Gojifan2014 the "sexual horror" theme of alien was inspired by HR Giger. for instance, how facehuggers have a vagina-like opening, or how xenomorphs heads are elongated
My thoughts: I think the difference between the Trilobite and other creatures shown in Prometheus should be considered "nonstandard", where as the xenomorphs and their alternative forms shown in the Alien films should be considered "standardized". Here's why. The Xenomorphs and their forms, from egg, facehugger, drone/warrior, queen, etc, are all part of an already established species biology that works in predetermined ways, and its outcome can be expected and planned for a long as someone has knowledge of the species' biological aptterns. All creatures in Prometheus on the other hand result from the "Black Goo", a substance meant to mutate other life forms, change them, in order to produce something else, be it mutating the host with direct contact, or making use of a host to produce something else entirely. But since these changes have been different in every instance of their introduction....similar, but still wildly different.....they are "nonstandard" in the since that the Black Goo's usage may always create something random, never really knowing what you're going to get. There are similarities, such as the Trilobite and Facehugger both impregnating a host with a gestating embryo, and the Engineer's embryo having similar physical traits to Xenomorphs. The difference is that, while the Xenomorphs may have come from similar origins, they have settled into patterns as an established species and behave along predictable lines, but creatures immediately resulting from the Black Goo....you just don't know what the result will be. For instance, everyone keeps referring to the Trilobite and its impregnation of the Engineer resulting in the Deacon, "something" that looked like a Xenomorph (but may have been something very different too). But very few people ever talk about Fifield or Dr. Halloway, and the changes they went through after being exposed to the Black Goo, or the vast differences of those changes. Fifield became a monster, seeming like a monstrous zombie, but the deleted scenes of his change showed him looking more like a Xenomorph. Having similar physical traits, yet still different, perhaps even a different species, like the Deacon. Also of note, Fifield was exposed to the Black Goo by direct skin contact (on his face), and possible ingestion through the mouth/nose as it covered his entire face. The Goo melting the helmet of his suit and melded it in with the face, with unknown results between the time of exposure to the time he reappears as a monster (we see the helmet melt into his face, then he dunks his head into the Black Goo, and don't see him again until he's the monster attacking the Prometheus crew. What happened in between? Was he alive and in pain throughout the change, or did he die from injuries of his helmet melting on his face, or drowning by the Black Goo filling his lungs, and his body resurrecting as a monster after death???). Then there's Halloway. His exposure was different, solely based on ingestion, with a much smaller sample, which went to his stomach and not the lungs, and the change may have taken longer. In the video above it sounds like the narrator says or implied that Halloway died from the change. But I believe he was changing and nothing more, experiencing vast amounts of pain from his body going through the process and being concious the whole time (not knocked out or dead like Fifield). This change never completed before Halloway's body was incinerated (and for that matter, maybe Fifield's wasn't finished either), so we don't know what the final result was. Further, Halloway impregnated Shaw during his change, which in turn altered Shaw's reproductive system to create something else. That something was the Trilobite, which in turn would go on to impregnate a host to create yet something else. My point is, the Black Goo and everything made from it, whether directly or indirectly, is a miced bag of tricks and you have no idea what you'll get. Similar traits and features, yeah, sure, but you have no idea how these things will act or function, their patterns are different every time, and the results are not an actual species.....yet. But on the other hand, the Xenomorphs have been around a while, have fallen into established patterns and functions as a species, and you know what you get the moment you see one of their kind. They may have started as something produced by Black Goo exposure, but over time they settled into these patterns that make them "standardized", not random like the Black Goo, not random mutations into freaky monsters, but a species unto itself. And that's the difference.
Arthur Dotson very well argued and is a solid point. This black goo substances seems like a chemical that tries to achieve something close to a xenomorph; but this begs the question why make such a substance ?
Actually, I was trying to say that the Black Goo is more random (at least as far as the theatrical cut of Prometheus is concerned) and could produce something(s) that are "not" a Xenomorph. Things that, if left alone long enough, could fall into entirely different biological patterns that are very different from Xenomorphs and effectively become a different species all together. There may still be similarities, but it would be like how we have different but similar species here on Earth (differences of which vary: tigers of different colors, tigers and lions, or as different as tigers and humans). On the other hand, if going by the deleted scene of Fifield's transformation, where he was intentionally supposed to be like a Xenomorph, that would change the entire theory/explanation I gave here, and the Black Goo would definitely be intended to produce "something" like a Xenomorph. BUT, Ridley Scott didn't want that, wanted to get away from that, so that's not what we got in the movie, and that's not what I am saying here. Opposite, actually.
Who said it had to be war? Sure, that's a "possibility", not the only one, but for some reason people always gravitate to "war" as the reason for making something like Xenomorphs. And very few people ever reference the scene at the beginning of Prometheus where the ancient Engineer sacrifices himself with what may have also been the Black Goo, and what may have created the human race (again, referencing my first post here about the Black Goo being random, not knowing what you're gonna get, and its creations eventually stabilizing into biological patterns as a species). All of this could have been for curiosity, just to see what would happen, especially if the Black Goo produces random results. The Engineers could instead be egomaniacal, having something of a God complex and enjoying the concept that they are the creators of life itself. But, since they are still mortal(-ish), their interests can also change. They created humans, only to not care about that experiment later on, and focus more on ccreating "something" with traits like the Xenomorphs (again, random outcomes by the Black Goo), and a willingness to sacrifice their old experiments for the thing that currently has their interest. Another factor that may back this up is, look at the Engineers at the beginning of Prometheus, how they wear ancient robes as clothes. Then the one at the end, how he "wears" some form of biosuit or bioarmor, or it may actually be part of his body (it blends seamlessly into his neck and arms with no separation). This could show how much the Engineers changed since the creation of humanity. Again, many assume it's armor for war, but what if it is instead a willingness to experiment even further on themselves (remember, an Engineer sacrificed itself in the beginning to create humanity in the first place). If there is a point I want to make here, it's that there is no definitive answer to any of this, there is no definitive information to say anyone's answer is right, BUT, because the information givem is so complex, I can guarantee the answer is not "simple", and is probably not as simple as "war".
This scene was more disturbing for me than most. I was expecting my son at the time I saw this (I'm a woman, obviously), and he'd been still the entire day save the morning when I'd been doing his fetal count kick when he was most active. When did he suddenly think it was good to pretend he was doing the backstroke and do some loop-de-loops? You guessed it. Maybe the scene raised my blood pressure and he became more active, I don't know. He was two weeks shy of full term too so it's not like he was a gentle flutter when he'd move, either. So I had a unique, 4-D experience watching Prometheus most fans didn't get, I suspect.
Judging by her screams of pain, it's very likely it would have popped out of her abdomen. I honestly think, that the Deacon is an ancestor. One of the things Geiger stressed about was that the original Xenomorph's head was based around the human skull. Since the Trilobite was conceived in Shaw, it was technically part human. So when it implanted the egg in the engineer, it became part human, part engineer. Meaning the Xenomorph is a lot more human than we realize.
I doubt that the Deacon is a direct ancestor of the Xenomorph. It just wouldn't make sense. Xenomorphs already existed before Prometheus. Probably just a genetic relative.
Since discovering your channel I've been watching with enthusiasm. This particular theory is one of my favorites in terms of the logic in your thought process. Clearly you are intelligent and well spoken and although aware we are all engaged in a hobby based in a sci-fi horror genre, your intellectual approach and serious demeanor gives your theories some genuine levity. Thanks. This particular trilobite theory rings true for me.
Maybe the alien Decon looked different because it came through two different hosts? Shaw being the first host, then the engineer being the second? The trilobite thing would have human and engineer DNA in it.
