@@kristmadsen its because idiots like you click on every clickbait and their views literally goes up exponentially when they do this maybe took a good hard look at yourself first
It's great how Linus can be a good honest critic in front of the people who often make big decisions in the tech industry. It's just as cool to see those guys laugh at some past mistakes and talk about their decisions. This is some of the best PR Intel has ever had, and it made for an extremely enjoyable WAN show. Also, it's been a while since there have been guests on, would love to see this more often.
Not gonna lie: I was sitting the entire time with a feeling of "Ohh no, Linus just said X and now Intel is gonna stand up and leave because Linus is way to free with his thoughts and feelings".... and it never happened. Sure, Tom and Ryan dodged quite a bit when it came to the hot topics, but they talked 500% more freely than I would ever thought possible 5 years ago from Intel employees. I guess Intel has finally understood that being open and natural is a cheap and good PR move.
@@jace4817 There was about 2 times when Tom was talking marketing'y talk, and could see Luke react just ahead of glancing to Linus, knowing what was about to be questioned. Linus did pretty well to respond each time. I'm not saying Tom was wrong though, or even that he was just 'marketing talking' , it didn't have that vibe at all, like how some have a script from which they can't deviate. I found it to be a super chill conversation between professional enthusiasts from both sides of the 'fence'
Hey the sound engineering is ON POINT. I don't know who did it but did an excellent job. No echo, I can hear everyone(mostly) no major imbalances. Hats off.
@@Space-O-2001 Unfortunately here on wan happens a lot of times too when Luke goes silent/whispers or leans out, the voice Linus shatters my eardrums. I suspect they were a lot more focused in this session so there wasn't much movement.
@@XxXnonameAsDXxX Yeah I remember driving to work and I'd have to crank the volume for the talking and then the intro music would come in 20dB higher....which was a nice surprise.
I instantly could tell a difference when the video started but......i have to say it was not friendly on the ears through my speakers compared to the recent shows. It sounds fake. Most wan shows for me have the decent real life sound
Just like with Gamers Nexus, I've gotta say I really appreciate Intel's choice to approach their own products with open, frank discussion about the platform and capabilities. Treating your audience as educated individuals that can learn terms and appreciate details, instead of just meaningless marketing jargon, is a great approach.
I saw no discussion about their platform except some marketing cowfecies. "We are great on supporting useless AV1 encoder!"... Great. What about game's performance, prices and release date? Oh... Nothing about that... Okay. What's about AV1 performance? Oh... Nothing about that too...
@@supernovaws They literally already tested AV1 in another video lmfao. They also DID talk about gaming performance a bit. But they also said they're not quite ready to release numbers. Get a stick out of your ass and maybe you can listen
@@ricardoreis7298 Well Tom grew into the marketing position from an engineering one, so while his new duties probably don't leave much time to stay on top of the game, he at least can comprehend what he (and his teams) are talking about. NVidia is the worst of the bunch by far now.
I've been to many meetings where they didn't have an actual engineer in the room. That was strategy. A marketing guy can't accidentally leak confidential information.. Glad to see Intel took a different route.
Intel has taken such a dramatic shift recently, ever since Pat took over (an engineer) the company has become engineer centric and its great! Focusing on the product and people over short term profits and marketing bullshit.
@@thursdaythought7201 Wasn't that what AMD did? Lisa Su, right? Wasn't she an engineer before she took over? I think that for tech companies, in particular, there is rarely a better outcome than having an engineer at the helm, because they have a markedly different approach to running things than someone who is just there to make maximum profits for their shareholders. I honestly wish that more large companies were run by people who actually know how their products are designed, developed, and manufactured. Because too often the people at the top are so distant from the actual everyday operations that they have no idea how things work or why they work and everything devolves into numbers and graphs. And that's a poor way to run a company.
@@jackwinter1507 they literally do more consumer marketing than your overlord amd and you saying they wouldnt do this? Linus literally in this video said Intel no matter how much LTT trolls them always works with them as normal.
Why? Same speaking heads telling (really) nothing. "Now - in live show!". What did they really tell except marketing blah-blah-blah? Any numbers? Any terms? Any comparsions? Nothing.
If the Algoritms of the internet has taught us anything is that "I love to hate X thing/person/opinion" is one of the strongest ways to push engagement. I do however agree that they might be milking that specific horse very dry, but I have no doubt that those titles draw more viewers than "Corsair launched a new product"
I agree, it made for a super interesting WAN show, even though it was an ARC marketing pitch. I'd enjoy it if they brought in a few similar type of guests from time to time, as the side conversations mixed with the marketing are a good combo.
If Intel can strengthen the market on power efficient GPUs that can play AAA titles, that would be really good news for ITX and HTPC builds. At this point they don't even need to build the beefiest GPU possible - that can come later.
Gamers Nexus showed that their power consumption is much higher than the equivalent AMD alternative, so don't count on it. What the Intel people said is that they don't expect to reach 600W soon. That might be because they don't have yet an alternative capable of doing it, instead of because they want to be energy efficient.
Yeah, people forget it took AMD a while to get their GPUs up to snuff to go against nVidia, and they were starting with an established brand. (VooDoo, you will ALWAYS be in my heart.) While Intel is an established brand, it isn't in the discrete graphics department. As long as it is a solid product, I'm willing to give them a shake and wait to see what they'll bring to the table.
The top end cards will never decrease in power consumption again but people have lost sight of the fact that the RTX 3060 is far more capable of running games maxed out now than the GTX 780 was in its day. Power efficiency never decreased. Our standards just increased
@@itisabird I never said we'd see that sort of efficiency with *this* generation of hardware. It takes time for their development pipeline and architecture to mature. Expect better results in 2-3 generations. The fact that they're significantly closer on more modern APIs already (as evidenced by the F1 benchmarks) is a good sign that some of the inefficiencies may be driver related, not necessarily architecture related.
Intel employee here. I've been working on writing software for Arc GPUs for the last couple of months. I don't think I can add much to this video (having only used ugly prototypes, not the shiny limited edition), other than saying I enjoyed watching this.
Heres to hoping the drivers age like fine wine. If I could get a job at Intel, AMD, or Nvidia I'd jump at the chance but right now I'm just in the middle of my degree.
I love how, just two weeks after you guys (deservedly) RIPPED into the Arc A370M, you're able to have a friendly and honest chat with the Intel Arc guys. Props to LTT for building that kind of trust and relationships with tech companies, and to the Intel guys for being a good sport about it 😉
Linus (and Team) are very good at what they do, but they aren't the Best at everyting. And its great to see an absolute champion like BuildZoid step up and keeping them honest. And LTT taking it not only onboard, but putting it at agenda spot #1 and not bury it at the 2 hour mark after the fifth merch message block. That's how you do it, thats how a conversation works and I'm here for it.
