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Three On Three: Comparing Entry-Level Watches With In-House Movements
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2018
- We’re back with another installment of Three On Three, our series of comparative reviews of three watches that belong to a single type. This time around, we’re going head to head to head with entry-level in-house automatics from three of the big brands.
Our lineup of watches covers a price range of $3,800 to $5,400, meaning that these are watches that would, in theory, be solid contenders for someone’s first nice automatic watch. Of course, new mechanical watches can be had for less, but there are real advantages to spending a bit more for a watch with an in-house movement from a respected manufacture. The watches we have here today are three of the best values in contemporary watchmaking.
So, just what do you get by buying into the entry levels at Rolex, Omega, and Grand Seiko that you wouldn't get with a comparatively less expensive watch with a supplied movement? As you’ll see, each of these three brands provides you with something special and compelling, even if you’re only buying their most affordable timepieces, so choosing which of these three watches to add to one's collection is no easy decision.
Despite the fact that these are among the most affordable options from each brand, the personality of each watchmaker manages to come through - whether it's Omega's use of advanced technologies and certifications for its movements, or Grand Seiko's painstaking attention to finishing details, or Rolex's legendary capacity to make products of steadfastly robust quality at scale. Without further ado, here's your Three On Three.
For the full review, go to: www.hodinkee.com/articles/thr...
> Talk about how fantastic the Grand Seiko is, how much handwork goes into it
> Say that the Omega on different straps is the perfect allrounder
> Praise the price and quality of both GS and Omega
> "I'd choose the Rolex."
It gets so boring.
Agree. The grand seiko and aqua terra are killing that rolex in every way.
"What's your favorite entry-level watch brand, GS, Omega or Rolex?
- lol, wut?"
entry level
_cries in college_
$3800-$5400, "someone's first nice automatic watch", yeah sure. My first was a $150 Seiko 5. Now I'm up to $400 Presage and Samurai now. The cool thing about Seiko is the quality and value for money is there in all price points.
make more money. You are also comparing one company that is a giant multinational with every other company on earth.
@@android61242 You do know that Omega is a part of the Swatch group, right? And that Rolex is pretty much the only brand anyone who knows nothing about watches thinks when ask to name a high end watch brand? So to have Seiko offer a wide variety of affordable watches and still compete head to head with those focusing only on high end watches is a testament to their skill.
@@mrand3r50n3 you buy watches from only one company and compare them to every other firm on earth. period. Nothing you said means anything and they don't really compete at all. They all tackle different markets and the seiko is the only one with no balance bridge or free sprung balance. There is a reason why the seiko costs thousands less and no one wants to buy one and its not swiss marketing.
@@android61242 yeah just make more money lol
Can you name another company that has offerings in so many different price points with in-house automatic movements? Swatch Group is another one but it's more of an umbrella for different brands and the prices start at around $350 for a Hamilton. Rolexes actually cost thousands more because they limit supply to keep demand and prices high and why they can do that is decades of clever marketing through pop culture icons. Saying that Seiko doesn't even compete in the high end is just not true.
More like the honest hardworking man's end game model.
LOL. It's funny because it's true.
Grand seiko is definitely an aspiration.
For real lol
Yes 🔥 I wanna get the new 126000 ref with the Coral Red face but mark ups are way too much 😔
Stop thinking like a low life
That Omega is the pick of the bunch , stunningly beautiful
I feel like the jumping hour hand function is overlooked in the Omega. What a great feature that allows you to easily switch timezones when traveling without losing accuracy.
Grand Seiko would be my pick
i'm happy that GS started to get the recognition it deserves
I get the purpose of comparing the "entry-level" watches from each luxury brand, but when the Grand Seiko is about 2/3s the price of the other two, it doesn't make for the most fair comparison. More fair would be a similarly priced Grand Seiko...which would actually be the Snowflake.
It highlights for me how much of a bargain Grand Seiko's are compared to their Swiss counterparts.
“Entry level” is the single best keeping up with the Jones’s marketing phrase ever.
Like entry level toilets?
@@secondopinion6654 What does 'luxury toilet' even mean?
@@Mister_Phafanapolis You're on the interweb, try using it.
