if it takes you a month to farm mageblood and it feels like a job then you're doing something wrong ngl. Also personally whenever I feel like something that I'm doing isnt fun, I stop doing it and try something else.
The thing is there is a single linear time. It doesn't change. You just happen to start at one point, and then you get to skip ahead to see what happens later on. And then you get to pop back and see another static part of the history. There is no changing time at all. The end game just introduces a what if scenario as to what might have happened if something else happened.
47:45 as dumb as it may be, i find the act of clicking the "transfer materials" and seeing all the fragments go in very satisfying. feels more concrete than them just going straight to your crafting bag, but yes it is technically a useless extra step.
I have to preface before I state anything else, Asmon and DM are two content creators that I respect highly. Having said that, I cannot overstate how frustrating it is for me to listen them and every other content creator comparing LE on release with PoE that has had 10+ years of development. I understand that LE is building on the foundation of previous iterations of ARPG genre but it is still mindblowing to me how demanding these people are out of a small studio who is clearly doing some amazing work.
My main gripe with PoE is its clusterfuck crafting system that req. more work to manage and understand than running a 1000 ppl alliance in Eve Online... And its impossible to keep up with the changes. Thats a big negative. It can still be very complex as long as it would be structured more centrally, with more intuitive design and all the info available in game if you want to look it up instead of spending hours looking trough reddit posts to understand if that 1 thing works or not....
On the graphics thing at the start of the video I get where asmon is coming from, I do think the same. I play on a 4K monitor with everything maxed out, and the lower quality textures are pretty noticeable compared to other contemporary games that I play. I don't think that's a problem because this kind of gameplay is not one that relies heavily on visual fidelity, the main focus is on the gameplay itself, and good gameplay + good art direction goes miles, like with the witcher 3, or elden ring, and it applies here. Also I don't think that LE needs super high fidelity textures, but it would be nice if they updated some of them because it can become very noticeable with some skills that have huge effects, like the warlock rift, the character models themselves or some characters during the cinematics. That said it will probably not be a dealbreaker for anyone that plays the game since most games of these kind are older and suffer the same issue.
Ive put in around 150 hours between EA and launch and I absolutely love the game but I do wish leveling was a liiiitttle bit faster post-campaign and I hope they tweak itemization quite a bit. I also have some minor performance related gripes but its so fun to play that its one of the few games i dont really mind playing through stuttering and frame drops, I just hope it improves
I think that asmond should make a video where he reacts on your reaction to his review.. And after that I think YOU should make a video where you react to asmond reacting to your reaction of his review... That would be some epic inception shit right there 🙂
I actually like that you have to transfer materials - i dont like inventory tetris i like to play with harsh loot filter but there is this thing about looking at your bag full of mats, like thats what i just farmed nice press button and they are stashed, i mean if they just go to mats stash direcly i would feel i would miss out on noticing gather progres in a "feels good" way, that tiny litle tidbit more then just growing number in a mats list
its a good point, but you craft in PoE during the campaign just as much. its actually integral to getting maxed out resistances, as crafting a suffix is super easy
The most fun of this game is playing coop and being able to share and trade things to your pals. The trading system is the best I have ever seen, really love it. I really don't care for doing new seasons, game is already hard enough to hit 100. I actually like not having separate mechanics for seasons and love it's just ladders and economy reset which I couldn't care less about.
no. the trade system is literally the same as PoE so like what? except it cost items to be able to Wooh limiting ? unless it drops in the world with them
prob have 30 comments saying this but it could also be from when they first got added you had to store them in the chest someone in your chat might say it in a sec too the feature poe should have is the hide all tabs that dont have say mirror of kalandra in it so you can hide 99 out of 100 tabs and just go right to it
One thing I actually am meduim on is the transfer materials. I think it works really well in LE as alot of it just affix shards, though I still do not have a grasp on all the glyphs and runes partly because they are hidden behind the craftin menu. However, I like POE's system as I kinda know what currency I have at all times and what they do because they are in front of me at all times. I think both work for different reasons and I don't think I want either to change, weirdly enough.
Because of Circle of Fortune I am doing more content, not only monoliths but I go into dungeons a lot as well. The end-game is still pretty limited in the game, but the dev's main goal now that the game is out is mainly to make a proper end-game, which is normal.
Game feels good, definitely feels like there COULD be a smidge more depth without being as hardcore as PoE, but it's still 1.0 and the game will have many updates in the future. I look forward to whenever we to a 2.0 or w/e larger update, even though I know that is probably years down the line
7 - it`s exactly what I feel about this game. I will start to follow you. Also I really lik eyou video about the compare of Poe Diable and LE its, its exactly what I feel as well. Thanks, good review!
