M9 Rifle Grenade
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2023
- An overview of the M9 rifle grenade featuring some places it turns up on film and in video games.
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Band of Brothers 2001
Suppose They Gave a War and Nobody Came 1981
The Pacific 2010
Enlisted (Video Game)
Saving Private Ryan 1998
The Best from 20,000 Fathoms 1953
To Hell and Back 1955
Project Reality WW2 BF2 MOD (Video Game)
Hearts of the World 1918
The Great Raid 2005
Post Scriptum (Video Game)
La Femme Nikita 1990
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Worth noting the Germans and Soviets had their own versions. Also the British developed a prototype during WW1
The British ended up with the PIAT
My dad a ww2 marine said he hated the rifle grenade. He carried it for a short time but switched to a Thompson after getting promoted during the Okinawa battle in 45.
I still have all his ww2 marine stuff including helmet uniforms etc.
Very cool. Make sure to keep handing it down in the family forever. I have a few things from my great grandad from WW1.
@ak9989 that’s amazing and would be my prized possessions if I was fortunate enough to have had grandfathers still alive I never got to even eat my dads dad bc I was born in 92 and he passed away in 89 right after my sister was worn. Father’s Day is always tough on my dad bc he pastors a country baptist church and on Father’s Day he lets the congregation talk about take turns talking about their dads and it always gets my dad choked up behind the pulpit bc he spent Father’s Day in 89 at the funeral home with his dad bc that was the only day the funeral home didn’t have another service so Father’s Day is tough on him and rightfully so, and my moms dad was trash and I hold make her and her 6 siblings fist fight
Each other and whoever won the “the food fight” was the kid that was allowed to eat that night, he was such a pathetic person that that was actually what actually the name of the “game” that he called it if the kids refused to fight each other they had to fight him until moms oldest brother hold ahold of their dad with a tire iron bout killed him, but all her dad did was wait till my uncle fell asleep and beat him in his bed bc of it. I can’t imagine how my moms childhood was , and I know I went way out in left field on this comment reply but cherish and hold all your grandfathers relics like that bc he was obviously one of the hero’s of this great nation!!
For anyone interested, the movie sequences at 2:07 and 4:31 from To Hell and Back are Audie Murphy recreating his use of rifle grenades to destroy an abandoned tank. He was awarded the Bronze Star with a "V" for valor for meritorious or heroic acts in combat for this act.
In other words he played himself in the movie about him.
".. to destroy an abandoned tank..". So, technically, he could climb the tank, piss inside, and the corrrosion would have rendered the ABANDONED tank as destroyed as well ?
sjeeeeesh..
@@oddballsok Clearly you have not seen combat. The abandoned tank was not far from enemy held positions and the tank was only temporarily abandoned. If he had waited for the crew to return with supporting infantry, the tank would have been recovered and become a deadly threat. He had to crawl up on it under fire and put it permanently out of commission. If he had climbed on it as you suggest, he would probably have been killed.
@@oddballsok Audie Murphy also halted a German combined attack, by calling in artillery on the enemy tanks just ahead of his own position. When the German infantry got too close, he mounted a burning M-10 Tank Destroyer and held them off with the 50 cal. that was still working. After an hour the Germans gave up their attack and Murphy finally jumped off of the burning wreck, which had been so kind not to explode the entire time. For this heroic feat he was awarded the Medal of Honor.
Audie Murphy was the most decorated soldier of World War II.
Medal of Honor
Distinguished Service Cross
Silver Star (2)
Legion of Merit
Bronze Star Medal (2, 1 with "V" device)
Purple Heart (3)
@@oddballsok In the movie the tank was being repaired, so not "abandoned." They were repairing the track blown off earlier by artillery. Murphy destroyed the track again. This was important because the tank was blocking the road through impassable muddy fields.
I did not know that this was a hollow charge capable of penetrating armor, I always thought it was just a chunk of explosive fired out further than you could throw a grenade. That's why I love this channel, I learn stuff. 👍
There was also a Frag rifle grenade for the M1 Garand's grenade Launcher, the M17 grenade.