Buildzoid's point was that it wasn't a trade-off in this case because the module with higher CAS latency in clock cycles had a lower CAS latency in nanoseconds. So it had more bandwidth and a lower latency. Not a trade-off.
I used to watch Ryan Shrout and Tom Peterson on the old PC Perspective Nvidia livestreams they would host for each of the Nvidia new releases. Crazy that both are now at Intel, nice work fellas!
Wow, the shills made it to the companies they shilled for, by using their media influence to shill for more money. Their performance is not to be praised. It is a slap in the face of journalistic integrity. Petersen gets a SLIGHT pass because he was an Nvidia employee. BUT...He also downplayed every major NVidia failure, and used his influence to silence critics. So, just as bad in my book.
I (as a foreigner) like Linus voice very much - he really has some crystal clear voice - i pretty much understand every word he says tho i sometimes have problems understanding the other people.
Man, I really hope companies finally start this kind of transparent communication is one of the BEST forms of PR and marketing. I immediately feel interested by what Intel's up to with these GPU's, compared to before I only knew it was a buggy mess. Their frankness created a good base for some trust.
Props to Bell for that smooth, silent transition from the wide angle to the narrower angle of Linus and Luke. Switching to one of the side cams was smart, letting you switch the lens or adjust the zoom or whatever it was you did. Very pro 😉
This is SO wholesome. IT really amps up the show to have experienced guests from the industry in the studio. Please, more of this if possible! I mean, they are nerds too and are probably following LTT too :)
I wish I’d seen this yesterday as it aired, but I was helping with an event. I saw 4 dudes on screen, and immediately clicked. I’m 5 minutes in, and this is already the most interesting WAN show I’ve ever seen. That’s not to say your “normal” ones are boring, but I think it’s a testament to the type of people you’re able to bring on to speak about interesting topics. Like, Linus was wrong. He was able to bring on some experts to correct him, **and** have fun while doing it.
Big brain move by Intel to let their engineers talk candidly and openly about their product launch. Super refreshing and great to see the change in approach
Best Wan in a minute, listening to people geek out over things they're passionate about is fantastic. I know lots of companies are trying "cashless" but don't you legally have to accept cash...i mean it's called legal tender.
From what I can see, something being legal tender doesn't mean anything if your country or jurisdiction allows contract law to override it, or specifies that they are able to specify the terms of payment of the contract for goods or services before the contract is entered into. With most countries taking that angle by the looks of things
No you don't, at least in the U.S. (and I'd imagine in most countries). People get caught up on the fact that our cash says "legal tender for all debts public and private". However, businesses are allowed to refuse service to anyone for (almost) any reason. If I don't sell you the item in the first place, then you don't owe me a debt.
Businesses can choose to accept or not accept whichever form of payment they want. The only exception is when someone is paying a dept. At least in Canada (and I think the US too) if someone is paying you a dept, you have to accept any form they choose to pay it in, so long as it's a form of legal tender. That's how you see those stories of people paying off loans and shit with giant barrels of pennies. (Well, back when we still had pennies)
About the Intel allowing virtualization topic. They kept saying let us focus on the gaming stuff first. I get that, but I don't think that is related to the spirit of the question. What we're asking is don't go out of your way to remove, prevent, or make it difficult. I don't think the original request was to go out of your way to add the feature or invest *additional* resources to make it work. What we want is for Intel to not take a feature that was already there and working (courtesy of the development on the enterprise side) and remove the functionality from the consumer product to "artificially" differentiate the products. EDIT: I just wanted to say, on a completely unrelated note, that Google must be trying real hard to suck as bad as they do at software. Your software can't suck as bad as it does by accident; that has to require real effort. You must be trolling me at this point.
I agree completely, but I do think Linus made a good point in that regard. One actually pro-consumer side effect of "artificially" limiting features is it keeps the cards in the hands of their intended audience, which helps the majority of people when it comes to price and stock. By turning off virtualization for example, which is awesome, but to be honest 95% of gamers won't utilize, it keeps those cards going to gamers rather than business applications who need virtualization but don't necessarily need some of the extra features of enterprise level cards. Is that tradeoff necessarily worth it? Maybe not. But it's something to keep in mind. It's basically exactly what Nvidia did by having cards that can't mine crypto, and I didn't see many in the gaming community complaining about that.
Don't they already (or used to) do that with cpus, by intentionally blowing fuses to permanently cripple some features? I thought that was the difference between xeon and i7 (I could be mistaken).
@@RyTrapp0 Sure, eventually. But even if supply issues are solved in the long term, price discrimination is a huge factor. Companies want to sell products at the price that their consumers can afford to buy them. For businesses who can afford to spend a lot more, you want to sell it to them for a higher price, and you can do that by artificially turning on features. That in turn allows you to then disable those features and sell essentially the same product to regular consumers at a much lower price in order to capture a large segment of the market. If businesses start buying up consumer cards because they do all the same things, the company loses out on that extra profit margin and then has to raise the price of the consumer cards to compensate.
@@johanngambolputty5351 if I remember correctly it's more about desoldering certain routes between cores and whatnot, but maybe? also, many times it's actually semi intentional: when that happens, more often then not what you get is actually a "defective" chip, which is working enough to be up to spec to, let's say, an i5 but enough to be an i7. then again, it might be that both happens simultaneously, I don't really know🤷🏽♂️
That was definitely the most entertaining WAN episode so far, no endless chewing over the same stuff over and over that would make me switch off pretty fast. More cool guest appearances needed. Loved it!
Honestly, this was AMAZING. I was set on buying an AMD GPU when 7000 series releases, but now I'm actually thinking about taking a look at Arc. I loved seeing Tom and Ryan on WAN, really really good marketing imho.
These guys are exactly the kind of people I want to see in front of the tech media, they aren’t sales reps, they’ve been in the business a long time and they have huge personalities. It was nice to see them reminiscing about NForce, and also speaking honestly about PC hardware historically. Inviting these guys onto WAN show was a really nice way to get them involved and talking about tech in general.
Toyota wanted to do something similar with remote start. Except it was worse, you couldn’t even use the purpose built physical fob for remote start. But they didnt go through with it.
This was great! I was really on the fence about ARC before, but now I'm genuinely excited about it. Sincerely hope to see those guys on the WAN show again at some point in the future to talk more about the product and where it's going.