If materials you find go straight to the forge you'll never know what you find or how many things you find. Having to press a button (LITERALLY TAKES A SECOND) lets you see what loot you've raked in.
The end game still needs work, but the early game also needs attention, the campaing is ok at most on the first character, after that is just a imense pain in the ass when you create another one. I even have a bug that literaly blocked my progression on Thetima on my first char and i had to reestart that character from the begining, my surprise was that this bug is not even new, but old af and they never really fixed and that some other people had the same bug these past days. Having to play campaing again was excrutiating, they need to make that crap an option for second characters.
Went it comes to graphics, I'm easily impressed since I started out in the 80's. I just purchased a new laptop cause my 6 year old AUSU with the i5 Intel cpu and 24G dropped its hard drive. My new ASUS laptop has an i9 with 32G and the difference in the D4 graphics is astonishing. It really felt like going from cartoon world to real world. If Last Epoch is that much better, I will be impressed.
PoE feels more like wet cement than a sandbox for me. There is too much friction in rebuilding a character. At least with passives. They want you to just start over it feels... PoE embraces that old-school painful progression where you can get locked in to poor choices.
PoE is weird. When I run a build, I always end up struggling around Tier 11. doesn't matter what build it is, i'm always maxed on res and got the gear, but end up getting oneshot if I go any higher.
I think the "transfer materials" is there to show you the loot you got. before you stashs them into the list. Otherwise you might feel like you got nothing from the echo run even though you looted shards. Also the gifting is a possible reason.
Although I think LE is a good game, there is still a lot of work ahead of them, but I have confidence that they can do it. Having said that, I think EHG and LE will be a serious competitor in the ARPG space. If GGG is looking to someone it is EHG, I don't think GGG worries about D4 or Grim Dawn for that matter. POE2 is clearly marketed to a broader audience, but they will have to compete with LE. POE 2 will have the stigma of POE 1 hanging over it, and for Jonathan rogers, it will be hard to convince people that the game is more accessible without worrying the core fan base. With LE out there, he will have an even harder time, but this will push GGG to move on some points, as we have seen. One last point, will D4 survive trough this? They need to catch up, but I worry that the game is just too far behind. And soon enough, their majority fan base (remember these are causal dads, who don't watch ARPG youtubers) will figure out that there are games who provide an equal to better experience for less money.
Really, I think you just need a strong list of diverse builds for each archetype for an ARPG to be reasonably balanced. I'm not even sure it needs to be more than maybe 10 or 15 unique builds per "class", honestly. However, as far as LE goes, I'll point out that Empowered Monoliths are a much different experience than the campaign or even normal monoliths. This is where build disparity really starts to hit, and a lot of masteries/playstyles have been left in the dust.
Have you played lightning tornado bug? Honestly some of the funnest shit, more fun to me than POE1 for sure and I've played that game since closed beta.
Im just happy he mentioned Eve online :) I am not a sandbox enjoyer particularly, but I love eve online and its been my most played game over the last 3 years
I think he means Side Missions that you have to do to advance....like the Legions. Lol. In D4. Or the side stuff to do the Dungeons instead of just run through and done.
as someone who tried PoE once got the majority of the way through the campaign and bricked my build and was told to restart and then never played again which at time i regret cuz i hear how good it is but i just couldn't bring myself to redo all that work because i made a mistake i didn't know i made.
@ten6152 So that's 70-140c to farm in white maps + potential ascendency/bandit respects on a bad build with no idea how to make actual currency or trade efficiently. When leveling back to 70+ is literally faster than them farming a few chaos per hour remaking is the play sadly
@@Shallaan which is what i had understood, so i decided against it and played something that needed less homework. though i guess now i play more ARPGs i do that now anyway. but with PoE2 on the horizon i figure i will wait for that.
@@Anime_darkwing Very fair, the game is awesome but the homework never stops you have to love that shit from the start. The wikis, the build planners, the trading sites/program/discords, the 45 mins video of an excel spreadsheet on crafting a single piece of gear or get the most out of one of the 25 league mechanic there is. Even with 4k hours on the game I can still spend 4 hours in my hideout simply looking for a way to squeeze as much power out of a certain build at a certain point depending on how the market is looking. Honestly most of us who are playing also had it way easier learning the game one patch at a time in small bites over the years. The game is very bloated nowadays As a vet I freaking love it though😣in comparison other ARPGs just don't do it for me anymore, they feel so fade, shallow, slow and piss easy when compared that it just doesn't hit the spot as well
I was having a good time until today. I didnt have any connection issues or bugs for two days then POW! ive stopped playing. Me and my buddy would be doing the main quest and when we killed a boss the quest would disappear and we had to kill it solo for it to show back up, then I kept getting kicked off all day non stop and finally the last straw was killing Lagon and not getting the blessings, I killed him twice, such a pain in the ass nothing happened, didnt get any blessings unlocked, I tried logging, teleporting to new zone everything...it was goin so well
yes the difficulty was harder pre release. but i found it to be easier on 1.0 because i knew what i was doing with crafting during campaign. it helps me plow through the content. :D 1-80 in a day as a falconer.
