The problem with video game adaptations is simple: we don’t want your story with a few game characters’ names. We want the game stories. Plain and simple
The same could be said about pretty much every movie or TV show adaptation of a story from a different medium. That's why comic book fans have been pissed at superhero movies since even before Marvel's Phase 4 or the entirety of the DCEU, and literature people have probably been pissed at these adaptation ever since they're a thing. I know not every story can work in every medium and sometimes some changes are needed to make them work but other times these differences are due to laziness, poor planning, lack of commitment etc., or it's downright arbitrary changes for the sake of the people involved "leaving their mark" on this one adaptation (looking at you, James Gunn).
Well I personally think aside from brand popularity, the Mario movie succeeded at doing what barely any videogame adaptations do which made you feel like you were playing the game. References aside, the Mario movie really did feel like one big Mario game with going from point A to B with all the whimsy and magic it comes with. It certainly isn't a great story but videogame adaptations should aim to adapt what makes the games they're coming from so special. The Last of Us show(despite personal misgivings) was able to do what the main game did which was deliver a heartwarming and hopeful story between a beaten down old man and his surrogate daughter. Hopefully more adaptations come to realize the actual winning formula for game adaptations and don't fall into the same trap they've been falling into of simply using the game's name with random references here and there but have almost nothing to do with the original property
What’s the point of watching a game you can’t play? What _should_ be done is expanding on or continuing a story line from the game in a feature length movie. Not changing anything, or reinventing anything, or telling the same story in a different way. Just expand on what’s already in the zeitgeist. In the process, you end up telling a new story in the same universe.
@@eyespy3001 Perhaps I used the wrong wording. The point is that these adaptations need to recreate the feelings the player has when playing whatever game is being adapted. When I say that the Mario movie managed to capture that essence of playing a Mario game, I mean that it captured those feelings of joy and whimsy with how colorful, bouncy and entertaining it all was. It's good that it expanded things out to have a coherent and decent story for the movie's sake(obviously) but I see that it did it's best efforts to put meaning into it's references and set pieces rather than just be mindless nostalgia
Having daughters I've seen a lot of Barbie movies. Barbie movies are about Barbie overcoming adversity and rising to the challenge to succeed. She's often fighting against an evil power-hungry woman and her associates. I thought this movie was funny and colorful and creative. Ken talking about his unhappiness at being so peripheral in Barbie world was cool. Where it went off the rails for me and my girls was the long "it's so hard to be a woman" rant. It was boring and not at all part of Barbie world.
Lena Dunham wrote an autobiography in which she detailed how the young teenage version of herself was obsessed with her kid sister's body and how she would bribe her to engage in cuddling and kissing. That was among other things she documented that would have made a man unemployable. Sorry. I have to type that every time her name is mentioned.
If Barbie had been treated in the style of Elle Woods (i.e., Legally Blonde) instead of Mindy Kaling (i.e., Velma), it would have not only attracted whatever audience DID show up but many more. I for one would have been delighted to see Margot Robbie portray the iconic girl-power doll come to life. But the film has been forever polluted by a mean-spirited misandry that wasn't deserved or accurate.
The next "era" is probably going to be video games/anime/manga adaptations. They've been rolling that boulder up the hill for a long time. I know everyone is stoked on One Piece, but I am absolutely dreading this to be honest.
I'm of the same opinion. There can be some that will work well, but you just *know* they're gonna try and "Current Day" all of it. Cowboy Bebop was basically Netflix being handed the blueprints and materials to make a money printer, but instead they made a steaming pile of sh!t.
Is it possible that the success of barbie is partly due to watching the movie became a social media trend (showing off your pink outfit to your followers gimmick) and that has nothing to do with the content of the movie?
They did it to Wheel of Time, Lord of the Rings and The Witcher too ! How many times do they have to fail to get the message ? How stupid are Woke activists ? They keep proving my point over and over again
They don't care. People's model that businesses exist to make a profit is wrong. The managers who operate them see the company as existing to serve them rather than the other way around. They care more about the message than they do about profits. They will convert all of the capital into their cause and when the company fails they will move on to the next one.
I have so many girl friends that loved it and when I questioned them they just pulled the ‘now they know how we are treated’, and then I pointed out how they’re not and they just got confused. It’s like female comedians, it’s not about being funny or even honest, it’s just make it sound sympathetic
So basically their version of "manosphere" entertainment... It's not how things actually are, they're just exploiting those unsatisfied with who are but are too weak to make the changes necessary to be better people.
@@randomcharacter6501 Thats the best part! They arent interested in "fixing" the problems. They just want someone who will listen to their bullshit for hours on end.
Barbie succeeded because it's Barbie... in the same way Star Wars used to succeed because it's Star Wars (before Disney destroyed it) and Marvel succeeded because it's Marvel (before Disney destroyed it) and all the other popular titles succeed because they're popular titles (before Hollywood destroys them). The entire Barbie brand has been about female empowerment since the 90's, just in a much more child-like and family-friendly way. All they did was take a popular female-empowered toy and psycho-feminist-amped it up to 11. Add to that the false advertisement of "It's A Family Movie!!!" that surrounds the movie, and you'll draw in the masses just like so many other popular franchises once did... on name brand alone. The difference here is that you'll never see a Barbie movie being "reimagined for MODERN AUDIENCES" by Hollywood, because why would they? Barbie is a perfect IP to push THE MESSAGE, and it will continue to brainwash the minds of little girls for decades to come.
@@liamphibia A little concerning, but Barbie is one "unfair image of real women" argument away from being turned on just like it was in the past. The audience it's also been made for is the one that's most likely to turn on it at any moment, that's the risk of catering to them.
i mean I'm a barbie fan growing up, you have to give a little credit the marketing was well done and they knew it's audience but even I had problems with films how characters were OUT of character, I thought barbie from toy story 3 was way more empowering than this version
The Barbie Movie succeeded because of Marketing. It was going to succeed because of the 50+ years of marketing the Barbie doll. The cherry on top was making the movie an "event" where people dressed up and went in groups to have a good time and the "Barbenheimer" meme. The messed up part is that the movie is garbage. Not even worth a second viewing because it was a vehicle used to peach to the choir instead of entertain audiences spanning generations. I'm not the only one in my circle who won't be buying Barbie dolls this year for Christmas gifts because of being turned off by the movie. I'm curious about how many folks outside of my circles feel the same.
@@ShaneyBrightIf my circles are at all indicative, I think you’re in the minority. People went ga-ga for Barbie even if they generally don’t agree with the message.
I think this convo is too focused on gender as type of shorthand for the issues discussed. I think Paul was correct that it's about adulterating the IP. The particular tactic of introducing a girl-boss is an attempt to give women the same fantasy fulfillment in order to broaden the audience (plus meddling about ESG points), but they fail to realize that these IPs already had strong women. More importantly, to Paul's point, if you stick to the core premise and aspects of the IPs, you'll attract the rabid fans who will drop $1000s on tickets, merch, cons, etc, and will take their kids to these movies, thus securing the next generation of fans. They have shot themselves in the foot by changing the IPs, and then when they got negative feedback, doubled down and shot themselves in the other foot. $0.02
Think I agree here. I often find that Drinker has good rational points, but here the comments seemed a bit too extreme regarding shifting predominately male-based genres to female. Take Star Trek - I had no problem with captain Janeway twenty years ago. Nor to I have a problem with its liberal messaging (which it usually leans toward, even if at its best it was more subtle and balanced too, provoking thought). And when Force Awakens came out, I had no problem with there being a female Jedi - I was interested to see what the new character would be like. The problem as always isn't so much with the message, as it is with heavy-handed and incompetent execution, where they make no attempt to understand or respect the source material, to the point where it doesn't feel like they're creating characters, but over-playing their hand with subtext as subtle as a punch in the face.
I agree. I think any disagreement would come down to semantics. You can easily disseminate these movies without actually having to discuss the gender of the main characters.
Its the doll version of A Handmaids Tale. A fictional world that never existed where women pretend to be breaking free of shackles they've never worn. And now that the newness is gone they ain't going to get it back. The sequel will be derivative mess with nowhere to go. The Kens remain enslaved. Attempting real world stuff will go as well as the Smile Sunshine scene in Captain Marvel. It'll make money, but less and less. Twilight, god help me , was constructed as a multi part story. This was a one shot that was an unexpected hit
You know, the success of Barbie 2023 reminds me of this dialogue exchange from Nostalgia Critic's Smurfs 2011 review: Nostalgia Critic: And yet, it was such a big hit. Why? Black Nerd: I'll tell you why. Because they threw a lot of money and advertising at it with no effort, People forget how all over the place the Smurfs were. It was a marketing monster that couldn't be escaped. It grabbed older people's nostalgia, younger kid's love for toys, and enough celebrities to have people shrug and be way too forgiving because of how cute it was. Nostalgia Critic: So, wait, you're saying you can make a bundle through no effort at all as long as you just advertise it right? Black Nerd: Pretty much. All you need is something nostalgic, celebrities, and someone who's manipulated people through advertising before.
@@ThaYoungChad Of course, it's not that the movie is based on one of the most important toy lines of all time, with more than 50 years of history, and that many generations have good memories with its products.
Problem wth changing stuff is that it ruins and angers everyone or better said vast majority of old and current fans while trying to make and attract new ones which mostly don't care or won't bet an eye
My wife and 17 year old daughter went to see this film for “girls day”. They really hated it and walked out. I figured it would be cute and fun, but it wasn’t. It was a cheap trick to get viewers.
@@user-vw6ke3ok2myeah this people just don’t really think. People are watching this over and over again if the message turned people it wouldn’t have had legs. It was the same thing with the 1st black panther if you just screw your head in a bit you’d realise that a movie doesn’t need to be good to make money as long as the specified audience loves it
You should have watched Ruby Gillman instead. It was a fun, cute little movie with a great protagonist for girls, and nobody watched it because for some reason, the same people who spent months praising The Last Wish weren't remotely curious about what DreamWorks was making next and didn't keep their eyes peeled. Ya snooze, ya lose.