Same here.
I also did not know the entire propulsive force was in the Grenade Cartridge. I though that part of it was in the tail of the grenade. Even with those cartridges being more powerful than blanks - I'm still surprised it had as much force as it did.
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Some modern armies maintained a love affair with rifle grenades for a long time after WW2, notably the French and Belgians. Modern versions have a "shoot through" hole down the middle of the grenade body that captures the rifle gas, obviating the need for special blank cartridges.
The French had a pretty neat rifle grenade in the Great War, a.k.a. World War One that operated on the exact same principle of a live round passing through, exactly as you described 👍😎
Thanks! I never checked on when the tech was first in use! That early, huh?@@vincentking9980
Audie Murphy in this Video is shooting a American tank called M41 Walker Buldogg. Audie Murphy was a all American Hero.
the grandfather of the M79
Also a very neat weapon. A ton of video game uses too
Nice info. The M7 rifle grenade launcher (for the M1 rifle) wasn't issued until about 1943 - 44, so the M1903 (or M1903A3) was retained in service for use with rifle grenades. The carbine had an M8 launcher for the M9 grenade (a different attaching method as WW2 carbines didn't have bayonet lugs). The special blank cartridge was also called a "grenade crimp" by US military personnel. Back in the 1970s, I was a WW2 reenactor and we cautioned to never fire a grenade crimp when the blank firing adapter was fitted to our M1s. The GI blank firing adapter reduced the muzzle opening to allow the gas to cycle the weapon for semi-auto fire. Regular M1909 .30 caliber blanks didn't have the distinctive crimp, they had a slightly extended cartridge case that was closed off with a cardboard disk and red wax. Carbine grenade crimps were just smaller versions of the.>30-06 version. The two biggest problems with the M9 rifle grenade were the lack of penetration at many battle ranges and the fact that many GIs received little training or practice fire with the rifle grenades.I believe that it was during development of the M9 grenade that someone put a rocket motor on a test example and the bazooka was born.
Thanks for adding some experience and knowledge. Always appreciated 🙏
The Bazooka was born at the end of ww1 or near the end.
@@gotanon9659 You may be thinking of another weapon. The bazooka was developed in America after World War 2 had started in Europe but before Pearl Harbor. There were two different development groups working without knowing what the other was doing. The one group had been working on a heavy duty shaped charge rifle grenade that was intended to be used on a .50 cal heavy machine gun while another group had been developing a solid fuel rocket launcher but only really intending to use a generic high explosive war head. The story goes that neither group was really thrilled with their separate results but they happened to go to the testing grounds on the same day and had a chocolate and peanut butter moment and started developing the rocket launcher with a shaped charge warhead that became the bazooka.
Reference the bolt action Springfield being retained for use with rifle grenades I've seen pictures of kit layouts for troops prepping for D-Day (supposedly dating from May 1944) and the grenadiers still had the bolt actions. Whether they got the adapted M1's before the landings I don't know.
Yes, bac@@HunterTN Yes, back in the 1970s when I was a reenactor our group borrowed some M1s from the local American Legion. These were M1s that had the gas cylinders modified and then welded to the barrel to prevent semi-auto fire. When we borrowed the sixrifles, the AL representative commented, "We have problems with the cases sticking". It turned out that they had been given several GI ammo cans of grenade blanks. They made a satisfying bang, but even with an unrestricted bore, the cases swelled enough to make them tight in the chambers.
Americans actually upgraded their Grenadier count per Squad from 1 to 3 in 1944. Given how many there were per squad, its an underrepresented part of a Rifle Squads firepower in the movies.
Always wanted one of these for Airsoft
See a lot of tanks in airport? Lol
You think of airsoft
Legends think how to get it in real life
@@siddharthk7182 Laws say I can't 💀
@@SnakierElm62 I think that they'd be legal in most states, but you'd have to fire solid rounds, or a training round with no explosives inside of it. You could even legally use a live grenade, it's just that you'd have to fill out all sorts of paperwork, go through some background checks, and pay for $200 tax stamp on top of whatever the grenade coss.
