Wow, I've been out of the melee scene for quite some time, and seeing the incredible editing in this production goes to show just how far everything has come. This is really amazing stuff man, really excited to see more.
The moment that truly defined the big house 10 was the last 10 seconds of grand finals. On fd in the last stocks. Amsa paries the firefox and starts a combo and wins. If amsa has not paried it fire fox would have put the yoshi % too high and combod into fox upair and mango resets.
You specifically mentioned his depth of knowledge but aMSa said in Twitter that he didn't know it was 1 frame lol Obviously he knows a ton, as shown in the other clips. I just thought it was funny.
Not only is this just taking Melee Moments video and adding three minutes of unnecessary fluff on the bookends, TDFW literally uses the thumbnail to the Melee Moments video at 4:25.
Blows my mind so hard that he can just react and go "this 3 frame window doesn't have enough combo potential, lets go for the 1 frame window" almost as as much as the fact he actually hit it too
He actually has the whole micro sequence in active muscle memory there even though it only works when both players are at very low percent. It's way too fast to raw react, there is a great amount of diligence in the training regiment to be able to have that level of confidence. He very likely isn't thinking about frame windows but, rather that he already has a plan for when both players are low percent in this match-up, and is ready to pull out every possible power move for the situation, regardless of how much training he needs to pull them off.
This video is so well produced! I love the editing! Are you doing all this by yourself? Edit: just seen in description Kao is editing, still you guys are on fire, great work
There is just one aspect that people don't know about. The input queue. This aspect interract extremely well at times with Yoshi, thankfully. Because it is extremely specific to certain move inputs OR jump. The crucial part was that aMSa knew it would work here, thus. But it is a bit more repeatable than what it seems like due to timing the inputs well. Taking nothing away from amsa ofcourse! But once more, Yoshi is better than people think!
Would have been cooler if the music from the original Melee Moments vid was added during his section, woulda had a "new challenger incoming" feel imo, feels empty without it. If it's about copyright then it's cool 🤙
i remember when the first melee moment video was posted to twitter and amsa explicitly said he didn't know uptilt was a just frame in that scenario in the replies
So much to say about this video. First I think it's so great hearing such in depth commentary for melee in general because you don't always get play by play commentary during matches let alone at half this level of knowledge (not knocking commentators because the game is so fast and before you can explain most things 10 other things already happened). Also Amsa's option select in the situation just shows how truly insane his level of play is. In a game this fast, he has the awareness in a very short window to both pick the optimal option when what will and won't work is already just separated by one or two frames, but then also executes it perfectly. He has more neurons firing in his brain in one second of gameplay than me watching an entire match trying to follow everything he's doing. And then you have that guest come in to give some extra analysis and ask that we check them out too (and I'm thinking yeah sure who is this?) and it's the amazing Melee Moments who I subbed a few weeks ago after seeing just one immaculate video of theirs. That channel deserves all the extra attention it can get and just like this one really elevates the whole community with amazingly nuanced analysis that efficiently breaks down gameplay that further enhances our enjoyment of the game as well as gives a gateway for newer players to more advanced concepts. It's all done so well that it can be understood and enjoyed by any level of player/viewer.
Bro your editing has only continued to improve when I thought you had already reached the top two years ago. Love your content, hoping you get a juicy sponsor this year
I was wondering why this topic seemed so familiar, I had seen the Melee Moments video about it. Really cool to give it some context within the rest of the match though and some further breakdown, good stuff Walt!
When I clicked, I thought it was going to be a breakdown of that last parry on Mang0 that lead to the jab reset up air string, but MAN, I loved everymoment of this video. I'm a relatively new melee fan, and I am absolutely enamored with this kind of vid. especially when its about aMSa lol.