Its possible, but I'm inclined to doubt. The meta answer, I'm sure, is that it wasn't given much thought, and was simply thrown in as some fan service to those of us who were hoping for another Alien film. There likely isn't any non-meta answer, as that would have involved more theorizing on the part of the writers and other developers. We'll probably never know exactly what the Deacon is, for that reason. EDIT: However, if one were pressed to come up with a canon, non-meta answer, I would say that the real factor in the Deacon being so similar-but-different from the classic Xenomorph comes back to the film's infamous deus ex machina - the black goo. The Prometheus film establishes that the Engineers have DNA that is nearly identical to humans, so the Engineer isn't likely to play a factor. As well, the Trilobite is born of a human, so that presents no reason as to why it would come out any different than, say, a classic Xenomorph or a Facehugger. The only solution left is that the black goo just created something that is similar, but still somehow different, to the Xenomorph. Its a boring solution, from a boring movie, in a once-great horror universe that has been made boring.
"Wasn't given much thought"? Actually I don't think that is the case at all, the "alien" in the series has shown to be completely mutable when ever it appears, it will never be exactly the same. The dissatisfaction in the Deacon not looking exactly like the ones from say Alien or Aliens is a gripe of the viewer because they decided they didn't like the rest of Prometheus. Whichever convoluted disgusting way it comes about it is persistent in doing so. That's perhaps why the creatures are (or were at least) frighting.
That scene was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen , I actually find the facehugger to be kinda cool but the trilobite really disturbs me .
@@alpachino468 Ha, ha! You're probably right, but take another look at the sides of the facehugger and you'll see a round sack representing testicles on each side. The facehugger is a sexual assault weapon whose only goal is to impregnate you with a xenomorph implant. Doesn't it make sense or should I have my mom take away my computer for a while?
i very much love your diction and tact in your videos! it's seldom that an audience is treated to such a well produced and with such clarity. thank you!
I wonder how different the Deacon is from the xenomorphs. I would guess that its especially deadly because it comes from an engineer, or even hyper intelligent.
How does the Trilobite grow though after being removed from the womb, if it hasn't eaten anything since??? I mean, in order to grow your body, you need to put matter into it...
The xenomorph didn't need to eat to grow once it burst from John Hurts chest in the original... 🤷🏻♂️ It shed it's skin, leaving a husk behind like a caterpillar or beetle... Then once it was grown it began attacking humans. Though as far as eating goes, I'm not sure the xenomorph does that. They have never explicitly stated in the films if the aliens eat people. They kill them for sure, tearing them to shreds in some cases but you never see them feasting on a live human or even their corpses after they kill one... So who knows how they get nourishment.... LoL
Even more senseless is this creatures grow that fast,unless ALIENS where created by PREDATORS to use as training targets, and they need them to grow that fast.
Ladybug 012 its likely that because the decon came from the trilobite that it's a completely different alien but are part of the same evaluationary tree as the xenomorph so the DNA doesn't matter
personally i dont think xenos are a product of the black goo...maybe its connected but not made by the goo...since predators have been hunting xenos wayyy before all this started
They are synthetically Bio-mechanical by definition. Which very much leads to believe that an Androis was a host at some point...I'm gonna say David is our Zeno King
mechanical/organic artificial/natural there really are no true distinctions between these words. matter is matter no matter what it is a part of and it interacts with other matter the same ways consistently regardless
Grand Crusader yeah but heres the odd thing , how/where did it find the biomass to grow that big? I mean you grow because you eat food (biomass) you cant gain mass with nothing Maybe it will last a long while before it dies out...since it can grow that huge with no food at all
It might grow through photosynthesis, absorbing carbon from the air and converting it to fuel like a plant. Or superman. Or if not carbon, then whatever the alien atmosphere had to offer.
TheOriginalDx1 She became a queen, and now she travels endlessly through space. Or the ship is predestined and she will land on the research center she is supposed to be taken to. So a hive on a ship, or a hive on a planet, either way reeks of story potential.
**Alien Theory** you generate some good and well delivered commentary sir. Thank you. I read a Alien book once where some Marines were equipped with suits of lightweight but full body armor that circulated a white fluid. through its structure. The fluid had the capability to render the Aliens acid blood neutral if some splashed on it while the white fluid was coating the armor. It also provided some protection against the Aliens claws, teeth and tail. The Marines used some particularly effective flame weapons that could kill a drone with one short burst but would not cause them to bleed and spray acid. additionaly In close quarters they used no explosive or projectile weapons at all. In the end they were of course overwhelmed by numbers but that equipment brought the individual close to parity with an Alien drone.
I'm subscribed to like 4-5 Alien type channels. And I think I enjoy yours the most. (Mr H Reviews is also quite good) :) Keep up the fantastic work man.
Kinda weird that a trilobite would likely kill its host, and then seek out another host to impregnate before its death. Compared to a facehugger, the end result is almost the same (birth of a xenomorph-type alien), but it must consume twice the resources to get there.
Another great video! You should do a theory on the worms that were infected with the "black goo". They seemed to transform into a pre face-hugger, so I assumed one of them attached itself to the Decon thus creating a traditional xenomorph?
Just a thought - I don't think Shaw was impregnated but rather she was a host for the DNA mutilated sperm which then grew in her womb in the same way as a human embryo would but it did not contain her DNA as she was barren and not capable of ovulation. Any thoughts???
Nice channel! For me "Prometheus" comes down to this: 1.- The engineers where designing either a new stronger species or a bio-weapon with the black goo. 2.- The black goo needed a DNA sample to mix with in order to create the new enhanced version of the sample taken. 3.- The engineers knew that if they used the black goo directly on them it would spawn a stronger uncontrollable specimen. 4.- They decide to create a nerfed downed version of themselves(the opening scene with one of them sacrfificng itself) in order to experiment on the blcak goo, enter humans. 5.- They wait a certain amount of time for the new sub-species to evolve and reproduce to a manageable number for their needs. 6.- On preparations to embark to earth something goes horribly wrong, thus giving humanity the chance to keep evolving by itself. This is where the movie starts and we see the Wayland team embarch to LV-223 to further investigate on our origins, only to realize that we weren't that special after all, but i guess the movie dosen't point out this clear enough and that's why so many people didn't get this movie, this can be explained in the pool table scene when the android David ask Dr. Holloway what they hoped to achive on LV-223 and he say's "was to meet our makers, get answers why they even made us in the first place" which David ask's "Why do you think your people made me?" "We made you cause we could." a simple answer to a simple question, no "space jesus" theory, we where just anothe step in their investigation to something else. I guess David kinda knew this or at least suspected something and that's why he smugled the black goo on board and later intentionally contaminated Dr. Holloway's drink, we then see how the goo can "change" the species it comes in contact with by two means: Genetically by infecting Dr. Holloway's drink and later "super" impregnating Dr. Shaw(the trilobite) and two the direct fluid contact with the black goo, Fifield(crab zombie). Maybe the engineers where aiming at the trilobite to further their research in the xenomorph, you can see in the black goo chamber that they have a xenomorph statue which hints that that's whas their main goal, going from black goo to a sub-engineer(human) experiment until they achived the xenomorph trough trial an error with the humans, but since this story takes place way before the 1979 alien movie we aren't treated rigt away to the xenomorph we all know and i guess that's what dissapointed so many moviegoers and gave so low ratings to this movie.
It was very interesting and exciting watching the plight of the Deacon with the facehugger. I would like to have seen more of the Deacon's struggle and to watch it in slow motion.
I think there's lots of different combinations of things that can happen but obviously with the murals showing deacons not Xenomorphs it's obvious that they have not ran into the Xenomorphs but only the deacons. I think the Xenomorphs come from the humans
I have a question: Once the Face-Hugger is "born" how much time does it have to find a host before it dies? Or can it eat or sustain itself in some other way until a host becomes available? If it can eat then what does it consume? Since most animals can be impregnated would it live off vegetable matter or could it somehow use it's acid to melt objects down for consumption much like a fly?
