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For anyone considering these speakers ... for what it's worth, I compared a single 1723 Monitor S with a Klipsch RP600C and the 1723 had a MUCH larger presence, the detail in bass and treble was also considerable. I am using a TP projector screen and could easily localize the Klipsch positioning, which was distracting during movies. The 1723 produces a sound stage that's twice as large and more difficult to localize. I connected both speakers to my L/R channels and ran them as full size, level matched, with port plugs removed on the 1723s. I played various content and used the Left / Right volume mix within Windows to quickly switch between speakers. A single 1723s outputs a wall of sound, and the bass output was surprising for two 6.5" drivers in my space (15x17x8) that has a large opening to my kitchen area. I ordered another 1723s after the first day of testing, so I don't have opinions on imaging and sound stage while writing this.
I received and installed my 1723 Monitors this past Saturday. I would have used Erins link but I ordered them before the video came out obviously lol. Anyway, after setting them up and messing with placement and calibration, I am extremely happy with the sound. The detail and soundstage are immense. I was previously using emotiva T1 Plus Towers with a C2 plus center and these speakers are on another level altogether. Very happy with my purchase!
Thanks for another Arendal review. I had the S towers and upgraded to the large towers and they sound great in my listening room. Free shipping and returns in the US and excellent customer service from my experience. Best speaker I found for the price listening to classic rock. Most people could probably get by without subs but I bought a pair of SVS SB1000 Pros and the 2.2 system sounds even better. Highly recommend Arendal!
Super interesting review. I have a 3.1 home theater with two 1723 S towers and a 1723 S monitor for a center. It sounds incredible and I don’t really listen to it off axis ever so I haven’t noticed any issues on this front.
Mr Erin I most be perfectly honest you are incredible informative and completely open and honest regarding everything thing you review I'm messaging from Trinidad and Tobago great review
Jfc I’m glad I went with the 1723 S over the big ones. These things are already heavy and big enough. I got them when they discontinued the Gloss finishes and slammed one into my face when it slipped.
Really would appreciate your advice on the Revel F206 (closeout prices) vs the ARENDAL Monitor S vs Kef R 3 Meta with SVS SB 3000 for moderate stereo use, I do appreciate your response on the new Morel. I did not see the Revel F206 reviewed on your site, hence posting the question here. Your opinion is one of the most valued on the net. Appreciate your recommendation. Thank you for all you do.
As well as your normal comprehensive set of tests, good to see the comparison between the two 👍🏼 what would you say about either/ both of them vs other speakers around the same price? They’re halfway between a bookshelf and a floor stander … large stand mounts - likely to be used on short stands. So potentially - probably vs any type atvaround say $2000 - 3000
Great review and these are on my short list to use for my next home theater. Did you enjoy them listening to them? Were they just as enjoyable as the r3 meta another speaker I was looking at especially after your review. Keep up the great work!
@@ErinsAudioCorner Yup I’m torn between those two. I’m 50-50 home theater and music, maybe I’ll give them both a try although I’m leaning towards the arendal.
@@roelcorral7720 I'm in your same boat. I've been going back and forth trying to decide this because I have Ls50 Metas already. The deciding factor is I want a tower for the fronts and the Kef towers are way more expensive than the Arendal 1723 S.
@@emotive7 I have kef speakers their old r-200/300 series and they are great but from what I hear the arendals has some great high frequency detail that the kefs roll of a little but the kefs has slightly better pin point accuracy. I’m leaning towards arendal but you never know.
In Australia the T-shirt that changed colour was called “ Hypercolour” I loved mine , thought I was super cool 😎 Great review as usual Erin , thanks man, love your work.
Thanks for your review....it was way too complicated for me. I had listened to another review person who said the Arendals were certified neutral....that's supposed to be good right?
I wish you'd review the 1723 towers at some point. All the usual "suspects" rave about an unheard of (haha) near full range GIANT KILLER, whereas JoeNTell admitted they didn't perform as expected in the low end, especially considering their size and abundance of not-so-small drivers. I'm in the market for towers for a 2 channel setup, preferably with no subs, and am seriously considering them. Joe's remarks however made me reconsider, hoping to see more thorough measurements to validate his claim. They do offer a trial period, however where I live, I'd have to pay a 10% returning fee.