Incredible to see the yoshi break down of amsa's incredible run and execution. Definitely a wake up call for the melee community that the game isn't just about knowing top tier matchups, especially with a character as wonky as yoshi. You can see it in commentators watching amsa that are at a loss of words over most of the yoshi tech that amsa has mastered: melee always has more under its skin
To put it very succinctly, since Yoshi's armour 'ignores' anything below 120 kb, you can tank most moves at low-mid % and keep DJing, or counterhit. That's the first stage. When a move just barely breaks armour (say 125 knockback), Yoshi takes so little knockback (5 here) that for a short while he can still counterhit almost immediately. Past a certain point, he starts taking more kb and won't be able to counterhit, and is at risk of another move comboing. Defensive options are usually better here (sdi, fastfall, airdodge, ...). Anything beyond 200kb sends Yoshi into tumble, counterhitting is 100 % impossible, Yoshi is sweating. Those are the four stages that apply to most moves. Some set kb moves never break armour so you're stuck in stage 1. Others break armour at 0% so go straight to stage 2. That's the general dynamic, and why I call it 'the four stages of Yoshi armour'. It's also why knowing the % where armour reaches different thresholds is important as or vs Yoshi. % matter perhaps more so than in most matchups, even at high-level where punish game is so strong that % isn't as big a deal in a way.
thanks for the s/o walt! :) loved the analysis and visuals. the section on the drill interaction with yoshi's DJ armor was especially great!
Appreciate you letting me use your short in this! Looking forward to a more formal collab soon!
TDFW found Melee Moments, I see.
Love that fucking channel so much, it deserves to pop off
i was feeling a little weird about this video until i saw you specifically added melee moments guy. Great video
We love to see it creators signal boosting creators
3:37 Editing in Yoshi doing egg lay was a pretty sick edit. Also the having that same Yoshi fading away as the actual match continues was really cool.
Amazing commentary from Drake&Josh Official UA-cam Channel
thanks
This was an excellent breakdown of so many things in Melee! Editing was great as well!
Wow, I've been out of the melee scene for quite some time, and seeing the incredible editing in this production goes to show just how far everything has come. This is really amazing stuff man, really excited to see more.
This production quality is so insane
The depth of this is fucking awesome, seeing the alternate timeline option animated right next to the clip is great
so proud of soonsay. Alberta is such a fun region to be part of.
This is the level of concise editing and analysis that will help so many people see why melee is so deep. Amazing work Walt 🤩
The moment that truly defined the big house 10 was the last 10 seconds of grand finals.
On fd in the last stocks. Amsa paries the firefox and starts a combo and wins. If amsa has not paried it fire fox would have put the yoshi % too high and combod into fox upair and mango resets.
I thought this would be a M2K vid based on the name 😂 great work!!!
most underrated channel on youtube
i call this the era of premium melee content.
absolutely nasty procution GJ! looking forward to more
Crazy effort and edits
This game is crazy lmao
Thats my goat :') great vid
sick video through and through
A bit of an unfortunate coincidence that you and Phraser both had the same idea, but just goes to show how special this moment was
where did you find the .slp files for the tournament? the only 2022 tournament the slippi website has the files for is shine
I got them from the TOs
@@turndownforwalt damn, wish they were public
Amsa has the best popoff in melee XD
You specifically mentioned his depth of knowledge but aMSa said in Twitter that he didn't know it was 1 frame lol
Obviously he knows a ton, as shown in the other clips. I just thought it was funny.
See you soonsay
THERES SLIPPI FILES FOR BIG HOUSE???
Well but also mokey would have had to do a really fast option to beat the up tilt
This is Soonsay, not moky.
@@SeriousStriker no this is Steve moky went home yesterday
Not only is this just taking Melee Moments video and adding three minutes of unnecessary fluff on the bookends, TDFW literally uses the thumbnail to the Melee Moments video at 4:25.
I literally worked with them on this video, which was why you didn’t hear their bgm in this cut, but go the fuck off I guess
Embarrassing
That was a phenomenal breakdown, you're easily one of the greatest Smash creators ever
Thank you so much!
Blows my mind so hard that he can just react and go "this 3 frame window doesn't have enough combo potential, lets go for the 1 frame window" almost as as much as the fact he actually hit it too
He actually has the whole micro sequence in active muscle memory there even though it only works when both players are at very low percent. It's way too fast to raw react, there is a great amount of diligence in the training regiment to be able to have that level of confidence. He very likely isn't thinking about frame windows but, rather that he already has a plan for when both players are low percent in this match-up, and is ready to pull out every possible power move for the situation, regardless of how much training he needs to pull them off.