@@Mister_Phafanapolis LOL. You people always end up there.
@@secondopinion6654 Physically fight me, you boomer incel.
I like that for only about 15,000 dollars I can get a nice starter watch collection.
Omega : great movement .
GS: hand finished dial
Rolex: mmm it just looks good
the omega is soooo nice looking tho
Fanboys
I would say out of these 3 I would chose the omega.
Same
I bought it and it's impossible to fathom from a video just how incredible it looks in person!
Same!
That omega is a great timepiece! It’s just awesome !!
Chrono24 2022
Rolex OP 36 mm: ~8000$
Omega Aqua Terra 150m co-axial: ~4000$
GS SBGR253: ~2500$
Entry level watch with in-house movement would be a Seiko 5. Bitches.
Very disappointed that the discussion didn’t end up in a fistfight with one another.
That OP is very nice and I especially like the double lines at the 3, 6, 9.
Grand seiko is under rated.
“Entry level”, he says. Most folks would consider these grail watches.
For the brand. No. Also "most people" don't make good fiancé all decisions from a young age to be able to afford these watches
Echoed my sentiments exactly!
They’re considered entry level in those respective brands
They’re considered entry level in those respective brands
They have Rolex’s nuts resting nicely on their chins.
The Three on Three has always been one of my favorite series. Glad to see it’s back and that we are talking about approachable luxury.
I would take the GS,
this is one of the Watches you could keep on the bracelet and run around the city for your whole life, put it on a NATO and climb Mount Everest or get a nice leather band and go for a dinner with some executives and the watch will not feel out of place in any of those situations. That's the thing that I love about Seiko's and GS's.
That GS is a killer....
Grand Seiko for me. Very beautiful watch, high quality finish and look different than other watches.
Missed these series so much!!! back to basics Hodinkee... back to basics!!! the newer oyster perpetual is the best simple entry level rolex I've seen since the 936 114200 air king (IMHO). Well done guys!
Grand Seiko is finished to a higher standard to either of them
and cheaper
Entry Level - $5000 🤓
More like $7000
Hmmm, an entry-level watch with in-house movement would be something like an Orient or them Seiko 5s. This is obviously beyond entry-level. And frankly speaking at that price point you should get a Grand Seiko Spring Drive. It's winter, get a Snowflake.
maidpretty entry level means the cheapest watches a particular brand offers m8
That Grand Seiko is amazing!
Maybe call it entry luxury instead of entry-level watches. It sounds a little bit presumptuous.
From these three I think I would go for the Aqua Terra: great look, right size and very versatile. Only the strap looks a little bit too off. The GS and especially the Rolex look boring.
they are entry level luxury watches... for each brand they are the entry level mechanical watch... don't be so triggered by the term entry level, you're literally taking it personally on behalf of major corporations
"Entry-Level Watches WITH IN-HOUSE MOVEMENTS"
@@jojacvonkekebau3686 A $250 Orient also has an in house movement. The word luxury should be in there somewhere.
I think the Omega is far and away the best and best looking
Just got my self an omega a few weeks ago I love mine !
SEIKO....it’s the only brand to beat at 28800 bph and still get a 72 hour pour reserve...Amazing !
That’s like comparing cars only in a straight line sprint. There’s so much more to consider
It's very impressive. The Tudor Black Bay comes very close. The MT5652 in the GMT is 70h and 28.8k. I bet you can get 72h out of it, just Rolex / Tudor being prudent and not over promising yet under delivering.
Lee Harrold and the MT5813, of which I have in my Tudor BB Chrono. Does 72... 😊
@@MrFrogbot1 you are right, but considering the price range difference that's amazing too.
This was such a great and informative conversation. Thoroughly enjoyed. More Three on Three please.
More like the battle of the best salesmen lol
Rolex guy says "this watch keeps time, and that's it" in 20 sentences, amazing.
Don't forget "legible." He says that a lot about the Rolex.
Rolex = boring
@@ToolwatchBoutique Well stated!
