Ep. 16: Adjusting the Sound
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- I love to make instruments. This passion last already since I am 12 years old. The more I make, the more ideas and thing to be done appear in front of me. And the very first sound check of a newborn instrument is the final result of all my past, of all my new ideas included in the process of making the best.
Sound adjustment is a fundamental part in my entire making. It is the moment where you sit down listen and think; I try to understand, and I love to find solutions.
Many colleagues of mine here in Cremona ask to stop by to adjust their newborn instruments. So I believe many out there might have interest to see what I am actually doing in that very moment when the bow for the very first time strikes the strings.
For us, violinmakers, it is extremely difficult to remain objective. Since we love our work, and we identify ourselves with our work, we love any result. Yes, sound adjusting touches also Psychology.
But now I am drifting off…..
Watch and see how I face this process.
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ER
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This just confirms that I made a wise choice sending my violin to a violin maker for work and NOT a music store.
Yessssss!
G 1:29 D 1:30 A 1:32 E 1:33
G 7:21 D 7:22 A 7:24 E 7:25
G 12:37 D 12:39 A 12:40 E 12:41
I can't believe it, I can actually hear the difference. :O
It was absolutely amazing just to listen to him analyzing the sound quality. It was already perfect to me, yet, he was able to explain it for minutes. A true artist. Master.
Good Lord - through the UA-cam Codec and my laptop speakers I heard the instrument open up by a huge degree on moving the bridge 1mm and re-seating the strings. Then the whole unit became ballanced with the soundpost reset. Beautiful job. Clear differences. Thanks.
Thank you for watching!
Thank you so much Edgar. I watched your other videos on the correct starting position for the sound post, how a bass bar is made and fitted to a top. I also saw your video on how the sound post works with the bridge and top. I then set up my 1967 Hofner 3/4 contra-bass and adjusted the bridge position and the soundpost and discovered a whole new instrument! It has tone and power with beautiful growl and warm rich overtones....just fantastic. And all this with 3 year old Spirocores. I used a wire coat hanger as a sound post tool, and a piece of cardboard as a gauge to check bass bar and sound post locations. I wish I had the nice tools you used, as it would have saved me a lot of time. The whole job took me about 4 hours as I also had to fit the feet of the bridge to the top. But the results were worth it. I am sure I could not have done this job and achieved the good results without your helpful knowledge. Saluto Eduardo, chiao, from California. Joseph Jay Mendoza
That makes me happy!
All the best from Cremona
In case you come to Italy stop by here at my shop. Always nice to meet new people.
Edgar: This was excellent. Thank you so much for posting this demonstration. I've heard such micro-adjustments could make a big difference in the sound, but have not seen anyone describe how it is done. I could hear the difference very clearly. Really appreciate your cogent explanation.
You are welcome, David! I am happy to know that you appreciate the video.
Stay tuned and you will get to know much more.
all the best
ER
omggggggg that tone of the G string!!!! soooo powerful and bass-y
Thank you for taking the time to show us how an adjustment is done properly.
I'm an amateur who has enjoyed tuning my little collection of violins for the last 15 yrs. Two things:
1. This just scratches the surface of how to adjust sound. But....
2. This is information (moving the bridge position, which direction he is moving the post) that most luthiers don't share.
There is so much more that comes with his experience of what he's hearing, and seeing the little methods he uses to tweak the bridge placement and reset the string tension.
Really just a joyful little video from a master. Thank you so much!
Wow she is good, and thats an extraordinary sounding violin!
Your ears are insane, just as wonderful as your touch! Its intense what such subtle changes can make out of your instrument!
Thank you so much for sharing
What an excellent video. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing unsharable knowledge! VERY USEFUL!
Thank you so much!
ER
I was wondering, what needs to be done to lower the intensity of very loud E string and relatively loud A string (D and G strings are ideal)? Will a soundpost adjustment fix this issue?
1:28 first, 12:46
Take special note of the wolf b on a string in the first hearing. It sings out rather nicely on the second.
Totally loved this always wondered how the violin was colourfully tuned. Thank you and I hope you show more That was awesome
Genious, i absolutely like the series, it's not so commonl that a great violin maker offer's so much insights to his work and art! > very helpful. No hidden secrets. A violinmaker completely without the somewhere known arrogance!
Grazie per i suoi video maestro e condividere parte della sua esperienza, interessantissimi e pratici, aiutano a porsi domande e cercare risposte e ordine. Definitivamente direi "grande". Buona giornata.
Grazie Simone Cadamuro! Sono felice che le piacciano e che siano utili.
A presto
ER
He is a performer
Wow. This was so informative, thank you.
Thank you!