my biggest gripe with POE, and the reason i stopped playing is that over time the crafting became more and more tedious complex, without ever feeling rewarding, crafting always had to much risk for it to be rewarding. 99% of the time crafting felt high risk low reward,
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Something that I think is critically important between Diablo 4 and LE. In Diablo 4 the decisions made by their development team made it so hard to have a positive hope for the future of the game. LE is the complete opposite. It feels like the devs understand us and Arpg games. It feels like they listen, and care about what players want. From quality of life, itemization, experimentation, build diversity, itemization, STORAGE SPACE, and an item filter to name a few examples. Is LE perfect? No.
Does it have some things that can be improved? Certainly. But the important part is that this game gives actual hope in the future that is rooted in witnessed dev team competence rather than copium.
This was a good one hour and 2 min video, but i have watched a one hour and 3 min video, so let me know if you want help to make it better.
DM reacting to Asmongold, we have come full circle.
lol
😂😅😂😅😂
The prophecy fulfilled 😮
Don't worry, Asmongold will react to DM's reaction soon and the circle will start again.
Nope, Asmongold will react to the react of his react, then the curcle of life will be complete.
Asmongold: This isn't a review.
Editor: This is a review
Also it's not even an impression of LE, he and the chat is just going on about PoE lmao
"You played 30 hours? Well I've played 33 and a half hours, so your opinion is invalid!!!! 🤓"
😂😂😂😂😂
HEY HE SAID YOUR HONOR NOT MY OPINION YOUR COMMENT IS INVALID
Every time I've touched last epoch I've played for at least 9 hours non-stop.
It's not as deep as POE but to be honest I dont want it to be.
I want to pick talents to make my own build but isn't so overwhelming that I dont know where to start and they did a really solid job of striking that balance.
i've played 20 hours so far since the 1.0 release and been having a blast.
The end-game doesnt seem fun to me, but that's just because I dont like the idea of doing what appears to be endless grinding [the arena interests me though].
For $35 it's absolutely worth your time if you're interested in ARPGS in the slightest.
It's on my wishlist!
I would agree that PoE crafting has more depth, at the cost of vastly less accessibility, but would argue that PoE's general breadth is where it wins over LE.
LE is definitely less hard work though.
Certainly, I think that maybe LE could be a good branching point into POE if they keep the accessibility over time.
If you want more depth in your ARPG, then POE is the obvious choice. I just think that until now there hasnt been a good branching point for players to ease into the complexity, which LE provides.
A player could go play D4, want more out of it, play LE be excited by all of the complexity and find themselves wanting more.
After a few seasons maybe hop into POE. They'll see systems like maps and go: 'Oh! that's just like Monoliths!'
They'll see crafting and think: 'Okay, so just like LE there are prefix' and suffix' and all these currencies i can use to make gear great!'
I personally liken it to heavy metal as a music genre. Most people dont start with black metal, death metal or symphonic death metal. They're introduced slowly with Rock n Roll, maybe some punk and then Nu Metal is a big entry point. They like the sounds of the guitars and the vocals and then seek out more melodic metalcore over time, eventually that leads to melodic death metal or straight up death metal.
Good entry points are important imo to a genres ecosystem, so I see a lot of good potential for both POE and LE supporting each other in the market whilst having their own niches. @@Monkey-fv2km
Even though I'm not a big fan of ARPGs, I just like how everything is so quick to learn and moving through quests/areas in Last Epoch is really easy. They did a really good job of making everything intuitive.
And even though it's easy, it's not like Diablo easy where you have few options to customize your character. There are TONS of options, and sometimes all it takes is just taking a node in the passive or skill tree for a build to feel different. 🧙♂
You're doing it wrong man, if the vid is 20-30 min, you make it 1hr 15 minutes. If the vid is 1-2 hrs, you make it like .. 4 hrs of free content. You're not supposed to get right to the point with no fluff. You failed to farm the free low effort content.
But then he would have to do a video about how streaming is harder then other jobs!
17:25 actually you can see some intents to make end game complicated crafting. If you look up how experimental affixes work it is surprisingly complex and deterministic. You don't get a random affix. It's based on your affixes, tiers of them, total tiers, and all of those together are different for each item type to determine what experimental affix you will get.
So there is actually a surprising amount of complexity hidden in the game right now, and it really shows their intention to expand into complexity for end game use.