Can't wait for you to get the 1528, they look lovely. Does it matter to if you get the 1723 surround and 1723s height for Atmos or should you get the 1723s as surround. Or does it not make a difference?? Thanks for all your hard work
I wish these manufacturers would indicate what driver makes and models they're using. Those woofers look identical to the Peerless woofers I've used in several builds. They are outstanding drivers.
@@firecloud77 It has been discussed elsewhere, but the pictures of them that I have seen show a quite different frame and motor structure. Maybe on Audioholics or Audio Science Review.
As a speaker builder I can say that this Dapolito design have this problem of dispertion, the dip near 1 khz can be corrected using 24 db per octave crossover but it will be much more expensive, that roll off at 12 khz for me is fatal because that is where the air sound from 10 khz to 13 khz and that is because is a soft dome tweeter, the soft dome tweeter that have beautiful top end at 12 khz are few, Dynaudio T-330 esotar tweeter fo example used on Eaglestone Andras & Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage are for me the perfect tweeter but is too expensive and only speakers more than 10k a pair will use it
7:26 more then 10-12 degrees is probably max for 3-4 rows of incline , I would have guessed a lot less to be honest, from what ive seen. but hugely depending on distance from the tweeter ofc
Thx a lot. I guess i understood most of it. Wow..great explanation. I have only 1 row and consider 2 pairs of the S with matching Center. Would it work to use 2 of the dipol surrounds as atmos speakers?
Hey buddy!! I just read some info on the new KEF KC62 KC92 subs that are coming out.. I purposely looked for your Arendal monitor speaker review video to ask you to PLEASE get the KC 92 KEF sub in and do your awesome review on it!! I think the kc92 subwoofer could be a game changer in matching a sealed sub to monitors/bookshelf style speakers for use in music and mostly home theater! Also, if you could talk about all the options the kc92 has for adjustment would be great 🎉
Thank you for the video. On the THXS model, the dip at 2K would you eq that? And your preference which part of the frequency range would you eq? 100-3k, or the whole thing to 20k?
Talking about the FR graph of the smaller S’s you said that near a wall you’d get lot of bass boost. Which is good, I think kinda “needed” news … because (esp the f3) for their size their extension is surprisingly ordinary Memory refresher ;) their f3’s: the S is 75 Hz, and the bigger one is 58 Hz I’d think that unless you’re using subs, most people are likely to want to put them close or right in front of a wall So if they are placed near a wall what would your wild @ss best guesestimate be of how much the f3 might come down to? My WAG/ thinking/ hoping it might reduce those f3’s by ~ a third. If it were, say 30%, the f3 S would drop from 75 to 53 Hz. And the bigger one from 58 to 41 Hz How do those numbers strike you?
Hi in a well treated movieroom whit 2 subbs. Wich ones would you recommend for LCR.? The room is 21longx11widex7higt and i like to listen to my movies loud. I sit around 9ft from the speakers
you have to remember Erin that if you premier a upcoming video then the real video won't show up in peoples subscription, because we will hide the fake video and wait for the real one so we do not have clutter in the subscription feed or have non video on the list.
Curiosity - how do you feel about Ghost? Do you like them? (and even other things Tobias has done maybe) Thanks for the review! PS We wouldn't think for a second that you were part of a scheduled marketing review! :D
If you use a subwoofer at 80-100 hz, does the 1723 S worth double the price over the 1961 that is on sale for 30% off? I ordered 3 1961 monitors for LCR because the price was too good to skip it. Thanks good, 1961 has very good linearity and compression results too. Thanks a lot for your reviews!
I have the 1961 monitors, if I were to do it again I would go with the 1723s. The 1961's as L/R don't offend, but they do have that small speaker sound. I personally don't care for the 1961 center at all. I would rather get the Monoprice Monlith THX-365C, which I did.
I commented on an older video about this. Currently, I am redoing the audio in my 2002 Lexus SC430. The shallow 8-inch sub is behind the back seat. Not a lot of subs can fit back there. Crutchfield recommended me a Polk, Audio Frog, and Focal. I was leaning towards Audiofrog, but I want your input. I will also be replacing the amp with a 5 channel Rockford Fosgate amp. I know I'm not going to get crazy low bass, but I want the best that will fit.