ER
yes, that's what it takes to obtain a good balance sound on four strings but as you say could fiddle with it all day that actually is all that is required to my ear can't really improve much better but ones ear is different person to person thanks for the video done that so many times
Unbelievable, great information
thank you again.
Absolutely awesome! Thank you for showing the rest of us (mortals) what we can only dream of doing ourselves! Keep up the good work friend! God Bless!
If you use a boxwood tailpiece , titanium adjuster and Kevlar gut you will see a huge improvement in the sound
1:28 antes / before
7:20 Depois / after
I dunno you guys but it don't hear any different, just a flater
12:36
Great video! I would love some more like this!
working hard to do them!
Great video Edgar, and very interesting.
Hi the violin has very powerful and nice sound, how to spell the name? UA-cam caption says "linear Maki" not sure it is the correct spelling. Thank you very much
Nice, continue.
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Hi,
Thanks for your reply. I tried to copy what she did using a small tailpiece and two gut strings....A and D. I must say that after I tuned the strings behind the bridge to B, F#, C# and G# the sound is really very good now. I used a new violin by Wang made in China. I think he’s a good maker and studied in Cremona. Normally I play a Giacomo Zanoli, Verona 1762 and it actually compared very well! I was very surprised!
Bill Perriam
The difference is HUGE !
I've come across several nice older German violins that have the beginning of a crack right at the edge where the saddle and the top of the violin meet. What's going on with the saddle ? Was the saddle fitted too tightly or did the glue on the bottom of the saddle give way and the saddle slipped or maybe is it that coefficient of expansion being different between the spruce and the ebony is causing these cracks is there a solution to keep it from happening again after the repair.
Yes it should be a little space in between. Approximately 1mm all together. 0,5mm on each side.
If you see that it is tight next time you see your violinmaker and there Eis something to do on your instrument and he has to ktake off all strings ask to get it fixed properly. otherwise sooner or later....
all the best
ER
@@EdgarRuss thank you for your advice
Isn't the violin tuned flat for the last demonstration?
Good job Edgar congratulations .. I need an assistant like the girl you have with a lot of patience
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Wow!!!! I too can hear a difference. I have to give myself a pat on the back.
I will use your advise and adjust the instruments in my homes. Thank you!
Question: what would be the optimum vibrating string length (i.e., nut to bridge) for a VIOLA with a body length of 16.5 inches (between 419 and 420 mm)? I cannot easily get to Herr Doktor Professor Ross in Cremona, since i live in BKK, Thailand, so some careful adjustment by self may be in order...
good question, I have to doublecheck and calculate...hold on.........
I think 37,5 to 37,6cm should be perfect.
all the best
ER
@@EdgarRuss : i had not looked at my google items for seemingly millenia, so i had not seen your helpful reply. In any case, thank you for going to the trouble of researching the question, and posting a helpful reply as well! Sincere regards:
Colin R. Wrubleski, aka (pen name) Igor Vrableetch.
P.S.: The knowlegeable dealer "Mr. Nott" of the downtown Bangkok shop Frank Brothers Violins says you are NOT interested in visiting Bangkok to show off your wares, but i would really be grateful if you were willing to change your mind about that. Thanks!^^
@@colinwrubleski7627 Interesting! Because I am actually planing to come in February to Bangkok to the Shop....!
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@@EdgarRuss :Excellent! I shall eagerly await your arrival here in BKK...
You are wonderful. I've been making musical instruments now for 60 years so appreciate very much what you are doing and sharing too. Thanks.
Thank you! ☺️
Glad you appreciate my effort and videos!! Keep watching :)
Sound comparison: 1:27 7:20 8:52 12:43
For me the violin sounds already very good from the beginning and the changes are quite marginal
wah bagus sekali. matur suksma
Dear Dr.Edgar, I would like to ask you something: I have a viola which is about 16'5 inches large (the body, of course) and even tho I really like the sound of it I have a little problem with the sound production. When I play piano sometimes it has some fuzzy sounds instead of the note that I'm playing, almost like a wolf note, but in the very first positions. Sometimes I can't play certain notes at first because it doesn't "contact" well, I don't if I explained it good and you could understand it. Any tips? Thank you so much in advance!
Hi!
I think it is the fingerboard which is not shaped the way it should or the uppersaddlel (nut) is too low. But of course it could be anything else. Pretty hard to tell without having the instrument in front of me.
Where are you from? Maybe you can send me the viola and I will check it, send you how much it will be and if it confirmed I get it done in order that your viola sound as good as possible. Write me an email to egdar@eruss.it.
Looking forward to hearing from you again.
all the best
I would be interested in seeing you set up a violin using the Senza System!
Just googled that... sounds fascinating
I don’t think he would legally be allowed to do that though, there are only a handful of certified luthiers
Great videos, Ive only a minor suggestion in that the sound recording could be better, Id like to hear your voice clearer. Its quite echoy''y if you catch my drift.