How exactly is the relationship symbiotic as opposed to parasitic? I see no benefit to the host through out any portion prior to bursting of the chest?
My theory is that the Deacon has no relation directly to the Xenomorph. I think the engineers were studying the Xenomorph and adapted its genetic characteristics into the black liquid David finds. So maybe In that way, it would explain the similarities between the Trilobite and the Facehugger and the Deacon and the Xenomorph. I think Covenant is going to explain that the Deacon has nothing to do with the eventual evolution of the Xenomorph. Great video, btw. I'd happily support any Patreon you would set up to see more material like this.
A question that has been on my mind for a while. Would the trilobite have identical or similar capabilities as a facehugger? like acid blood, or when someone attempts to remove it from the host, it tightens its grasp to the host.
Great analysis! I always wondered why the trilobite grew so large. You've probably been asked this many times, but will you be doing a vid about the original Alien: Engineers script?
Hey there! I subed today... and watched almost all your videos. And I wanna say that you are great at doing those videos. I have a question in my mind that I need to answer: What happend at the end of AvP 2 or after the movie. Do you think you can help me by telling me some info or doing a video about it?
Topic suggestion: Seemingly the original idea for the Alien was it was a terrifying consequence of evolution on some sort of survival of the fittest planet, but Prometheus changed this so that the Aliens are nothing more than a product of bio-weapon engineering from a different alien race. I'd like to know your thoughts on this topic.
the trilobite was a nod to the very first original ALIEN script where the face hugger was described as being 7 feet tall and would envelop it's human host's entire body instead of just the face. it was changed later for budget reasons I think. Now if we're going to try to explain it in canon you can easily see its a protofacehugger. The engineers were all about 'evolution', their bioweapons were made to evolve and the trilobite was only one of the stages towards the perfect simplified xenomorph species. Same with the protoxenomorph chestburster we see at the end. If we could see the protoxeno continue on it's life cycle it would almost certainly continue evolving into the Xenomorph we all know n love..
I just came up with a theory: The Predators met the Engineers and Predators asked the Engineers to come up with a way to create or clone xenomorphs for their hunting game and the trilobite was a result of experiments done by the Engineers.
AT, can you do a video about the humanoid drone-servants that were originally supposed to be in the Aliens movie but were removed? These were supposedly going to be responsible for transporting colonists back to the main hive, and act as primitive troopers etc. I think they appeared in some of the Aliens comics also.
the trilobite and the decon are just pure freak evolution of the organism that was in the vase and it seemed that what ever it touched it started a crazy line of destructive evolution, from when it infected the worms to when it infected the humans were totally different. the odds of there ever being another trilobite or decon are very low and one of a kind sense it relied on to many coincidence to happen. but it would be interesting to see what the organism would become on earth where there are thousands of different host that it could link with and become very different evolutions, like even a little ant could evolve to something scary.
so is it like the precursor to the facehugger or a mutation of the headpede? also wouls\d the deacon be precursor to the neomorph or would it just be what happens when an engineer has a trilobite and or facehugger impregnate it?
Have you ever been to a med lab before? Where scientists keep multiple strains of bacteria for research? Maybe such thing is similar, the black goo and the Xenomorph eggs are like different strains of disease, bred maybe from the same source (hence the human host bursting, impregnating a host and then dying) and then led in different directions. To say like the Deakon is a distant relative of the Xenos, i think will be suitable for situation as this.
Something important: according to the script Holloway wasn't disintegrating, he was TRANSFORMING like Fifield, only slower because of the amount of black goo involved.
I came up with a theory that the trilobite may have knowledge of what it's impregnating, as it only attacked the Engineer probably knowing it would make a stronger host. Or another theory is that the trilobite knew Shaw was it's mother so it attacked the Engineer instead of Shaw herself.
I have a suggestion for a video topic--the idea of Xenomorph telepathy serving as a "siren song" that causes the humans in the series to do increasingly stupid things in order to procure the aliens. It's a facet of Mark Verheiden's comics (particularly Female War) that I think should play a bigger and more official part in Aliens materials. It might even be a property of the black goo from Prometheus, which would explain some of Fifield's behavior.
Please make a Bill Paxton tribute... Did you make a John Hurt one? Two pivotal actors in the Alien universe. I know your channel focuses more on the ideas behind the creatures, etc, but a tip of the hat would be nice. Great channel though!
Hmmm, I was wondering what they called this particular species/parasite. I could only imagine this would be another break away alien hybrid type after gestating inside the human host.
After Shaw and David crash landed on the planet, David secretly contacted Wayland Yutani to update them on the status of the Prometheus expedition and the discovery of the black goo; he also requested supplies (mainly lab equipment) and a new body. He then killed Shaw or held her captive and experimented on her female anatomy (her infertile female eggs) with the black goo and eventually created the face hugger eggs. David discovers from archived data on the engineer ship that the engineers' black goo was originally designed to mutate life forms into hostile creatures which attack and infect other life forms with black goo; this is what happened to Fifield and the worms in Prometheus. However, use of the black goo had some unintended consequences; instead of just destroying life, it sometimes created a new powerful highly adaptive species called the "morph" (alien with elongated skull). The morph is created from reproductive cells such as plant spores, human eggs/embryos, etc. that have been mutated by the black goo into a parasite (face hugger, trilobite, etc.) which can impregnate a host with a morph alien embryo. The morph gestates inside its host until mature enough to leave which results in a violent death for the host. Apparently, the engineers have encountered these morphs in the past when they used the black goo to eliminate life on planets. The engineers revered, respected, and feared this powerful alien species, which unlike other life forms created by the black goo, has the power to procreate, hence the reason for the mural depicting what looked like a xenomorph and face hugger in the room where the black goo was stored in at the engineer's installation on LV-223. The engineers sought to learn how these morphs are created and discovered that face hugger eggs are created when the black goo mutates the eggs of humanoid creatures (such as humans) which the engineers are responsible for creating (see beginning of Prometheus). David discovered this knowledge from archived data stored on the engineer ship that he and Shaw used to escape from LV-223 and then used that information to experiment on Shaw's eggs and create face hugger eggs. After creating the eggs, he then communicated with Weyland Yutani again, requesting additional human subjects (mainly women) to experiment on. So, Weyland Yutani sends the Covenant and its human crew, which consists of male/female couples, to his location. When the Covenant crew arrive at David's location, they immediately come into contact with mutated spores that turn some of them into a neomorph alien which is a morph created from human and plant DNA. Apparently, David had been experimenting on the local ecosystem by contaminating it with the black goo. David eventually reveals himself to the crew and helps them destroy the neomorphs. After earning the crew's trust, David convinces some of the crew to follow him to the engineer ship where he keeps the face hugger eggs. The captain is attacked by a face hugger which leads to the creation of the protomorph alien which is created from only human DNA; the protomorph is far more formidable than the neomorphs, but not as powerful as the classic xenomorph from the films. While the crew is dealing with the new protomorph alien, David continues to experiment and lures the Covenant's android, Walter to another face hugger egg. A face hugger impregnates Walter with an alien which leads to the creation of the classic biomechanical xenomorph (queen) which is the most powerful form of the species created to date. The xenomorph alien is created from synthetic android DNA and human DNA (from Shaw). The queen alien begins laying new face hugger eggs which delights David, as he is able to create a new life form IN HIS IMAGE capable of procreation. The crew eventually dispatches the protomorph alien and then attempt to flee the planet. However, the engineers return and kill David, the xenomorphs, and all of the remaining Covenant crew. They then destroy the ecosystem David created and take all of the xenomorph eggs with them. However, one of the eggs hatches and attacks the engineer pilot (space jockey) who is eventually killed by a chestburster which causes the ship (derelict) to crash land on LV-426 where Ripley and the crew of the Nostromo eventually discover it. Before dying, the engineers on the ship activate a beacon warning other engineers to stay away, as the powerful xenomorph species on the ship is much too dangerous to come into contact with. It is revealed in the end that not all of David's ecosystem and all of the xenomorph eggs had been destroyed, and that is where Alien 5 will take place, as Weyland Yutani has set up their own bio weapons research facility on the planet in order to "harvest" the xenomorph eggs and experiment on them in order to create even more terrifying creations.