common amsa W
you aint even watch the whole video yet lmfao
@@iSShadowzz common amsa W
@@iSShadowzz i finished the video,common amsa W
Beeg yoshi
the fact both Melee moments and Turndownforwalt made a in-depth analysis of this game just shows how perfect the gameplay actually was
BRO MELEE MOMENTS GOATED. What a cool Collab
Just like the melee community to be the best supporter of the melee community. We love to see it
@@0000-r2b Melee is so sick. Started watching during 2015 and haven't looked back. Game is hard to play but watching from UA-cam is so awesome
I've played it for 20 years and still suck...just so much. It's all fun though. Give it a chance. It'll make pro stuff seem even cooler imo
good Melee Moments cameo! was a little bummed when i saw the title at first because of their video, but it's good to know it's with blessing!
We stan aMSa, single handedly moving his main all over the tier lists
PHRASER DUB BABY MELEE MOMENTS BEST NEW CHANNEL IN SMASH
Definitely a good idea to keep pushing this type of content, these videos blow up in the algorithm it seems
This took already high quality analysis and raised it even further. The editing at 3:41 is so cool and feels like legit sports
This video is so well produced! I love the editing! Are you doing all this by yourself?
Edit: just seen in description Kao is editing, still you guys are on fire, great work
Yep, they’ve been taking the last few Frame Data videos and they’re killing it!
Love this format walt. Thank you for your content as always. I love in depth analysis like this
There is just one aspect that people don't know about. The input queue. This aspect interract extremely well at times with Yoshi, thankfully. Because it is extremely specific to certain move inputs OR jump. The crucial part was that aMSa knew it would work here, thus. But it is a bit more repeatable than what it seems like due to timing the inputs well. Taking nothing away from amsa ofcourse! But once more, Yoshi is better than people think!
Melee moments x Tdfw lessgooooooo
Definitely check out MeleeMoments if you liek this type of content. His stuff is really good. Glad walt gave him a bit of limelight.
I feel like knowing that uptilt was the best option was more impressive than hitting the one frame window.
Your editing is so good and really adds value to your breakdowns of these moments
Your frame data videos are always amazing. Like most Melee people, I have no idea how Yoshi works. This was great.
please stop pronouncing fete as fay-t, its fe-t like a fez
I HAVE LITERALLY ASKED THE CREATORS OF THE EVENT HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT AND NO ONE GIVES THE SAME ANSWER
The double head nod is so cute
Crazy how aMSa would have to kill a god in order to make history… with Melee’s most ambiguous, middle-man amphibian.
This editing is insane
Amsa is truly incredible. When he said he was gonna level up when he moved to NA he wasn't fucking joking.
wait so is the uptilt 2 frame perfect inputs? One for the tech and one for the uptilt?
Would have been cooler if the music from the original Melee Moments vid was added during his section, woulda had a "new challenger incoming" feel imo, feels empty without it. If it's about copyright then it's cool 🤙
hey so uhhhhhhh this is the best fucking melee analysis I've ever seen. please keep doing this, it was AWESOME.
Wish I can give more likes. I'm not in competitive, but I understand this so clearly from the vids, keep up the great work 🔥
At this point I've prob seen Amsa win TBH10 in like 10 different videos and each time it makes me tear up
3:30 so that's why I was asked for the .slp for this game lol.
Yoshi is such an anime character. Is clearly not the most gifted character, but has some hidden jutsu that lets him turn the fight instantly
i remember when the first melee moment video was posted to twitter
and amsa explicitly said he didn't know uptilt was a just frame in that scenario in the replies
This is by far the most informative and important melee channel. Thank you for all your hard work.
unequivocally the best technical breakdowns around. Really excellent stuff
So much to say about this video. First I think it's so great hearing such in depth commentary for melee in general because you don't always get play by play commentary during matches let alone at half this level of knowledge (not knocking commentators because the game is so fast and before you can explain most things 10 other things already happened). Also Amsa's option select in the situation just shows how truly insane his level of play is. In a game this fast, he has the awareness in a very short window to both pick the optimal option when what will and won't work is already just separated by one or two frames, but then also executes it perfectly. He has more neurons firing in his brain in one second of gameplay than me watching an entire match trying to follow everything he's doing.