Check out the Alpine S W8D4. It's not a shallow mount sub, but it only has a mounting depth of about 3.75". I have two in the cargo area of my Hyundai Santa Fe and they hit pretty hard for a small sub. And they are relatively shallow.
Do you do a waterfall graph measurement? That’s important because it will show any cabinet resonance and driver settling time. With any box speaker, minimizing cabinet resonance is really key.
@@ErinsAudioCorner What's the spin data? And I know you once reviewed the Kii Three Monitors which are far more expensive. Do you think these speakers can compete with the Kii Three for a small home studio desktop monitor for producing music? I’m considering these as a passive option and the Kii Three and Dutch & Dutch 8c as active monitor options, but the latter two are roughly 5x the cost of the Arendal.
the SPIN data is just another term for “SPINORAMA” which is the CEA-2034 data. Look where the top 4 lines show bumps; those are resonances. The Kii gets down into 30Hz. These can’t do that. So I wouldn’t use these as substitutes for the Kii Three.
I spoke to their designers once. They told me they get this question everywhere, constantly, hundreds of times :) Why don't you do a 3 way center channel. They told me it was their decision as it is cheaper, smaller, and more effective. Withing a usual application, of around 30-degrees for all listening positions in a home setup, they told me their centers cover that up great. However, as we can see from the measurements, it's not so good. I would yet to see a center speaker with a good horizontal coverage of 40 degrees with an MTM design. So far, only Monoprice THX 365C and SVS Ultra/Prime centers can get things right, I believe (at least we know this about those from Erin's videos/research).
Honestly, probably not. KEF really is a separate league since they have a more uniform vertical dispersion because of their coaxial design and I'd recommend sticking with KEF speakers to get a better overall match.
Based on the vertical dispersion data, I’d be a little worried about using these horizontally oriented as a center speaker… kind of a bummer considering Arendal doesn’t make a 3-way center.
Think about it this way, 3-Way crossover design is complex and to get the best bass punch , you need bigger woofer drivers, so bigger cabinets! this is not going to work well with today's consumer base. So doing the best possible 2 way or 2.5 design and having the suitable subwoofers to complement the 2-way design will bring the best results!
The monitor is relatively short when vertical so I was able to place it under my screen and tilt it up slightly. It worked out surprisingly well and I don't notice the sound being lower to the ground than the left and right during panning, etc. You definitely hear a difference off-axis when it's horizontal but I didn't notice anything when it was vertical like the front left/right.
@@Dalt1225 yeah, if the speaker is set up vertically, it won’t have the issue. Ideally all LCR setups should use the same speakers oriented the same way of course. Most people get horizontal center speakers though because getting a vertically-oriented speaker isn’t an option.
I like to think the S means Sport. Like in the automotive world where the "S" or "Sport" always means the least sporty or base model which makes perfect sense 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As the great Matthew McConaughey says, "Alright, alright, alright...." P.S. Awesome video, as always :) P.S.S. Regarding the larger ones falling off, I imagine those using them as LCR speakers fixed in place behind the screen (AT), in a home theater application with insulated treated baffle wall behind them. P.S.S.S. I do not hear anything over 16K already, thus, no issues with dips/peaks over 17K :)))) Basically, they use the same speakers for their Centers. Thus, judging from the off-axis response (vertical for the Monitors orientation), we have a good freqency coverage of about 20 degrees? That means they are only good for a main listening position. Damn, I thought their waveguide design will help with the dispersion. Moreover, Monopice THX 365C is TWO times cheaper than a 1723 S Center (basically a laid on a side 1723 S Monitor). 499$ vs 999$. I think we have a clear winner here, for the center channel.
Useless comment seriously. Measurements are a baseline, that’s it. It levels out the playing field to give you a rough idea of its quality without variance. Measurements are a starting point. It helps narrow down speakers that won’t work in your use case (like horrible off axis, not great on wall, needs a bit of space from the wall, low sensitivity) so you can narrow down speaker selections so you’re not swapping a dozen different brands and instead down to 2-3.