I think a Trilobite infected human would produce an alien unlike any we've ever seen before. The Trilobite was a wonderfully grotesque creature, Ridley has me on board as he continues to mine Giger's art and expand upon it. Prometheus is marvelously horrific. The autodoc scene alone is worth the price of admission.
I think that the Trilobite was carrying a different type of embryo, but also that it’s offspring would have performed the same way as a Facehugger embryo in that it would take on the genetic traits of its host. So what we have here is two evolutionary trails. Your mileage may vary.
from alien 1, chestbursters have a longer gestation, and the host is seemingly normal. so what if the host (male) mates with a female, could she be impregnated with a trilobite? or is this strictly "black goo" stuff?
Agreed. She should have been completely immobilized after such a highly invasive surgical procedure. My wife was barely able to walk around her bed six hours after her C-Section, much less anything else, and she was in nowhere near as dire straits as Shaw, who just had an alien embryonic sack rupture and drain back into her belly...
@@ab5olut3zero95 Well case studies shown that a human body can overcome pain in extreme fight or flight situations. Considering the surgery was a success and the thing nearly burst out of here. It is safe to assume she was on full adrenaline mode. Hell a pregnant woman in Russia managed to climb a 3rd story building to avoid getting mauled by a wild angry bare charging at her - and she was 8 & a half months into pregnancy. All thanks to adrenaline. So its not that far fetched.
I have a theory, in alien 1, ash describes that the facehugger as "shedding his cells and replacing them with polarised silicone" if the aliens are replacing their anatomy with an inorganic material it would explain why this facehugger was so soft. It was incredibly young by comparison to a facehugger that matures over a period in an egg growing more rigid and armoured over time.
What if a facehugger inpreggnanted a engineer? What could it possibly look like? I know that engineers are similar if not exact to humans but what would it look like? Taller, bigger, more agressive, different color, different variant, etc. Would it be smarter?
Here are some questions I brainstormed which you may or may not have covered. #1. In the movie Prometheus it is demonstrated that we have the technology to remove a Xenomorph before it burst out of a victim. Why didn't the engineers have this technology as well? Clearly the engineers are supposed to be more technologically advanced than humans so why is it that the space jockey in the original alien movie and this space jockey engineer couldn't have done something to get the xeno morph out of its body before being killed? #2. Why did the engineer die before the trilobite Xenmorph Deacon burst out of its body? The trilobite would not have wanted to kill the engineer simply because it wanted the body as a host. I have to assume that if the engineers worked with Xenomorphs long enough they would have come up with ways to either terminate pregnancies or to remove an embryo from their bodies. It would be like working with nerve gas and not having an antidote.
I thought that each alien is different depending on whatever host it had like in alien 3 with the dog right?!... or alien v predator with the predator alien merge.
I wonder, if Shaw had given birth vaginally, would the resulting trilobite have more of a symbotic relationship to her? As I see it, she gave birth via c-section in the surgical pod, meaning it was premature. There was nothing I saw, that indicated it was hurting her in any way, and its gestation (having an amniotic sac and an umbilical cord) would suggest a mother-baby like bond.
I have a question more than a topic for a vid, but what other weapons were on the colonial Marines ship in Aliens? You can see some kind of bullpup style rifles. thx for reading this if you did.
Here's a video topic if there's enough information on it: Could WY be actually large enough to subcontract the military forces of whatever standing government there is in the Aliens universe or are the Colonial Marines an actual military branch made to pacify potentially hostile colonial worlds or maybe a PMC of some sort. Either of the latter two would have a hand in explaining their relatively lax approach to handling LV-426, generally laid back attitude, and generally poor handling of the various xenomorph threats across the books, comics, games and movies. Also, is WY the only mega corporation in the universe or just the one we hear the most about? I think I remember something being said in Alien Isolation about another but I could be mistaken. Either way, if anyone could provide the answer to either question that would help clear the air related to some details that always bugged me about the franchise.
This answer the "Do Xenomorphs Eat?" video, that they do not need to. the Trilobite is obviously able to generate large amounts of matter in a short amount of time, thought it is much softer than a xenomorph or face hugger.
Hey Alien Theory, great vids! so here's something that I don't think has been explored yet. What was Ash doing to Ripley with the magazine in Alien?! I know he was all messed up an all, but what was he doing?!
Ah mister cuddles, truly the best thing about prometheus.
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arwing20 I've seen enough hentai to know why mr.cuddles was added to prometheus
mlgmichealrosen z Well, rape was one of the original themes of the Alien franchise.
Gojifan2014 yeah
Gojifan2014 the "sexual horror" theme of alien was inspired by HR Giger. for instance, how facehuggers have a vagina-like opening, or how xenomorphs heads are elongated
Glad we didn't see it naturally born.
I'm not.
O_o
sticky170 So you must like purple tentacles too, huh?
xD
I read a re-write where Shaw goes into the surgery, but as soon as she cuts her stomach open, it goes "fuck this" and heads for her birth canal.
My thoughts: I think the difference between the Trilobite and other creatures shown in Prometheus should be considered "nonstandard", where as the xenomorphs and their alternative forms shown in the Alien films should be considered "standardized". Here's why. The Xenomorphs and their forms, from egg, facehugger, drone/warrior, queen, etc, are all part of an already established species biology that works in predetermined ways, and its outcome can be expected and planned for a long as someone has knowledge of the species' biological aptterns. All creatures in Prometheus on the other hand result from the "Black Goo", a substance meant to mutate other life forms, change them, in order to produce something else, be it mutating the host with direct contact, or making use of a host to produce something else entirely. But since these changes have been different in every instance of their introduction....similar, but still wildly different.....they are "nonstandard" in the since that the Black Goo's usage may always create something random, never really knowing what you're going to get. There are similarities, such as the Trilobite and Facehugger both impregnating a host with a gestating embryo, and the Engineer's embryo having similar physical traits to Xenomorphs. The difference is that, while the Xenomorphs may have come from similar origins, they have settled into patterns as an established species and behave along predictable lines, but creatures immediately resulting from the Black Goo....you just don't know what the result will be.
For instance, everyone keeps referring to the Trilobite and its impregnation of the Engineer resulting in the Deacon, "something" that looked like a Xenomorph (but may have been something very different too). But very few people ever talk about Fifield or Dr. Halloway, and the changes they went through after being exposed to the Black Goo, or the vast differences of those changes. Fifield became a monster, seeming like a monstrous zombie, but the deleted scenes of his change showed him looking more like a Xenomorph. Having similar physical traits, yet still different, perhaps even a different species, like the Deacon. Also of note, Fifield was exposed to the Black Goo by direct skin contact (on his face), and possible ingestion through the mouth/nose as it covered his entire face. The Goo melting the helmet of his suit and melded it in with the face, with unknown results between the time of exposure to the time he reappears as a monster (we see the helmet melt into his face, then he dunks his head into the Black Goo, and don't see him again until he's the monster attacking the Prometheus crew. What happened in between? Was he alive and in pain throughout the change, or did he die from injuries of his helmet melting on his face, or drowning by the Black Goo filling his lungs, and his body resurrecting as a monster after death???).