Barbie was marketed to women who want to be victims without the inconvenience of being victimized. Give women that and they'll spend money they don't have on stuff they don't need to chase fleeting emotional states.
Nah, it's marketed "for families". They hide those stinky crap til the last minute. Many people felt betrayed, or even at least just minimally annoyed. The other large part are the people whom the message just went over their head and aren't that invested in the culture war, like normal parents who brought their kids. Of course, there were people whom slurping the message religiously, but they aren't that much compared to the other 2 demographics.
This. Barbie fans are the ultimate consoomer. The ones that still watch SW are these brand followers that just eat anything with it's name. That's the standard for Barbie fans
Basically women will devour anything directly marketed to them no matter how awful and stupid it is. Look at how they turned Aquaman into a billion dollar movie
@@christophertaylor9100#notallwomen lol There are a lot of us out here (particularly the neurodiverse) who thought the Barbie movie was ideological trash and unsurprisingly, we get dumped on by *those women* for voicing our differing opinions.
@@stackels97 Sure, and a lot of women walked out really annoyed with the messaging but... a billion dollars later proves that many loved it and didn't care about the man hating plot holes and stupid characterization.
I wouldn't have minded a Teela show if they'd actually marketed it as that and if it was actually good. E.g. she actually had trails, was tested, failed and grew. If she was likable, made sensible decisions and understood the perspectives of others. A Teela centred show could have been good... it just wasn't.
@user-xx6vy9ri8p Classic She-Ra was great. Really enjoyed that as a kid. Didn't like the new Netflix She-Ra either. Thought that was badly written too. Not as badly written as the new He-Man, but still gave up after 4 episodes. Guess it wasn't made for me... Still think it could have been written better though.
I think a big part of Barbie's success was just name recognition and all the masses go see a very recognizable brand name themed movie, like Transformers, especially one that's been around for so many decades and has cross appeal across generations. And every little girl wants to see it, so that guarantees box office success. The movie itself was kind of a mess and tried to be subversive in places, I'd hardly call it a full on traditional crowd pleaser.
Margo Robbie is marketable as well. Those 2 factors made Barbie successful where Velma was a disaster. The woke propaganda has always been there since the 90's it's just gotten blatant in 2020's. I rewatched Stargate series and in early episode, the 120 lbs Air Force tech girl faced a 180 lbs battle hardened warlord in hand to hand combat and won... ya, no. But that is Hollywood and has always been there.
Yeah, I chock it up to many peoples 90s brains being triggered. The commercials were very good at selling the image or backdrop, or what have you, of Barbie.
Except *Velma* is actually funny and speaks the truth about the oppressor classes, so this proves that the hatred of it is rooted in racism and misogyny against women of color, that somehow does not extend to women of uncolor. Velma rules and Barfbie drools!
The market has shifted to marketing to women, according to studies and data in marketing statistics show, women are almost twice as easy to influence than men with directed advertising. This means greater consumption influence which generates more revenue. The car companies discovered this in the late 90s with truck sales. They started "making trucks that women want to drive". The prices skyrocketed beyond what most men were typically willing to spend. Dodge was quoted as saying they were doing just that. It's smart business honestly. Garbage for societys morale but who cares about that in business?
Understand that women make most of the consumption decisions and have for decades. Anything financed by advertising that isn't specifically advertising to men is going to be fixed on women.
@@higherground9888 If Society is collapsing then it makes more sense to save money and keep it for emergency, yet the mega success of this movie seems to indicate that people will keep on engaging in consumerism and materialism, and keep making bad financial choices without any long term thinking.
Yet Chato had to double back and fish for reactions instead of letting his terrible joke die on the vine as it should have. He has got to break that habit.
He missed a great opportunity to suggest they make a movie where Marie Curie discovers some crap about radioactive chemicals and then becomes a superhero girl boss of science and the world because...reasons. The MSheU could even say that one was "based on a true story"!
@@KnuckleHunkybuck It's because the rest of them were too ignorant about science to understand the sarcasm. It's hard to laugh about something when you don't have the first clue about the subject matter.
The 1980s can be viewed as the genesis of a lot of the hard-core marketing and merchandising efforts that we see as the real money makers today. What was incredibly common back then was the "target audience" concept that seems to be so denigrated now. GI Joe was made for boys, My Little Pony for girls, and all was right with the world. That said, you still found crossover anyway. I may have loved Thundercats and Transformers, but that didn't stop me from also enjoying Jem and the Holograms or the occasional episode of Rainbow Brite.
This is where the failing comes in - the incorrect view imo - is to look at it and go "just don't insert that into MY franchise" The Barbie movie taught that if men try and act independent they are in the wrong, they need to be slavishly devoted to women, anything else is Patriarchy and it ruined quite a lot of relationships too. Do people seriously not see the freight train level of bad going off the scales insane if this same mentality is marketed to every branch of female focused films? Polly Pocket where they discuss how they're being imprisoned by the men, a She-Ra movie that makes the Horde a total 100% male oppressive unit, on and on and on the message of "you are fine on your own, you don't need no man and will be happy." it's culture suicide - and part of me is perfectly okay with it for how blind people seem to be about it.
It also destroyed the dating market. Be prepared to receive the question "what did you think about the Barbie movie". It's crazy and no answer will get you to the next level. A positive answer bans you to the shadow realm and negative will spark a tyrade. It might be the women I dated?
@@Di4bloN0ir it's a maybe on the women you've dated, but the problem is now that the pool of women that are identical in personality to the women you've dated is far larger now than it was even 10 years ago, it's why I am hesitant to say "no it isn't." but the safest option for any guy when asked that is to just cash your chips in and realise she's already a lost cause, to say you don't watch movies and only read books and move on.
Barbie is CLEARLY not what your take is and 1.4 billion dollars say otherwise. Female centric films are not "dangerous' to society as much as racist John Wayne films were.
Barbie was successful because of brand name alone. People were gonna see it because she's that much of a cultural icon, and regardless of the quality, audiences would flock to the theater just to see it out of spite.
Mass Effect would make for a thrilling series - just imagine spending an entire episode watching the protagonist walk back and forth from one side of the space station to the other to deliver messages between two people, never mind all of the episodes where he flies from one side of the universe to the other to do the same - thrilling!
You are right. Messaging aside thats really what a movie's success often hedges on. Why we see so many flops for years now is because the films kept failing to cater to the audiences they should have been largely due to someone outside the actual demographic trying to blunt force it into catering to a completely different group. Obviously the end result is a product that fails to mesh with anyone.
Wdym? The Barbie movie is more successful than basically every single Barbie animated movies. So no, no one is treating the animated movies too harshly given the movie's huge success 😂
The animateds weren't hyperfeminist, AFAIK. They were schmaltzy and saccharine sweet and out-of-touch girl fantasy, but at least they lacked malice. I'm thinking that's the OP's point.
@@kaj7135 Sure, but Barbie was specifically made for women and marketed to women with misandry, which isn't a common tactic. Mostly they use men's franchises and try to disguise the misandry.
@@Atheismo9760exactly. They can do that in a long standing famale franchise, but doing it franchise that's always had a mostly male audience is a sure failure. It won't attract a new audience but the existing one will dump it.
@@mikerude5073exactly, Barbie was a franchise forgirls by girls, so there's little to change. Almost every other franchise you can think of is a guy's show (or open to all) being forced to wear an ill-fitting identity politics suit.
I think an aspect that’s overlooked is that the lead was a beautiful woman. I guarantee looking pretty was half the draw for an ordinary watcher. Hollywood seems to have forgotten attractive actors bring in dollars too.
The main lesson the should (and probably won't be learned) is that when you cater to the audience the IP is made for, it will likely be very successful... I know, what a shock. But before anyone gets too worried about the wrong lesson being learned here, do remember... Barbie is one "too unfair idea of what real life women are" argument away from the very audience it caters to completely ripping it apart, just like they used to before. Barbie had been vilified by these same people because of girl's self-image issues before and we know that they love nothing more than to have a dragon to slay, an enemy to fight, a battle to win. So before you know it, while Barbie is being championed now, they will ultimately turn on her, it's just a matter of time.
Interesting viewpoint. The movie is very much anti-family and anti-motherhood. I don't think this movie's prime audience - Feminists, left leaning liberals have any children or are planning to have them in the future nor I think it made many parents excited to buy Barbie dolls for their little girls in the future so I expect the Barbie doll sales to fall off in the future despite whatever boost this movie have provided for now.
Anime is another one thats gonna see a surge. Japanese Culture is so popular that Hollywood can't resist not exploiting. And, like video games, we're getting a new generation of creatives who grew up with it and actually want to make good products.
Yes and the fact is that they have already done adaptations of popular forms of entertainment and in recent years they have had a lot more failures then successes(Barbie is the only that made a profit out of being a live action of a popular toy brand) and there are a more then a few cringe moments in Barbie and the best character in that film is Ken. Arcane and Cyberpunk Edgerunners were hits due to them not shoving the message down our throats and poisoning the story with it and Barbie was untested and Margo Robbie was considered box office poison(due to her last 4 films being flops) and got lucky with Barbie being a popular brand among the female audience spanning decades(You need to check out Ruth Handler’s interview explaining why she made the Barbie doll).
i mean I'm a barbie fan growing up, you have to give a little credit the marketing was well done and they knew it's audience but even I had problems with films how characters were OUT of character, I thought barbie from toy story 3 was way more empowering than this version
Video game adaptations are definitely going to increase. They haven't completely figured out how to do it, but they're getting closer. And spin-offs like Arkane and Cyberpunk Edgerunners show that at the very least there's potential adapting the worlds from these games, if not the stories. I'm definitely curious about what they do with Fallout. That's a great series to adapt as it's entirely about world-building, the actual stories told within the games don't necessarily need to be adapted. They can do whatever they want, really, as long as they're faithful to the world lore.
I'm shocked it was such a massive hit. I thought the movie was okay but definitely a movie for women and girl boss fans. But it wasn't anything mind blowing. If it had more song and dance like if they put in the Barbie song then it would be pure awesomeness.