Parts of this video is just off! I'll only adress the simple ones. I own the 1723 Monitors. No high frequency issues in my untreated room. No stability issues on stands because they are extremely heavy (HDF cabinets). They will not fall off stands. People always get hung up on measurements. How about try listening and using you ears. Speakers can measure perfect but don't sound that way. All the other equipment also affects the sound. By the way, prounced like "Arndall"
Bruh. Arendal posts the same measurements on their site. Arendal also hasn’t refuted my review and they have - in fact - asked me to review additional products of theirs. If they thought I was as wrong as you think then they wouldn’t want me reviewing their products.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Problem is, it's all about "measurement". Maybe listening should be where the real truth is. Like I said, all the other gear affects the "sound" as well. This is something reviewers rarely mention, misleading people into thinking there review is the gospel truth. Measurements/numbers do not tell the whole story. When I purchased mine, the numbers meant nothing, my ears told me these were excellent speakers. This is why they are still with me.
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For anyone considering these speakers ... for what it's worth, I compared a single 1723 Monitor S with a Klipsch RP600C and the 1723 had a MUCH larger presence, the detail in bass and treble was also considerable.
I am using a TP projector screen and could easily localize the Klipsch positioning, which was distracting during movies. The 1723 produces a sound stage that's twice as large and more difficult to localize.
I connected both speakers to my L/R channels and ran them as full size, level matched, with port plugs removed on the 1723s. I played various content and used the Left / Right volume mix within Windows to quickly switch between speakers. A single 1723s outputs a wall of sound, and the bass output was surprising for two 6.5" drivers in my space (15x17x8) that has a large opening to my kitchen area.
I ordered another 1723s after the first day of testing, so I don't have opinions on imaging and sound stage while writing this.
I received and installed my 1723 Monitors this past Saturday. I would have used Erins link but I ordered them before the video came out obviously lol. Anyway, after setting them up and messing with placement and calibration, I am extremely happy with the sound. The detail and soundstage are immense. I was previously using emotiva T1 Plus Towers with a C2 plus center and these speakers are on another level altogether. Very happy with my purchase!
Would you say they have a huge soundstage? I’m trying to get the s monitors. I currently have Polk r200s
Gotta say I'm impressed with the output. Definetly the hardest working audio reviewer on youtube 👌
Definetly! 😅
I would love to have a comparison between these speakers and similarly priced KEF Meta R series for home theater.
Thanks for another Arendal review. I had the S towers and upgraded to the large towers and they sound great in my listening room. Free shipping and returns in the US and excellent customer service from my experience. Best speaker I found for the price listening to classic rock. Most people could probably get by without subs but I bought a pair of SVS SB1000 Pros and the 2.2 system sounds even better. Highly recommend Arendal!
My budget is about 3500. Would you say the extra 800 were significantly worth it for the large towers?
Thank you for waiting, and not being part of pure marketing efforts!
Super interesting review. I have a 3.1 home theater with two 1723 S towers and a 1723 S monitor for a center. It sounds incredible and I don’t really listen to it off axis ever so I haven’t noticed any issues on this front.
May I ask if you use a 3.1 AVR or a 5.1 (upwards) AVR? I am curious if there is one with just 3.1 I didnt notice yet
@@Djehuti-85 - I use a 7.1.4 receiver. I plan on adding more speakers later.
Mr Erin I most be perfectly honest you are incredible informative and completely open and honest regarding everything thing you review I'm messaging from Trinidad and Tobago great review
Please include the 1961 in the review! Your viewers want to know.
Jfc I’m glad I went with the 1723 S over the big ones.
These things are already heavy and big enough.
I got them when they discontinued the Gloss finishes and slammed one into my face when it slipped.
Great review and comparison Erin! I have the 1723 S Monitors as LCR and I love them.
I bet that’s a pretty killer system. What else are you running?
@@ErinsAudioCornerIndeed! It's full 7.2.4 Arendal, 1961 Surrounds, Bookshelves, and Heights, and two 1723 1S subs
@@adamjj85a dream came true.
@@adamjj85 damn
@@adamjj85nice! I have 1723 monitors as my LCRs and 1961 bookshelves and heights. Two RSL Speedwoofer 12s's for my subs. Outstanding soundstage.
Thanks for the excellent review! Would love a similar comparison of the 1723 THX Towers; the S and non-S version...