I like the transparency that Intel is going for. This, and the interview they did with GN will probably help them getting through the child illnesses of the Arc Gpus a little easier. It's also good to see them engaging directly with the tech media. I'll still hold on to my ryzen 5600x and 3060 for now, though ;)
It's probably going to be a good while before I upgrade again and the next upgrade I get will probably be a GPU. At this point I'm really not sure what company I'll go with. My main monitor supports G-Sync but if Intel and/or AMD figure out how to make their CPUs and GPUs work together properly and become fairly competitive I might go with one of them. Currently rocking a Ryzen 5800X so I've thought maybe go AMD for my next GPU but since I'll have to upgrade my motherboard the next time I upgrade my CPU it may be worth considering the all Intel option. I've gotta say this is a great problem to have because it means there's real competition and innovation in the industry.
This is what meeting your heroes should always be like. A lot of respect and openness on both sides mixed with the occasional humble moments where expression of admiration take place. It's amazing how far LTT has come. The industry access they have now, as does Steve in gamers nexus more recently, is a powerful tool and one I think we are all glad they have. Ideal ambassadors for us, the tech community plebs. Thanks guys! ❤️
I love when developers have fun with things that no one else would be able to see. at 2:02:09, you see the screen that Linus sees when he curates merch messages. If you go to the link, you see a linus face gif and a prompt for a password. If you get the password wrong, it has a bunch of responses that I wouldn't consider hilarious, but are a lot more fun than just "incorrect, try again".
This two guys did a lot of gpu homework. Great to see how they are looking forward for their product. After the laptops I am looking forward for the desktop gpu.
To anyone at Intel reading this: The visiting influencers and talking with the community is honestly so cool and I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I just, I suppose this is exactly what Linus is talking about with the good guy vibes and all. This is a winning strategy from, in this segment, a new competitor, and I hope to see a lot more unique ideas from you guys (whether it be features, or things like this, or what have you). I'm excited for the future and all the feathers you guys will ruffle.
honestly I've been thoroughly enjoying all the cooperation I've been seeing between ltt and Intel and I hope to see more of in the future it's really entertaining to see tech companies like this shake hands
These guys did a fantastic job in this video and all the others, and I really hope they do this periodically, keeping in touch with their community. I already have a high end GPU right now, but I would absolutely consider an Arc GPU in a generation or two when I'm replacing, and I hope their cards do well in the market.
I REALLY want this GPU to be good. I don't expect great, but good/very good? I'll take that if you guys are as open and honest in the future. I've gone from not caring, and just expecting to upgrade to 40 series, to pretty excited to check these out.
Intel has a real advantage here. They are incorporating cool software's and tech here with clear advantages that AMD and Nvidia do not have. The AV1 encoding first and foremost could be MASSIVE for content creators/live streamers (Even if it's not actively used yet future proofing can't really hurt). I hope they power the train that forces change.
Loved having Tom and Ryan in an open discussion like this - it's perfect PR for Intel when they're trying to reach PC gamers. Would love to see these sorts of discussions on a regular basis.
An Intel PC with an AMD CPU is just cursed enough for me to actually consider it. Love what i'm seeing so far. EDIT: Intel Inside sticker on the front as well. :D
I agree the A770 is a very safe and "classy" design. Honestly looks way better than 99% of 3rd party cards, the FE 30 series cards looks a lot more flamboyant though, If they had availability at msrp before the 40 series was 3 months away I would have purchased one just for the cool looking design.
I would love to see more tech industry experts show up on WAN. Talk product, trends, competition, whatever, but it was honestly super refreshing to see the tech industry expert side of Linus rather than the thumbnail 'OMGNOWAYYOUWONTBELIEVEIT' side that I know The Algorithm has encouraged. Plus, it's not like WAN and LMG are small no-namers in the sphere.
ohh just don't bring up nvidia. but that said i would like anthony as a guest host there as well given his place on the staff as their linux/distro SME, at least from what i can see
that's a pity :/ it all comes down to the charisma of the guests. the intel guys were obviously comfy and at ease, but i can see just sticking a random engineer out there and then watching the whole thing just kinda Hindenburg for an hour.
These types of interviews + good tech decisions (av1 support) makes me wanna buy an intel gpu. I don’t know if the performance will be there by the time I upgrade but I’m impressed by how respectful they’re treating the community.
It wasn't Miner VGA, but I remember playing this one mining flash game that had you descend deep down until you fought the Satan incarnate of your boss. Good times, I wonder if it's still up.
It's a shame buildzoids point is completely ignored in favor of just quickly addressing the fact that a criticism came up, marginalizing it and moving on. For those interested: the point buildzoid made was that what's commonly referred to as CAS latency, ex. CL18, is in fact a measure of clock cycles rather than latency, meaning CL16 isn't automatically faster than CL18. He then went on to show how to calculate the actual latency which was useful information. Edit: I wrote the above from memory so take it with a pinch of salt and consult the original video by actually hardcore overclocking.
From this and Gamers Nexus reviewing a Chinese A380. Arc looks promising, it looks like Intel is going to leverage their decades of CPU dominance and really lean on resizable BAR. And also focus on VRAM latency rather than frequency, which seems to pay off considering in Gamers Nexus's review Arc did better at high resolutions. I can't wait to see the A770 and what it can do.
From Steve at Gamers Nexus, a good way to compare : MTs speeds / Cas LatenCy = Higher is better So 5200/40= 130, 4800/38=126, 5200 speed is better if we take the same rule in DDR4, 3600/16= 225, 3200/14=228.57. 3200MT a bit better, but in Ryzen case, 3600 would help the infinity fabric speed
I'm honestly surprised how down-to-earth the Intel guys came off. I was an Intel only user for about 10 years before the failure of the 9th, 10th, and 11th gen chips with their inability to compete with AMD's offerings forced me to the 5900x. Even so, I still run Intel's chips in my Unriad server for Plex's quick sync support. If Intel can offer a compelling GPU for us who run Plex and other software that requires transcoding, I'll be the first in line to buy one. After watching this interview, I'm extremely hopeful!
I'd be so HYPED for a card supporting (hopefully easy) virtualization! If Intel can give me a way to run (near) full performance linux IN windows or vice versa i'd buy the card for that alone. Developing is an ass. Setting up WSL2 with docker desktop ist the only somewhat sevicable way atm but man I wish there would be a better way...
Tom Petersen and Ryan Shrout are amazing! I would love for them to come back to regular wanshow to talk about whatever. This was such a great wanshow, please try to get them back very soon for another one.
Holy shit! 600w rated means 1200w surges! The USA 120v outlet is rated for 15a 120v. (1,800w for monitors, speakers, "vacuum", and all.) for the whole case.