@@Riceball01 Not in the states
Also in Insurgency: Sandstorm the reloading and riflegrenade has appeared in the game aswell,
when it had the bug to swap to the knife it had magically reloaded the rifle with the grenade and ammo it was fun to use lol
Okay thanks
Really thought i understood rifle grenades. Well, i did not. Thanks for posting this.
I really had no idea there was a rifle grenade that effective against armor during ww2. Freaking impressive.
Idea: Tranquilizer guns
It's a very fun idea. It's on my list!
Unless this is about one kind of tranquilizer weapon, this is gonna take a lot of example vids from both real life and especially in fiction.
As a fun little side fact the French Army actually uses a rifle grenade that uses live ammunition to fire it as opposed to blanks. I would definitely hate to be the guys that's forced to carry them.
I'm guessing you meant 'LIVE' but.... This is france you're talking about here.
@@ColonelSandersLite lol! yes I did. I had my phones keyboard set to a different language without realizing, so autocorrect changed it to love. Thanks for pointing it out
It's very potent and it's a "funny" prank in the military because the recoil is so huge it can break your nose.
Bullet trap rifle grenades.
Befor the change to the HK. The majority of a French army squad had rifle grenade on them in combat. If I remember correctly we where suppose to have like 4 rifle grenade in the combat amunition load. It’s been a long time that I shoot those fucking rifle grenade whit a famas. They give you a fucking recoils. I’m lucky never get my nose done buy one of those.
Watching the enlisted clips is funny, especially destroying the tank. The anti tank piat doesn't do anything a majority of the time but 1 rifle grenade knocks out 3 crew members while also being able to be used against infantry. What a wacky game
Really impressed that you had a clip from 'Nikita'. A great film.
This was the change of pace I needed.... I spent the day installing and calibrating laser grip sights on my .45.
Thanks, Johnny!
Nice vid as always! Awesome!
Got an interresting theme, the naval "San Shiki" AA Shell. I think that kind of ammo is really something unusual...
Ty Johnny
Love your format on these vids
Thank you for enlightening me on how the rifle grenade works.I wasn't sure if it was impelled by a rifle round or by the gas from the same round when fired.I never had the chance to fire one during training as they were being phased out along with the M-14 that we trained with.
Very well covered. I wonder, would the M79 be the direct followup or more of merging of rifle grenade and mortar?
It took a lot of development and experimentation to go from rifle grenades to practical under-barrel grenade launchers. The final design is basically an entirely separate granade-firing gun, so it's really a descendant of neither.
Since the original launching device for 40mm was a modified rifle grenade launcher and the US likely knew the german Kampfpistole (28mm flare launcher firing modified rifle grenades) my guess is those two rather than the mortar are the parents
"Ahh, pointing at things and shooting is too hard, let me do trigonometry instead"
- SovietWomble
Random Rising Storm 2: Vietnam Bullshittery (part 3): ua-cam.com/video/W3WSoYK3m0A/v-deo.html
That’s quite an explosive topic Johnny!
Since you mentioned underbarrel launchers, are you thinking about doing a video on the M203?
On my list I promise. Might be a bit though.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsqWell if I don't die first I'll watch it.
It was used in the War Of The Worlds tv show from the 80s.
Do a video on the accuracy of war video games
That topic is overwhelming at times lol
Great video, as always. Thanks
Can you do a video on the m16
I will for sure. I just need the channel to have a really stable month so I can take a solid full week or so to make it.
Hey Johnny. Great vids. I subbed and have watched a few videos of yours. Very neat & informative stuff
Thanks man! Always appreciate such feedback 🙏
There are still a lot of people who do not know grenade launcher origins from WWII and even earlier without study history. Thanks to you. Some people even thought missiles are first used during Vietnam war.
First grenade :3
The ADF as well as other militaries still use modern rifle grenades in some capacity to this day as they can be a bit more effective than thrown grenades and aren't so limited in size for tube launchers like the M203 and M320, which they also use.
great as always
This weapon always confised me. Ibshould have looked it up, but i knew Johnny would be on it.
eeeey props for showing project reality!
