Cleveland QLD - Why did it FAIL?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Despite its calm, sunny and pleasant manner today, Cleveland was once at the forefront of a battle to decide where the major port on Moreton Bay would be.
#cleveland #grandviewhotel #queensland
Great video Rob. Yes the history of Qld regarding trains is confusing and goes like this: Taxpayers fund building of railway in 19th century - 20th century politician says cars and roads are needed not rail and taxpayers fund complete removal - 50 years later politician finds now too many cars and taxpayer funds putting the trains back at much greater cost.
Not quite what really happens is the trucking companies pay of lobby groups to call for roads
read the history of Urungan station, interesting.
Yep! Spot on 😢
Extraordinary. These productions are infinitely more interesting than anything commissioned by Qld Govt. Keeps history alive. Keep up the great work 👍
@ashthegreat1 thanks indeed for that! I have so much fun making these
Id love to see yr work on Macleay Island and the other SMBI’s. Their stories are rich and need telling 👍
yeh, this dude is good......does his research and impressive video footage and topic (and editing / production).....walking the suburbs gives real validity. Brisbane has some real shitty history and some real shitty boring land mass / suburbs. I live in Sunshine Coast now, but I lived in Brisbane for 50 years (Woolloongabba (when Norman Hotel still served beer through a hole on Ipswich Rd), Park Ridge (1980s), Holland Park West, Belmont, Holland Park, Upper Mt Gravatt, Boronia Heights, Salisbury, Coopers Plains, Toowong, Ascot, Clayfield, Coorparoo, Wishart, Camp Hill, Kenmore Hills, Mt Ommaney, Chelmer, Bulimba). I drove Cabs in the mid 90s for 3 years. WalkaboutWithRob should hire me on a retainer (I'll be happy with a pie and iced coffee for the day). 😅😅🤣
Brilliant. Waiting for this one. Lived here for 25 years and learnt more than I thought I might have. A testament to your research and rigour.
@ASCM thank you most kindly. Really glad you got something out of it.
Wow Rob, so so much in this video to comment on that I don't know where to begin. You have mastered the art of making an area fascinating with your voice-overs, research and humour. I just love the camera shots at the end, you have an eye for the small details. It was very sweet of you to say Hi to Stephens' Mum. You looked like you really enjoyed making this one regardless of killer magpies and dingbats 😁
I gotta say I love those sunglasses 🕶 😊
@shellebelle53 I really did have fun with this one! The first day was a bit flat with all the dull weather, but I was getting good stuff, but the next day's filming was bright and sunny and I was beside myself with joy. Doing what I love doing, being free and exploring and learning and sharing it with others. Really glad you enjoyed this one and thanks so much for the cool feedback. Now that I can identify dingbats, I will add them to my atrocity list.
@walkaboutwithrob it definitely translated through to your video and it was lovely to see 😊
Very enjoyable, thank you for featuring our city. My family moved here in 1975, my father when alive was a builder, he moved here because he found himself travelling each day from Brisbane because of the large housing boom which happened in the 70's and the 80's. I find it fascinating the relatively little development that has happened since, e.g. a new motel or any other tourist accommodation has not been built in Cleveland since about 1980's, which is somewhat different to many other areas, where they can't wait to show their home-towns to visitors. To me it is as if the council and residents want to keep their nirvana all to themselves!
I think it’s rad that you got a sponsor!! Hope that money starts to avalanche in, because you deserve every cent!
@SunshineSomeone671 I don't know about an avalanche, more like pocket money but every bit helps.
I was the first QNPWS Ranger on Peel Island from 1993 - 96. My wife and I lived on the Island by ourselves for 18 months or so, then moved to 11 Phillip St in Cleveland. A shame you didn't get down to meet the Groom family at the Water Taxi service. Your vid brought back many memories for me. Thanks very much.
I grew up in Wynnum Manly and spent many a day in Cleveland, yet was mostly oblivious to its history. Thanks for sharing it in such an entertaining manner.
Really enjoyed that. Like the way they have signs and a new one about historical facts. Looks like more to see there than the pubs. Trip and meal soon by looks of it, been awhile. Nice work @WalkaboutWithRob.
@sandramackin9817 thanks!
Great Video.
At 1:06 - the site of Raby Bay Railway station is where Raby Bay Harbour Park is now. As up until the 1990s, the original Raby Bay station building seen at 14:35 sat in the park but was moved due to vandalism and now sits in the Cleveland Historic Linear Park on the site of Cleveland Station.
Cleveland Central had a forkline (triangle) the remains can be lined up with the roundabout of Kinsail Drive. The station was where the Shore Street (Passage Street Bus stop) is.
I remember when the QR was electrified, the destination was “Lota City”, fascinated that the line was extended.
A few years ago, a train overshot the buffers and hit the Cleveland station building.
Congratulations Rob on how well the channel has been doing recently, your consistent effort and infectious passion for history is a pleasure to watch and translates so well into this medium when coupled with your zany personality. You've well and truly found your niche and the potential of your channels future is bright. Thanks for shining a light on places that don't really get much attention in the internet age
My grandfather, Thomas Kirk was the first train driver on the Cleveland line from 1889 to 1910. The family home, Craigielea still stands beside the Courthouse Restaurant. Loved the video.