Then there's Halloway. His exposure was different, solely based on ingestion, with a much smaller sample, which went to his stomach and not the lungs, and the change may have taken longer. In the video above it sounds like the narrator says or implied that Halloway died from the change. But I believe he was changing and nothing more, experiencing vast amounts of pain from his body going through the process and being concious the whole time (not knocked out or dead like Fifield). This change never completed before Halloway's body was incinerated (and for that matter, maybe Fifield's wasn't finished either), so we don't know what the final result was. Further, Halloway impregnated Shaw during his change, which in turn altered Shaw's reproductive system to create something else. That something was the Trilobite, which in turn would go on to impregnate a host to create yet something else.
My point is, the Black Goo and everything made from it, whether directly or indirectly, is a miced bag of tricks and you have no idea what you'll get. Similar traits and features, yeah, sure, but you have no idea how these things will act or function, their patterns are different every time, and the results are not an actual species.....yet. But on the other hand, the Xenomorphs have been around a while, have fallen into established patterns and functions as a species, and you know what you get the moment you see one of their kind. They may have started as something produced by Black Goo exposure, but over time they settled into these patterns that make them "standardized", not random like the Black Goo, not random mutations into freaky monsters, but a species unto itself.
And that's the difference.
Arthur Dotson very well argued and is a solid point. This black goo substances seems like a chemical that tries to achieve something close to a xenomorph; but this begs the question why make such a substance ?
Actually, I was trying to say that the Black Goo is more random (at least as far as the theatrical cut of Prometheus is concerned) and could produce something(s) that are "not" a Xenomorph. Things that, if left alone long enough, could fall into entirely different biological patterns that are very different from Xenomorphs and effectively become a different species all together. There may still be similarities, but it would be like how we have different but similar species here on Earth (differences of which vary: tigers of different colors, tigers and lions, or as different as tigers and humans).
On the other hand, if going by the deleted scene of Fifield's transformation, where he was intentionally supposed to be like a Xenomorph, that would change the entire theory/explanation I gave here, and the Black Goo would definitely be intended to produce "something" like a Xenomorph. BUT, Ridley Scott didn't want that, wanted to get away from that, so that's not what we got in the movie, and that's not what I am saying here. Opposite, actually.
Shits and giggles or more likely... War which begs the question. what kind of species were they fighting that needed such bio tech to work on?
Well thought. I must agree with you
Who said it had to be war? Sure, that's a "possibility", not the only one, but for some reason people always gravitate to "war" as the reason for making something like Xenomorphs. And very few people ever
reference the scene at the beginning of Prometheus where the ancient Engineer sacrifices himself with what may have also been the Black Goo, and what may have created the human race (again, referencing my first post here about the Black Goo being random, not knowing what you're gonna get, and its creations eventually stabilizing into biological patterns as a species). All of this could have been for curiosity, just to see what would happen, especially if the Black Goo produces random results. The Engineers could instead be egomaniacal, having something of a God complex and enjoying the concept that they are the creators of life itself. But, since they are still mortal(-ish), their interests can also change. They created humans, only to not care about that experiment later on, and focus more on ccreating "something" with traits like the Xenomorphs (again, random outcomes by the Black Goo), and a willingness to sacrifice their old experiments for the thing that currently has their interest. Another factor that may back this up is, look at the Engineers at the beginning of Prometheus, how they wear ancient robes as clothes. Then the one at the end, how he "wears" some form of biosuit or bioarmor, or it may actually be part of his body (it blends seamlessly into his neck and arms with no separation). This could show how much the Engineers changed since the creation of humanity. Again, many assume it's armor for war, but what if it is instead a willingness to experiment even further on themselves (remember, an Engineer sacrificed itself in the beginning to create humanity in the first place). If there is a point I want to make here, it's that there is no definitive answer to any of this, there is no definitive information to say anyone's answer is right, BUT, because the information givem is so complex, I can guarantee the answer is not "simple", and is probably not as simple as "war".
This scene was more disturbing for me than most. I was expecting my son at the time I saw this (I'm a woman, obviously), and he'd been still the entire day save the morning when I'd been doing his fetal count kick when he was most active. When did he suddenly think it was good to pretend he was doing the backstroke and do some loop-de-loops? You guessed it. Maybe the scene raised my blood pressure and he became more active, I don't know. He was two weeks shy of full term too so it's not like he was a gentle flutter when he'd move, either. So I had a unique, 4-D experience watching Prometheus most fans didn't get, I suspect.
Judging by her screams of pain, it's very likely it would have popped out of her abdomen.
I honestly think, that the Deacon is an ancestor. One of the things Geiger stressed about was that the original Xenomorph's head was based around the human skull. Since the Trilobite was conceived in Shaw, it was technically part human. So when it implanted the egg in the engineer, it became part human, part engineer. Meaning the Xenomorph is a lot more human than we realize.
I doubt that the Deacon is a direct ancestor of the Xenomorph. It just wouldn't make sense. Xenomorphs already existed before Prometheus. Probably just a genetic relative.
Since discovering your channel I've been watching with enthusiasm. This particular theory is one of my favorites in terms of the logic in your thought process. Clearly you are intelligent and well spoken and although aware we are all engaged in a hobby based in a sci-fi horror genre, your intellectual approach and serious demeanor gives your theories some genuine levity. Thanks. This particular trilobite theory rings true for me.
Maybe the alien Decon looked different because it came through two different hosts? Shaw being the first host, then the engineer being the second? The trilobite thing would have human and engineer DNA in it.
Ellessandra Ramsay what?...
Its possible, but I'm inclined to doubt. The meta answer, I'm sure, is that it wasn't given much thought, and was simply thrown in as some fan service to those of us who were hoping for another Alien film. There likely isn't any non-meta answer, as that would have involved more theorizing on the part of the writers and other developers. We'll probably never know exactly what the Deacon is, for that reason.
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However, if one were pressed to come up with a canon, non-meta answer, I would say that the real factor in the Deacon being so similar-but-different from the classic Xenomorph comes back to the film's infamous deus ex machina - the black goo. The Prometheus film establishes that the Engineers have DNA that is nearly identical to humans, so the Engineer isn't likely to play a factor. As well, the Trilobite is born of a human, so that presents no reason as to why it would come out any different than, say, a classic Xenomorph or a Facehugger. The only solution left is that the black goo just created something that is similar, but still somehow different, to the Xenomorph. Its a boring solution, from a boring movie, in a once-great horror universe that has been made boring.
Kalvin Wike Bingo...
Ooooh....I like this! Ellessandra Ramsay, nice theory!
"Wasn't given much thought"? Actually I don't think that is the case at all, the "alien" in the series has shown to be completely mutable when ever it appears, it will never be exactly the same. The dissatisfaction in the Deacon not looking exactly like the ones from say Alien or Aliens is a gripe of the viewer because they decided they didn't like the rest of Prometheus. Whichever convoluted disgusting way it comes about it is persistent in doing so. That's perhaps why the creatures are (or were at least) frighting.
That scene was one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen , I actually find the facehugger to be kinda cool but the trilobite really disturbs me .
Look at the Facehugger closely. It has testicles.
@@stevepd1Yeah, I think that's enough internet for you today
@@alpachino468 Ha, ha! You're probably right, but take another look at the sides of the facehugger and you'll see a round sack representing testicles on each side. The facehugger is a sexual assault weapon whose only goal is to impregnate you with a xenomorph implant. Doesn't it make sense or should I have my mom take away my computer for a while?
@@stevepd1 Haha, I thought those were to feed oxygen to the unconscious host - I don't think testicles are supposed to do that? 😅
@@alpachino468 mine do.
I've been looking forward to the trilobite being explained finally.
i very much love your diction and tact in your videos! it's seldom that an audience is treated to such a well produced and with such clarity. thank you!
RIP Bill Paxton.
The Last Arbiter He spelled Durden wrong lol. I'll bet he can't even make napalm.
