A very interesting run, thank you! I was wondering the same if putting the last aghs into arcane bolt is worth anything given how weak the spell is. Your upgrade made me think whether cheese/cookies gives any points like the rest of drops. Guess I will be off to testing out this theory in my future runs. It seems like any killed creep/coin/bag of gold gives you 70 points (echelon lvl*10). It cheese/cookies (and chests+magnets for that matter) give you points, then it could be worth spending the last point into the kisses Also it's a very sleek idea to die during the boss fight to give her some time. Great thinking! Love it!
Everything gives you 70 points (echelon lvl*10) is what I assume as well. There might be exceptions (purple and red exp for example, or unique monsters), but I am not sure. Considering this I am not expecting much from cookies. Assuming those are just 70 points, not even from every monsters killed by Mortimer (which is rare on it's own for late game). Considering that killing monster is 70 points, and it drops 70 points worth XP crystal, and there is a chance for multiple coin drops. Arcane Bolt is not impressive. But with Trident and Khanda, being a projectile, it might inflict meaningful damage. It might be significant last minute damage wise and helpful survival wise thanks to push back. But I won't bet my money on either of these =)
@@PilgrimStream I think I have an idea, which I'm going to try now It's using kez skiles Centauro bounty axe pango basic I think that if we get to the boss and we don't hit anything but the bugs, we could farm the 2m Since the strength skiles you have to be close. Although the pangolier has quite a lot of area, I suppose I could use another item to get there.
It didn't work, the bugs only give gold and it's hard to kill them, plus I see the boss getting harder each time, it throws more and more meteors and then throws about 3 stronger and faster meteors. =(
Apex and Chasm are 2 best items that left after OC, Array, Trident, and Khanda. Taking bat does not make chasm bad last item, in my opinion. So yeah, chasm is good to go for at around min 6:00 - right before you exit the corridor. diff is amount of points gained in that minute: basically current points minus points at previous minute.
I described this in depth in Tips&Tricks video. There are at least 2 mobs, that if de-spawns will not re-spawn. Satyr is one of them. If you walk to far from him - he will de-spawn. And you won't see him again.
@@PilgrimStream Oh wow, i just saw that video now... cool stuff. My high score is 1.85 right now...If i can ask some other questions, what does Bag of gold do? And if u just look at the spell descriptions, shouldn't arcane bolt do almost as much or more damage than venge missile? I feel that spell is also bugged... I tried maxxing it and it gave horrible damage numbers... too bad to be justified...
@@DeadWaits Arcane Bolt is pretty bad. It has lower damage in description and it's piercing is like bouncing, but it does not target monsters - it's just a straight line, so if there are no monsters in a line - it is less effective. Bags of gold give you gold and a little bit of points. I've heard first 6 "Bag of Gold"s give you more points. But I don't really into knowing how exactly they work. I know that skipping 6th skill is not worth it. And there is not much else you can do around Bags of Gold.
You need to destroy more vases. To destroy more vases you need to leave and revisit vase spawn places. That's pretty much it. I do have games where there more magnets and where there are less magnets. It's just a chance
Mortimer's Kisses are super effective for Skeleton Waves at 2:30-3:15 and 4:00-4:45 (there is one more wave, which is significantly smaller at 5:45-6:15). After these waves Mortimer is not as effective. Unfortunately, I was not able to max out Mortimer before the 4:45. So I decided to focus on preparing other skills - more appropriate ones for upcoming waves.
Mortimer's Kisses are super effective for Skeleton Waves at 2:30-3:15 and 4:00-4:45 (there is one more wave, which is significantly smaller at 5:45-6:15). After these waves Mortimer is not as effective. Unfortunately, I was not able to max out Mortimer before the 4:45. So I decided to focus on preparing other skills - more appropriate ones for upcoming waves.
Beating Echelon 7 and scoring as much points as possible are 2 different tasks =) I would suggest you to take Vengeful Spirit (instead of Sky). Aim for Axe, Pango, PA daggers, and Bounty. Aghs for Bounty/Pango/PA. From Items: Heart, Daedalus, Octarine Core. This build is aimed at survival and pretty good at it. that will be much easier to finish Echelon 7. Scoring high score - is not about surviving =) It's about killing mobs as soon as they spawn, so new ones will spawn faster.
I found out that picking up magnet at the last second doesnt do anything. I thought it did too but when the 1st part of game ends at 13:00, you get lots of score at imperia which was very random. I would typically get 50-70k When i had snotty, i got like 10k which left me to believe that it acts like a magnet already when time hits 13:00
From my data you get around 73K points on transition to Imperia. If you get magnet in the last second - you will get 93K for example (this is what happened in this video)
A very interesting run, thank you!
I was wondering the same if putting the last aghs into arcane bolt is worth anything given how weak the spell is. Your upgrade made me think whether cheese/cookies gives any points like the rest of drops. Guess I will be off to testing out this theory in my future runs. It seems like any killed creep/coin/bag of gold gives you 70 points (echelon lvl*10). It cheese/cookies (and chests+magnets for that matter) give you points, then it could be worth spending the last point into the kisses
Also it's a very sleek idea to die during the boss fight to give her some time. Great thinking! Love it!
Everything gives you 70 points (echelon lvl*10) is what I assume as well. There might be exceptions (purple and red exp for example, or unique monsters), but I am not sure.