Barbie succeeded because it literally hid the wokeness in the trailers. Also because Gen Z women is so painfully left leaning. So of course they'd like this
imma be real if you went into a barbie movie expecting them not to bring up feminism in some capacity, you are pretty delusional. even if this movie was made 30 years ago feminism would be a huge part of this, I truly don’t know what you were expecting.
@@TropicaIJaynah it really didn’t. a movie from the 90s would have the same amount of heavy handedness and trying to deconstruct what barbie really means. this was a good throwback 90s movie, even looked like a real movie unlike most slop these days
@@cokemaster3710Most normies didn’t. Stop claiming us. We knew or at Lear t mount of us knew because we’ve been through eh rodeo millions of times. People. Ed to drop this argument.
Considering that Oppenheimer is a huge success for box office, critics and audiences. That's enough distraction for him from the Barbenheimer memes, he's gonna be just fine. He knows that people loved Oppenheimer, he's grateful by that. Enough said, that's his biggest take away from the Barbenheimer stuff. Why would he feel annoyed? 🤷
I wonder if Critical Drinker is even hearing himself when he lists off all of the virtues for video game movie adaptations, because those were the exact same strengths that Star Wars, Rings of Power & so many other IP's had going for them. Now you expect the same exact people who were paid to adapt those properties to be respectful & accurate to video game brands? They weren't even able to do that 20 or 30 years ago when they were movie studios & not activist fronts! As for the unexpected success of "Barbie," I still don't understand that one but there are a couple factors that were not named. One was the "Barbieheimer" trend. Gen Z, especially the young women, love their "Trending" topics, so that gave this film an unexpected boost but it's probably not something that can be duplicated. Two, I keep wondering if the film got a boost after "Ken" went viral as an icon of "anti-feminism," making guys who were not interested in seeing it, go see it because they were curious. Which again, is probably not repeatable. No matter the reason, "Barbie's" success does not bode well for the health of the culture as a whole but there seems to be no curing that.
I'll tell you what every talking head seems to have missed: memes. It was the memes. Once the "literally me" Gosling was announced in Barbie, we had Barbie memes for the better part of a year before the movie dropped. Whether you ingested memes through FB/IG or 4Chan, Barbenheimer memes flooded the meme economy. It was zero shock that Barbie put up big box office numbers if you spent enough time looking at memes in your daily life. How that seemingly never comes up in this communities speculation is beyond me.
Barbie is CLEARLY not as toxic as you make it out to be. In fact, racist John Wayne movies are far worse but it's OK since it's an American guy in the lead (just imagine how women felt back then) . Barbie is a feminist movie but it isn't anti-men and ken proves it . . .
@@randomhuman97 they tried they're best that it's about "equality", the flawed side of this film is this movie had more critiques of patriarchy than matriarchy, every time ken felt down it was either used for comedy or to make him a villain (well kinda only for few minutes in this film) but with barbie her concerns are obviously taken seriously, overall as a barbie fan growing up I could go on about how deeply flawed this film is but if people like this movie I wouldn't bother. oh and the claims about this movie being "anti-man", it's a yes & no and the john wayne character, never watched the movie but heard how a lot of people disliked this character in this generation.
@@randomhuman97 "movies made 6 decades ago were not politically correct so it's ok that feminist write constant drivel that shows how creatively devoid they are, and seemingly ignores the fact the civil rights era ever happened"
Fallout is perfect TV show material. It's a rich world, with complex lore, lot's of cool stories, and it's visually interesting and unique too. If they do just a decent job, it could be as big as Game of Thrones. And you may said nuclear physics as a joke, but it's not. The development of the bomb is actually a fascinating story, with high stakes, lots of explosions, tension, danger, intrigue, spies, and dozens of interesting characters. It could either be a TV show with easily 5-7 seasons. Or even a cinematic universe, where we see the story of each main character, and then they join together to build the ultimate weapon and save the world. And if you think that the character stories would be boring, just remember that most of them were fleeing from the Nazis, often at the last possible minute, and traveling in that era was in itself a dangerous adventure. And the scientists themselves are interesting too, most of them are famous (Albert Einstein, John von Neumann, Hans Bethe, Edward Teller, Richard Feynman, Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard, etc.). The more I think about it, the more I want to watch this.
Fun fact: Disney actually had women as a core audience, they didn’t need to find them. When they bougth Marvell and SW, they could have finally conquere the male audinece, and they would have a full package covering both side. Instead they choose to feminize the boy brands.
i was thinking about that bc walt disney's works mostly appealed to young girls, growing up me and my friends would talk about disney movies we loved watching compared to guys we knew barely talked about it, now disney's female audience is 50% and the male audience is about 40 or 44% mainly bc they started to own SW and marvel.
@@Femmeaesthetic right? I remember flipping through the old movies, and it was a consistent theme that Disney was experimenting with all kinds of movies, but the ones targeted clearly to boys (Sword in the Stone, Robin Hood) were the ones I had never heard of, and the Princess moves and "neutral animal movies" were the topical classics. Buying Lucas Film to fill the gap would have made sense...
You are all over thinking it. Barbie is massive, girls like Barbie, girls go to see Barbie. It would have made the same amount with or without the message.
Legally blonde was basically Barbie goes to law school: those 2 LB movies made big money back over a decade ago. It's the bubblegum pop aesthetic, mixed with girl fantasy (not feminism). No one cares for the politics Gerwig put in, Robbie doesn't even deserve credit (all her prior movies have flopped). There's been a market for this for years, Hollywood just hasnt cottoned on to it, yet. Barbie was a bit of a fluke, but LB got there first.
Dude I would love a Destiny series. You could show some dark age stories, you could bring some famous lore stories to life. Allow me to tell you the story of Jaren Ward, Shin Malphur, And Dredgen Yor... The Thorn and the Last Word.
Surprised none of you brought up the FNAF movie when talking about video game adaptations, it's been in production for 8 years and is coming out later this month
_Barbie_ succeeded despite being woke because the audience was either bitter feminists with a persecution complex who agreed with the messaging or fangirls entirely too young and/or dense to pick up on it in the first place. Putting that shit into action, sci-fi, and fantasy stories will continue to fail, but I don't expect Hollywood to ever learn that.
I've enjoyed it and I'm neither of the things you said. To me, it was a parody of woke ideology. It was hilarious 😂😂😂. I know that this was not the director's intention, but hey, that's how it came across to me. I couldn't stand the spoilt brat, and her mum, and most of the Barbies. At the end, Ken was my favourite character.
@@angelaguidolin4822 _"I've enjoyed it and I'm neither of the things you said."_ That's nice, but you were nevertheless surrounded on all sides of the theater by people who were. It's not a parody; I can assure you people like Greta Gerwig are dead-fucking-serious and they believe every single word they say. It just seems like a parody because it's an inherently vile and moronic ideology, so there's no way to present it in a manner that appeals to someone who thinks critically or has a worldview that isn't completely guided by vindictiveness, envy and spite.
@@angelaguidolin4822 You might have seen it that way. But I know a number of women in real life who loved it because to them it had a powerful message about the struggles of being a woman in a male dominant world. They did NOT see it as a parody.
There is a very useful mindset in technology: "Keep it simple". You don't need to bloat or overthink things sometimes, just keep it simple, and it will work.
@cokemaster3710 Your friends, girlfriend or wife dragging you to a movie you don't want to see? You have to make sacrifices in any friendship or relationship, even if it means seeing something you normally wouldn't.
@@CmdrBrannick use that money to watch something good instead, then that person gets to make more good movies and you get to see less bad movies get made. its a win win
The Barbie success isn't assured, myself I would look at the sales of the dolls over the next few years to see what the real effect is of the movie. Yeah, a lot went to see it but I have heard that many long time Barbie fans were not really happy coming out of it. Movies like this are to push sales of the merchandise, so in the end it will be the sales long term going forward that will determine if this movie was a success. Only time will tell if this long commercial was good for the sales of the dolls or not.
Barbie was close to a one-hit wonder, because every woman of every age and every culture responds well to Barbie. Barbie would appeal to females 100 times more than Wonder Woman. Barbie is an empty vessel, and every female can project her 'status fantasies' and 'imaginary-center-of-attention musings' onto a session of Barbie playtime. The status fantasy and the glamor and the beauty are what is important, not the skin tone or nationality.
@@rustyshackelford4224 for the reason that Barbie is an empty shell that a girl can project her hopes and dreams into. I guess due to your IQ, you missed that the first time around.
Yeah, I concur with Drinker, video game tie ins. They already have a lore and a customer base. Also some role playing games could be ripe for film tie ins. Something like Twilight 2000 would be pretty amazing. Alternative timeline like The Man in the High Castle, except with cold war warfare with a fictional world war three in the year 2000. A group of American service personnel stuck in a nuclear blasted Europe trying to get back home to America. Cheers.
I'm terrified of the thought that if video game adaptations are indeed the next big thing, disney-lucasfilm goes ahead and fucks up the KOTOR game(s) in the future. I swear I'll be leaving this planet if that happens
If anything can tear the gamers away from their controllers for even five minutes (and I'm not sure anything can), it's got to be a movie about a video game.
What Disney has been doing is the equivalent of creating a Barbie sequel where Barbie is out-matched in every way by the male Barbie - Barber! Barber is cooler than everyone. He has lots of male admirers and even more females longing for him, who he treats as a joke. How popular would Barbie/Barber be with women and girls? Would they be sexist for not being interested?
10:57 Warhammer 40,000 has 45 years worth of lore and stories, books, video games (e.g. Space Marine, DOW I-IV, Space Hulk, Final Liberation, etc...), Table top games, board games, and shows from GW's own channel. With that much source material it will most likely be based off a novel or established lore than a video game.
Hollywood always thinks it's the window dressing that makes a movie successful. Jaws becomes a hit; not because of writing, or the telling of a good story or a sense of place- as far as the executives are concerned, it was the shark attacks. And that's what they concentrated on. They absolutely cannot see that the IP in itself that makes it popular but the creative forces behind it.
