The 0.017 seconds that won $46,611.60
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Mango won a 10 Game Grand Finals at #SmashSummit11 by a single frame. In this episode of Frame Data, we break down how it happened.
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FULL SET: • Zain vs Mang0 - GRAND ...
REFERENCES:
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►[Magus] Pummels Explained: / how_to_get_more_damage...
►Mew2King shows how important a single frame is in Melee: / mew2king_shows_how_imp...
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That first set was a spectator experience unlike any other I've seen in this game. Zain hadn't lost on FD in almost 2 years and Mango took 2 games back to back. Can't wait for all the Grand finals these two will have over the years
what the actual fuck. i know that zain was and still is insane at melee but holy shit.
Didn't he lose fd games in the summit champions week wym
@@mlalbaitero I think they meant to fox
@@michaelbrady7104 o yeah
I was talking to my friend who doesn’t know much about melee and we both got to watch this set, I think this set got him hooked. Beautiful set and I can’t wait for summit 12
Damn. M2K has been right all this time, but I never thought I'd actually see Melee get to this level. "If you aren't frame perfect, you aren't good enough"
To be fair this was a coincidence, Fox didn't have to actually press frame-perfect, he was just lucky that Marth was too slow.
@@Chraan Zain was a frame late
@@samgould8567 By that logic every single game which includes real time requires frame-perfection, which is not the case of course. I can show you a video where a single frame decided the end of an Age of Empires 2 game, but still it is ridiculous to claim that you have to play Aoe2 frame-perfect.
@@Chraan a ton of first person shooters are decided by single frames
@@dazeen9591 Why do you tell me that? FPS are THE classic example of frame-perfect games.
"If you're not frame perfect, 99 times out of 100, you're not good enough"
Brutal
You can be frame perfect but still have poor option selection or timing and lose. There's so much that goes into it it's insane
With these singular frames making the difference now, we are only a few short years away from port priority deciding the tournaments!
More likely, if it comes down to that, a mod will be implemented which removes port priority
each day gone by is a day closer to the year 20XX
there are geniuses who can see the game frame by frame with perfect timing who will never place in a major because a good chunk of melee is reading your opponent. being able to read frame data is essential, dont get me wrong, but being able to read your opponent is equally important in my opinion. theres playing melee and then theres playing smash. melee is knowing the engine, timing, and frame data, and smash is knowing how to adapt and overcome an opponents playstyle. an ultimate player whos good at smash could be even with a melee player whos good at melee and vice versa.
but hey im not an expert, this is just my opinion
I remember seeing this interaction live, but it was on someone else's livestream, and they started watching it halfway through the last game.
For context, I'm an Ultimate player, had no idea what Mango did to get to this point, didn't know the relationship between Mango and Zain, and didn't catch Zain's double jump inside the platform.
Put simply, I see the set play out, Zain misses the ledge, the commentator says "Zain SDed!", and I think "Well that was anticlimactic. Good match though."
Boy was I wrong.
unlucky
Cool that you still checked it out man! Sometimes it's easy to forget how much of the nuance of the things you love are lost on people looking in from outside, and it's awesome seeing that content like this helps interested parties get a glimpse of that
play melee instead,
@@zachstarattack7320 he gets it
@@magicbread8111 he better go “get” melee on his pc and start playing
The real story isn't about a 1-frame trick, it's the panic double jump after. If Zain ate the up air, he would have been fine. It's not frames, it's staying cool under pressure.
Zain has mastered the art of losing by a hair.
i despise how true this is
Marthritis
Frame perfect loss
Best breakdown of any Melee moment I've ever watched. I'm really impressed by your insight into the game. I learned a couple things actually! Incredible work, Walt. This video was a pleasure to view for sure.
Looking forward to watching this after I get home from my Melee/P+ local 🙌
these super slow mo moment by moment breakdowns are INCREDIBLE for learning TY
zain's a patron on a video about how he lost $20k lol
I remember when M2K broke this down it was so crazy!
Great watch. I bought a 20th Anniversary mug. You rock dude. Cheers.
1 frame... speedrunners know about 1 frame... I felt this.
The minute this was done I was like "A frame data on this would be incredible," thanks for making it happen!
Videos like this amaze me because both of these players are doing all of this interpretation and reacting IN REAL TIME. Top players are cracked man.
yessirrrr this is the kinda breakdown we need more of
First time I proper sat down and watched most of a melee tourney and god DAMN did it not disappoint.
I think the craziest part of that interaction might be that Mango managed to stop Zain from landing on both the right side platform and the stage in order to get his double jump back.
Honey it's time to watch Summit 11 Grands again
the way this shit is playing at .1x speed and the caster is reading off whats happening as fast as possible is just fucking insane
Great breakdown. Glad I found this channel on my front page.
that's the first time ive ever heard a crowd at a summit event
"Thats one for the books..."
Go on...
Have been waiting for this! I think this is the first frame data that where I watched the event live.
not to sound like im trying to be galaxy brain, but when mango shielded that up air I thought of that M2K quote and knew he was going to have something to say about it
going to play this at 2x speed every day to pretend i'm learning something and understanding a single word of what's being said
most expensive frame in melee history.
Amazing video. Question, if he shielded on the same frame that Zain hit his shield, why wasn’t it a power shield?
What a set, what a tournament, what a time for Melee!!!
I caught that myself when I watched it... but I never expected it to be 1 frame away from being a hit... damn. cool video btw.