For all the people complaining about the "misleading" title: these are three entry-level watches FOR THOSE SPECIFIC BRANDS. Nowhere does it say that these are budget watches.
if the title requires extra lines of explanations, in this context, then is definitely misleading. Quite a shame for the level of this discussion
It's Hodinkee, I automatically assumed their definition of "entry" had the asterisk of "luxury watches"
Great review Gentlemen. I'm the proud owner of that exact model Rolex oyster perpetual 36mm in white for about 2 months now and it has completely taken over my wrist time with my other watches. I think bcuz it's so comfortable to wear you forget it's on your wrist.
Please stop calling these entry level
They are the entry level to each brand…
They're entry level to some. 10 years ago out of college, I dreamt of a $4000 aquaterra, and in my current collection or Rolex and Vacheron, it would be entry level. You should double your net worth every 7 years, so the goal (which I did) would be to get a solid career and save for a couple years before moving out on your own...
@@pwally2714inspirational comment ❤️
Or what?
This is entry lvl luxury watches
@@jamied931 no they are not. The aqua Terra is more expensive than the omega seamaster professional and the omega railmaster. It's €7000 on the bracelet these days more than what the Rolex perpetual is selling for new at retail
The Omega is a beauty! Definitely would be my choice.
The OP36 wins it for me. It might not be as fancy or as complicated as the other two, but like a W123 Mercedes-Benz, it’s classic, understated, overbuilt, bulletproof, and just exudes bank vault quality.
But the Gs is better made......get macro zooms and see who has the worst tool marks.........
It also exudes boredom. Omega for the win.
Strong arguments for all three watches! I agree with James, an easy three watch collection. Also, there are lots of similar versions of different vintages and price ranges, so there is something for everyone. Gotta love the classic steel three handers!
Orient is actually entry level in house movements so people who want a watch that better describes the title go check them out
I did and own one and I absolutely love it.
Really enjoy my orient bambino
You got it, great company
They are referring to entry level to the luxury market. You would struggle to find an orient that has an in house movement, as well as being finished to the level that these 3 are
@@superalmond6796 they misnomered the title because it is false advertising. Most if not all Orients have in house movements and are amazing quality for the price.
They should have titled it entry level luxury watches but they left that word out therefore, not well thought out. Also, some of their reasons are ridiculous and down to pure snobbery.
I consider myself very very lucky to own the Omega AT (the very same one seen here) But I wouldn't call it an entry level, it cost more than my wifes car !!....... I know that cos she keeps reminding me !
It's an entry level Omega because it's one of their least expensive models.
I rathen go for grand seiko snowflake, that is a great unique white dial
Got a vincero ad after this lol, what a scam.
with these three watches, i would say: Rolex have the best bracelet. Omega the best movement. GS the best dial. all 3 are fine watches but definitely not entry level
Describing the Omega AT as a fairly interesting 'vacation watch'?? I'll just chuck on my £4000 watch and head down to the beach. ..
Mark Gill That watch is pretty robust. What's the point of spending $5000 on a watch and not wearing it?
I really think you need consistency with these types of comparisons. Either have them all on a bracelet or all on a strap. Mixing and matching creates vast changes in feel and wrist presence.
Omega needed to have a bracelet too. I agree
Love this segment. Would love to see more of these.
Great great video, fully consistant on comparing concurrent watches. The OMEGA is far above the 2 other ones. There are many reasons that let me say that, so I just give you one : just look the "côtes de Genève" canvas machine tooled on the movement, all congruent between all pieces, just this sight is pure art.
My favorite in-house, entry level, watch is the Seiko SXK007...
Omega & Rolex to impress others,
Seiko to impress yourself.
I've never met somebody who has recognized an Omega, other than fellow watch enthusiasts. Rolex on the other hand, is to impress others.
Agree with Mitch, Omegas in the US at least are for watch guys. Just grabbed a Nomos, and am getting the GS snowflake next. Cannot wait.
It takes a brave man to chose grand Seiko or omega vs Rolex. Even though objectively they are better. Brand appeal. Most people who buy grand Seiko or omega already own a Rolex.
Rolex? Omega. Beautiful!
Grand seiko any day! Also more affordable and more accurate I would think.