Hollywood has to learn the right lessons from movies like Mario Bros, though, or they'll just screw this up yet again: be faithful to the original game franchise, have people who are fans of the games be the ones to make the movies, and listen to the fans. If you heed those three rules, then you can make a hugely successful game adaptation. Fail to heed them, and you'll piss off the fans and lose tons of money.
Imposing feminine perspectives on stories that feature male archetypes, makes about as much sense as men insisting on having martial arts and gunplay in a romantic film like The Notebook. If the mismatch would seem revolting to women who love that film, then it should come as no surprise that men don't care for feminist propaganda being included in superhero, sci-fi and action films.
There's already a Devil May Cry anime. It came out, what, 12 or 13 years ago? I would say it's worth the watch. I don't have Netflix so I don't know what this new DMC will be like.
11:36 Rutherford's experiment was about *alpha particles* (helium ions), and was used to prove that most of the positive charge of an atom was concentrated in the nucleus. Accuracy to the source material, which in this case was a number of different foils, not just gold.
Y'all are such men, no issue with that at all but Chato is right. Barbie wasn't successful because of it's message. It was successful because for once it let women be women. The message is obviously terrible but most women weren't going to see it for commentary. They were going to see it for the chance to dress up with their girls and have a fun time. This is just Black Panther but for women.
Be careful what you wish for, I think we can safely say that the chances of it being anything at all like the Mass Effect We Know and Love are somewhere in the realm of approaching Zero.
Imagine all the toy/video game properties that, if done right, can make them tons of money. As long as the IP is respected and handled correctly, it can literally be 90 mins of spectacle and do big numbers, ex: the mario movie. Hot Wheels, Bratz, Legend of Zelda, maybe even company mascots like the Kool-aid man can be like the cartoons of old that were just extended commercials, but we still loved them!
At the very least, it could be done without hurting the brand. Even bad tie-ins that flop could earn a cult following as long as it doesn't antagonize the audience.
You made an IP, intended to a women , wrote by women, direct by women of course it will succeed. They IP is perfect match of the core value they wanted to tell and lecture, so it works. Just like telenovela/soap opera, its the same n-th time of story being told and told again, but they specifically made it for the audience that love it and knew what they expect. Now lets just rolled it upside down, Imagine if a barbie move are not about independent barbie, but the story about Ken looking to emancipate his existence in barbie world. Or a soap opera that become macho, action oriented TV series with gun, explosion, bromance and all that didnt match with how soap opera used to be. Thats literally what happened with franchise Marvel owned this couple of years back.
It never occurred to me that Disney was always catered to little girls. It was always about the princesses and anything for boys was collateral. Then they takeover Star Wars and Marvel - both catered primarily to boys and men and think they could get away with appropriating it for the princesses. It’s appalling and Disney deserves to be thrown on the scrap heap now.
The Marvel movies appealed to girls too - especially to the nerdy ones... to get to a broader audience (both male & female) you need superfical bait like big explosions, a lot of humor and a bit of sexual stimuli like Scarlett J. in a tight outfit or a topless scene for Chris H.
I just knew Chato was going to bring up Neils Bohr once he brought up Oppenheimer I know he was being sarcastic, but I was genuinely excited at the thought.
I'm actually tired of watching this community try to figure out The Barbenheimer success. Anyone who ingested meme's via social media KNOWS why. Whether some sly intern was to thank or it happened naturally, we had nearly a YEAR of memes around the release of Barbie. They took the guy who has been the face of "literally me" memes for the last handful of years and shoved him into their movie. There was zero chance no one was going to notice. Even on the basket weaving image board, you can still find Barbie images being tossed around. It's nothing to deconstruct. It was successful viral marketing, born from relevant casting, mixed with an absurd movie concept. Even the Zoomers in my family went to go see it for the lulz and not cause they gave a shit lol.
Face it, Barbie was a god awful film but the amount of marketing hype around it was like I have never seen. You couldn't turn on the TV without being bombarded by messaging about it. Conversely a lot of people who actually went to see it off the back of the hype came away thinking it was pretty lousy and wished they hadn't bothered. Sure there are some who will warm to the kind of divisive girl boss misandry in the film but this isn't a large audience and I doubt Barbie 2 will be that successful, this was a hype based one hit wonder.
How could such a monstrously hate-mongering and spiteful travesty of a movie like Barbie make that much money?!? Says a lot about the state of the world.
As far as the women I've spoken to about seeing it, they're all mothers with daughters about the same age as the two characters. That's the part they latched into. I couldn't see how any of it was remotely enthralling but that appears to be the demographic loving it.
Twenty years from now, Margot Robbie and a bunch of other aging big-ticket actresses are going to get together to make one last film... The Barbendables. About disposable dolls who are sent on one last suicide mission to sock one out to the evil Patriarchy.
Thing is: Barbie could have been nothing but Magot Robbie tap dancing and farting for 90 minutes and it would have been a massive hit. Barbie is as big as it is because of the toy, not the strength of the film
That's my point. They don't even know what message they're repeating. It's got Barbie. It's live action. The fact that the plot is paint by numbers and all the characters are cookie cutout characatures never resonates. Look at Black Panther for example. The first movie was a standard introduction movie. And yet, it was called "oscar worthy" by so many just because of who the character was. This is the exact same thing.
Barbie proved that women want to see women who act like women exploring what life as a woman can be like in fun and imaginative ways. Even at its preachiest, it was still ironic and funny.
The problem with video game adaptations is simple: we don’t want your story with a few game characters’ names. We want the game stories. Plain and simple
The same could be said about pretty much every movie or TV show adaptation of a story from a different medium. That's why comic book fans have been pissed at superhero movies since even before Marvel's Phase 4 or the entirety of the DCEU, and literature people have probably been pissed at these adaptation ever since they're a thing.
I know not every story can work in every medium and sometimes some changes are needed to make them work but other times these differences are due to laziness, poor planning, lack of commitment etc., or it's downright arbitrary changes for the sake of the people involved "leaving their mark" on this one adaptation (looking at you, James Gunn).
Well I personally think aside from brand popularity, the Mario movie succeeded at doing what barely any videogame adaptations do which made you feel like you were playing the game. References aside, the Mario movie really did feel like one big Mario game with going from point A to B with all the whimsy and magic it comes with. It certainly isn't a great story but videogame adaptations should aim to adapt what makes the games they're coming from so special. The Last of Us show(despite personal misgivings) was able to do what the main game did which was deliver a heartwarming and hopeful story between a beaten down old man and his surrogate daughter. Hopefully more adaptations come to realize the actual winning formula for game adaptations and don't fall into the same trap they've been falling into of simply using the game's name with random references here and there but have almost nothing to do with the original property
What’s the point of watching a game you can’t play? What _should_ be done is expanding on or continuing a story line from the game in a feature length movie. Not changing anything, or reinventing anything, or telling the same story in a different way. Just expand on what’s already in the zeitgeist. In the process, you end up telling a new story in the same universe.
@@eyespy3001 Perhaps I used the wrong wording. The point is that these adaptations need to recreate the feelings the player has when playing whatever game is being adapted. When I say that the Mario movie managed to capture that essence of playing a Mario game, I mean that it captured those feelings of joy and whimsy with how colorful, bouncy and entertaining it all was. It's good that it expanded things out to have a coherent and decent story for the movie's sake(obviously) but I see that it did it's best efforts to put meaning into it's references and set pieces rather than just be mindless nostalgia
Yeah. Castlevania is a good example.
Can't wait for the Schrodinger movie. No one will know it exists unless they open the cinema doors.
Will it start Ricky Schrodinger?
Haha good one.
"You changed the box office gross by measuring it!"
Haha good one.
"You changed the box office gross by measuring it!"
Ryan Gosling had a spicy take that flew under the radar "Barbie is supposed to be a feminist paradise but none of them are overweight" ooof!!😂
Lmao did he really say that?
There was a fat chick, a pregnant chick and a crippled chick. Definitely a feat of achievement teaching them to dance.
Noice.
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"Have you heard the Tragic Tale of Darth Ken The Unshackled? No? I thought not. It's not a story Barbie would tell you." - Palpatine probably
* Ken the Simp
Palpatine that somehow returned.
Jesus Christ…. If I ever see a dude do Ken memes IRL… He’s waking up in the ER.
@@SirBlackReedsThank you.
"The Unshackled" 😂
Having daughters I've seen a lot of Barbie movies. Barbie movies are about Barbie overcoming adversity and rising to the challenge to succeed. She's often fighting against an evil power-hungry woman and her associates. I thought this movie was funny and colorful and creative. Ken talking about his unhappiness at being so peripheral in Barbie world was cool. Where it went off the rails for me and my girls was the long "it's so hard to be a woman" rant. It was boring and not at all part of Barbie world.
Lena Dunham wrote an autobiography in which she detailed how the young teenage version of herself was obsessed with her kid sister's body and how she would bribe her to engage in cuddling and kissing. That was among other things she documented that would have made a man unemployable. Sorry. I have to type that every time her name is mentioned.
Barbie is a huge brand and it had huge stars plus misleading trailers, all of that lead to it success.
If Barbie had been treated in the style of Elle Woods (i.e., Legally Blonde) instead of Mindy Kaling (i.e., Velma), it would have not only attracted whatever audience DID show up but many more. I for one would have been delighted to see Margot Robbie portray the iconic girl-power doll come to life. But the film has been forever polluted by a mean-spirited misandry that wasn't deserved or accurate.
The next "era" is probably going to be video games/anime/manga adaptations. They've been rolling that boulder up the hill for a long time. I know everyone is stoked on One Piece, but I am absolutely dreading this to be honest.
I'm of the same opinion. There can be some that will work well, but you just *know* they're gonna try and "Current Day" all of it. Cowboy Bebop was basically Netflix being handed the blueprints and materials to make a money printer, but instead they made a steaming pile of sh!t.
yeah at least ghost in shell is probelly safe for awhile i enjoyed the movie but from what i could dig up the movie bombed hard so yeah
Is it possible that the success of barbie is partly due to watching the movie became a social media trend (showing off your pink outfit to your followers gimmick) and that has nothing to do with the content of the movie?