This kind of thing is soooo appreciated. I love watching melee but I haven’t played since I was a kid. The speed is exciting to watch but most of the time I have no idea what’s going on
worst part is that if zain didnt doublejump to get a good followup, he would have been on time.
but he also wouldn't have gotten a followup since he'd need to wait for the upair to end to act again instead of landing on platform.
thats tough, man.
Best melee moment ever broken down by turndownforwalt is a gift from God
another amazing moment you have covered.
I will never complain about my phantom hits again. Probably.
Minor correction: we can tell from the sound that it wasn't a sourspot UAir.
"Fuck Leffen" - the goat
HOLY SHIT is this the new meta of analyzing games; cause if so I'm so in. (and I'm only 2mins into the vid xd)
Amazing vid (: feels like he was kinda 1 frame late but also 6 frames late, ya know? But I guess technically if he was 1 frame earlier it would've connected, but also if he was 2-6 frames faster it would've connected too. So he had a window.
YOU DIDN'T DROP THE BALL ZAIN
So you're saying Zain did drop the ball bc he has a reasonable window to hit tech in place, not just 1frame?
@@etin97 ua-cam.com/video/uJIlJQauwVk/v-deo.html
Zain has this dream pretty often
*nightmare
"$40,000 frame"
To clarify, if Zain, hadn't of double jumped to ensure he could follow up would he have been early enough / also in range?
He would have been early enough but not been able to land on the platform in order to combo off it, which is why he went for the jump first
marth punish: 8% poke into get shine combod
fox punish: ultra instinct full stock combo
YESSSS NEW FRAME DATA WOOOOO
Who else didn't know marth pummels with his knee?
As someone who never watched or played this, I was amazed by the detail and terminology. I'm pretty sure you did really awesomely with the commentary. Though a slim possibility it's all made up :D
Nah tdfw is really cool! These videos have made him a staple for a lot of live melee commentary blocks, which is nice.
I‘m having the strongest dejavu on this one. Wasn‘t there a similar Situation a few months ago? Down to the characters and moves? Or are my Crazy Pills Not working?
Would've been cool to show the follow up Zain would've gotten (probably f smash) if the up air connected.
Great vid as usual
Melee is so sick
This was a lot longer than 0.017 seconds
This is an epic gamer moment from Walt people
Was zain going for side plat or bottom plat after the double jump?
Dear algorithm, thanks man, this one slaps
Is this a reupload? I feel like I’ve seen this exact title before.
Actually mighta been the m2k video
Summit 12 next week? im confused. I guess i am out of the loop I had no idea Summit 12 was so soon. It seems like 11 just happened.
Summits happen twice a year, don't they?
it does kinda feel like summit 11 was just the other week lmao 2021 kinda flew by, hope we get this runback
What’s the intro song?
Imagine the nerves.
I know this is irrelevant but why are the misc. logos all blurred?
They were parodied versions of the Olympic rings with shines, which is apparently copyrighted
@@NintenJoe funny how an international sign for laying down arms to compete in the peak of physical form, is maintained in such a way.
not even close
Melee is sick af
melee is just real time chess
quick question why it didn't powershield if it hit on the same frame?
The hit box of the attack has to hit the shield’s inner reflection hitbox within 4 frames of activating shield in order to power shield, so zain’s up air didn’t hit the reflection hitbox
*remembers melee has no buffer system* oh fuck . jesus
I think he dropped the ball
I mean that’s assuming zain finishes mango off that hit
Goddam this run was epic. Melee is sick
I've never even played this game. Why did I watch this?
Video starts 4:16
If it hit the first frame of shield, why no powershield?!
Don't think it was a hard shield
turn down for walt
Seeing how much happens in such short intervals of time begs the question: these guys both take Adderall, right?
Mango was crossfaded on weed and vodka redbulls, Zain dead sober
2:14 thats not cc, its just asdi down.
Frames of the game are different than frames on m2ks UA-cam video, so him going frame by frame on the video doesn’t prove it was 1 frame off of hitting.
This is awesome
i would also name this video "The 20,000$ Frame" but this is also top tier
who will win summit 12
But Mang0 doesn't care about frame data...
Why didn't it powershield?
Mango held L/R for tech into buffering shield rather than pressing L/R that exact moment.
Should’ve down b once he got counter on top platform he was way ahead
gdlk as always!
Just for clarification: you start your analysis by saying "it appears mango attempts to turn around uptilt" followed by "...after mango cc's the hit". One cannot be in a move and cc simultaneously, as i'm guessing your probably know and meant to say asdi down. But these inconsistencies in how the community talks about the game, is not good by any means.
Okay hax calm down we get it.
@@E-Brightvoid Thanks dad, your encouragement has always meant the most to me.
Why does the title say 611 when its 692
When I originally voiced this the Wikipedia had a different payout amount
@@turndownforwalt oh I see, cool!
Hell yeah a new walt vid
This is epic
I don’t get how people freaked out about the “frame perfect” shield from Mang0 here. He literally just held the trigger after he teched.
20xx looms near
Me before watching this, is this a reupload
Im pretty sure m2k made a video like this aha
He smash di's the uptilt, I cant believe you missed that.
That was the only reason the up air doesnt hit.
content
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Didn’t ask
The language was 2 weeb 4 me
Neat
cool
what a waste of life
while i see where mewtwoking was coming from, this could have been said for literally ANY stock throughout the set.
You should've collabed with M2K on this one