You wrong that even more brain dead
@TNTspaz there is zero chance people who understand the arpg systems this much wouldn't understand how to make actually random affixes. Infact if I remember right they flat out told people in the forums that it wasn't entirely random, they just didn't say how.
Case and point. Scroll of chaos is genuinely random as far as I know. They used a new system for experimental on purpose.
@user-ux1zr4ue7e it's endgame isn't extremely amazing right now. However its good enough. It's a fresh release, and next major patch has promised pinacle bosses. They also have stated they have entire end game systems in production much less just expansions to the current one.
I won't object the end game isn't perfect, however it's already better than what diablo though was enough to release a 70 dollar game with.
Imo the end game is about as strong as you could ever expect in a fresh released live service game.
@@user-ux1zr4ue7e Boring comment lol Give substance to your posts, my dude.
@@user-ux1zr4ue7eyes it doesn’t have the depth to last right now. But certainly they have a foundation to make it more interesting.
Asmongold: This isn't a review.
UA-camrs: This must be a review!
What should he think when the damn title of his video calls it a review?
"Review" its very hard to unpack this one right buddy@@BlameItOnYourFriend
@@BlameItOnYourFriend Something sexy and exotic. "Fine European sexy opinion suggestion time"
It has " " in it bro. Read along the lines the editor makes the video.@@BlameItOnYourFriend
Idols are just charms from D2 LoD, just with its own designated inventory.
It is a good idea to give it an inventory that you unlock bit by bit.
Yeah and it was great then and it’s great now no idea why they aren’t used in other arpgs
@@MichaelThompson-ux6nnthe system itself is basically used in other games, but not called "charms" or "idols". Compare it to "jewels" in PoE. "Idols" from LE are smaller items with unique effects you put in specific slots outside of your character equipment... like you do with jewels in their sockets on the tree.
Funny D3 was going to have a separate charms inventory and then they tossed that
For the Transfer materials button, I understand it as two reasons the mats are pick up and transfer. Firstly, so you can trade a rare shard or a glyph/rune to a friend if they need one. Secondly, you get the visual satisfaction of all the mats getting vacuumed into storage.
Also so you can check, "What was that class-specific (or whatever) shard I just looted?"
Oh wow, that's a good point on the share/trade w/ friend part of it! I've just been enjoying the vacuum!
And thats what i like the most in the game! The developers have great ideas in every aspect in the game!
That vacuum part got my attention.
@@Skrittles-ed5hg This is irrelevant, this is a design they could have changed since it's initial implementation if they wanted to, just like a range of things that have been updated since the first implementation. They have decided to keep it this way for a reason, my comment is taken directly from what the devs have said at various times about the topic.
I find it extremely tedious to level a new character for every new league in POE through the main campaign, we need a lot more options of how to level and how to play.
*Endless Delve* to skip the artificial time gating copy pasta crappy campaign. Maybe next decade …
I love it that you can go straight to monoliths if you want, and the dungeons you can use to skip parts of the campaign
in the end you kill monsters to level so i dont know what is there to say anymore , like more options doesnt do anything. My advice is fall in love with campaign and enjoy :D
Can't wait for asmongold to react to DM reacting to asmongold reacting to last epoch (not a review)
I'm enjoying it so much. You star a character, start leveling and read some skills and think about a build.
Then you drop an item and decide to change it completely.
AND in the meantime you also discover a third build that could be fun, and keep it at the back of your mind to try later.
I can see myself not getting tired of season for a long time. The same thing cannot be said about Diablo 4. Since you have 3 options for each character and each season only one really pops off.
I cant wait for Asmongold to make a react video of this video
POE Crafting: Farm/buy 100s of lottery tickets in order to move to the next round of lottery tickets. rinse and Repeat. The strategy is in picking which lotteries to use at any given moment. In my 1k+ hours I've decided to avoid the entire system because of how RNG heavy it is, and thus time intensive. The dopamine of hitting a winning lottery ticket is completely negated by the fucking hours of tearing up loser tickets. Which makes LE's crafting perfect for me because the Forging Potential mechanic naturally limits how many lottery tickets I need to worry about.
You clearly havent played the highest level of LE. It is a literal lottery machine trying to slam items together...
@@freakindarkothe highest level is lp4 and it's 100% determined.
@@rockygillman6404 you clearly dont understand the essence of what I said if thats what your conclusion was to what I said
you dont like rng in a arpg? I see this is where the arpg community has gone lmaooooo rip
@@freakindarkoWhen a speaker fails to reach his audience, it is the speaker's fault 100% of the time.
Amazing content, happy to watch!
Please include your twitch chat on screen for these reactions in the future if possible. Its a lot easier to follow the conversation with chat etc. if we can see the questions being asked!
It’s cool that you guys are reacting to one another’s reviews. Coz I value both of you’s inputs and it’s killing two birds in one stone for me watching videos like this.