They did it to Wheel of Time, Lord of the Rings and The Witcher too ! How many times do they have to fail to get the message ? How stupid are Woke activists ? They keep proving my point over and over again
Dr Who, Halo, Masters of the Universe
They don't care. People's model that businesses exist to make a profit is wrong. The managers who operate them see the company as existing to serve them rather than the other way around. They care more about the message than they do about profits. They will convert all of the capital into their cause and when the company fails they will move on to the next one.
And the ESGs incentivize their failures.
Terminator Dark fate, last of us 2, The MCU.
Have you actually read the Witcher books? It’s all woke nonsense. The author was a feminist simp before it was even a thing
I have so many girl friends that loved it and when I questioned them they just pulled the ‘now they know how we are treated’, and then I pointed out how they’re not and they just got confused.
It’s like female comedians, it’s not about being funny or even honest, it’s just make it sound sympathetic
So basically their version of "manosphere" entertainment... It's not how things actually are, they're just exploiting those unsatisfied with who are but are too weak to make the changes necessary to be better people.
@@randomcharacter6501 Thats the best part! They arent interested in "fixing" the problems. They just want someone who will listen to their bullshit for hours on end.
Pink and purple hair dye causes brain damage and there is proof all over Hollywood
We are making better worlds. All of them. One at a time.
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.104. Okay, I won’t
Barbie succeeded because it's Barbie... in the same way Star Wars used to succeed because it's Star Wars (before Disney destroyed it) and Marvel succeeded because it's Marvel (before Disney destroyed it) and all the other popular titles succeed because they're popular titles (before Hollywood destroys them). The entire Barbie brand has been about female empowerment since the 90's, just in a much more child-like and family-friendly way. All they did was take a popular female-empowered toy and psycho-feminist-amped it up to 11. Add to that the false advertisement of "It's A Family Movie!!!" that surrounds the movie, and you'll draw in the masses just like so many other popular franchises once did... on name brand alone.
The difference here is that you'll never see a Barbie movie being "reimagined for MODERN AUDIENCES" by Hollywood, because why would they? Barbie is a perfect IP to push THE MESSAGE, and it will continue to brainwash the minds of little girls for decades to come.
Yeah... Though that last part concerns me.
@@liamphibia A little concerning, but Barbie is one "unfair image of real women" argument away from being turned on just like it was in the past. The audience it's also been made for is the one that's most likely to turn on it at any moment, that's the risk of catering to them.
i mean I'm a barbie fan growing up, you have to give a little credit the marketing was well done and they knew it's audience but even I had problems with films how characters were OUT of character, I thought barbie from toy story 3 was way more empowering than this version
The Barbie Movie succeeded because of Marketing. It was going to succeed because of the 50+ years of marketing the Barbie doll.
The cherry on top was making the movie an "event" where people dressed up and went in groups to have a good time and the "Barbenheimer" meme.
The messed up part is that the movie is garbage. Not even worth a second viewing because it was a vehicle used to peach to the choir instead of entertain audiences spanning generations.
I'm not the only one in my circle who won't be buying Barbie dolls this year for Christmas gifts because of being turned off by the movie.
I'm curious about how many folks outside of my circles feel the same.
@@ShaneyBrightIf my circles are at all indicative, I think you’re in the minority. People went ga-ga for Barbie even if they generally don’t agree with the message.
I think this convo is too focused on gender as type of shorthand for the issues discussed. I think Paul was correct that it's about adulterating the IP. The particular tactic of introducing a girl-boss is an attempt to give women the same fantasy fulfillment in order to broaden the audience (plus meddling about ESG points), but they fail to realize that these IPs already had strong women. More importantly, to Paul's point, if you stick to the core premise and aspects of the IPs, you'll attract the rabid fans who will drop $1000s on tickets, merch, cons, etc, and will take their kids to these movies, thus securing the next generation of fans. They have shot themselves in the foot by changing the IPs, and then when they got negative feedback, doubled down and shot themselves in the other foot.
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Paul is the only one that doesn't sound like he wants things sent back to 1950
@@theblackflame4002 more like 2000s or so, where absolute trash wasn't the norm.
The 50s would be welcome tho.
Think I agree here. I often find that Drinker has good rational points, but here the comments seemed a bit too extreme regarding shifting predominately male-based genres to female. Take Star Trek - I had no problem with captain Janeway twenty years ago. Nor to I have a problem with its liberal messaging (which it usually leans toward, even if at its best it was more subtle and balanced too, provoking thought). And when Force Awakens came out, I had no problem with there being a female Jedi - I was interested to see what the new character would be like.
The problem as always isn't so much with the message, as it is with heavy-handed and incompetent execution, where they make no attempt to understand or respect the source material, to the point where it doesn't feel like they're creating characters, but over-playing their hand with subtext as subtle as a punch in the face.
I agree. I think any disagreement would come down to semantics.
You can easily disseminate these movies without actually having to discuss the gender of the main characters.
Of course Hollywood learned the wrong lesson. They always do.
Its the doll version of A Handmaids Tale. A fictional world that never existed where women pretend to be breaking free of shackles they've never worn.
And now that the newness is gone they ain't going to get it back. The sequel will be derivative mess with nowhere to go. The Kens remain enslaved. Attempting real world stuff will go as well as the Smile Sunshine scene in Captain Marvel.
It'll make money, but less and less. Twilight, god help me , was constructed as a multi part story. This was a one shot that was an unexpected hit
Thank you.
Drinker is so damn smart.
100% on point on the male audience to female.
You know, the success of Barbie 2023 reminds me of this dialogue exchange from Nostalgia Critic's Smurfs 2011 review:
Nostalgia Critic: And yet, it was such a big hit. Why?
Black Nerd: I'll tell you why. Because they threw a lot of money and advertising at it with no effort, People forget how all over the place the Smurfs were. It was a marketing monster that couldn't be escaped. It grabbed older people's nostalgia, younger kid's love for toys, and enough celebrities to have people shrug and be way too forgiving because of how cute it was.
Nostalgia Critic: So, wait, you're saying you can make a bundle through no effort at all as long as you just advertise it right?
Black Nerd: Pretty much. All you need is something nostalgic, celebrities, and someone who's manipulated people through advertising before.
Like that overrated SMB Movie? LOL!
That's how the industry works for decades.
I honestly think a huge chunk of Barbie's success was thanks to the "Literally Me" audience cause of Ryan Gosling
@@ThaYoungChad Of course, it's not that the movie is based on one of the most important toy lines of all time, with more than 50 years of history, and that many generations have good memories with its products.
@@Sr.BulletBill yeah and it was memed to death and wasn't a good movie
Problem wth changing stuff is that it ruins and angers everyone or better said vast majority of old and current fans while trying to make and attract new ones which mostly don't care or won't bet an eye
its a doll.
@@cokemaster3710 read my comment again, nobody is speaking about the doll
Excellent points by an intelligent panel. Huzzah! Always good to hear from you gents!
My wife and 17 year old daughter went to see this film for “girls day”.
They really hated it and walked out.
I figured it would be cute and fun, but it wasn’t.
It was a cheap trick to get viewers.
Bro hold onto them tightly. There one of the 5% of modern women left that don’t blindly praise misandrist propaganda like the rest of them.
@@user-vw6ke3ok2m you can disappoint your core audience only so many times
@@user-vw6ke3ok2myeah this people just don’t really think. People are watching this over and over again if the message turned people it wouldn’t have had legs. It was the same thing with the 1st black panther if you just screw your head in a bit you’d realise that a movie doesn’t need to be good to make money as long as the specified audience loves it
You should have watched Ruby Gillman instead. It was a fun, cute little movie with a great protagonist for girls, and nobody watched it because for some reason, the same people who spent months praising The Last Wish weren't remotely curious about what DreamWorks was making next and didn't keep their eyes peeled. Ya snooze, ya lose.
@@WaspCameraInSpringfieldWhat's that movie about (Ruby Gillman)?
Barbie was marketed to women who want to be victims without the inconvenience of being victimized. Give women that and they'll spend money they don't have on stuff they don't need to chase fleeting emotional states.
Nah, it's marketed "for families". They hide those stinky crap til the last minute. Many people felt betrayed, or even at least just minimally annoyed. The other large part are the people whom the message just went over their head and aren't that invested in the culture war, like normal parents who brought their kids. Of course, there were people whom slurping the message religiously, but they aren't that much compared to the other 2 demographics.
Box wine: “I’ve been summoned?”
@@looinrims 27 cats: "Indeed you have."
Barbie proved that you can wrap a toxic ideology in a fluffy pink facade and it will make money.
This. Barbie fans are the ultimate consoomer.
The ones that still watch SW are these brand followers that just eat anything with it's name.
That's the standard for Barbie fans
Basically women will devour anything directly marketed to them no matter how awful and stupid it is. Look at how they turned Aquaman into a billion dollar movie
@@christophertaylor9100#notallwomen lol
There are a lot of us out here (particularly the neurodiverse) who thought the Barbie movie was ideological trash and unsurprisingly, we get dumped on by *those women* for voicing our differing opinions.
Unsurprisingly, catering to sexist women in a purely female franchise... works.
@@stackels97 Sure, and a lot of women walked out really annoyed with the messaging but... a billion dollars later proves that many loved it and didn't care about the man hating plot holes and stupid characterization.
The whole "Barbie+Oppenheimer" meme helped a lot I think too.
I wouldn't have minded a Teela show if they'd actually marketed it as that and if it was actually good. E.g. she actually had trails, was tested, failed and grew. If she was likable, made sensible decisions and understood the perspectives of others. A Teela centred show could have been good... it just wasn't.
Like She-Ra
@user-xx6vy9ri8p Classic She-Ra was great. Really enjoyed that as a kid. Didn't like the new Netflix She-Ra either. Thought that was badly written too. Not as badly written as the new He-Man, but still gave up after 4 episodes. Guess it wasn't made for me... Still think it could have been written better though.
I think a big part of Barbie's success was just name recognition and all the masses go see a very recognizable brand name themed movie, like Transformers, especially one that's been around for so many decades and has cross appeal across generations. And every little girl wants to see it, so that guarantees box office success. The movie itself was kind of a mess and tried to be subversive in places, I'd hardly call it a full on traditional crowd pleaser.