Really would appreciate your advice on the Revel F206 (closeout prices) vs the ARENDAL Monitor S vs Kef R 3 Meta with SVS SB 3000 for moderate stereo use, I do appreciate your response on the new Morel. I did not see the Revel F206 reviewed on your site, hence posting the question here. Your opinion is one of the most valued on the net. Appreciate your recommendation. Thank you for all you do.
As well as your normal comprehensive set of tests, good to see the comparison between the two 👍🏼
what would you say about either/ both of them vs other speakers around the same price?
They’re halfway between a bookshelf and a floor stander … large stand mounts - likely to be used on short stands. So potentially - probably vs any type atvaround say $2000 - 3000
Great review and these are on my short list to use for my next home theater. Did you enjoy them listening to them? Were they just as enjoyable as the r3 meta another speaker I was looking at especially after your review. Keep up the great work!
I did enjoy them. Personally, I would take the Kef with a subwoofer, but these do have better distortion and compression metrics I believe.
@@ErinsAudioCorner
Yup I’m torn between those two. I’m 50-50 home theater and music, maybe I’ll give them both a try although I’m leaning towards the arendal.
@@roelcorral7720 I'm in your same boat. I've been going back and forth trying to decide this because I have Ls50 Metas already. The deciding factor is I want a tower for the fronts and the Kef towers are way more expensive than the Arendal 1723 S.
@@emotive7 I have kef speakers their old r-200/300 series and they are great but from what I hear the arendals has some great high frequency detail that the kefs roll of a little but the kefs has slightly better pin point accuracy. I’m leaning towards arendal but you never know.
Aamazing review man, great job!
Question: What is the maximum SPL these speakers can reach without perceivable distortion?
I don’t have them anymore to tell you that answer for sure. Plus it would vary depending on the listener and what they are listening to.
Thanks for another great video. Sorry to hear about the back, I'm there right now. No fun getting older. Love the t-shirt!
In Australia the T-shirt that changed colour was called “ Hypercolour”
I loved mine , thought I was super cool 😎
Great review as usual Erin , thanks man, love your work.
how do these compare to the perlisten s bookshelves?
Thanks for your review....it was way too complicated for me. I had listened to another review person who said the Arendals were certified neutral....that's supposed to be good right?
I wish you'd review the 1723 towers at some point. All the usual "suspects" rave about an unheard of (haha) near full range GIANT KILLER, whereas JoeNTell admitted they didn't perform as expected in the low end, especially considering their size and abundance of not-so-small drivers. I'm in the market for towers for a 2 channel setup, preferably with no subs, and am seriously considering them. Joe's remarks however made me reconsider, hoping to see more thorough measurements to validate his claim. They do offer a trial period, however where I live, I'd have to pay a 10% returning fee.
Can't wait for you to get the 1528, they look lovely. Does it matter to if you get the 1723 surround and 1723s height for Atmos or should you get the 1723s as surround. Or does it not make a difference?? Thanks for all your hard work
I wish these manufacturers would indicate what driver makes and models they're using. Those woofers look identical to the Peerless woofers I've used in several builds. They are outstanding drivers.
Don't think they are.
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*"Don't think they are."*
How did you reach that conclusion?
@@firecloud77 It has been discussed elsewhere, but the pictures of them that I have seen show a quite different frame and motor structure.
Maybe on Audioholics or Audio Science Review.
its not the same. check ASR
I hope you get to review the Paradigm Founder series. I see these as very similar products.
After what I think was a short break in period I’m very happy with my 1723 monitors.
Thank you Erin for this awesome review. I got excited about Mofi Sourcepoint 8 after your video. Would these be better than Mofi for 2.1 music?
Personally, I’d go with the MoFi. I just tend to prefer the sound traits it has.
As a speaker builder I can say that this Dapolito design have this problem of dispertion, the dip near 1 khz can be corrected using 24 db per octave crossover but it will be much more expensive, that roll off at 12 khz for me is fatal because that is where the air sound from 10 khz to 13 khz and that is because is a soft dome tweeter, the soft dome tweeter that have beautiful top end at 12 khz are few, Dynaudio T-330 esotar tweeter fo example used on Eaglestone Andras & Sonus Faber Guarneri Homage are for me the perfect tweeter but is too expensive and only speakers more than 10k a pair will use it
How do you think the 1723 S would compare to the Kef R3 Meta for home theater?