If Intel wants to get serious, then I think this is a good start to them taking an Apple approach and building a massive SoC CPU and GPU implementation. Their existing ventures into iGPU have been modestly successful, but then Apple showed everyone just how crazy you can get when you decide to go full integration. The M1 Max and Ultra are legitimately impressive products and that cannot be denied even if you hate Apple's business practices. Their engineers did some truly legendary work in producing those things. So, Intel branching out into discrete GPUs and testing the waters to see what they're really capable of may just be them figuring out where they should take a SoC implementation in the future, while providing them with a platform that lets them test things without needing to worry as much about cooling and power just yet. I'm finally hopeful that Intel might make a SoC that offers actual gaming performance.
It is nice to see Intel finally talk aout the ARC cards. I do really hope that they will be "OK" - seeing is believing though - and so far no Arcs on the horizon here in Sweden
I absolutely loved this WAN, great work! I hope to see more guests on, it was so cool to hear about arc and see intel talk in a more casual style(?). Thanks LMG team!
This was a great episode. The one thing I can add about the ‘competition’ in the dgpu market is that it is well known that whenever there are ‘3’ or less competitors in a market, it is the same as monopoly because they will price set. I wish and hope for competition in that space, but adding a third to a monopoly of two does Not, unfortunately, fix the problem. Intel’s business side knows this, Amd and nvidia know this as well.
Huh, that GPU looks pretty nice, might be an incentive for a future ITX build...
-Timestamps-
[0:00] *Chapters.*
[1:08] *Intro.*
[1:27] *Topic #1: Community reaction on Linus's RAM notes ft. special guests.*
> 3:39 Buildzoid's video on UA-camrs & RAM.
> 5:13 Discussing NForce, Intel & XMP.
> 7:45 Linus tried to push NCIX into boutique PC building.
> 11:24 Enabling XMP can void warranties.
> 12:11 Summarizing Buildzoid's video.
> 14:40 Crucial's blog posts on RAM technology.
> 17:45 FP poll: Intel's ARC Jeresy, showcasing A770, discussing games.
> 23:00 FP Poll result, opening & showing off ARC.
> 25:02 Linux support for ARC.
> 27:58 Possibility of a 900 trim, families.
> 29:02 Linus requests a good naming scheme.
> 31:40 Discussing the RGB limited edition.
> 33:38 Intel's view on efficiency, FP's rack & database
> 37:58 Shadow tech invites Linus to France, Luke wanting to go.
> 40:36 Device sharing services, latency & encoding.
> 43:26 AV1 codex, supporting encoders.
> 46:56 Streaming community, cross-brand support.
> 53:20 Discussing limitations on ARC, other features.
> 56:30 Quadro branding, FP poll on supporting features.
> 59:48 Intel plans to talk with the community.
> 1:07:30 Linus wants a disruption in the GPU market.
> 1:09:03 Guests leave the set, ARC's Jenesy shirt.
[1:10:20] *Sponsors.*
> 1:10:39 Squarespace site builder.
> 1:11:24 Wealthfront risk-tolerance investment.
> 1:12:17 Axiom file links recovery manager.
[1:13:11] *Topic #2: New LTT pop-up shop for backpack.*
> 1:13:55 Limited in-person & back orders.
> 1:17:32 Pricing & location for the pop-up shop.
> 1:19:22 The shop will NOT include the screwdriver.
> 1:20:25 In-stock notification will show pop-up shop.
[1:21:50] *Topic #3: Whale LAN event.*
[1:25:35] *Topic #4: Unity acquiring IronSource.*
> 1:25:48 John Rccitiello & IronSource ft. Luke's F-bomb.
[1:28:53] *Topic #5: Sony's Playstation Star.*
> 1:31:50 Complaint on LTT content being mainstream.
[1:32:32] *Merch Messages #1.*
> 1:32:51 Companies growing on a positive way.
> 1:35:09 Polium 1 NFT Web3 gaming console.
[1:37:49] *Topic #6: Dr. DisRespect's Project Moon.*
[1:42:37] *Topic #7: BMW's subscription on seat warmers.*
[1:45:40] *Topic #8: Linus showcases Miner VGA.*
[1:54:18] *Topic #9: Cole-Bar Hammer update.*
[Cont.] *Topic #8: Linus showcases Miner VGA.*
> 2:01:36 Linus dies, last attempt.
> 2:05:15 Luke's UA-cam channel on Assassin Creeds 2.
[2:10:00] *Outro.*
Oh my goodness
Damn
THANK YOU!!!
Madman
Doing the lord's work thank you
the video title should include your guests names. this is a great video and would appeal to ppl who dont normally watch the WAN show.
phenomenal suggestion
It is LTTs policy to make all videos as click bait as possible . Putting guests names would violate this policy.
Or at least include them in the thumbnail
@@kristmadsen its because idiots like you click on every clickbait and their views literally goes up exponentially when they do this
maybe took a good hard look at yourself first
I surprised that they're not even on the thumbnail
It's great how Linus can be a good honest critic in front of the people who often make big decisions in the tech industry. It's just as cool to see those guys laugh at some past mistakes and talk about their decisions. This is some of the best PR Intel has ever had, and it made for an extremely enjoyable WAN show. Also, it's been a while since there have been guests on, would love to see this more often.
This alone has heavily shifted me towards Intel I just want transparency and honesty. I'm not a power user
Not gonna lie: I was sitting the entire time with a feeling of "Ohh no, Linus just said X and now Intel is gonna stand up and leave because Linus is way to free with his thoughts and feelings".... and it never happened. Sure, Tom and Ryan dodged quite a bit when it came to the hot topics, but they talked 500% more freely than I would ever thought possible 5 years ago from Intel employees. I guess Intel has finally understood that being open and natural is a cheap and good PR move.
@@jace4817 There was about 2 times when Tom was talking marketing'y talk, and could see Luke react just ahead of glancing to Linus, knowing what was about to be questioned. Linus did pretty well to respond each time. I'm not saying Tom was wrong though, or even that he was just 'marketing talking' , it didn't have that vibe at all, like how some have a script from which they can't deviate.
I found it to be a super chill conversation between professional enthusiasts from both sides of the 'fence'
Except unfortunately these are not the people at Intel that make the big decisions...
These people make ZERO decisions.
Hey the sound engineering is ON POINT. I don't know who did it but did an excellent job. No echo, I can hear everyone(mostly) no major imbalances. Hats off.