Margo Robbie is marketable as well. Those 2 factors made Barbie successful where Velma was a disaster. The woke propaganda has always been there since the 90's it's just gotten blatant in 2020's. I rewatched Stargate series and in early episode, the 120 lbs Air Force tech girl faced a 180 lbs battle hardened warlord in hand to hand combat and won... ya, no. But that is Hollywood and has always been there.
Yeah, I chock it up to many peoples 90s brains being triggered. The commercials were very good at selling the image or backdrop, or what have you, of Barbie.
Except *Velma* is actually funny and speaks the truth about the oppressor classes, so this proves that the hatred of it is rooted in racism and misogyny against women of color, that somehow does not extend to women of uncolor.
Velma rules and Barfbie drools!
I think the movie looks garish, tacky, and ugly. It’s a fucking eyesore.
The market has shifted to marketing to women, according to studies and data in marketing statistics show, women are almost twice as easy to influence than men with directed advertising. This means greater consumption influence which generates more revenue. The car companies discovered this in the late 90s with truck sales. They started "making trucks that women want to drive". The prices skyrocketed beyond what most men were typically willing to spend. Dodge was quoted as saying they were doing just that. It's smart business honestly. Garbage for societys morale but who cares about that in business?
Society is literally collapsing. Can't spend money in a collapsed society.
Understand that women make most of the consumption decisions and have for decades. Anything financed by advertising that isn't specifically advertising to men is going to be fixed on women.
@@higherground9888 If Society is collapsing then it makes more sense to save money and keep it for emergency, yet the mega success of this movie seems to indicate that people will keep on engaging in consumerism and materialism, and keep making bad financial choices without any long term thinking.
@@saintofkillers2488 That's what women do. They no other way. They can spend smartly. But in the end, they will spend.
The Message makes money as long it's directed at the right people.
Love how everyone went right past that terrible Physics IP joke
Yet Chato had to double back and fish for reactions instead of letting his terrible joke die on the vine as it should have. He has got to break that habit.
He missed a great opportunity to suggest they make a movie where Marie Curie discovers some crap about radioactive chemicals and then becomes a superhero girl boss of science and the world because...reasons. The MSheU could even say that one was "based on a true story"!
It was a funny comparison, but their silent dismissal was even funnier.
@@KnuckleHunkybuck It's because the rest of them were too ignorant about science to understand the sarcasm. It's hard to laugh about something when you don't have the first clue about the subject matter.
The 1980s can be viewed as the genesis of a lot of the hard-core marketing and merchandising efforts that we see as the real money makers today. What was incredibly common back then was the "target audience" concept that seems to be so denigrated now. GI Joe was made for boys, My Little Pony for girls, and all was right with the world.
That said, you still found crossover anyway. I may have loved Thundercats and Transformers, but that didn't stop me from also enjoying Jem and the Holograms or the occasional episode of Rainbow Brite.
yeah, making things that appeal to people is a banger thing to do. no sane man or woman would think betraying the people is ever a good idea
All was not right with the world, but it’s even worse now.
This is where the failing comes in - the incorrect view imo - is to look at it and go "just don't insert that into MY franchise"
The Barbie movie taught that if men try and act independent they are in the wrong, they need to be slavishly devoted to women, anything else is Patriarchy and it ruined quite a lot of relationships too.
Do people seriously not see the freight train level of bad going off the scales insane if this same mentality is marketed to every branch of female focused films? Polly Pocket where they discuss how they're being imprisoned by the men, a She-Ra movie that makes the Horde a total 100% male oppressive unit, on and on and on the message of "you are fine on your own, you don't need no man and will be happy."
it's culture suicide - and part of me is perfectly okay with it for how blind people seem to be about it.
Couldn't agree more. The short sightedness of the "just don't put it on my franchise" is unbelievable
It also destroyed the dating market. Be prepared to receive the question "what did you think about the Barbie movie". It's crazy and no answer will get you to the next level. A positive answer bans you to the shadow realm and negative will spark a tyrade. It might be the women I dated?
@@Di4bloN0ir it's a maybe on the women you've dated, but the problem is now that the pool of women that are identical in personality to the women you've dated is far larger now than it was even 10 years ago, it's why I am hesitant to say "no it isn't."
but the safest option for any guy when asked that is to just cash your chips in and realise she's already a lost cause, to say you don't watch movies and only read books and move on.
Barbie is CLEARLY not what your take is and 1.4 billion dollars say otherwise.
Female centric films are not "dangerous' to society as much as racist John Wayne films were.
@@Di4bloN0ir Can't go wrong being honest. Is she doesn't respect your opinion move on.
Barbie was successful because of brand name alone. People were gonna see it because she's that much of a cultural icon, and regardless of the quality, audiences would flock to the theater just to see it out of spite.
So they paid big money to spite someone? What? 😆
No, Barbie was successful because Ryan Gosling was in it lol
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@@LordVader1094lol true true
Explain what's happening to star wars, then.
Mass Effect would make for a thrilling series - just imagine spending an entire episode watching the protagonist walk back and forth from one side of the space station to the other to deliver messages between two people, never mind all of the episodes where he flies from one side of the universe to the other to do the same - thrilling!
Don't forget the drama that would arise from the main character punching - or _not_ punching - the reporter lady.
So mandalorian?
Why Barbie succeeded: the same reason why Twilight made money
Well done. You are now a better reviewer than everyone on this panel
@@criticalcommenter taming one’s pride isn’t an easy thing to do.
Because Rachel Lefevre the redhead makes a gorgeous witch? What? I don't get it.
@@AncestorEmpire1 hit after hit. You're nailing it
@@criticalcommenter I watched Randy vs BatDad before making my comments.
Barbie's successful for the same reason Twilight and 50shades were successful - they knew their target audience and catered to them.
You mean teen and adult females, right?
You are right. Messaging aside thats really what a movie's success often hedges on. Why we see so many flops for years now is because the films kept failing to cater to the audiences they should have been largely due to someone outside the actual demographic trying to blunt force it into catering to a completely different group. Obviously the end result is a product that fails to mesh with anyone.
And the cunts making movies about the stuff we love also know their target audience, and choose to do exactly what it takes to infuriate us.
Everyone to Barbie animated movies: "Perhaps we treated you too harshly."
Wdym? The Barbie movie is more successful than basically every single Barbie animated movies. So no, no one is treating the animated movies too harshly given the movie's huge success 😂
I don’t think the movie was bad at all
The animateds weren't hyperfeminist, AFAIK. They were schmaltzy and saccharine sweet and out-of-touch girl fantasy, but at least they lacked malice. I'm thinking that's the OP's point.
Literally no one said this
@@mercurialfunk And yet over 25 people actually upvoted this. Hilarious 😆
You will never go broke by trashing men in a movie, book, or tv show.
It's all woke, but Barbie tapped in women's misandry.
Most new shows and movies are blatantly misandrist.
@@kaj7135 Sure, but Barbie was specifically made for women and marketed to women with misandry, which isn't a common tactic. Mostly they use men's franchises and try to disguise the misandry.
@@Atheismo9760exactly. They can do that in a long standing famale franchise, but doing it franchise that's always had a mostly male audience is a sure failure. It won't attract a new audience but the existing one will dump it.
@@mikerude5073exactly, Barbie was a franchise forgirls by girls, so there's little to change. Almost every other franchise you can think of is a guy's show (or open to all) being forced to wear an ill-fitting identity politics suit.
Which women?
I think an aspect that’s overlooked is that the lead was a beautiful woman. I guarantee looking pretty was half the draw for an ordinary watcher. Hollywood seems to have forgotten attractive actors bring in dollars too.
The main lesson the should (and probably won't be learned) is that when you cater to the audience the IP is made for, it will likely be very successful... I know, what a shock. But before anyone gets too worried about the wrong lesson being learned here, do remember... Barbie is one "too unfair idea of what real life women are" argument away from the very audience it caters to completely ripping it apart, just like they used to before. Barbie had been vilified by these same people because of girl's self-image issues before and we know that they love nothing more than to have a dragon to slay, an enemy to fight, a battle to win. So before you know it, while Barbie is being championed now, they will ultimately turn on her, it's just a matter of time.
Interesting viewpoint. The movie is very much anti-family and anti-motherhood. I don't think this movie's prime audience - Feminists, left leaning liberals have any children or are planning to have them in the future nor I think it made many parents excited to buy Barbie dolls for their little girls in the future so I expect the Barbie doll sales to fall off in the future despite whatever boost this movie have provided for now.
Anime is another one thats gonna see a surge. Japanese Culture is so popular that Hollywood can't resist not exploiting. And, like video games, we're getting a new generation of creatives who grew up with it and actually want to make good products.
The thing is that hollyweird already muddied the waters with Dragonball Evolution.
Funny how Platoon was talking about Einstein in One Piece when that's EXACTLY where the manga is currently at.
Yes and the fact is that they have already done adaptations of popular forms of entertainment and in recent years they have had a lot more failures then successes(Barbie is the only that made a profit out of being a live action of a popular toy brand) and there are a more then a few cringe moments in Barbie and the best character in that film is Ken.
Arcane and Cyberpunk Edgerunners were hits due to them not shoving the message down our throats and poisoning the story with it and Barbie was untested and Margo Robbie was considered box office poison(due to her last 4 films being flops) and got lucky with Barbie being a popular brand among the female audience spanning decades(You need to check out Ruth Handler’s interview explaining why she made the Barbie doll).
The whole fucking movie was nothing but cringe, and Mattel has lied about the origins of the doll for years.
@@Attmay They got lucky due to the brand and that is it. I never said that it didn't have cringe.
i mean I'm a barbie fan growing up, you have to give a little credit the marketing was well done and they knew it's audience but even I had problems with films how characters were OUT of character, I thought barbie from toy story 3 was way more empowering than this version
The nuclear physicist bit was pure gold. This guy better be well paid for his talent.
It was dull boomer humour and there's a reason the rest weren't laughing at it.
A Red Dead Redemption TV adaptation by HBO or maybe Paramount could be epic.