Because of the higher beat, its actually more accurate. But the movement isn't that good as for omega for example. Its not that big of a difference between the 3
Also likely the watch in this video to take the biggest hit in retention value as well ... Hate to say it, but only people who watch UA-cam videos and browse watch forums even know what Grand Seiko is. It's a very niche market ... Anyone outside of this hobby who is looking to buy a nice watch for a significant other or themselves, would not drop over $3K on a "Seiko" (as they perceive it to be).
Tamás Bene. It is probably a paint to repair if needed
“Entry-level”
I always thought Hodinkee were the biggest player of all time in the watch world. But after I saw all the great people like Mr Goldberger for example I realized that there is a whole new level in watch collecting.. Thanks for introducing these watch gurus to us!
Entry level luxury is such a hilarious concept.
Omega>Rolex>Grand Seiko for these models. The 8800 co-axial movement is amazing. I like the Rolex bracelet the most. I like the drilled lugs and polishing of the Grand Seiko.
Nomos should be featured, given that you can get a genuine in house movement for less than half the price of these. But this is a promotional piece of course.
Honestly for the 1st time this Seiko really stands out among the three for me... I am sold for this GS :)
This omega is one of my dream watches. I love the blue dial and the sporty look
Is it just me or is the Omega obviously the sexiest of the bunch? The dial is so unique.
Actually Omega Seamaster Aquaterra was meant to compete with Rolex Datejust. Due to the brand image gap between two, the Aquaterra is currently compared with OP.. so sad
How do you know that
Excellent Video Guys! looking forward to seeing more
People choose Rolex as mesmerized. Simple, rather boring Oyster Perpetual with an outdated movement, while clearly too small for their rather large wrists.
My choice would be:
1. Omega. The most advanced and versatile out of three.
2. Grand Seiko. Perfect finishing, reliable movement with high power reserve.
3. Rolex (see above).
The 39mm OP would a much better fit for sure.
I hv booked my Omega Aqua Terra in black dial, rubber strap, not available in Oman at present, arriving from Dubai next week ( 3rd October 2020). So excited.
These are your own opinion, I don't find the Rolex boring. These watches are all great and you will be happy with which ever one you got. We have to stop having this stupid watch debtate
GS is my favourite brand, and while I love their current line-up, I also wish they made some more models too choose from with lume and a slighly sportier aesthetic.
For 1 out of these I'd have to go with the AT (and get the bracelet for it as well).
My gut/heart says GS, but my brain says «go sportier». Optimal solution would be to get the AT AND the GS 😊
@@BurntPlaydoh Yes. There are a few in their sport collection, but I wish they made more to choose from. Preferably some with a heritage-collection case shape as well.
it all depend on state of your current collection/and life style . But if i can wear only one watch for the rest of my life. it a GS ofc. The quality is beyond omega or rolex.
Great picks! Love all three of them. I own the black Aqua Terra in 41.5 mm size and also have the Rolex in 36mm with the blue 'Explorer' dial. The GS is a lovely addition. I always wanted to have a Hi-Beat movement in a GS but these pieces are to big for me. So this 37mm reference does look very good! If I should pick just one it would be the Rolex as well I think. Timeless in appearance and value. Thanks for this relaxing watch talk guys!
Nice entry level choices. Enjoyed this video
Grand Seiko all day long.
Love the omega, i'm saving for one of these.
Be sure to pick one up pre owned...luckely they lose some value fast
great energy these 3 guys..
Great video - Great concept! Rolex OP36 Rocks! The omega surprised me as to how perfectly sized it is as a sport watch and super clean design! Down to the wire with these two.
If mainly for resale value, will go for Rolex. If preference is supreme watch making craftsmanship, then the choice is definitely GS!
Why do I get the feeling that if the other watches were in precious metal with complications, they would have still chosen the Rolex?
In case you don’t know, Hodinkee can be based sometimes
They chose the most boring and basic grand seiko for a reason i think...
The white OP in 36 mm is what I am saving for. Number two would be a GS but with a spring drive movement
Grand Seiko’s entry level is their quartz model
If anyone ever hold the Grand seiko on hand, the quality is beyond the omega and the rolex.
I love GS and I want to own one.
If I given a chance to choose one, I'll pick one of the two choices.
You're so right if you see in real life compared to the other two you'll be shocked
The dial only !!
GS every day of the week! You buy a Rolex to impress others, you buy a GS to impress yourself.