I know I know! Imagine that in real it is even more echo here in the workshop. The building is from 1580. The sealing is 4,45meters high. I applied already panels around all walls, carpet, furniture etc.
Believe me that's already after working on it.
Musicians go outside into the garden or in front of the workshop to listen how it is in a echo free environment.
Thanks for your comment!
all the best from Cremona
Edgar
에드가선생님 감사합니다.
싸구려 바이올린이고 막손이지만 스스로 바욜 손보는 재미가 쏠썰하네요.
제 바욜이 제소리를 찾아가고 있어요.
앞으로도 많은 정보 미리 감사드립니다~
I am happy to hear that.
Sorry that it takes always quite long to answer your comments but I am not very fluent in Korean!
Have fun
all the best
ER
Hello edgur i have really old violin but my e string is totally out of balance all other strings are great and very clear but e string is not giving balance sound pls help if any solution for this
Wow your good thanks for you help
I would like to see some double bass stuff Edgar.
Thanks for your video, how can i visit you in your workshope? im from sweden.
That camera refocus at 12:14 was very well timed 😂
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Hi can you repair and adjust may violin
How we can do it
Imho the violin was perfectly tuned before the video was taken and then a bit "distuned" for the demonstration purposes :D
It is not a piece of cake to setup the whole violin and it is really not a 5 minutes job like take a ruler, measure 3 basic measurements and call it a day :D
Just setting the soundpost can take couple of hours because everything is conected to everything, not just position of the upper side, but the lower side as well, which is connected to the length of the soundpost because if you go out, soundpost starts to be too tight in the violin. And any change of the soundpost requires double check bridge, position of strings on the bridge and if you move with the bridge because you moved the soundpost, you need to readjust the tailpiece ... and so on and so on and so on.
In the end you got something which is the possible setup and then you start the second round, changing the strings, changing the weight and material of the tailpiece ... and you can play with it for days.
:D :D :D
I agree Lubor;
But I disagree as well since if you know what you are doing you can achieve already a lot in a few minutes. It is all a question if you have taken the time to measure precisely. Believe you wouldn't enjoy if I would have measured in real time.
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And than I would also underline that you enjoy playing your violin and that you don't become a maniac of sound adjustment, as I am.
Indeed I do it already for years and years.
all the best from Cremona
ER
At what point do you say it’s the string(s) and consider changing them?
When they feel like they are not responding well. ( you would know the difference from when they were new oh, being your violin).
What a ham!
How measure pegs hole viola neck 16 1/2 inch viola
is funny that this video only really had 10k views, and the remaining 60k only watched Ayoung play. UA-cam only registers 6 views per person right? You should really have her on the show more often. 😉
It could be as you say. But after all I think my audience loves to learn that they can actually change the sound of their instrument. A detail most didn't know at all up to this point.
all the best from Cremona
Edgar
I couldn’t hear any issues with the first one, nor any difference in the last one. Untrained ears, I guess.
Its pretty pretentious
Excellenr
Well, the truth is there was a rather large difference in the sound. It is indeed an experience thing..
Where are you located? I’d love to bring my violin for check up
In
Via Mauro Macchi 2a
Cremona,
Italy
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ER
I can hear a big difference in the G
And what about the height of the bridge?
That's something I explained in Episode 13.
all the best
ER
wow! how come just some MILIMETRES can make such a big difference like that????
I am from Saudi Arabia. i wish i could visit you in the future!
That sounds great!
Just write me before you plan your trip in order to be sure that I am here in the workshop.
I am looking forward to welcome you here and to show you my workshop and all my last creations.
My mail address is: edgar@eruss.it
All the best
ER
Edgar Russ Distinguished Violinmaker thank you!! i am addicted to your videos!
i have a question for you. does a violin "go to sleep" if it is not played for some time?
Hello Dear you said 16.5 cm by mistake I think,it must be 19.5 💕thank you for all the videos and important information.
8:53 before final setup
12:37 final setup
well done Kornika!
Thanks
Tout compte: le diapason, les épaisseurs, la barre, la taille du chevalet, le renversement du Manche,l ame et son positionnement,les ff,et le violoniste...
bella sedia :D
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Buona serata!
1:46 12:54
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Thanks
ER
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ER
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Q: Why do most Asians always tune on the lower side? A=438-439
A: Because you can tune a violin not tune-a-fish.
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Sry but this girl took all my attention from u😂 she’s soo pretty
it makes me kinda uncomfortable that she's not allowed to talk but she's on screen only to agree with your assessment. i'm sure your assessment is correct, but she should have the opportunity to give her opinion as well
Never mind the violin, I'd like to take the lovely young lady home with me.
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