It's odd I see alot content creators focusing on their mult coloured lit rooms with nice cameras and with awful sound, so yes good work
@@Space-O-2001 Unfortunately here on wan happens a lot of times too when Luke goes silent/whispers or leans out, the voice Linus shatters my eardrums. I suspect they were a lot more focused in this session so there wasn't much movement.
@@XxXnonameAsDXxX Yeah I remember driving to work and I'd have to crank the volume for the talking and then the intro music would come in 20dB higher....which was a nice surprise.
The sound proofing is making me look up Cooler Master stuff, Sound is great.
I instantly could tell a difference when the video started but......i have to say it was not friendly on the ears through my speakers compared to the recent shows. It sounds fake. Most wan shows for me have the decent real life sound
Just like with Gamers Nexus, I've gotta say I really appreciate Intel's choice to approach their own products with open, frank discussion about the platform and capabilities. Treating your audience as educated individuals that can learn terms and appreciate details, instead of just meaningless marketing jargon, is a great approach.
Especially when they are sooo late.
@@liesandy291 🤣 fair comment.
I saw no discussion about their platform except some marketing cowfecies. "We are great on supporting useless AV1 encoder!"... Great. What about game's performance, prices and release date? Oh... Nothing about that... Okay. What's about AV1 performance? Oh... Nothing about that too...
We are going to kickass.
We are going to humbly kickass 💀
@@supernovaws They literally already tested AV1 in another video lmfao. They also DID talk about gaming performance a bit. But they also said they're not quite ready to release numbers. Get a stick out of your ass and maybe you can listen
Tom Petersen is an absolute gem. Loved him on Gamers Nexus the other day, and he's knocking it outta the park here as well.
Marketing people usually steer me away from their product, but that's not the case with Tom. I really enjoyed his appearances here and on GN.
Seem like very nice folks. Best of luck intel.
Compare Tom to the "tie" guy from NVIDIA lol
@@ricardoreis7298 Well Tom grew into the marketing position from an engineering one, so while his new duties probably don't leave much time to stay on top of the game, he at least can comprehend what he (and his teams) are talking about. NVidia is the worst of the bunch by far now.
Actually seemed genuine and devoted to the product. Unlike some people I can mention.
Having a super nice, super clever engineer going around just vomiting knowledge and promoting your gfx card is an ace move.
I've been to many meetings where they didn't have an actual engineer in the room. That was strategy. A marketing guy can't accidentally leak confidential information..
Glad to see Intel took a different route.
Intel has taken such a dramatic shift recently, ever since Pat took over (an engineer) the company has become engineer centric and its great! Focusing on the product and people over short term profits and marketing bullshit.
@@thursdaythought7201 Wasn't that what AMD did? Lisa Su, right? Wasn't she an engineer before she took over? I think that for tech companies, in particular, there is rarely a better outcome than having an engineer at the helm, because they have a markedly different approach to running things than someone who is just there to make maximum profits for their shareholders. I honestly wish that more large companies were run by people who actually know how their products are designed, developed, and manufactured. Because too often the people at the top are so distant from the actual everyday operations that they have no idea how things work or why they work and everything devolves into numbers and graphs. And that's a poor way to run a company.
What universe is this. These dudes need to be the face of Intel from now on.
Pat taking over Intel is honestly huge for them, before him this probably never would have been allowed
@@jackwinter1507 they literally do more consumer marketing than your overlord amd and you saying they wouldnt do this?
Linus literally in this video said Intel no matter how much LTT trolls them always works with them as normal.
@@Freestyle80 Found the fanboy
So very true
Why? Same speaking heads telling (really) nothing. "Now - in live show!". What did they really tell except marketing blah-blah-blah? Any numbers? Any terms? Any comparsions? Nothing.
I feel like "I was wrong" (paraphrased) has been the title of about 50% of the last few months' WAN shows.
Lie-nus Sebastián
It is good when someone can admit their errors.
Exactly my thoughts. This channel could be amazing if Linus was less full of himself.
@@RainmakerAnton You do realize that he plays it up for the camera? Videos are mostly scripted. And for WAN, he's just a dude giving his opinion.
If the Algoritms of the internet has taught us anything is that "I love to hate X thing/person/opinion" is one of the strongest ways to push engagement. I do however agree that they might be milking that specific horse very dry, but I have no doubt that those titles draw more viewers than "Corsair launched a new product"
One of the best and funniest WAN's in a long time. Great guests and makes Intel look good having staff front and center, talking candidly
I agree, it made for a super interesting WAN show, even though it was an ARC marketing pitch. I'd enjoy it if they brought in a few similar type of guests from time to time, as the side conversations mixed with the marketing are a good combo.
Absolutely, this WAN show had my smiling all morning
ryan shrout & tom perterson from intel were awesome. Their enthusiasm was super refreshing to see
If Intel can strengthen the market on power efficient GPUs that can play AAA titles, that would be really good news for ITX and HTPC builds. At this point they don't even need to build the beefiest GPU possible - that can come later.
Unfortunately, at this point, Intel's GPUs are anything but power efficient (compared to the competition) :/
Gamers Nexus showed that their power consumption is much higher than the equivalent AMD alternative, so don't count on it. What the Intel people said is that they don't expect to reach 600W soon. That might be because they don't have yet an alternative capable of doing it, instead of because they want to be energy efficient.
Yeah, people forget it took AMD a while to get their GPUs up to snuff to go against nVidia, and they were starting with an established brand. (VooDoo, you will ALWAYS be in my heart.) While Intel is an established brand, it isn't in the discrete graphics department. As long as it is a solid product, I'm willing to give them a shake and wait to see what they'll bring to the table.
The top end cards will never decrease in power consumption again but people have lost sight of the fact that the RTX 3060 is far more capable of running games maxed out now than the GTX 780 was in its day.
Power efficiency never decreased. Our standards just increased
@@itisabird I never said we'd see that sort of efficiency with *this* generation of hardware. It takes time for their development pipeline and architecture to mature. Expect better results in 2-3 generations. The fact that they're significantly closer on more modern APIs already (as evidenced by the F1 benchmarks) is a good sign that some of the inefficiencies may be driver related, not necessarily architecture related.
Intel employee here. I've been working on writing software for Arc GPUs for the last couple of months. I don't think I can add much to this video (having only used ugly prototypes, not the shiny limited edition), other than saying I enjoyed watching this.
Heres to hoping the drivers age like fine wine. If I could get a job at Intel, AMD, or Nvidia I'd jump at the chance but right now I'm just in the middle of my degree.