Video game adaptations are definitely going to increase. They haven't completely figured out how to do it, but they're getting closer. And spin-offs like Arkane and Cyberpunk Edgerunners show that at the very least there's potential adapting the worlds from these games, if not the stories.
I'm definitely curious about what they do with Fallout. That's a great series to adapt as it's entirely about world-building, the actual stories told within the games don't necessarily need to be adapted. They can do whatever they want, really, as long as they're faithful to the world lore.
I could see Megaman going movie crazy. It has the brand name and the gameplay can translate greatly into movie format.
@@frost8077 Or does it? 🤔
11:56 Chato’s sarcasm on the coming Physics genre deserved way more response 😂
I'm shocked it was such a massive hit. I thought the movie was okay but definitely a movie for women and girl boss fans. But it wasn't anything mind blowing. If it had more song and dance like if they put in the Barbie song then it would be pure awesomeness.
The next big thing? Anime. It's already big without Hollywood.
Barbie succeeded because it literally hid the wokeness in the trailers. Also because Gen Z women is so painfully left leaning. So of course they'd like this
imma be real if you went into a barbie movie expecting them not to bring up feminism in some capacity, you are pretty delusional.
even if this movie was made 30 years ago feminism would be a huge part of this, I truly don’t know what you were expecting.
@@cokemaster3710 yeah but it went heavy handed on the femenism that's the point.
@@TropicaIJaynah it really didn’t.
a movie from the 90s would have the same amount of heavy handedness and trying to deconstruct what barbie really means.
this was a good throwback 90s movie, even looked like a real movie unlike most slop these days
@@TropicaIJay don't forget about the guys who also liked the film. Some because of Ryan, others because they saw the film as a joke on feminism.
@@cokemaster3710Most normies didn’t. Stop claiming us. We knew or at Lear t mount of us knew because we’ve been through eh rodeo millions of times. People. Ed to drop this argument.
An accurate Netflix adaptation of Destiny would charge a micro transaction for sound and another for volume control
I wonder if Chris Nolan felt bad/annoyed about his great movie being memed into a relationship with Barbie movie.
Why would he? He probably finds it amused considering his film became successful in spite of it.
Considering that Oppenheimer is a huge success for box office, critics and audiences. That's enough distraction for him from the Barbenheimer memes, he's gonna be just fine. He knows that people loved Oppenheimer, he's grateful by that. Enough said, that's his biggest take away from the Barbenheimer stuff. Why would he feel annoyed? 🤷
$900m box office and major bonuses based on first gross means if he is annoyed, he can at least mop up his tears with dollar bills 😂
I wonder if Critical Drinker is even hearing himself when he lists off all of the virtues for video game movie adaptations, because those were the exact same strengths that Star Wars, Rings of Power & so many other IP's had going for them. Now you expect the same exact people who were paid to adapt those properties to be respectful & accurate to video game brands?
They weren't even able to do that 20 or 30 years ago when they were movie studios & not activist fronts!
As for the unexpected success of "Barbie," I still don't understand that one but there are a couple factors that were not named.
One was the "Barbieheimer" trend. Gen Z, especially the young women, love their "Trending" topics, so that gave this film an unexpected boost but it's probably not something that can be duplicated.
Two, I keep wondering if the film got a boost after "Ken" went viral as an icon of "anti-feminism," making guys who were not interested in seeing it, go see it because they were curious. Which again, is probably not repeatable.
No matter the reason, "Barbie's" success does not bode well for the health of the culture as a whole but there seems to be no curing that.
I'll tell you what every talking head seems to have missed: memes. It was the memes. Once the "literally me" Gosling was announced in Barbie, we had Barbie memes for the better part of a year before the movie dropped. Whether you ingested memes through FB/IG or 4Chan, Barbenheimer memes flooded the meme economy. It was zero shock that Barbie put up big box office numbers if you spent enough time looking at memes in your daily life. How that seemingly never comes up in this communities speculation is beyond me.
Barbie is CLEARLY not as toxic as you make it out to be.
In fact, racist John Wayne movies are far worse but it's OK since it's an American guy in the lead (just imagine how women felt back then) .
Barbie is a feminist movie but it isn't anti-men and ken proves it . . .
@@randomhuman97 they tried they're best that it's about "equality", the flawed side of this film is this movie had more critiques of patriarchy than matriarchy, every time ken felt down it was either used for comedy or to make him a villain (well kinda only for few minutes in this film) but with barbie her concerns are obviously taken seriously, overall as a barbie fan growing up I could go on about how deeply flawed this film is but if people like this movie I wouldn't bother.
oh and the claims about this movie being "anti-man", it's a yes & no and the john wayne character, never watched the movie but heard how a lot of people disliked this character in this generation.
@@randomhuman97 "movies made 6 decades ago were not politically correct so it's ok that feminist write constant drivel that shows how creatively devoid they are, and seemingly ignores the fact the civil rights era ever happened"
Fallout is perfect TV show material. It's a rich world, with complex lore, lot's of cool stories, and it's visually interesting and unique too. If they do just a decent job, it could be as big as Game of Thrones.
And you may said nuclear physics as a joke, but it's not. The development of the bomb is actually a fascinating story, with high stakes, lots of explosions, tension, danger, intrigue, spies, and dozens of interesting characters.
It could either be a TV show with easily 5-7 seasons. Or even a cinematic universe, where we see the story of each main character, and then they join together to build the ultimate weapon and save the world. And if you think that the character stories would be boring, just remember that most of them were fleeing from the Nazis, often at the last possible minute, and traveling in that era was in itself a dangerous adventure. And the scientists themselves are interesting too, most of them are famous (Albert Einstein, John von Neumann, Hans Bethe, Edward Teller, Richard Feynman, Enrico Fermi, Leo Szilard, etc.).
The more I think about it, the more I want to watch this.
Fun fact: Disney actually had women as a core audience, they didn’t need to find them. When they bougth Marvell and SW, they could have finally conquere the male audinece, and they would have a full package covering both side. Instead they choose to feminize the boy brands.
But... why?!
i was thinking about that bc walt disney's works mostly appealed to young girls, growing up me and my friends would talk about disney movies we loved watching compared to guys we knew barely talked about it, now disney's female audience is 50% and the male audience is about 40 or 44% mainly bc they started to own SW and marvel.
@@Femmeaesthetic right? I remember flipping through the old movies, and it was a consistent theme that Disney was experimenting with all kinds of movies, but the ones targeted clearly to boys (Sword in the Stone, Robin Hood) were the ones I had never heard of, and the Princess moves and "neutral animal movies" were the topical classics. Buying Lucas Film to fill the gap would have made sense...
Never seen the film and never want to.
If H-Wood was smart they’d appeal to men…but not tell anyone in the media. They’d make a bunch of money.
You are all over thinking it. Barbie is massive, girls like Barbie, girls go to see Barbie. It would have made the same amount with or without the message.
Well, that's true, but when was it cool to say you like Barbie?
Legally blonde was basically Barbie goes to law school: those 2 LB movies made big money back over a decade ago.
It's the bubblegum pop aesthetic, mixed with girl fantasy (not feminism). No one cares for the politics Gerwig put in, Robbie doesn't even deserve credit (all her prior movies have flopped). There's been a market for this for years, Hollywood just hasnt cottoned on to it, yet.
Barbie was a bit of a fluke, but LB got there first.
What's the difference between girl fantasy and feminism? What's the real difference really?
Legally blonde was actually good though
@higherground9888 Why do you say Legally Blonde was a good movie/book though?
Dude I would love a Destiny series. You could show some dark age stories, you could bring some famous lore stories to life. Allow me to tell you the story of Jaren Ward, Shin Malphur, And Dredgen Yor... The Thorn and the Last Word.
Surprised none of you brought up the FNAF movie when talking about video game adaptations, it's been in production for 8 years and is coming out later this month
If video game adaptions are the next big thing, maybe we'll finally get that Sly Cooper movie!
_Barbie_ succeeded despite being woke because the audience was either bitter feminists with a persecution complex who agreed with the messaging or fangirls entirely too young and/or dense to pick up on it in the first place. Putting that shit into action, sci-fi, and fantasy stories will continue to fail, but I don't expect Hollywood to ever learn that.
Imagine the *Mario Movie* having identity politics... UGH.😬
I've enjoyed it and I'm neither of the things you said. To me, it was a parody of woke ideology. It was hilarious 😂😂😂. I know that this was not the director's intention, but hey, that's how it came across to me. I couldn't stand the spoilt brat, and her mum, and most of the Barbies. At the end, Ken was my favourite character.
@@angelaguidolin4822 _"I've enjoyed it and I'm neither of the things you said."_
That's nice, but you were nevertheless surrounded on all sides of the theater by people who were.
It's not a parody; I can assure you people like Greta Gerwig are dead-fucking-serious and they believe every single word they say. It just seems like a parody because it's an inherently vile and moronic ideology, so there's no way to present it in a manner that appeals to someone who thinks critically or has a worldview that isn't completely guided by vindictiveness, envy and spite.
@@angelaguidolin4822 You might have seen it that way. But I know a number of women in real life who loved it because to them it had a powerful message about the struggles of being a woman in a male dominant world. They did NOT see it as a parody.
This is lite rally cope on a Massive level, it really kill you the idea that a movie that doesnt have a message you like did well?
There is a very useful mindset in technology: "Keep it simple". You don't need to bloat or overthink things sometimes, just keep it simple, and it will work.
It succeeded on the name alone that, misleading trailers and people seeing it out of spite.
imagine paying $15+ to see something out of spite.
thats weirdo behavior
@cokemaster3710 Your friends, girlfriend or wife dragging you to a movie you don't want to see?
You have to make sacrifices in any friendship or relationship, even if it means seeing something you normally wouldn't.
@@cokemaster3710 To be honest, it's £5 in the UK for a ticket. And trust me, people will do a ton out of spite.