Yo Darth, loved that you turned the tables and are reacting to the reactor!!! Love your stuff man! Glad to see you've blown up!
I just discovered your channel and loving the even further in depth insight of this genre you provide. Also your stream room is Awesome. LOVE the aesthetic.
I like that there’s is a step to transfer materials. It lets me see what I collected before storing them, reducing the time I would have to spend constantly looking at my materials inventory.
a review inside of a review a review inside of a review a review inside of a review a review inside of a review
Yo dawg, I heard you like reviews...
Reviewception
I’ve played the game for 360+ hours during alpha and counting after release. The game’s great. I do agree that the end game’s a bit okay. My only problem is how people tend to compare it with POE and D4, for a 1.0 release it’s way better than the other ARPGS in my opinion (other than the server issues which most if not all anticipated games have a problem with). Also, people tend to forget how transparent and open the devs are to suggestions since the beginning and present. Their senior developer Mike streams the game every week to answer questions and give updates about what’s to come. They care about the game and the players and that’s quite rare nowadays.
@therotten6152 I agree the end game lacks conviction but with time I think it’ll only get better. Current PoE isn’t the same game during their official launch it only got better throughout the years of seasons and development. LE, for what it is now, is a whole lot of fun. It may not be the most polished and complex ARPG but I believe their trajectory would only lead them to improve the game and perhaps compete with PoE.
Yes there are things they can and should work on. I’m not disregarding its current flaws, but I believe after 5 years in the making they have to make money somehow to further fund this project. The game is not entirely complete, but its enough for people to enjoy until they add more content.
its simply not better than other ARPGS factually
except this game HASS BEEN IN EARLY ACCESS FOR 5 YEARS it didnt launch. it just got out of early access. thats not beta or alpha. like you claimed its EA its heres our game you can play it
things arent gonna change they havent had plans to change anything.@@stonefish2452
My review of the reviewed review from the guy that reviews that one guys reviews after they've been re-reviewed.
A very good and in depth reaction vod, DM.
It feels like a pretty exciting time for the ARPG genre, if D4 can not suck ass by time their first expansion is out we could be in a time where there are 3 massively popular arpgs competing when poe2 comes out
Last Epoch and Warhammer 40,000 inquisitor martyr are my favorite ARPG's. I like to be able to make my own builds. Using a build guide, is me playing the game with someone else's character.
facts
19:32 this. I’ve tried PoE and knew pretty quickly I CBA to learn all that stuff. Didn’t want to and don’t have the time. But LE is pretty easy to learn and way more interesting than D4. It’s also relatively easy to determine what stats your build needs, so you can adjust the loot filter accordingly.
POE if you play casually is just as Easy to play as LE.
the only difference is Poe actually has more to it that you can end up going farther into if you choose to not play casually.
LE just doesnt have the complexity.
DM made it boys!!! I’m very happy for you man! I wish you the best!
I think the monoliths would benefit from a little system where you could have monolith runes (or glyphs or whatever), and you could use them on echoes to juice up the rewards and difficulty. These would be rare though like rune of ascendancy level rare so you need to choose which echoes you want to use them on. And so let's say you find a nice exalted echo for bows while you're farming and really want to do that node, well now you can use the materials to juice up that echo even further to get more out of it, but in the process you juice up the enemies as well.
This would add a bit of a risk/reward dynamic to the more desirable nodes, because you would mostly use these materials on those nodes in order to not waste the juice materials.
I've played Last Epoch a few times in the past, it was alright, showed promise.
But 1.0 is such a huge leap, the game is absolutely fantastic.
And this is just the beginning, I think Last Epoch has a very bright future.
Chrono triger is an amazing game with timetravel, highly recomened especialy so if you havnt had a good time travel expierence
I love this game!
Chrono cross that follows that is also great!
Masato Kato, who also helped write Chrono Trigger also wrote Another Eden. Thats also a pretty cool game(its gacha based though) if youre looking for something similar with current day gacha graphics and story.
I'm at a pretty similar place to Asmon in playtime and I agree that Crafting and Respec are great. I really love, personally, how classes unfold as you go like an onion.
A review... within a review... inside a review... THIS IS THE MULTIVERSE.
it would be cool to have a kind of ascendant in LE where you can choose 3 tree of different class and specialise into one
"if you know what you're doing."
The farmer getting farmed lol😂
just want to say all the bosses and mini bosses are way better than what D4 put out. Each time I hit one and see the different mechanics they have, im like wow D4 wasnt anything like this. Also the fact that most builds seem to work without having to find a guide just makes this more fun. Also the in game loot filter is nice
Now he must do a "My opinion on his opinion of my opinion" video.