I love how, just two weeks after you guys (deservedly) RIPPED into the Arc A370M, you're able to have a friendly and honest chat with the Intel Arc guys. Props to LTT for building that kind of trust and relationships with tech companies, and to the Intel guys for being a good sport about it 😉
Linus (and Team) are very good at what they do, but they aren't the Best at everyting. And its great to see an absolute champion like BuildZoid step up and keeping them honest. And LTT taking it not only onboard, but putting it at agenda spot #1 and not bury it at the 2 hour mark after the fifth merch message block. That's how you do it, thats how a conversation works and I'm here for it.
We need a video of Luke going to the data center in France. I miss him hosting, and it sounds like he would really enjoy it.
Great synergy - both Intel and LMG have driver related product delays.
🤣🤣🤣🙌
Fucking Ace comment....
😂😂😂 what's the LMG one?
@@RyanLynch1 screw
Buildzoid's point was that it wasn't a trade-off in this case because the module with higher CAS latency in clock cycles had a lower CAS latency in nanoseconds. So it had more bandwidth and a lower latency. Not a trade-off.
@@joeykeilholz925 yes, i like him but he tends to ramble on a bit 🤣
ONLY A FEW MINUTES IN AND NOW I WANT MORE REGULAR GUESTS ON THE WAN SHOW THIS IS SO COOL! LOVE HOW THE 4 OF YOU JUST FITS PERFECTLY IN FRAME
"It's hard to put a name on it. I blame Ryan!"
That honestly made me laugh out loud!
*sees title: This will be fun
*sees the Intel people: LET’S GOOOO
I used to watch Ryan Shrout and Tom Peterson on the old PC Perspective Nvidia livestreams they would host for each of the Nvidia new releases. Crazy that both are now at Intel, nice work fellas!
Wow, the shills made it to the companies they shilled for, by using their media influence to shill for more money.
Their performance is not to be praised. It is a slap in the face of journalistic integrity.
Petersen gets a SLIGHT pass because he was an Nvidia employee. BUT...He also downplayed every major NVidia failure, and used his influence to silence critics. So, just as bad in my book.
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Ah, thank you!
Thank you so much!
amazinggg
I can’t express how much time you saved me with this. Thank you so much!
Intel seems to have figured this social interaction thing... finally!
I (as a foreigner) like Linus voice very much - he really has some crystal clear voice - i pretty much understand every word he says tho i sometimes have problems understanding the other people.
Waiting for the timestamp guy.
It appears they posted the same time you did (7 minutes before this reply)
Dude, i love that guy.
Literally posted it same minute you did
Man, I really hope companies finally start this kind of transparent communication is one of the BEST forms of PR and marketing. I immediately feel interested by what Intel's up to with these GPU's, compared to before I only knew it was a buggy mess. Their frankness created a good base for some trust.
I lean more AMD for CPUs and GPUs, but if intel keeps this up I will be way more open.
I love that about Fairphone
Props to Bell for that smooth, silent transition from the wide angle to the narrower angle of Linus and Luke. Switching to one of the side cams was smart, letting you switch the lens or adjust the zoom or whatever it was you did. Very pro 😉
This is SO wholesome. IT really amps up the show to have experienced guests from the industry in the studio.
Please, more of this if possible! I mean, they are nerds too and are probably following LTT too :)
I wouldn't mind more episodes with guests, even corporate/marketing, as long as they are enjoyable as the duo on this episode.
I wish I’d seen this yesterday as it aired, but I was helping with an event.
I saw 4 dudes on screen, and immediately clicked. I’m 5 minutes in, and this is already the most interesting WAN show I’ve ever seen.
That’s not to say your “normal” ones are boring, but I think it’s a testament to the type of people you’re able to bring on to speak about interesting topics.
Like, Linus was wrong. He was able to bring on some experts to correct him, **and** have fun while doing it.
Big brain move by Intel to let their engineers talk candidly and openly about their product launch. Super refreshing and great to see the change in approach
Best Wan in a minute, listening to people geek out over things they're passionate about is fantastic.
I know lots of companies are trying "cashless" but don't you legally have to accept cash...i mean it's called legal tender.
From what I can see, something being legal tender doesn't mean anything if your country or jurisdiction allows contract law to override it, or specifies that they are able to specify the terms of payment of the contract for goods or services before the contract is entered into.
With most countries taking that angle by the looks of things
Nope.
No you don't, at least in the U.S. (and I'd imagine in most countries). People get caught up on the fact that our cash says "legal tender for all debts public and private". However, businesses are allowed to refuse service to anyone for (almost) any reason. If I don't sell you the item in the first place, then you don't owe me a debt.
Businesses can choose to accept or not accept whichever form of payment they want.
The only exception is when someone is paying a dept. At least in Canada (and I think the US too) if someone is paying you a dept, you have to accept any form they choose to pay it in, so long as it's a form of legal tender. That's how you see those stories of people paying off loans and shit with giant barrels of pennies. (Well, back when we still had pennies)
No, the seller sets the terms of contract, a contract doesn't need to include cash AT ALL
I really appreciate the naming scheme. I for one cannot wait to be gaming on my Intel® Goblin™.
almost missed this WAN show, but it was one of the most interesting one in the long time. great guests, interesting talk!
About the Intel allowing virtualization topic. They kept saying let us focus on the gaming stuff first. I get that, but I don't think that is related to the spirit of the question. What we're asking is don't go out of your way to remove, prevent, or make it difficult. I don't think the original request was to go out of your way to add the feature or invest *additional* resources to make it work. What we want is for Intel to not take a feature that was already there and working (courtesy of the development on the enterprise side) and remove the functionality from the consumer product to "artificially" differentiate the products. EDIT: I just wanted to say, on a completely unrelated note, that Google must be trying real hard to suck as bad as they do at software. Your software can't suck as bad as it does by accident; that has to require real effort. You must be trolling me at this point.
I agree completely, but I do think Linus made a good point in that regard. One actually pro-consumer side effect of "artificially" limiting features is it keeps the cards in the hands of their intended audience, which helps the majority of people when it comes to price and stock. By turning off virtualization for example, which is awesome, but to be honest 95% of gamers won't utilize, it keeps those cards going to gamers rather than business applications who need virtualization but don't necessarily need some of the extra features of enterprise level cards. Is that tradeoff necessarily worth it? Maybe not. But it's something to keep in mind. It's basically exactly what Nvidia did by having cards that can't mine crypto, and I didn't see many in the gaming community complaining about that.
Don't they already (or used to) do that with cpus, by intentionally blowing fuses to permanently cripple some features? I thought that was the difference between xeon and i7 (I could be mistaken).