I continue to be overjoyed when you upload, simple quick and informative, great content
Get all my research from Johnny. What a lad.
Thanks for dropping in on my channel ❤️
Ayy a bit late but keep up the good content johnny :)
Good to see Enlisted pop up there. Fun game
1:45 I bought one of these grenade sights from the Army Surplus store, it did wonders for my Potato Gun's accuracy.
These are also used by US Rifleman squads in Company of Heroes 2 as their vehicle snare ability
Like your videos, good combination of info and movie/anime footage. Thanks a lot for what you are doing!
‘Too much pressure”. Jonny!
Another great video for the books.
Sgt Roebuck: "Miller! Load up with those rifle grenades and blow that damn bird off his perch."
Not sure if this was became of my suggestion, but thanks either way Johnny! 😁👍
It was actually! 👍
Came for the info, stayed for the pun at the end of the video.
Always wondered when you guys would get to rifle grenades
It always amuses me that rifle grenades have more or less fallen out of favor as we went into the second half of the 20th century, but France retained rifle grenades for use on the FAMAS for a long time
Yugos too, in different form.
The US army still uses the rifle granade albeit as a breaching device and its still seeing use in less advanced nations.
Development of the FAMAS runs parallel to the 40mm grenade launchers becoming popular. And initial usage was as the grenadiers main weapon. It was not until the early/mid 70s that underbarrel units and the more compact "carry as a secondary one" like H&K 69 GraPi became common.
Other nations used them (West Germany with the G1, the border guards used them into the late 60s) or planned to use them (the G3 can fire them)
I already knew what the intro clip was going to be
You're getting to know me well.
Would be very cool to see automatic grenade launchers. Great video as always my man
Yes the modern age has plenty of of examples...😊😊
@@eamonnclabby7067 Like HBO's terrific "Generation Kill" has several harrowing scenes featuring a mounted AGL being fired
I have an M7 grenade launcher for my M1 rifle. It's a nice accessory to have.
oh man the way you ended on the Vietnam war i thought it was gonna be a longer video! dammit lol still a great video.
Can you do one on the SKS?
Then there's the Bo-Hiya, a rocket/Grenade attached to the Banzutsu or hand cannon creating one of the oldest examples. Commonly used in sieges and naval warfare.
Enough pressure to blow my mind away 😂
The M1 Rifle could fore in semi-automatic mode with the grenade launcher in place, using ball ammo. When used to fire grenades, the launcher set back and a stud opened the valve on the gas cylindde lock screw, thus venting the gas. Without s grenade in place, spring pressure kept the launcher forward, keeping the valve closed.
I wonder if there was a way to use the rifle grenades as hand grenades like that scene in SPR with the 60mm mortar rounds.
There is a way, I have seen an old training video, on YT, about the rifle grenade, and they show that. You just need to remove the safety pin, and then trow it very hard, in a very high angle, so it falls tip first.
Is it hits a hard surface, with enough velocity, it will go off.
The best "Lawn Darts" game ever!
videogame Day of Infamy has a nice realistic grenade launcher
There’s actually a photo of both the gun and the soldier using it after they used a live round in a rifle grenade it’s not pretty for the human part and the rifle was basically shattered
Also from 1945 to 1951 the us army made an improved model of the m7 called the m7a1 that allowed the user to keep the semi automatic action of the garand with it mounted but lose it when mounting a grenade onto the device using a simple spring loaded piston that stays closed until the grenade is either fired or removed then opens to allow use of the semi automatic capabilities of the rifle and the launcher recoiled as well when fired to prevent damage to the rifle
and the rifle itself was modified slightly with a hardened gas cylinder lock labeled H for hardened that extended the amount of time a soldier could use the device
This meant that the soldiers issued the rifle grenades could just slap the new device on their rifles and forget about it as they only lose the semiautomatic action when a grenade is mounted on it and only remove it if they are issued a bayonet and need yo mount it or when cleaning their rifle
Which in the case of the fast paced battles of the wars of the time where a few seconds can be the difference between life and death for you and your squad meant a much quicker deploy time of the grenades which of course can be the difference between life and death
And there’s a 2 more variants after the a1 meant to solve various problems found with previous variants with the a3 being modified to fire a much more powerful anti tank grenade to defeat the soviet t-34 tanks used by the North Korean army as the ww2 grenades didn’t have enough power to stop them
And there were even booster charges for the standard m7
Called the vitamin pill by soldiers it consisted of a cutdown 45 colt casing with a small hole at the base loaded into the device like a shotgun shell and the flame of the main cartridge would travel into the hole igniting the charge and sending the grenade an additional 100-150 yards
I had no idea this was an anti tank weapon.