Tyler Durdan lol
I wonder how different the Deacon is from the xenomorphs. I would guess that its especially deadly because it comes from an engineer, or even hyper intelligent.
Gavin McCree I think it might be far more intelligent , and then if it grows any bigger after wandering for a bit it may become more powerful
I really don't think that's how it works. No alien offspring is shown to inherit their parent's traits like that
I think it was commented somewhere that the Deacon later became a living mountain
khaimk4r4su in some predator comics the predators visit lv223 and the deacon has became a mountain
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Tyler Durdan Dude shut the fuck up with that
How does the Trilobite grow though after being removed from the womb, if it hasn't eaten anything since??? I mean, in order to grow your body, you need to put matter into it...
😪l just kill the queen n put an end to the whole species problem..
The xenomorph didn't need to eat to grow once it burst from John Hurts chest in the original... 🤷🏻♂️ It shed it's skin, leaving a husk behind like a caterpillar or beetle... Then once it was grown it began attacking humans. Though as far as eating goes, I'm not sure the xenomorph does that. They have never explicitly stated in the films if the aliens eat people. They kill them for sure, tearing them to shreds in some cases but you never see them feasting on a live human or even their corpses after they kill one... So who knows how they get nourishment.... LoL
@@dominickscalpi5686 Check again there is one of ALIEN movies where a xenomorph is feeding from a dead body
Even more senseless is this creatures grow that fast,unless ALIENS where created by PREDATORS to use as training targets, and they need them to grow that fast.
It probably ate whatever meds were in the med lab.
I think the Decon shears DNA with the Engineer like the other Xenos did. I think this is a very primitive creation of them.
Ladybug 012 its likely that because the decon came from the trilobite that it's a completely different alien but are part of the same evaluationary tree as the xenomorph so the DNA doesn't matter
personally i dont think xenos are a product of the black goo...maybe its connected but not made by the goo...since predators have been hunting xenos wayyy before all this started
They are synthetically Bio-mechanical by definition. Which very much leads to believe that an Androis was a host at some point...I'm gonna say David is our Zeno King
mechanical/organic artificial/natural there really are no true distinctions between these words. matter is matter no matter what it is a part of and it interacts with other matter the same ways consistently regardless
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Here is a odd topic if the trilobite didn't find a host would it kept on growing even larger and if so what traits would it develop.
Richard Payne why did the trilobite continue growing after being aborted anyway ?? This creature confuses me so much
It was c section and it wasn't a human child.
Grand Crusader yeah but heres the odd thing , how/where did it find the biomass to grow that big?
I mean you grow because you eat food (biomass) you cant gain mass with nothing
Maybe it will last a long while before it dies out...since it can grow that huge with no food at all
It might grow through photosynthesis, absorbing carbon from the air and converting it to fuel like a plant. Or superman.
Or if not carbon, then whatever the alien atmosphere had to offer.
Maybe its biomass is 'archived' during gestation and then unpacked at 'birth'. Probably not but I like the idea of it anyway.
Can you do a video on what happened to specimen 6 after the events of aliens vs predator the game?
TheOriginalDx1
She became a queen, and now she travels endlessly through space. Or the ship is predestined and she will land on the research center she is supposed to be taken to. So a hive on a ship, or a hive on a planet, either way reeks of story potential.
I knew about the queen part but thanks for clearing the rest up. Also i agree about the potential, would love to see a comic covering her story.
Oh she went into a time loop and is the same Alien Queen as in Alien. Or least that's what I think.
The Major
There was never a queen in alien. Do you mean the sequel?
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Thanks you for making this video. I've been waiting for a video on the trilobite. Love your videos Alien
make an alien theory or explained video on weland
I would love to see the Trilobite/Deacon explored more at some point
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I read a Alien book once where some Marines were equipped with suits of lightweight but full body armor that circulated a white fluid. through its structure. The fluid had the capability to render the Aliens acid blood neutral if some splashed on it while the white fluid was coating the armor. It also provided some protection against the Aliens claws, teeth and tail. The Marines used some particularly effective flame weapons that could kill a drone with one short burst but would not cause them to bleed and spray acid. additionaly In close quarters they used no explosive or projectile weapons at all.
In the end they were of course overwhelmed by numbers but that equipment brought the individual close to parity with an Alien drone.
I'm subscribed to like 4-5 Alien type channels. And I think I enjoy yours the most. (Mr H Reviews is also quite good) :) Keep up the fantastic work man.
This is a great video. Very well explained and laid out. 10/10
late to the party bro, but, great video. as per, clearly spent a long time on this
Kinda weird that a trilobite would likely kill its host, and then seek out another host to impregnate before its death. Compared to a facehugger, the end result is almost the same (birth of a xenomorph-type alien), but it must consume twice the resources to get there.
Another great video! You should do a theory on the worms that were infected with the "black goo". They seemed to transform into a pre face-hugger, so I assumed one of them attached itself to the Decon thus creating a traditional xenomorph?
The self surgery scene is one of the most intense moments in cinema.
Just a thought - I don't think Shaw was impregnated but rather she was a host for the DNA mutilated sperm which then grew in her womb in the same way as a human embryo would but it did not contain her DNA as she was barren and not capable of ovulation. Any thoughts???
Steven Nodlehs agreed
Thank you for all your videos on Alien! Very nice explanations and everything, using videos and excerpts. :)
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How about a video on Hadley's Hope? The history/purpose/specs of the facility. Thanks for all the rad videos and all the research!
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The alien family tree is so crazy! I love it!
Thank u again man ! Because I have always wondered, and been confused about the Trilobite. So with this info I got some more knowledge.
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For me "Prometheus" comes down to this:
1.- The engineers where designing either a new stronger species or a bio-weapon with the black goo.
2.- The black goo needed a DNA sample to mix with in order to create the new enhanced version of the sample taken.
3.- The engineers knew that if they used the black goo directly on them it would spawn a stronger uncontrollable specimen.
4.- They decide to create a nerfed downed version of themselves(the opening scene with one of them sacrfificng itself) in order to experiment on the blcak goo, enter humans.
5.- They wait a certain amount of time for the new sub-species to evolve and reproduce to a manageable number for their needs.
6.- On preparations to embark to earth something goes horribly wrong, thus giving humanity the chance to keep evolving by itself.
This is where the movie starts and we see the Wayland team embarch to LV-223 to further investigate on our origins, only to realize that we weren't that special after all, but i guess the movie dosen't point out this clear enough and that's why so many people didn't get this movie, this can be explained in the pool table scene when the android David ask Dr. Holloway what they hoped to achive on LV-223 and he say's "was to meet our makers, get answers why they even made us in the first place" which David ask's "Why do you think your people made me?" "We made you cause we could." a simple answer to a simple question, no "space jesus" theory, we where just anothe step in their investigation to something else.
I guess David kinda knew this or at least suspected something and that's why he smugled the black goo on board and later intentionally contaminated Dr. Holloway's drink, we then see how the goo can "change" the species it comes in contact with by two means:
Genetically by infecting Dr. Holloway's drink and later "super" impregnating Dr. Shaw(the trilobite) and two the direct fluid contact with the black goo, Fifield(crab zombie).
Maybe the engineers where aiming at the trilobite to further their research in the xenomorph, you can see in the black goo chamber that they have a xenomorph statue which hints that that's whas their main goal, going from black goo to a sub-engineer(human) experiment until they achived the xenomorph trough trial an error with the humans, but since this story takes place way before the 1979 alien movie we aren't treated rigt away to the xenomorph we all know and i guess that's what dissapointed so many moviegoers and gave so low ratings to this movie.
Interesting analysis. When I watched Prometheus for the first time, I noticed that the life cycle of a Xenomorph had been indirectly simulated.
It was very interesting and exciting watching the plight of the Deacon with the facehugger. I would like to have seen more of the Deacon's struggle and to watch it in slow motion.