@@RyTrapp0 Sure, eventually. But even if supply issues are solved in the long term, price discrimination is a huge factor. Companies want to sell products at the price that their consumers can afford to buy them. For businesses who can afford to spend a lot more, you want to sell it to them for a higher price, and you can do that by artificially turning on features. That in turn allows you to then disable those features and sell essentially the same product to regular consumers at a much lower price in order to capture a large segment of the market. If businesses start buying up consumer cards because they do all the same things, the company loses out on that extra profit margin and then has to raise the price of the consumer cards to compensate.
@@johanngambolputty5351 if I remember correctly it's more about desoldering certain routes between cores and whatnot, but maybe? also, many times it's actually semi intentional: when that happens, more often then not what you get is actually a "defective" chip, which is working enough to be up to spec to, let's say, an i5 but enough to be an i7. then again, it might be that both happens simultaneously, I don't really know🤷🏽♂️
I love how they turned into a gaming channel half way through lol
Buildzoid knows what he's talking about and did a good job explaining what was wrong.
Not good enough apparently because it didn't sound like Linus got it.
@@unvergebeneid Linus didn't watch the video, one of his staff did and it went right over their heads.
(breathes in through nose and exhales loudly)
I love the smell of competing GPU manufacturers in the morning!
One of the best WAN Shows def...
That was definitely the most entertaining WAN episode so far, no endless chewing over the same stuff over and over that would make me switch off pretty fast.
More cool guest appearances needed. Loved it!
Honestly, this was AMAZING. I was set on buying an AMD GPU when 7000 series releases, but now I'm actually thinking about taking a look at Arc. I loved seeing Tom and Ryan on WAN, really really good marketing imho.
Letting these two dudes into the wild, in my opinion, is probably the best thing Intel has done in a very long time.
Incredible marketing strategy turn around from Intel. From basically nothing about ARC launching in China to WAN show talks, well played 😁
And don't forget gamers nexus!
These guys are exactly the kind of people I want to see in front of the tech media, they aren’t sales reps, they’ve been in the business a long time and they have huge personalities. It was nice to see them reminiscing about NForce, and also speaking honestly about PC hardware historically. Inviting these guys onto WAN show was a really nice way to get them involved and talking about tech in general.
Toyota wanted to do something similar with remote start. Except it was worse, you couldn’t even use the purpose built physical fob for remote start. But they didnt go through with it.
This was great! I was really on the fence about ARC before, but now I'm genuinely excited about it. Sincerely hope to see those guys on the WAN show again at some point in the future to talk more about the product and where it's going.
I like the transparency that Intel is going for. This, and the interview they did with GN will probably help them getting through the child illnesses of the Arc Gpus a little easier. It's also good to see them engaging directly with the tech media.
I'll still hold on to my ryzen 5600x and 3060 for now, though ;)
It's probably going to be a good while before I upgrade again and the next upgrade I get will probably be a GPU. At this point I'm really not sure what company I'll go with. My main monitor supports G-Sync but if Intel and/or AMD figure out how to make their CPUs and GPUs work together properly and become fairly competitive I might go with one of them. Currently rocking a Ryzen 5800X so I've thought maybe go AMD for my next GPU but since I'll have to upgrade my motherboard the next time I upgrade my CPU it may be worth considering the all Intel option. I've gotta say this is a great problem to have because it means there's real competition and innovation in the industry.
Dang, just noticed that they're slowly moving the banner up and down during the episode! My OLED thanks you!
This was a insane wan show absolutely amazing guest.
This is what meeting your heroes should always be like. A lot of respect and openness on both sides mixed with the occasional humble moments where expression of admiration take place.
It's amazing how far LTT has come. The industry access they have now, as does Steve in gamers nexus more recently, is a powerful tool and one I think we are all glad they have. Ideal ambassadors for us, the tech community plebs.
Thanks guys! ❤️
Watching the first 20 minutes of the show made me realize just how much of a total nerd I am
I think you are in good company here.
Testing testing 1 2 3
I love nerds, that's how I got into university for cultural anthropology
I love when developers have fun with things that no one else would be able to see.
at 2:02:09, you see the screen that Linus sees when he curates merch messages. If you go to the link, you see a linus face gif and a prompt for a password. If you get the password wrong, it has a bunch of responses that I wouldn't consider hilarious, but are a lot more fun than just "incorrect, try again".
This two guys did a lot of gpu homework. Great to see how they are looking forward for their product. After the laptops I am looking forward for the desktop gpu.
They teased the A750M in GN’s video, now the A770M in LTT’s. Nice move!
To anyone at Intel reading this: The visiting influencers and talking with the community is honestly so cool and I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I just, I suppose this is exactly what Linus is talking about with the good guy vibes and all. This is a winning strategy from, in this segment, a new competitor, and I hope to see a lot more unique ideas from you guys (whether it be features, or things like this, or what have you). I'm excited for the future and all the feathers you guys will ruffle.
This episode genuinely changed my opinion about intel entirely. Loved it. So glad this happened.
this is such a genuine advertisement from Intel, I like it
honestly I've been thoroughly enjoying all the cooperation I've been seeing between ltt and Intel and I hope to see more of in the future it's really entertaining to see tech companies like this shake hands
I played MinerVGA. There was actually an end goal, you had to get enough money to marry someone in the brothel.
I play video games to escape reality. Pass.
These guys did a fantastic job in this video and all the others, and I really hope they do this periodically, keeping in touch with their community. I already have a high end GPU right now, but I would absolutely consider an Arc GPU in a generation or two when I'm replacing, and I hope their cards do well in the market.
I REALLY want this GPU to be good. I don't expect great, but good/very good? I'll take that if you guys are as open and honest in the future. I've gone from not caring, and just expecting to upgrade to 40 series, to pretty excited to check these out.
A big +1
Good to see the marketing works
Best Wan show in a long time!
Intel has a real advantage here. They are incorporating cool software's and tech here with clear advantages that AMD and Nvidia do not have. The AV1 encoding first and foremost could be MASSIVE for content creators/live streamers (Even if it's not actively used yet future proofing can't really hurt). I hope they power the train that forces change.
Loved having Tom and Ryan in an open discussion like this - it's perfect PR for Intel when they're trying to reach PC gamers. Would love to see these sorts of discussions on a regular basis.
An Intel PC with an AMD CPU is just cursed enough for me to actually consider it.
Love what i'm seeing so far.
EDIT: Intel Inside sticker on the front as well. :D
I agree the A770 is a very safe and "classy" design. Honestly looks way better than 99% of 3rd party cards, the FE 30 series cards looks a lot more flamboyant though, If they had availability at msrp before the 40 series was 3 months away I would have purchased one just for the cool looking design.
This is the first WAN show I watched fully. and it was glorious.