Darth doin a review of an asmon video, my my my how the turns have tabled.
straight up the truth for me, is that i dont watch guids for LE but i do for poe. LE actually allows for an authentic playthrough.
tbf when i first played poe i went in blind during crucible league then my build bricked hard and i made a toxic rain build from ziz.
then downloaded path of building, then awakened poe trade, its honestly too much shit for a game.
poe is a great game im not saying its bad, there are levels to this shit tho ya know?
PoE is more complex i agree but there is more to it than that. The combat is way better, the map designs are better, visuals are better, sound design is better and music is on an epic level for each area. The enemies are diverse. And all of this is free. Not saying LE is bad, but PoE is really damn good.
@Avean yeah also worth mention that PoE is a 10 year old game that was trash when it first came out, so LE being this good at launch is just amazing
Just right. I played poe hardcore that I farmed mageblood after a month. It felt like a job really, just doing the most efficient thing to earn currentlcy and buy mageblood.
But in LE, you learn everything naturally and they actually force you to play the actual game rather than getting worried about economy and shit
@@rayu7191 if it takes you a month to farm mageblood and it feels like a job then you're doing something wrong ngl. Also personally whenever I feel like something that I'm doing isnt fun, I stop doing it and try something else.
@@Aveanhard disagree
Dude, bone golem felt soo good the first time I used it
The thing is there is a single linear time. It doesn't change. You just happen to start at one point, and then you get to skip ahead to see what happens later on. And then you get to pop back and see another static part of the history. There is no changing time at all. The end game just introduces a what if scenario as to what might have happened if something else happened.
well lagon as a melee can be really hard if you don't switch your focus and just only focus one of the tentacle
47:45 as dumb as it may be, i find the act of clicking the "transfer materials" and seeing all the fragments go in very satisfying. feels more concrete than them just going straight to your crafting bag, but yes it is technically a useless extra step.
Next up: Asmon reacts to DM’s Asmon reaction to DM’s review. Insert emote thumbnail
The time travel plot to this game is what captured me.
I have to preface before I state anything else, Asmon and DM are two content creators that I respect highly. Having said that, I cannot overstate how frustrating it is for me to listen them and every other content creator comparing LE on release with PoE that has had 10+ years of development. I understand that LE is building on the foundation of previous iterations of ARPG genre but it is still mindblowing to me how demanding these people are out of a small studio who is clearly doing some amazing work.
now we need a reaction of the reaction of the review that is not a review
the crafting in this game is perfect. absolutely perfect.
"Not everyone likes Eve: Online"
*me playing eve running abyssals while watching this video* :o
My main gripe with PoE is its clusterfuck crafting system that req. more work to manage and understand than running a 1000 ppl alliance in Eve Online... And its impossible to keep up with the changes. Thats a big negative. It can still be very complex as long as it would be structured more centrally, with more intuitive design and all the info available in game if you want to look it up instead of spending hours looking trough reddit posts to understand if that 1 thing works or not....
On the graphics thing at the start of the video I get where asmon is coming from, I do think the same. I play on a 4K monitor with everything maxed out, and the lower quality textures are pretty noticeable compared to other contemporary games that I play.
I don't think that's a problem because this kind of gameplay is not one that relies heavily on visual fidelity, the main focus is on the gameplay itself, and good gameplay + good art direction goes miles, like with the witcher 3, or elden ring, and it applies here. Also I don't think that LE needs super high fidelity textures, but it would be nice if they updated some of them because it can become very noticeable with some skills that have huge effects, like the warlock rift, the character models themselves or some characters during the cinematics. That said it will probably not be a dealbreaker for anyone that plays the game since most games of these kind are older and suffer the same issue.
Ive put in around 150 hours between EA and launch and I absolutely love the game but I do wish leveling was a liiiitttle bit faster post-campaign and I hope they tweak itemization quite a bit. I also have some minor performance related gripes but its so fun to play that its one of the few games i dont really mind playing through stuttering and frame drops, I just hope it improves
There are only usually about 2-3 builds that can achieve 6k delve each league tho, in reference to meta builds in poe.
I think that asmond should make a video where he reacts on your reaction to his review.. And after that I think YOU should make a video where you react to asmond reacting to your reaction of his review... That would be some epic inception shit right there 🙂
I actually like that you have to transfer materials - i dont like inventory tetris i like to play with harsh loot filter but there is this thing about looking at your bag full of mats, like thats what i just farmed nice press button and they are stashed, i mean if they just go to mats stash direcly i would feel i would miss out on noticing gather progres in a "feels good" way, that tiny litle tidbit more then just growing number in a mats list
About the crafting mats not going directly into the material inventory; it feels so satisfying to click that button and watching them zoom into it. :)
I think this is because if they directly go into the material inventory you can’t trade them or give them to friends.
its a good point, but you craft in PoE during the campaign just as much. its actually integral to getting maxed out resistances, as crafting a suffix is super easy
i dreaded going back to town just to get back where the mapfog, enemies resetted. Bosses literally respawn when i got back,
He's playing VK Autobomber which is super fun. You auto cast those bombs I'm playing the smiter hammer version of it.