That scene was fucking disgusting ugh
literalcringe ya it was
I know, a gross creature combined with trapped claustrophobia! Yuck! If it had acid in that sac it would have been an even nastier horror show!
literalcringe there's no better way to put it!!! it was like a rape or something
Margarette Nguyen if i remember correctly it was either the original Alien's growth process or Geiger's art that was compared to rape
Nice Meme there's so much sexual imagery in the alien universe
you're one of the only people I know that's touch base on this particular thing.
I think there's lots of different combinations of things that can happen but obviously with the murals showing deacons not Xenomorphs it's obvious that they have not ran into the Xenomorphs but only the deacons. I think the Xenomorphs come from the humans
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I have a question: Once the Face-Hugger is "born" how much time does it have to find a host before it dies? Or can it eat or sustain itself in some other way until a host becomes available? If it can eat then what does it consume? Since most animals can be impregnated would it live off vegetable matter or could it somehow use it's acid to melt objects down for consumption much like a fly?
How exactly is the relationship symbiotic as opposed to parasitic? I see no benefit to the host through out any portion prior to bursting of the chest?
I think you are best served by the old saying : "You are what you consume."
My theory is that the Deacon has no relation directly to the Xenomorph. I think the engineers were studying the Xenomorph and adapted its genetic characteristics into the black liquid David finds. So maybe In that way, it would explain the similarities between the Trilobite and the Facehugger and the Deacon and the Xenomorph. I think Covenant is going to explain that the Deacon has nothing to do with the eventual evolution of the Xenomorph. Great video, btw. I'd happily support any Patreon you would set up to see more material like this.
A question that has been on my mind for a while. Would the trilobite have identical or similar capabilities as a facehugger? like acid blood, or when someone attempts to remove it from the host, it tightens its grasp to the host.
Great analysis! I always wondered why the trilobite grew so large. You've probably been asked this many times, but will you be doing a vid about the original Alien: Engineers script?
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Topic suggestion: Seemingly the original idea for the Alien was it was a terrifying consequence of evolution on some sort of survival of the fittest planet, but Prometheus changed this so that the Aliens are nothing more than a product of bio-weapon engineering from a different alien race. I'd like to know your thoughts on this topic.
I've always been curious could a facehugger attach itself to a synthetic? and would that even work?
the trilobite was a nod to the very first original ALIEN script where the face hugger was described as being 7 feet tall and would envelop it's human host's entire body instead of just the face. it was changed later for budget reasons I think.
Now if we're going to try to explain it in canon you can easily see its a protofacehugger. The engineers were all about 'evolution', their bioweapons were made to evolve and the trilobite was only one of the stages towards the perfect simplified xenomorph species. Same with the protoxenomorph chestburster we see at the end. If we could see the protoxeno continue on it's life cycle it would almost certainly continue evolving into the Xenomorph we all know n love..
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I just came up with a theory:
The Predators met the Engineers and Predators asked the Engineers to come up with a way to create or clone xenomorphs for their hunting game and the trilobite was a result of experiments done by the Engineers.
Explain the deacon in the net video , would like to see that :D
Alien Theory could you make a video explaining the crusher, Raven or possibly the king or rouge xenomorph?
AT, can you do a video about the humanoid drone-servants that were originally supposed to be in the Aliens movie but were removed?
These were supposedly going to be responsible for transporting colonists back to the main hive, and act as primitive troopers etc. I think they appeared in some of the Aliens comics also.
the trilobite and the decon are just pure freak evolution of the organism that was in the vase and it seemed that what ever it touched it started a crazy line of destructive evolution, from when it infected the worms to when it infected the humans were totally different. the odds of there ever being another trilobite or decon are very low and one of a kind sense it relied on to many coincidence to happen. but it would be interesting to see what the organism would become on earth where there are thousands of different host that it could link with and become very different evolutions, like even a little ant could evolve to something scary.
so is it like the precursor to the facehugger or a mutation of the headpede? also wouls\d the deacon be precursor to the neomorph or would it just be what happens when an engineer has a trilobite and or facehugger impregnate it?
Wouldn't there still be some kind of placenta attached to the umbilical cord? I didn't see that taken out of her.
Have you ever been to a med lab before? Where scientists keep multiple strains of bacteria for research? Maybe such thing is similar, the black goo and the Xenomorph eggs are like different strains of disease, bred maybe from the same source (hence the human host bursting, impregnating a host and then dying) and then led in different directions. To say like the Deakon is a distant relative of the Xenos, i think will be suitable for situation as this.
Something important: according to the script Holloway wasn't disintegrating, he was TRANSFORMING like Fifield, only slower because of the amount of black goo involved.
I came up with a theory that the trilobite may have knowledge of what it's impregnating, as it only attacked the Engineer probably knowing it would make a stronger host. Or another theory is that the trilobite knew Shaw was it's mother so it attacked the Engineer instead of Shaw herself.
Can you do the Hammerpede next?
I have a suggestion for a video topic--the idea of Xenomorph telepathy serving as a "siren song" that causes the humans in the series to do increasingly stupid things in order to procure the aliens. It's a facet of Mark Verheiden's comics (particularly Female War) that I think should play a bigger and more official part in Aliens materials. It might even be a property of the black goo from Prometheus, which would explain some of Fifield's behavior.
Please make a Bill Paxton tribute... Did you make a John Hurt one? Two pivotal actors in the Alien universe. I know your channel focuses more on the ideas behind the creatures, etc, but a tip of the hat would be nice. Great channel though!
Sorry dude, you did do a John Hurt tribute, my bad. Loving the channel
Hmmm, I was wondering what they called this particular species/parasite. I could only imagine this would be another break away alien hybrid type after gestating inside the human host.
on the subject of face hugger how did xenomorphs reproduce before the arrival of the nostromo and it's human crew
After Shaw and David crash landed on the planet, David secretly contacted Wayland Yutani to update them on the status of the Prometheus expedition and the discovery of the black goo; he also requested supplies (mainly lab equipment) and a new body. He then killed Shaw or held her captive and experimented on her female anatomy (her infertile female eggs) with the black goo and eventually created the face hugger eggs. David discovers from archived data on the engineer ship that the engineers' black goo was originally designed to mutate life forms into hostile creatures which attack and infect other life forms with black goo; this is what happened to Fifield and the worms in Prometheus.
However, use of the black goo had some unintended consequences; instead of just destroying life, it sometimes created a new powerful highly adaptive species called the "morph" (alien with elongated skull). The morph is created from reproductive cells such as plant spores, human eggs/embryos, etc. that have been mutated by the black goo into a parasite (face hugger, trilobite, etc.) which can impregnate a host with a morph alien embryo. The morph gestates inside its host until mature enough to leave which results in a violent death for the host. Apparently, the engineers have encountered these morphs in the past when they used the black goo to eliminate life on planets. The engineers revered, respected, and feared this powerful alien species, which unlike other life forms created by the black goo, has the power to procreate, hence the reason for the mural depicting what looked like a xenomorph and face hugger in the room where the black goo was stored in at the engineer's installation on LV-223.
The engineers sought to learn how these morphs are created and discovered that face hugger eggs are created when the black goo mutates the eggs of humanoid creatures (such as humans) which the engineers are responsible for creating (see beginning of Prometheus). David discovered this knowledge from archived data stored on the engineer ship that he and Shaw used to escape from LV-223 and then used that information to experiment on Shaw's eggs and create face hugger eggs. After creating the eggs, he then communicated with Weyland Yutani again, requesting additional human subjects (mainly women) to experiment on. So, Weyland Yutani sends the Covenant and its human crew, which consists of male/female couples, to his location. When the Covenant crew arrive at David's location, they immediately come into contact with mutated spores that turn some of them into a neomorph alien which is a morph created from human and plant DNA. Apparently, David had been experimenting on the local ecosystem by contaminating it with the black goo. David eventually reveals himself to the crew and helps them destroy the neomorphs.