With only 2 inches of penetration, it wouldn't have worked on all tanks. German Tiger tanks had up to 3 to 4 inches of armour thickness on most sides. You'd probably have to get in front of it and hit it in the belly like the Hell and Back movie clip showed and that's not the safest place to be when facing a tank.
@@mrquirky3626 In real life, Murphy destroyed it's treads with six rifle grenades.
Some Rifle grenades actually allow you to fire using an actual bullet without using a blank, they're know as "bullet catchers" the FAMAS AT (APAV-40 & AC-58) grenades are notorious in the French army for the recoil it generates when using rifle grenades, often hitting the forehead of the soldier that is unprepared for the massive recoil, there are many videos of soldier getting the parallel lines of the FAMAS handgrip imprinted on their forehead
Excellent enlisted footage I really like that game.
nice
awesome 😃
my husband told me of the FN Fal rifle grenade and the dislike of using it even though it was in training.
Worth noting, the M10 grenade was a more powerful follow-on weapon, but was too large to be fired from a rifle (there was discussion about using the bayonet as a rocket launch rail). Finally they held a contest to build a launch system for the M10, the bazooka was the winner.
Audie Murphy there!
I always watch 'till the end for the puns. ;)
One small thing that may be interesting is that you can take a 60mm mortar round, detach the fin, and screw it into the rifle grenade fin. There are a few pictures of it being done, essentially acting as an even more portable mortar.
The Ukrainians are fitting mortar rounds to fire from an rpg-7, it gives a better anti-personnel effect than the shaped charge that comes standard. They call it an "Alabama", which is pretty damn cool if you ask me!
I remember that game lol
Always thought the idea of a GI hitting a MG34 nest dead on, in the heat of combat, with an unaimed rifle grenade fired in a high arch, was pretty fucking ludicrous in that scene in Band of Brothers. There's no way he would have made that shot first time, no God damn way.
A trained soldier hitting his target, imagine that.
@richardstephens5570 with a weapon that has a 89⁰ fire arch, without sights, in the heat of combat while winging it, imagine that.
The M8 launchers for the M1 Carbine were first used in Europe by soldiers fighting in France and then Korea on the M2 version.
SVT-38/40 in movies next?
On my list I promise. Might be a bit.
The M9 Grenade Rifle Reminds me from World at War Hard Landing.
M9A1 actually penetrates 3.5-4 inches of armor. 60mm was more the very early M9, the A1 was much improved.
The M17 frag was phased out due to its wimpy EC powder (guncotton) filling. The M9A1 used actual high explosive fill, as did later-model Mk.2 frags
I found a lot of conflicting information on those numbers. 4 inches seems a lot to me. I wasn't able to verify that number, but you certainly could be right.
Hey Johnny I collect militaria and I do have 33 grenades including 7 ww1 rifle grenades UK, Italy etc
Very cool. Sadly where I live it's hard to even buy dummy replicas =/
Rifle Proppeled Grenade. I'm a huge fan of the ospray in Foxhole, especially with green ash.
"You may hit your targets but I hit MY targets"
~SovietWomble
Video idea Irish soldiers in the civil war
With the Post Scriptum detail in mind, what happens if and when a trooper doesn't have a special blank around to help with the grenade?
Anyway, hope to see the China Lake launcher too sometime. Might even expect a certain Black Lagoon: Roberta's Blood Trail scene to accompany it.
ua-cam.com/video/Dqpa1dpn4MQ/v-deo.html - Black Lagoon made it into this one!