The most fun of this game is playing coop and being able to share and trade things to your pals. The trading system is the best I have ever seen, really love it. I really don't care for doing new seasons, game is already hard enough to hit 100. I actually like not having separate mechanics for seasons and love it's just ladders and economy reset which I couldn't care less about.
no. the trade system is literally the same as PoE so like what? except it cost items to be able to Wooh limiting ? unless it drops in the world with them
can't wait for Asmon to react to your react of his reaction.
14:30 - The Idol system is like a Navi Customization in Battle Network. I loved then and I love it now.
The idol system is charms with its own limited space from Diablo 2.
great video !
prob have 30 comments saying this but it could also be from when they first got added you had to store them in the chest someone in your chat might say it in a sec too
the feature poe should have is the hide all tabs that dont have say mirror of kalandra in it so you can hide 99 out of 100 tabs and just go right to it
I swear, I thought this was a video of Asmongold reacting to your video reacting to Asmongold.
Itemization and specialization are king in ARPG's period.
One thing I actually am meduim on is the transfer materials. I think it works really well in LE as alot of it just affix shards, though I still do not have a grasp on all the glyphs and runes partly because they are hidden behind the craftin menu. However, I like POE's system as I kinda know what currency I have at all times and what they do because they are in front of me at all times.
I think both work for different reasons and I don't think I want either to change, weirdly enough.
Because of Circle of Fortune I am doing more content, not only monoliths but I go into dungeons a lot as well. The end-game is still pretty limited in the game, but the dev's main goal now that the game is out is mainly to make a proper end-game, which is normal.
A broom reacting to a durt kind of video.
Game feels good, definitely feels like there COULD be a smidge more depth without being as hardcore as PoE, but it's still 1.0 and the game will have many updates in the future. I look forward to whenever we to a 2.0 or w/e larger update, even though I know that is probably years down the line
Cant wait for asmongolds review of you reviewing his review.
Watching this one as it's a shorter video, LOL.
I feel like I'm missing out on the crafting benches.
Oh no, i have no decent bass for this veiled mod craft
7 - it`s exactly what I feel about this game. I will start to follow you. Also I really lik eyou video about the compare of Poe Diable and LE its, its exactly what I feel as well. Thanks, good review!
If materials you find go straight to the forge you'll never know what you find or how many things you find. Having to press a button (LITERALLY TAKES A SECOND) lets you see what loot you've raked in.
The end game still needs work, but the early game also needs attention, the campaing is ok at most on the first character, after that is just a imense pain in the ass when you create another one.
I even have a bug that literaly blocked my progression on Thetima on my first char and i had to reestart that character from the begining, my surprise was that this bug is not even new, but old af and they never really fixed and that some other people had the same bug these past days.
Having to play campaing again was excrutiating, they need to make that crap an option for second characters.
Went it comes to graphics, I'm easily impressed since I started out in the 80's. I just purchased a new laptop cause my 6 year old AUSU with the i5 Intel cpu and 24G dropped its hard drive. My new ASUS laptop has an i9 with 32G and the difference in the D4 graphics is astonishing. It really felt like going from cartoon world to real world. If Last Epoch is that much better, I will be impressed.
Doing reviews of reviews is crazy, but I'll only watch yours. That's because your opinion I actually respect ❤
While Asmon can fool you with occasional good takes, he's overall nobody to listen to outside 12 yo range. So yeah.
95% of his viewers are over 30
@@freakoutgaming1808 That's not a complement dude.
PoE feels more like wet cement than a sandbox for me. There is too much friction in rebuilding a character. At least with passives. They want you to just start over it feels... PoE embraces that old-school painful progression where you can get locked in to poor choices.
PoE is weird. When I run a build, I always end up struggling around Tier 11. doesn't matter what build it is, i'm always maxed on res and got the gear, but end up getting oneshot if I go any higher.
I think the "transfer materials" is there to show you the loot you got. before you stashs them into the list. Otherwise you might feel like you got nothing from the echo run even though you looted shards. Also the gifting is a possible reason.
Although I think LE is a good game, there is still a lot of work ahead of them, but I have confidence that they can do it. Having said that, I think EHG and LE will be a serious competitor in the ARPG space. If GGG is looking to someone it is EHG, I don't think GGG worries about D4 or Grim Dawn for that matter. POE2 is clearly marketed to a broader audience, but they will have to compete with LE. POE 2 will have the stigma of POE 1 hanging over it, and for Jonathan rogers, it will be hard to convince people that the game is more accessible without worrying the core fan base. With LE out there, he will have an even harder time, but this will push GGG to move on some points, as we have seen.