And then you have that guest come in to give some extra analysis and ask that we check them out too (and I'm thinking yeah sure who is this?) and it's the amazing Melee Moments who I subbed a few weeks ago after seeing just one immaculate video of theirs. That channel deserves all the extra attention it can get and just like this one really elevates the whole community with amazingly nuanced analysis that efficiently breaks down gameplay that further enhances our enjoyment of the game as well as gives a gateway for newer players to more advanced concepts. It's all done so well that it can be understood and enjoyed by any level of player/viewer.
Real excited for melee moments to show off their knowledge. Their one frame link video was a great thing to find in my home page
what's the intro song
Darude sandstorm
kaiji reference :0
zawa zawa
The most technical fighting game ever made. there is no other
Great play by play for frame by frame decisions.
Bro your editing has only continued to improve when I thought you had already reached the top two years ago. Love your content, hoping you get a juicy sponsor this year
And I remember your comments from those years ago too! Thank you so much for sticking around 😊
Great analysis. aMSa is an absolute demon
Hey did I play you on unranked a few days ago? Person with your tag was playing Mario
Probably was me!
Thanks for crediting me. Glad that wall of text was useful to you.
Thanks for writing it! It helped a lot!
Great editing
I was wondering why this topic seemed so familiar, I had seen the Melee Moments video about it. Really cool to give it some context within the rest of the match though and some further breakdown, good stuff Walt!
When I clicked, I thought it was going to be a breakdown of that last parry on Mang0 that lead to the jab reset up air string, but MAN, I loved everymoment of this video. I'm a relatively new melee fan, and I am absolutely enamored with this kind of vid. especially when its about aMSa lol.
BIG COLLAB HUGE W LOVE U BOTH
That was gold content
That's fucked up
love it walt but would it not be "first ever solo yoshi main"?
What
Please stop calling it a one frame link. We don’t need smashers using more FG terminology incorrectly.
I said one frame window, no?
@@turndownforwalt I meant the other guy, should’ve specified my bad.
amazing vid, common banger
what is the song in the opening?
Incredible to see the yoshi break down of amsa's incredible run and execution. Definitely a wake up call for the melee community that the game isn't just about knowing top tier matchups, especially with a character as wonky as yoshi. You can see it in commentators watching amsa that are at a loss of words over most of the yoshi tech that amsa has mastered: melee always has more under its skin
DUDE I WAS EXPECTING SOMETHING ELSE, THEN THE "did you miss it?" GOD I GOT SO HYPED UP
This was so gross, wp aMSa
Kreygasm for frame data
The commentator we need
What a masterfully well done video. The rest of the fgc would kill to have such detailed, well written and edited content ❤
i fuckin love melee man
hey walt, what are your opinions on the bad commentary that pro melee sets have to offer?
I am the worst commentator because I talk about the game too much
@@turndownforwalt thats why youre a good commentator
5:46 wild editing
I loved this so much, as an ult player this is the kind of content that makes me want to pick up melee
Amsa the goat fr
8:00 Controller smash is always my favorite tech
Super stoked to see MeleeMoments getting some spotlight. Great vid TDFW!
What are the 4 parts of double jump armor?? Can anyone explain lol
The thread is linked in the description now!
To put it very succinctly, since Yoshi's armour 'ignores' anything below 120 kb, you can tank most moves at low-mid % and keep DJing, or counterhit. That's the first stage.
When a move just barely breaks armour (say 125 knockback), Yoshi takes so little knockback (5 here) that for a short while he can still counterhit almost immediately.
Past a certain point, he starts taking more kb and won't be able to counterhit, and is at risk of another move comboing. Defensive options are usually better here (sdi, fastfall, airdodge, ...).
Anything beyond 200kb sends Yoshi into tumble, counterhitting is 100 % impossible, Yoshi is sweating.
Those are the four stages that apply to most moves. Some set kb moves never break armour so you're stuck in stage 1. Others break armour at 0% so go straight to stage 2.
That's the general dynamic, and why I call it 'the four stages of Yoshi armour'. It's also why knowing the % where armour reaches different thresholds is important as or vs Yoshi. % matter perhaps more so than in most matchups, even at high-level where punish game is so strong that % isn't as big a deal in a way.
Thanks!
Japan number 1
great vid! i barely have an entry-level understanding of this game so these vids are super interesting
holy shit amsa
My favorite series on this platform easily
how well done is this video
its burnt
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