@A. B. Well I can tell that you don't own either a GS nor a Rolex, 100%. But as someone who does, I can promise you that Rolex doesn't t have better quality than Grand Seiko.
Omega is playing chess while these other manufacturers are playing checkers. That master chronometer cert along with that co axial movement is king
Steven Craig seiko spring drive?
You can get a GS hi beat model (such as sbgh205) for more similar price point to the Omega and Rolex. That should have been the comparison. Here they put an under $4000 GS against two over $5000 counterparts.
GS best looking of the 3 my opinion
id choose the Omega out of all of them. The strap is what I think makes the watch beautiful. If I chose the Rolex, I would probably put a different strap on it, but it would still be nice to have the band. Right now I'm saving up for that specific Aqua Terra, and i'm super excited to pick it up in a couple of months!
Darian Monsefan , I bought the Aqua Terra and love it!! No regrets! Did you get yours yet?
Like the idea of making the 3 watches a collection, great suggestion, now if you would just like to forward them on I will happily use them as a watch collection. Thanks Guys.
Love my two GSs! My day to day is similar to the one shown, but with the incredibly accurate Spring Drive and i also own their driver..(great 65th birthday present sweetheart!) Of the two the GS diver gets more lust from others.
I've collected Rolex before, so I get the allure and while their strong resale values effect the overall ownership cost, the idea of shelling out $5400 for a watch with sloppy dial work and poor movement finish irks me. It seems like just ten years ago they were still making their bracelets with stamped clasps, but people still bought them anyways because of the name.
@Christopher Wood -MDH- hahahahaha!
@Christopher Wood -MDH- if you have owned other brands of luxury watches you will know that's far from the case my friend
@Christopher Wood -MDH- And yet Rolex happily ship watches with misaligned bezel inserts and misaligned rehaut as was the case with my Hulk. Stop talking shit.
entry level at those price points - only at Hodinkee
What a great benchmarking. I have 38mm aquaterra and op36 but both of them are black dial. My next step is to buy omega seamaster 300, 1957 trilogy. By the way I totally agree with you for op36 as an investment point of view.
Kind Regards
Levent
What year was the OP 36 released. I know the OP 39 was 2018, but I could not find when the OP 36 was released.
That Grand Seiko is fantastic!
Wow. A lot of people sore here in the comments over the use of the term entry-level. You know right off the bat it's not going to be cheap when the three brands are Rolex, Omega, and Grand Seiko. I agree though that the title could have been more accurate along the lines of "entry-level Rolex, Omega, and Grand Seiko watches". In the grand scheme of things in the watch world these are probably lower end of the mid-tier.
Great video and difficult decision to make. I don’t like the latest aqua terra version to be honest, it’s a bit too sporty for my taste, I was couple of times about to pull the trigger on the silver GS. But seeing the Rolex OP, that’s really a beautiful watch. I still would go for the 39mm white dial version as I like the proportions a bit better.
Without in-house movement I definitely would consider the Tudor 41, hope Tudor does introduce next year at Basel a white dial, is they do, well, than I for sure will get one👍🏻
Hello Mr. B !
I keep the Grand Seiko. :)
oscar gustavo arcos ruiz nice reading you here buddy, good pick 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
My favourite video so far...all watches im genuinely interested in.
I've worn all three and I'm currently considering the Omega. I own two already, and it seems I want more. Rolex are awesome, but I find them a better brand more than a better watch, and it always feels like "if you don't get it maybe we're not for you". Grand Seiko have amazing finishes and subtle touches, but they are made for a very small wrist and the straps and bracelets (and especially the clasps) are rubbish. I want to like them, but knowing I will have to immediately dump the strap/bracelet for something aftermarket takes away from the value.
Grand Seiko have released new models that are 40mm wide.
Better title would have been "Entry Level Luxury Watches"
Regardless all three watches are great and if you do buy one it should be based on your own personal taste.
Never buy a watch to impress others buy what you love.
What if you love to impress others? Kidding lol
I took delivery today of the Oyster Perpetual 41mm purely on the basis of its understated and subtle presence. It whispers quality.
It's difficult to say which is the best. Great comparison.