I can’t comment on HT but for what it’s worth I preferred the 1723 towers to the KEF R3 Meta running both with a pair of subs listening to music.
@@BobbyBass-x6iTowers vs bookshelf?
7:26 more then 10-12 degrees is probably max for 3-4 rows of incline , I would have guessed a lot less to be honest, from what ive seen. but hugely depending on distance from the tweeter ofc
Thx a lot. I guess i understood most of it. Wow..great explanation.
I have only 1 row and consider 2 pairs of the S with matching Center. Would it work to use 2 of the dipol surrounds as atmos speakers?
Great information as usual! I'd love to hear your thoughts on the 1723 THX and S!
Hey buddy!! I just read some info on the new KEF KC62 KC92 subs that are coming out.. I purposely looked for your Arendal monitor speaker review video to ask you to PLEASE get the KC 92 KEF sub in and do your awesome review on it!! I think the kc92 subwoofer could be a game changer in matching a sealed sub to monitors/bookshelf style speakers for use in music and mostly home theater! Also, if you could talk about all the options the kc92 has for adjustment would be great 🎉
I've got a KC62 used with elderly Monitor Audio RS 8 Silvers in a 2-channel set up. The KC62 is superb!
Thank you for the video. On the THXS model, the dip at 2K would you eq that? And your preference which part of the frequency range would you eq? 100-3k, or the whole thing to 20k?
Talking about the FR graph of the smaller S’s you said that near a wall you’d get lot of bass boost. Which is good, I think kinda “needed” news …
because (esp the f3) for their size their extension is surprisingly ordinary
Memory refresher ;) their f3’s: the S is 75 Hz, and the bigger one is 58 Hz
I’d think that unless you’re using subs, most people are likely to want to put them close or right in front of a wall
So if they are placed near a wall what would your wild @ss best guesestimate be of how much the f3 might come down to?
My WAG/ thinking/ hoping it might reduce those f3’s by ~ a third. If it were, say 30%, the f3 S would drop from 75 to 53 Hz. And the bigger one from 58 to 41 Hz
How do those numbers strike you?
Hi in a well treated movieroom whit 2 subbs. Wich ones would you recommend for LCR.? The room is 21longx11widex7higt and i like to listen to my movies loud. I sit around 9ft from the speakers
you have to remember Erin that if you premier a upcoming video then the real video won't show up in peoples subscription, because we will hide the fake video and wait for the real one so we do not have clutter in the subscription feed or have non video on the list.
Curiosity - how do you feel about Ghost? Do you like them? (and even other things Tobias has done maybe)
Thanks for the review!
PS We wouldn't think for a second that you were part of a scheduled marketing review! :D
The only ghost I know is Patrick Swayze. And I love that movie. 😂😂
@@ErinsAudioCorner I asked cause you mentioned '80 and many songs they did are like metal + '80 and I though you liked them :D
He's not on the square or the level, yet. Give him a little time 😜
Emit 50, Sonnetto II, or Arendal 1723 S?
Thank you for the review but we were expecting more of a sound quality in use review for music and movies.
how's the bass on the THX
If you use a subwoofer at 80-100 hz, does the 1723 S worth double the price over the 1961 that is on sale for 30% off? I ordered 3 1961 monitors for LCR because the price was too good to skip it. Thanks good, 1961 has very good linearity and compression results too. Thanks a lot for your reviews!
I think if you’re using a subway for that high, then you’re probably OK.
I have the 1961 monitors, if I were to do it again I would go with the 1723s. The 1961's as L/R don't offend, but they do have that small speaker sound. I personally don't care for the 1961 center at all. I would rather get the Monoprice Monlith THX-365C, which I did.
I commented on an older video about this.
Currently, I am redoing the audio in my 2002 Lexus SC430. The shallow 8-inch sub is behind the back seat. Not a lot of subs can fit back there. Crutchfield recommended me a Polk, Audio Frog, and Focal. I was leaning towards Audiofrog, but I want your input. I will also be replacing the amp with a 5 channel Rockford Fosgate amp. I know I'm not going to get crazy low bass, but I want the best that will fit.