One last point, will D4 survive trough this? They need to catch up, but I worry that the game is just too far behind. And soon enough, their majority fan base (remember these are causal dads, who don't watch ARPG youtubers) will figure out that there are games who provide an equal to better experience for less money.
Love how Epoch forced ggg to reconsider ease of respeccing for poe2
yes d4 will survive lol you must be new to the disblo franchise....d3 launched boring n slow and now d3 is fucking great
@@7Slayer7Yeah, I have played all diablo's but remember me, when did D3 launch? And how much is left of that initial community?
there wont be a competition between poe 2 and le.
they didnt. they were already doing that way before anybody cared about LE@@MF-fr7ov
they had that when LE only had like 3k players at best
Really, I think you just need a strong list of diverse builds for each archetype for an ARPG to be reasonably balanced. I'm not even sure it needs to be more than maybe 10 or 15 unique builds per "class", honestly. However, as far as LE goes, I'll point out that Empowered Monoliths are a much different experience than the campaign or even normal monoliths. This is where build disparity really starts to hit, and a lot of masteries/playstyles have been left in the dust.
Have you played lightning tornado bug? Honestly some of the funnest shit, more fun to me than POE1 for sure and I've played that game since closed beta.
What about grim dawn im just curious? Personally its my favorite.
Im just happy he mentioned Eve online :) I am not a sandbox enjoyer particularly, but I love eve online and its been my most played game over the last 3 years
I really like DM’s reacting videos specially with Asmingold’s videos. I am fan of both.
One of a very few >1h long yt videos that I watched at one go lol.
Asmon playing Last Epoch with a thrown skill and dot talents, focusing his gear on mele damage and crit....never change man
i mean you can literally beat the game with the torch unique a shield and shield rush. and no other gear
I think he means Side Missions that you have to do to advance....like the Legions. Lol. In D4. Or the side stuff to do the Dungeons instead of just run through and done.
as someone who tried PoE once got the majority of the way through the campaign and bricked my build and was told to restart and then never played again which at time i regret cuz i hear how good it is but i just couldn't bring myself to redo all that work because i made a mistake i didn't know i made.
@ten6152 So that's 70-140c to farm in white maps + potential ascendency/bandit respects on a bad build with no idea how to make actual currency or trade efficiently. When leveling back to 70+ is literally faster than them farming a few chaos per hour remaking is the play sadly
@@Shallaan which is what i had understood, so i decided against it and played something that needed less homework. though i guess now i play more ARPGs i do that now anyway. but with PoE2 on the horizon i figure i will wait for that.
@@Anime_darkwing Very fair, the game is awesome but the homework never stops you have to love that shit from the start.
The wikis, the build planners, the trading sites/program/discords, the 45 mins video of an excel spreadsheet on crafting a single piece of gear or get the most out of one of the 25 league mechanic there is. Even with 4k hours on the game I can still spend 4 hours in my hideout simply looking for a way to squeeze as much power out of a certain build at a certain point depending on how the market is looking.
Honestly most of us who are playing also had it way easier learning the game one patch at a time in small bites over the years. The game is very bloated nowadays
As a vet I freaking love it though😣in comparison other ARPGs just don't do it for me anymore, they feel so fade, shallow, slow and piss easy when compared that it just doesn't hit the spot as well
@@Shallaan i can understand that, i am a fan of Last Epoch as it stands, its is still in its early stages and has a lot of potential.
Poe gives you a sandbox to play with sure but make it very very difficult to actually play in it.
I was having a good time until today. I didnt have any connection issues or bugs for two days then POW! ive stopped playing. Me and my buddy would be doing the main quest and when we killed a boss the quest would disappear and we had to kill it solo for it to show back up, then I kept getting kicked off all day non stop and finally the last straw was killing Lagon and not getting the blessings, I killed him twice, such a pain in the ass nothing happened, didnt get any blessings unlocked, I tried logging, teleporting to new zone everything...it was goin so well
Good to see asmondgold keeping to game comentary. Good boy asmon.
What about back to the future? Great time travel story.
yes the difficulty was harder pre release. but i found it to be easier on 1.0 because i knew what i was doing with crafting during campaign. it helps me plow through the content. :D 1-80 in a day as a falconer.
my biggest gripe with POE, and the reason i stopped playing is that over time the crafting became more and more tedious complex, without ever feeling rewarding, crafting always had to much risk for it to be rewarding. 99% of the time crafting felt high risk low reward,
You should include your twitch chat in these vids
Nah man twitch chat never improves anything