After earning the crew's trust, David convinces some of the crew to follow him to the engineer ship where he keeps the face hugger eggs. The captain is attacked by a face hugger which leads to the creation of the protomorph alien which is created from only human DNA; the protomorph is far more formidable than the neomorphs, but not as powerful as the classic xenomorph from the films. While the crew is dealing with the new protomorph alien, David continues to experiment and lures the Covenant's android, Walter to another face hugger egg. A face hugger impregnates Walter with an alien which leads to the creation of the classic biomechanical xenomorph (queen) which is the most powerful form of the species created to date. The xenomorph alien is created from synthetic android DNA and human DNA (from Shaw). The queen alien begins laying new face hugger eggs which delights David, as he is able to create a new life form IN HIS IMAGE capable of procreation. The crew eventually dispatches the protomorph alien and then attempt to flee the planet. However, the engineers return and kill David, the xenomorphs, and all of the remaining Covenant crew. They then destroy the ecosystem David created and take all of the xenomorph eggs with them. However, one of the eggs hatches and attacks the engineer pilot (space jockey) who is eventually killed by a chestburster which causes the ship (derelict) to crash land on LV-426 where Ripley and the crew of the Nostromo eventually discover it. Before dying, the engineers on the ship activate a beacon warning other engineers to stay away, as the powerful xenomorph species on the ship is much too dangerous to come into contact with. It is revealed in the end that not all of David's ecosystem and all of the xenomorph eggs had been destroyed, and that is where Alien 5 will take place, as Weyland Yutani has set up their own bio weapons research facility on the planet in order to "harvest" the xenomorph eggs and experiment on them in order to create even more terrifying creations.
android dna? lulz.
History of Weyland Yutani or stuff on the Colonial Marine Corps plz
Is there a video about the mist in Alien? where Kane finds the eggs and he says there is a mist covering them and it reacts to him touching it.
I'm pretty sure that was established to be a stasis field, but I'm not sure.
Make a detailed video (like the one you did on Alien3) about the bonding of Weyland Corps. and Yutani Corps. and their interest in the Xenomorph.
I think a Trilobite infected human would produce an alien unlike any we've ever seen before. The Trilobite was a wonderfully grotesque creature, Ridley has me on board as he continues to mine Giger's art and expand upon it.
Prometheus is marvelously horrific. The autodoc scene alone is worth the price of admission.
Do you think a trilobite would be easy to take off. Or will it have acid for blood like a face hugger would?
Carlos Gonzalez As the snake-creatures has acid for blood, it's reasonable to assume the trilobite would have as well.
I'm curious about those flatworms that attacked the scientists in the cave. Is there any other info on them?
Jackal That's really weird..I'm surprised they didn't go more in-depth with the Hammerpedes
i wonder what filters do you use to make the film look like as if its shown on VHS
Can you explain Eloise it's a Xeno-Human Cyborg Hybrid from the Comics.
just curious HOW was it able to grow further without food?
I think that the Trilobite was carrying a different type of embryo, but also that it’s offspring would have performed the same way as a Facehugger embryo in that it would take on the genetic traits of its host. So what we have here is two evolutionary trails.
Your mileage may vary.
from alien 1, chestbursters have a longer gestation, and the host is seemingly normal. so what if the host (male) mates with a female, could she be impregnated with a trilobite? or is this strictly "black goo" stuff?
black goo stuff
Resonable health - you mean sprinting and pulling up her entire bodyweight after jumping a crevice? After a C section :D
Agreed. She should have been completely immobilized after such a highly invasive surgical procedure. My wife was barely able to walk around her bed six hours after her C-Section, much less anything else, and she was in nowhere near as dire straits as Shaw, who just had an alien embryonic sack rupture and drain back into her belly...
@@ab5olut3zero95 Well case studies shown that a human body can overcome pain in extreme fight or flight situations. Considering the surgery was a success and the thing nearly burst out of here. It is safe to assume she was on full adrenaline mode. Hell a pregnant woman in Russia managed to climb a 3rd story building to avoid getting mauled by a wild angry bare charging at her - and she was 8 & a half months into pregnancy. All thanks to adrenaline. So its not that far fetched.
Didn't she inject herself with adrenaline so she wouldn't pass out during the procedure?
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 yeah
I have a theory, in alien 1, ash describes that the facehugger as "shedding his cells and replacing them with polarised silicone" if the aliens are replacing their anatomy with an inorganic material it would explain why this facehugger was so soft. It was incredibly young by comparison to a facehugger that matures over a period in an egg growing more rigid and armoured over time.
What if a facehugger inpreggnanted a engineer? What could it possibly look like? I know that engineers are similar if not exact to humans but what would it look like? Taller, bigger, more agressive, different color, different variant, etc. Would it be smarter?
Here are some questions I brainstormed which you may or may not have covered.
#1. In the movie Prometheus it is demonstrated that we have the technology to remove a Xenomorph before it burst out of a victim.
Why didn't the engineers have this technology as well?
Clearly the engineers are supposed to be more technologically advanced than humans so why is it that the space jockey in the original alien movie and this space jockey engineer couldn't have done something to get the xeno morph out of its body before being killed?
#2. Why did the engineer die before the trilobite Xenmorph Deacon burst out of its body?
The trilobite would not have wanted to kill the engineer simply because it wanted the body as a host.
I have to assume that if the engineers worked with Xenomorphs long enough they would have come up with ways to either terminate pregnancies or to remove an embryo from their bodies.
It would be like working with nerve gas and not having an antidote.
Do we know if the Trilobite & Deacon are just throwbacks to the original movie or relevant to the new covenant?
I thought that each alien is different depending on whatever host it had like in alien 3 with the dog right?!... or alien v predator with the predator alien merge.
so shaw died from having that womb open and all its contents entering her open gut right, like that would kill her?
So. Was the trilobite feeding on something? Or how on earth did it gain mass and size?
Did it have little patches of hair on it?
Does anyone know what the ambient background he uses is? I want to fall asleep to it
I wonder, if Shaw had given birth vaginally, would the resulting trilobite have more of a symbotic relationship to her? As I see it, she gave birth via c-section in the surgical pod, meaning it was premature. There was nothing I saw, that indicated it was hurting her in any way, and its gestation (having an amniotic sac and an umbilical cord) would suggest a mother-baby like bond.
awesome video man
love the videos you are setting the standard for the copy cats
I have a question more than a topic for a vid, but what other weapons were on the colonial Marines ship in Aliens? You can see some kind of bullpup style rifles. thx for reading this if you did.
Here's a video topic if there's enough information on it: Could WY be actually large enough to subcontract the military forces of whatever standing government there is in the Aliens universe or are the Colonial Marines an actual military branch made to pacify potentially hostile colonial worlds or maybe a PMC of some sort. Either of the latter two would have a hand in explaining their relatively lax approach to handling LV-426, generally laid back attitude, and generally poor handling of the various xenomorph threats across the books, comics, games and movies.
Also, is WY the only mega corporation in the universe or just the one we hear the most about? I think I remember something being said in Alien Isolation about another but I could be mistaken.
Either way, if anyone could provide the answer to either question that would help clear the air related to some details that always bugged me about the franchise.
This answer the "Do Xenomorphs Eat?" video, that they do not need to. the Trilobite is obviously able to generate large amounts of matter in a short amount of time, thought it is much softer than a xenomorph or face hugger.
why is it called a Decon? can't seem to get an answer.
It's called a Deacon because the color of it's skin is "Deacon blue".
Hey Alien Theory, great vids! so here's something that I don't think has been explored yet. What was Ash doing to Ripley with the magazine in Alien?! I know he was all messed up an all, but what was he doing?!