Thanks. Anyways, pertaining to the first question needing answers...
The special blank cartridge was packed with each grenade.
@@Hedgehobbit Noted, but there may be cases when those somehow get misplaced if not dropped during intense action. What then?
@@michaelandreipalon359Then your grenade launcher turns into a club. We're in a much better place these days with under-barrel grenade launchers, because when, not if, they fail, you can throw some tracers downrange and egress the area.
I love your videos can you do a overview of a world war 1 French uniform
I can try! Uniforms can get bonkers complicated for me.
cool
Why did it take so long to develop tube launched cartridge grenades for infantry? I've tried looking this up but never found a well-sourced answer.
Some say it was because rifle grenades were primarily anti-vehicle weapons, and that tube launchers lack the range, penetration and power to damage armored vehicles.
Another explanation was that gas operated intermediate caliber rifles like the AK and M16 were ill suited to a grenade rifle.
Others point to armament doctine, saying that dedicated mortar teams were deemed more effective
You're amazing at sourcing info. Did you ever run across a mid-century development request that explains why? There's gotta be one for the M79 (or some predecessor) but I can't find it
But enough about that -thanks for another great video!!
The reason was a need for throwing explosives in the gap between maximum hand grenade range and minimum mortar range. That came up with the more fluid warfare of WW2 and Korea and the realisation that you could not Davey Crocett all problems. The M79 was developed starting early 50s, basically the time when the US went "oops ,maybe tac nukes are not always the solution"
1:45
Rang was not adjusted that way for the M9/M9A1s. They were to be put all the way on and range was adjusted by the angle of fire. Its maximum range is around 260ish yards from a 45 degree angle.
Only the adapters for the hand grenades used the notch system with angle of elevation.
It should also be noted that despite men being trained to shoot it from the ground, in all the photos that I have seen and in most of the pictures, they all are firing it from the shoulder.
2:25
By august of 1944 the army called for 4 rifle greaniders per rifle squad. Not all squads had all 4 but at full strength they did. Anyone could’ve been made a rifle gun in the air. But typically the assistant squad leader would most definitely be a grenadier
You're right. It seems this was discouraged for M9s as if they'd slip off and land on their heads they'd explode. Thank you for this. Might edit this at a later date.
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq it’s also in the FM for it.
niiiiiiiiiiice!
m203 next ?
The Hungarians had rifle grenades as well, pretty decent compared to other Hungarian weapons
Those things look pretty effective. This episode created excessive back pressure in my chamber. It’s undoubtedly gonna lead to excessive wear on my locking lugs and premature aging of my entire bolt carrier group.
I do apologize. ;)
The Aussie, Chinese and Italian soldiers know this, for their culture.
The misconception in movies is that they never inserted a blank round in the chamber to fire the rifle grenade. Because if you just insert it at the tip and fired it's gonna blast on your face
This grenade doesn't get enough credit on how effective it was 1:40 in anti-monsters warfare during WW2 and way into the 1950's.
The Beast From 20,00 Fathoms! Question though, the thumb is confusing, the M9 could not be fired from an M-1 Carbine, yes?
Carbine or Springfield. All can fire it just with a different attachment.
Will you talk about the panzer series and I mean by only the panzers panther doesn’t count cause it’s one of the more known vehicles the panzers always get over looked by the big cats
I have a panzer III video kicking around somewhere but I do need to do more...
@@JohnnyJohnsonEsq ok
There's a few that can use reg ammo
My friends dad still alive has an annecdote about being a very green soldier and crossing the rhine. seing a german in a fox hole. and getting a hole in one
wait can I destroy tanks with that in enlisted?!?!?!?
From the side or rear for most effects
Lmao , nice joke at the end haha, "preasure " i saw what you did there lmao
Pentolote? Why they use that explosive in the grenade? Instead of tnt.
Pentolite: PETN + TNT is more powerful by weight than just TNT, but is less sensitive than just PETN
Always wondered how they were fired and actually thought used a real bullet
It is so insanely slow to load in Insurgency: Sandstorm ... like , damn , it is embarrassing .