Check out the Alpine S W8D4. It's not a shallow mount sub, but it only has a mounting depth of about 3.75". I have two in the cargo area of my Hyundai Santa Fe and they hit pretty hard for a small sub. And they are relatively shallow.
How are these for low volume listening?
Hi Erin 1723 bookshelf S THX or KEF concerto Q - which one do you prefer?
Concerto.
@@ErinsAudioCorner thanks for the reply😃
this speakers vs kef R meta system for home cinema hifi 50/50 usage
These speakers need to be compared to Ascend Acoustics new 340SE2. That comparison has to be made.
Do you do a waterfall graph measurement? That’s important because it will show any cabinet resonance and driver settling time. With any box speaker, minimizing cabinet resonance is really key.
The SPIN data shows this quite readily.
@@ErinsAudioCorner What's the spin data? And I know you once reviewed the Kii Three Monitors which are far more expensive. Do you think these speakers can compete with the Kii Three for a small home studio desktop monitor for producing music? I’m considering these as a passive option and the Kii Three and Dutch & Dutch 8c as active monitor options, but the latter two are roughly 5x the cost of the Arendal.
the SPIN data is just another term for “SPINORAMA” which is the CEA-2034 data. Look where the top 4 lines show bumps; those are resonances.
The Kii gets down into 30Hz. These can’t do that. So I wouldn’t use these as substitutes for the Kii Three.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks Erin!
I like your style! Science is very important to me.... no hocus pocus with you 🎉
Great review, thanks. Would be nice to see the same company attempt a 3-way design using a concentric tweeter/mid driver and two woofers.
I think the S stands for SUCKER!!😂
That line is called Perlisten. 🤣
My Seaton Cat12 LCRs are such an approach, ... ie., 8" coax w/12"s above and below.
Point source from ~200 up has its advantages.
I spoke to their designers once. They told me they get this question everywhere, constantly, hundreds of times :) Why don't you do a 3 way center channel. They told me it was their decision as it is cheaper, smaller, and more effective. Withing a usual application, of around 30-degrees for all listening positions in a home setup, they told me their centers cover that up great. However, as we can see from the measurements, it's not so good. I would yet to see a center speaker with a good horizontal coverage of 40 degrees with an MTM design. So far, only Monoprice THX 365C and SVS Ultra/Prime centers can get things right, I believe (at least we know this about those from Erin's videos/research).
@@FOH3663 thinking of building something similar with Kef ci-160Q concentric drivers and maybe Dayton Audio Max-X MX10-22 10" woofers.
Lookin to make these my LCR would they tonal match my KEF CI 4100QL-THX surrounds?
Honestly, probably not. KEF really is a separate league since they have a more uniform vertical dispersion because of their coaxial design and I'd recommend sticking with KEF speakers to get a better overall match.
Epic! Thank you !
Thanks!
Are you planning to test 1723 tower vs 1723 S tower by any chance?
Not currently but that doesn't mean it will never happen.
Is that a hypercolor shirt? Vintage 90’s cool.
It is!
Based on the vertical dispersion data, I’d be a little worried about using these horizontally oriented as a center speaker… kind of a bummer considering Arendal doesn’t make a 3-way center.
Think about it this way, 3-Way crossover design is complex and to get the best bass punch , you need bigger woofer drivers, so bigger cabinets! this is not going to work well with today's consumer base. So doing the best possible 2 way or 2.5 design and having the suitable subwoofers to complement the 2-way design will bring the best results!
I'd suggest either finding a way to execute a vertical center, or go phantom.
The monitor is relatively short when vertical so I was able to place it under my screen and tilt it up slightly. It worked out surprisingly well and I don't notice the sound being lower to the ground than the left and right during panning, etc. You definitely hear a difference off-axis when it's horizontal but I didn't notice anything when it was vertical like the front left/right.
I'm running my 1723 Center in the vertical position. Sounds excellent in my setup.
@@Dalt1225 yeah, if the speaker is set up vertically, it won’t have the issue. Ideally all LCR setups should use the same speakers oriented the same way of course. Most people get horizontal center speakers though because getting a vertically-oriented speaker isn’t an option.
Great review!
I have the 1723 thx and they sound great but in my small room I think I should have gone with the 1723-S.