Considering this I am not expecting much from cookies. Assuming those are just 70 points, not even from every monsters killed by Mortimer (which is rare on it's own for late game). Considering that killing monster is 70 points, and it drops 70 points worth XP crystal, and there is a chance for multiple coin drops.
Arcane Bolt is not impressive. But with Trident and Khanda, being a projectile, it might inflict meaningful damage. It might be significant last minute damage wise and helpful survival wise thanks to push back.
But I won't bet my money on either of these =)
Forgot to mention: the "die during the boss" idea was brought to me by viewers =)
@@PilgrimStream
I think I have an idea, which I'm going to try now
It's using kez
skiles
Centauro
bounty
axe
pango
basic
I think that if we get to the boss and we don't hit anything but the bugs, we could farm the 2m
Since the strength skiles you have to be close.
Although the pangolier has quite a lot of area, I suppose I could use another item to get there.
It didn't work, the bugs only give gold and it's hard to kill them, plus I see the boss getting harder each time, it throws more and more meteors and then throws about 3 stronger and faster meteors. =(
@ I am not into getting points using bugs or cheats, sorry.
2M video still not uploaded. 🤔
I need to make one first =)
That was a really nice experiment. We can see that chasm is really essential on making 2 milion. I have a doubt: in the list, what means "diff"?
Apex and Chasm are 2 best items that left after OC, Array, Trident, and Khanda. Taking bat does not make chasm bad last item, in my opinion. So yeah, chasm is good to go for at around min 6:00 - right before you exit the corridor.
diff is amount of points gained in that minute: basically current points minus points at previous minute.
What do you mean wait for big satyr? If you move he doesn't spawn?
I described this in depth in Tips&Tricks video. There are at least 2 mobs, that if de-spawns will not re-spawn. Satyr is one of them.
If you walk to far from him - he will de-spawn. And you won't see him again.
@@PilgrimStream Oh wow, i just saw that video now... cool stuff. My high score is 1.85 right now...If i can ask some other questions, what does Bag of gold do? And if u just look at the spell descriptions, shouldn't arcane bolt do almost as much or more damage than venge missile? I feel that spell is also bugged... I tried maxxing it and it gave horrible damage numbers... too bad to be justified...
@@DeadWaits Arcane Bolt is pretty bad. It has lower damage in description and it's piercing is like bouncing, but it does not target monsters - it's just a straight line, so if there are no monsters in a line - it is less effective.
Bags of gold give you gold and a little bit of points. I've heard first 6 "Bag of Gold"s give you more points. But I don't really into knowing how exactly they work. I know that skipping 6th skill is not worth it. And there is not much else you can do around Bags of Gold.
are there any tricks to get magnets so often when i play they are very rarely dropped in some runs i only get 1 you starts with.
You need to destroy more vases. To destroy more vases you need to leave and revisit vase spawn places. That's pretty much it.
I do have games where there more magnets and where there are less magnets. It's just a chance
Why didnt u max out kisses when you had many chances?
Mortimer's Kisses are super effective for Skeleton Waves at 2:30-3:15 and 4:00-4:45 (there is one more wave, which is significantly smaller at 5:45-6:15). After these waves Mortimer is not as effective. Unfortunately, I was not able to max out Mortimer before the 4:45. So I decided to focus on preparing other skills - more appropriate ones for upcoming waves.
i just got 1982,820 i think thats the end for me ( with book last item and lvl 62 )
That is a great score! Well done!
Lvl 62 is incredible, i don't think I've seen anything above 59 before
why did you not take the max level of kisses for awhile.
Mortimer's Kisses are super effective for Skeleton Waves at 2:30-3:15 and 4:00-4:45 (there is one more wave, which is significantly smaller at 5:45-6:15). After these waves Mortimer is not as effective. Unfortunately, I was not able to max out Mortimer before the 4:45. So I decided to focus on preparing other skills - more appropriate ones for upcoming waves.
@@PilgrimStream Trying to beat nest of thorns level 7 for the first time. gotten really close with a similar build but died in the last minute :/
@ Also why doesnt anyone use io spirits anymore?
Beating Echelon 7 and scoring as much points as possible are 2 different tasks =)
I would suggest you to take Vengeful Spirit (instead of Sky). Aim for Axe, Pango, PA daggers, and Bounty. Aghs for Bounty/Pango/PA. From Items: Heart, Daedalus, Octarine Core. This build is aimed at survival and pretty good at it. that will be much easier to finish Echelon 7.
Scoring high score - is not about surviving =) It's about killing mobs as soon as they spawn, so new ones will spawn faster.
Can you get sangeyashakaya tarasque kanda in one game?
You surely can. But Tarasque is no help for having more points
I found out that picking up magnet at the last second doesnt do anything.
I thought it did too but when the 1st part of game ends at 13:00, you get lots of score at imperia which was very random. I would typically get 50-70k
When i had snotty, i got like 10k which left me to believe that it acts like a magnet already when time hits 13:00
From my data you get around 73K points on transition to Imperia.
If you get magnet in the last second - you will get 93K for example (this is what happened in this video)
gj! I have done 1.8M using ur strat, wonder if 2M is possible with laguna blade instead of Snotty, maybe it'll kill imperia faster than we want to idk
Well done mate! I have a video with 1.998M - so 2M is surely possible :)