Luke: "Your whole family loves you Linus." 😂
you need to this more. this was one of the best wan shows ever.
I would love to see more tech industry experts show up on WAN. Talk product, trends, competition, whatever, but it was honestly super refreshing to see the tech industry expert side of Linus rather than the thumbnail 'OMGNOWAYYOUWONTBELIEVEIT' side that I know The Algorithm has encouraged. Plus, it's not like WAN and LMG are small no-namers in the sphere.
They had amd show up on the wan show it was awkward
Linus and Linus on the wan show would be great
ohh just don't bring up nvidia. but that said i would like anthony as a guest host there as well given his place on the staff as their linux/distro SME, at least from what i can see
that's a pity :/ it all comes down to the charisma of the guests. the intel guys were obviously comfy and at ease, but i can see just sticking a random engineer out there and then watching the whole thing just kinda Hindenburg for an hour.
PC Perspective OG! Woo! Been watching that show for way too long. Good to see Ryan again.
These types of interviews + good tech decisions (av1 support) makes me wanna buy an intel gpu. I don’t know if the performance will be there by the time I upgrade but I’m impressed by how respectful they’re treating the community.
It wasn't Miner VGA, but I remember playing this one mining flash game that had you descend deep down until you fought the Satan incarnate of your boss. Good times, I wonder if it's still up.
Getting Tom Petersen on their team was probably the best move intel did in like 20 years.
I wanna go on a rave with him in ugly ass Intel Jerseys.
It's a shame buildzoids point is completely ignored in favor of just quickly addressing the fact that a criticism came up, marginalizing it and moving on.
For those interested: the point buildzoid made was that what's commonly referred to as CAS latency, ex. CL18, is in fact a measure of clock cycles rather than latency, meaning CL16 isn't automatically faster than CL18. He then went on to show how to calculate the actual latency which was useful information.
Edit: I wrote the above from memory so take it with a pinch of salt and consult the original video by actually hardcore overclocking.
I doubt linus cares even the slightest. He doesn't watch UA-cam nor does he read articles.
From this and Gamers Nexus reviewing a Chinese A380. Arc looks promising, it looks like Intel is going to leverage their decades of CPU dominance and really lean on resizable BAR. And also focus on VRAM latency rather than frequency, which seems to pay off considering in Gamers Nexus's review Arc did better at high resolutions. I can't wait to see the A770 and what it can do.
From Steve at Gamers Nexus, a good way to compare : MTs speeds / Cas LatenCy = Higher is better
So 5200/40= 130, 4800/38=126, 5200 speed is better
if we take the same rule in DDR4, 3600/16= 225, 3200/14=228.57. 3200MT a bit better, but in Ryzen case, 3600 would help the infinity fabric speed
I'm honestly surprised how down-to-earth the Intel guys came off. I was an Intel only user for about 10 years before the failure of the 9th, 10th, and 11th gen chips with their inability to compete with AMD's offerings forced me to the 5900x. Even so, I still run Intel's chips in my Unriad server for Plex's quick sync support. If Intel can offer a compelling GPU for us who run Plex and other software that requires transcoding, I'll be the first in line to buy one. After watching this interview, I'm extremely hopeful!
it was great having these guys on. they are great ambassadors of the product and got me interested.
This is just pure fun from Intel, we get a show that isn't pure marketing and they can share some info about the GPU, win win :D
Can't wait for Arc GPU!
I'd be so HYPED for a card supporting (hopefully easy) virtualization!
If Intel can give me a way to run (near) full performance linux IN windows or vice versa i'd buy the card for that alone.
Developing is an ass. Setting up WSL2 with docker desktop ist the only somewhat sevicable way atm but man I wish there would be a better way...
These two guests are absolutely great, all this smalltalk and nostalgia in the beginning was so enjoyable
Linus is the type of guy to cut off his guest telling a story to tell his own story.
Woodysgamertag approach.
He's just excited, and it's not like he didn't give them the time to finish their stories.
One of the best Wan shows in a while. It would be cool to bring on more guests on the show makes content more dynamic.
Nice, feels like forever since we've had in-person WAN show guests
This has got to be the most enjoyable WAN episode I’ve seen in ages, and that’s saying something.
I really like Intel's new openness. These guys are great 👍
The WAN show that is actually enjoyable and not 80% adspace. Wow. I applaud to that
Tom Petersen and Ryan Shrout are amazing! I would love for them to come back to regular wanshow to talk about whatever. This was such a great wanshow, please try to get them back very soon for another one.
Holy shit! 600w rated means 1200w surges!
The USA 120v outlet is rated for 15a 120v. (1,800w for monitors, speakers, "vacuum", and all.) for the whole case.
GPUs use double power briefly.
This gave me some hope for the Intel GPUs, they sound like they really can be good in the future
If Intel wants to get serious, then I think this is a good start to them taking an Apple approach and building a massive SoC CPU and GPU implementation. Their existing ventures into iGPU have been modestly successful, but then Apple showed everyone just how crazy you can get when you decide to go full integration. The M1 Max and Ultra are legitimately impressive products and that cannot be denied even if you hate Apple's business practices. Their engineers did some truly legendary work in producing those things. So, Intel branching out into discrete GPUs and testing the waters to see what they're really capable of may just be them figuring out where they should take a SoC implementation in the future, while providing them with a platform that lets them test things without needing to worry as much about cooling and power just yet. I'm finally hopeful that Intel might make a SoC that offers actual gaming performance.
Soltek-75 motherboards... wowza... soo many memories, mostly so many resoldered/exchanged capacitors! POP! goes the cap'citor!
It is nice to see Intel finally talk aout the ARC cards. I do really hope that they will be "OK" - seeing is believing though - and so far no Arcs on the horizon here in Sweden
I absolutely loved this WAN, great work! I hope to see more guests on, it was so cool to hear about arc and see intel talk in a more casual style(?). Thanks LMG team!
This was a great episode. The one thing I can add about the ‘competition’ in the dgpu market is that it is well known that whenever there are ‘3’ or less competitors in a market, it is the same as monopoly because they will price set. I wish and hope for competition in that space, but adding a third to a monopoly of two does Not, unfortunately, fix the problem. Intel’s business side knows this, Amd and nvidia know this as well.
I like these guys, its really great just hearing this chat and them being open (or atleast open as they can be at this stage of launch)
Whoever’s reading this I pray that whatever your struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day!
Weirdo
I love that when the chat shows up on screen, the twitch and floatplane chats start talking to each other.
You know what this is a brilliant move by intel because yesterday ark was a joke and now I'm stoked to see what it can do!
Still not going to preorder