@@ccateni28 getting dragged to movie ≠ going out of way to see it out of spite
@@CmdrBrannick use that money to watch something good instead, then that person gets to make more good movies and you get to see less bad movies get made. its a win win
The Barbie success isn't assured, myself I would look at the sales of the dolls over the next few years to see what the real effect is of the movie. Yeah, a lot went to see it but I have heard that many long time Barbie fans were not really happy coming out of it. Movies like this are to push sales of the merchandise, so in the end it will be the sales long term going forward that will determine if this movie was a success. Only time will tell if this long commercial was good for the sales of the dolls or not.
Barbie was close to a one-hit wonder, because every woman of every age and every culture responds well to Barbie. Barbie would appeal to females 100 times more than Wonder Woman.
Barbie is an empty vessel, and every female can project her 'status fantasies' and 'imaginary-center-of-attention musings' onto a session of Barbie playtime. The status fantasy and the glamor and the beauty are what is important, not the skin tone or nationality.
Huh? Why does Barbie appeal to female audiences far more than Wonder Woman?
@@rustyshackelford4224 for the reason that Barbie is an empty shell that a girl can project her hopes and dreams into. I guess due to your IQ, you missed that the first time around.
More movies based around toys and board games. Can't wait for Risk the movie 😆
Yeah, I concur with Drinker, video game tie ins. They already have a lore and a customer base. Also some role playing games could be ripe for film tie ins. Something like Twilight 2000 would be pretty amazing. Alternative timeline like The Man in the High Castle, except with cold war warfare with a fictional world war three in the year 2000. A group of American service personnel stuck in a nuclear blasted Europe trying to get back home to America. Cheers.
I'm terrified of the thought that if video game adaptations are indeed the next big thing, disney-lucasfilm goes ahead and fucks up the KOTOR game(s) in the future. I swear I'll be leaving this planet if that happens
If anything can tear the gamers away from their controllers for even five minutes (and I'm not sure anything can), it's got to be a movie about a video game.
Arcane and castlevania proved its possible
Wanting video games as movies and tv is like wanting the novelization of movies and tv complete with the middle of the book screengrabs
What Disney has been doing is the equivalent of creating a Barbie sequel where Barbie is out-matched in every way by the male Barbie - Barber! Barber is cooler than everyone. He has lots of male admirers and even more females longing for him, who he treats as a joke. How popular would Barbie/Barber be with women and girls? Would they be sexist for not being interested?
And then in the comics Barber turns out to be bi (since turning him gay would be too big a retcon)
I had to watch this twice because I got caught up watching Endymion's dog!😍
The fact that barbie succeeded is just proof that we weren't meant to make it as a species...
Nah. Every species has individuals that need to be weeded out, and feminists are happily doing this to themselves.
😄
10:57 Warhammer 40,000 has 45 years worth of lore and stories, books, video games (e.g. Space Marine, DOW I-IV, Space Hulk, Final Liberation, etc...), Table top games, board games, and shows from GW's own channel. With that much source material it will most likely be based off a novel or established lore than a video game.
I keep forgetting what the overarching plot of Warhammer even is about inthe first place? LOL!
The whole movie dumps on men, no wonder it's so popular
(hasn’t seen it)
@@cokemaster3710It does though. Stop defending misandrist garbage, soyboy.
@@cokemaster3710 (is brainwashed to not see message)
@@HonkHonkler (has not seen movie but feels the need to contribute to conversations about it for some reason)
Dumps on men?? Bro it literally gives us Allan, how's that dumping on men? Lmao, so obvious you didn't see the movie 😂
Hollywood always thinks it's the window dressing that makes a movie successful. Jaws becomes a hit; not because of writing, or the telling of a good story or a sense of place- as far as the executives are concerned, it was the shark attacks. And that's what they concentrated on. They absolutely cannot see that the IP in itself that makes it popular but the creative forces behind it.
Hollywood has to learn the right lessons from movies like Mario Bros, though, or they'll just screw this up yet again: be faithful to the original game franchise, have people who are fans of the games be the ones to make the movies, and listen to the fans. If you heed those three rules, then you can make a hugely successful game adaptation. Fail to heed them, and you'll piss off the fans and lose tons of money.
It would doom them even harder
I see Paul was drafting the next Frantics sketch with his Oppenheimer comment 😂
Imposing feminine perspectives on stories that feature male archetypes, makes about as much sense as men insisting on having martial arts and gunplay in a romantic film like The Notebook. If the mismatch would seem revolting to women who love that film, then it should come as no surprise that men don't care for feminist propaganda being included in superhero, sci-fi and action films.
This needs to be pinned.
My head must be a nail, because you hit it.
@@TheRealNormanBates Thank you for the generous compliment.
Yep
Rutherford might actually make for a decent biopic. He was a legendary arrogant asshole and has a impressive collection of hilarious quotes.
There's already a Devil May Cry anime. It came out, what, 12 or 13 years ago? I would say it's worth the watch. I don't have Netflix so I don't know what this new DMC will be like.
11:36 Rutherford's experiment was about *alpha particles* (helium ions), and was used to prove that most of the positive charge of an atom was concentrated in the nucleus. Accuracy to the source material, which in this case was a number of different foils, not just gold.
Y'all are such men, no issue with that at all but Chato is right.
Barbie wasn't successful because of it's message.
It was successful because for once it let women be women.
The message is obviously terrible but most women weren't going to see it for commentary.
They were going to see it for the chance to dress up with their girls and have a fun time.
This is just Black Panther but for women.
Be careful what you wish for, I think we can safely say that the chances of it being anything at all like the Mass Effect We Know and Love are somewhere in the realm of approaching Zero.
Imagine all the toy/video game properties that, if done right, can make them tons of money. As long as the IP is respected and handled correctly, it can literally be 90 mins of spectacle and do big numbers, ex: the mario movie.
Hot Wheels, Bratz, Legend of Zelda, maybe even company mascots like the Kool-aid man can be like the cartoons of old that were just extended commercials, but we still loved them!
At the very least, it could be done without hurting the brand. Even bad tie-ins that flop could earn a cult following as long as it doesn't antagonize the audience.
Eh, with Hot Wheels, the only thing you could do is just make a racing movie and slap the name on it.
Mass Effect has already had a TV show. It was called Babylon 5.
Lol!
You made an IP, intended to a women , wrote by women, direct by women of course it will succeed. They IP is perfect match of the core value they wanted to tell and lecture, so it works.
Just like telenovela/soap opera, its the same n-th time of story being told and told again, but they specifically made it for the audience that love it and knew what they expect.
Now lets just rolled it upside down, Imagine if a barbie move are not about independent barbie, but the story about Ken looking to emancipate his existence in barbie world. Or a soap opera that become macho, action oriented TV series with gun, explosion, bromance and all that didnt match with how soap opera used to be. Thats literally what happened with franchise Marvel owned this couple of years back.
"M-She-U" -- LOL!!!
It never occurred to me that Disney was always catered to little girls. It was always about the princesses and anything for boys was collateral. Then they takeover Star Wars and Marvel - both catered primarily to boys and men and think they could get away with appropriating it for the princesses. It’s appalling and Disney deserves to be thrown on the scrap heap now.
The Marvel movies appealed to girls too - especially to the nerdy ones... to get to a broader audience (both male & female) you need superfical bait like big explosions, a lot of humor and a bit of sexual stimuli like Scarlett J. in a tight outfit or a topless scene for Chris H.
I just knew Chato was going to bring up Neils Bohr once he brought up Oppenheimer
I know he was being sarcastic, but I was genuinely excited at the thought.
I'm actually tired of watching this community try to figure out The Barbenheimer success. Anyone who ingested meme's via social media KNOWS why. Whether some sly intern was to thank or it happened naturally, we had nearly a YEAR of memes around the release of Barbie. They took the guy who has been the face of "literally me" memes for the last handful of years and shoved him into their movie. There was zero chance no one was going to notice. Even on the basket weaving image board, you can still find Barbie images being tossed around. It's nothing to deconstruct. It was successful viral marketing, born from relevant casting, mixed with an absurd movie concept. Even the Zoomers in my family went to go see it for the lulz and not cause they gave a shit lol.
Yep. For the memes.
Eras Tour helped a lot too. Women were still coming off the high TSwift’s world tour which was a smash success. The pump was primed.
@@shanonsnyder9450 I'mma be honest with you, I don't know what tour you;re talking about lol
Face it, Barbie was a god awful film but the amount of marketing hype around it was like I have never seen. You couldn't turn on the TV without being bombarded by messaging about it. Conversely a lot of people who actually went to see it off the back of the hype came away thinking it was pretty lousy and wished they hadn't bothered. Sure there are some who will warm to the kind of divisive girl boss misandry in the film but this isn't a large audience and I doubt Barbie 2 will be that successful, this was a hype based one hit wonder.
How could such a monstrously hate-mongering and spiteful travesty of a movie like Barbie make that much money?!? Says a lot about the state of the world.
Misandrists with a victimhood complex that think men have it “easy”
As far as the women I've spoken to about seeing it, they're all mothers with daughters about the same age as the two characters. That's the part they latched into. I couldn't see how any of it was remotely enthralling but that appears to be the demographic loving it.
Probably in the same way women won’t date you.
@@tdyblgm24 Still doesn’t change his point tho
I watched it for Ken.
Twenty years from now, Margot Robbie and a bunch of other aging big-ticket actresses are going to get together to make one last film... The Barbendables. About disposable dolls who are sent on one last suicide mission to sock one out to the evil Patriarchy.
Thing is: Barbie could have been nothing but Magot Robbie tap dancing and farting for 90 minutes and it would have been a massive hit. Barbie is as big as it is because of the toy, not the strength of the film
That certainly plays into it, but women wouldn’t have been walking out of the film singing its praises if ThE MeSsAgE didn’t resonate with them.
That's my point. They don't even know what message they're repeating. It's got Barbie. It's live action. The fact that the plot is paint by numbers and all the characters are cookie cutout characatures never resonates.
Look at Black Panther for example. The first movie was a standard introduction movie. And yet, it was called "oscar worthy" by so many just because of who the character was. This is the exact same thing.
Barbie proved that women want to see women who act like women exploring what life as a woman can be like in fun and imaginative ways. Even at its preachiest, it was still ironic and funny.