Any particular reason why? Is it just the size?
what is your room size. How far away do you sit from the speakers?
I like to think the S means Sport. Like in the automotive world where the "S" or "Sport" always means the least sporty or base model which makes perfect sense 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Makes sense. Smaller woofers means faster base, after all. Right? 😂😂
@@ErinsAudioCorner S is small .
As the great Matthew McConaughey says, "Alright, alright, alright...." P.S. Awesome video, as always :) P.S.S. Regarding the larger ones falling off, I imagine those using them as LCR speakers fixed in place behind the screen (AT), in a home theater application with insulated treated baffle wall behind them. P.S.S.S. I do not hear anything over 16K already, thus, no issues with dips/peaks over 17K :))))
Basically, they use the same speakers for their Centers. Thus, judging from the off-axis response (vertical for the Monitors orientation), we have a good freqency coverage of about 20 degrees? That means they are only good for a main listening position. Damn, I thought their waveguide design will help with the dispersion.
Moreover, Monopice THX 365C is TWO times cheaper than a 1723 S Center (basically a laid on a side 1723 S Monitor). 499$ vs 999$. I think we have a clear winner here, for the center channel.
I have 1723 Monitors as my LCRs and the soundstage is incredible. Very happy with them.
@@Dalt1225 Do you have all three of them behind the AT screen? Do you use all three of them in a vertical orientation, or the center is on its side?
@@crazydwarferI use them all in a vertical position with a 77" OLED.
"I get older, they stay the same age". That's the other one I remember him saying in that movie. So creepy but funny at the same time.
id worry a lot more about general sound quality and the ability to get seriously loud without distortion then off axis performance
The S Monitor vs KEF R3 Meta ? Anyone
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@@ErinsAudioCorner Thank you Erin. Still no.1. Saving my pennies!
It's pronounced Arendal. ;)
That helps.
It's pronounced r-in-dahl.
@@stephenphillips1660 No it not
@@gulogulo7636 I say air-in-doll
Pirates prefer Rrrrrrrrr'n-dal.
Love your shirt. Want one immediately :>
It’s 1723 and 1723S , not THX S
Buy speakers based on what YOUR ears like, not on measurements.
Useless comment seriously.
Measurements are a baseline, that’s it. It levels out the playing field to give you a rough idea of its quality without variance.
Measurements are a starting point. It helps narrow down speakers that won’t work in your use case (like horrible off axis, not great on wall, needs a bit of space from the wall, low sensitivity) so you can narrow down speaker selections so you’re not swapping a dozen different brands and instead down to 2-3.
Yeah, I wonder if anyone tried them with er...music?😮
What about doing whatever you want to do with your money and don't tell others what they should do with their money.
Neutral is pretty much the only way to guarantee long term sound that isn't fatiguing.. you won't detect that easily without help
How would one do that? How do you decide what speakers to buy with out some measurement info. Then do you do a trial period in house?
Parts of this video is just off! I'll only adress the simple ones. I own the 1723 Monitors. No high frequency issues in my untreated room. No stability issues on stands because they are extremely heavy (HDF cabinets). They will not fall off stands. People always get hung up on measurements. How about try listening and using you ears. Speakers can measure perfect but don't sound that way. All the other equipment also affects the sound. By the way, prounced like "Arndall"
Bruh. Arendal posts the same measurements on their site. Arendal also hasn’t refuted my review and they have - in fact - asked me to review additional products of theirs. If they thought I was as wrong as you think then they wouldn’t want me reviewing their products.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Problem is, it's all about "measurement". Maybe listening should be where the real truth is. Like I said, all the other gear affects the "sound" as well. This is something reviewers rarely mention, misleading people into thinking there review is the gospel truth. Measurements/numbers do not tell the whole story. When I purchased mine, the numbers meant nothing, my ears told me these were excellent speakers. This is why they are still with me.
Why do you call them THX?
That is what Arendal named them….
@@Iamhungryforribeye no. It is a certification stamp. They called 1723 or 1723 S!
A KEF LS50 meta Home theatre would destroy these.
Stupid response .. depends on your room and listening preference .
I bought LS50s and promptly returned them, didn’t care for them at all.
You are so wrong the ls50 is not in the same league
It seems like this guy doesn’t enjoy home theater at all