Great video I went to the Grandview on Father’s Day. Was good, Cleveland has a lot of history..
I lived and worked in Redlands for many years. Cleveland Point is still one of my favourite places to visit.
Great Vid again mate, the council did a mass planning of poincianas in the 1920s, the area is magnificent when they flower. T-rocks
I was just at Queen's Park Toowoomba for the flower festivle on the weekend, where I noticed that the war memorial piller was broken. I've never heard what you said about it symbolising lives cut short. Now I know! Thanks! I've driven past most of those historic buildings so many times and never given them a 2nd thought! Pretty interesting!
Thanks for making all these videos it is awesome hearing about Queenslands history.
Enjoyed the video Rob, growing up nearby it’s great to know a bit more of the history! A video on Wynnum / Manly / Lota would be great!
Thanks Rob, another great video!
Always good stories from our past, cheers.
Thanks Rob, i have launched my boat at Cleveland point a few times and always wondered about the old buildings ive seen, very well done.
In the late nineteen 50s Brisbane still had suburban steam trains to our amazement coming from Sydney . Great video ..
@yvonneb2327 thanks! I too am from Sydney.
I love the Courthouse Restaurant. My wife and I went there for lunch each year on Ekka People's Day; the only day that we had a public holiday while our kids were at school. Filet Mignon followed by Sticky Date Pudding. Mmmmm. Sadly, I haven't been there for over fifteen years.
I dined at the “Lighthouse Restaurant” just this past Sunday ….. 1 doz oysters Mornay & a lobster cocktail, etc 😋 😋
Since Covid it’s now one of South East Brisbane’s BEST - & most scenic - dining spots …..
@margrietoregan828 I had a lovely lunch there last Saturday. Couldn't have been better!
That was a corner store when I was young, I used to get my "5 for one cent" lollies from there...!
Fantastic video! So much great information about our little town, i especially love all the information about old trees. Ill be taking a better look at things next time i pass them 🫶
Stumbled upon your channel, must say mate great videos awesome work
Cleveland is the best area to live in. I first came here in 1985 and worked in Australia after Cleveland and Mansfield also the Cleveland Hotel and the Nurse's House is Hunter ghost well done Cleveland video
I missed Cleveland ❤
Thanks for another interesting, amusing travelogue . Quirky . I love quirk.
@anthonykennedy5324 You're welcome mate! Had fun making this one.
Thanks for the videos mate love it cleveland is the best been here since 86 when I was born .I know of some cool things behind the redlands hospital an ancient aboriginal tree where thay did cercomesisions .and an old army bunker I can show u if your keen
Great work Rob!!💥🙌💪
I found that Cemetery in Lisa street Cleveland in the early 1970's with 3 friends from Cleveland primary school. Buried there are the Sherrin Family, We were responsible for it being recognised, it was gazetted to be Lisa street. straight through what is now the park... I lived in Cleveland from 1965 and know the place like the back of my hand, I was right into Cleveland's early history...
You should come and do a walk though Enoggera and Alderney and Newmarket
8:32 That is a gorgeous church. It would be a great backdrop for wedding photos. Great video. Thank you.
You forgot the bit about the rebuilt train station in 2013 that was slammed into by a train and had to be rebuilt again about a month later.
Also, I'm glad it didn't get turned into a port, I don't think my grandfather would have moved down this way if it had.
Nicely caught - gotta tie all those televised news media reports, lol
one of Queensland's 1st cemetery just off Wellington St, East of the Fire Station in a small park unknown to most
@ninjamoves3642 Oh, when was it established? I always thought the first European cemetery in Queensland was at Eagle Terrace in the City. That was established in 1825, the year the settlement from Redcliffe moved down to the Brisbane River.
@@walkaboutwithrob Cleveland was for many months seen as the site of the 1st settlement before they chose the Brisbane site. There is a small park called Scotts Park which has a few dozen gravesites most unmarked. The Eagle Tce site would be of similar age but the Cleveland site might be bit older. Scotts Park is Heritage listed
@@ninjamoves3642 I'll have to disagree with you this. The Cleveland Pioneer Cemetery aka Scott Street Park was founded in 1858, thirty-three years after the founding of the first cemetery at Eagle Terrace in the City. If the criteria for the oldest cemetery is those that are still in existence, then the Nundah Cemetery predates the Scott Street cemetery as it was begun in the 1840's.
@@walkaboutwithrob a real cemetery that dates back the dawn of time try the strip of bush between Stretton & Toohey Forest .. the area behind Sunnybank Rugby is an ancient burial ground for Jagera ..along Bulimba Ck....the first europeans to step foot on Queensland happened at GJ Walter Park according to whats written on a plaque down there on the foreshore
@@ninjamoves3642 Who were these first Europeans to set foot at the GJ Walter Park?
I've walked on the bottom of the Raby Bay harbour, it was an event before they filled it and they sold shirts which I believe I have one of.... you have informed me about stuff I didn't know about Cleveland despite the fact I grew up there 15+ years. There also used to be a heritage listed blacksmith building but it mysteriously burnt down when the council wouldn't give the owners planning permission to renovate, et cetera :/
Interesting as always Rob! In my sister’s neck of the woods. The Courthouse is a lovely restaurant. 😊
I good idea to have the umbrella for swooping birds and spider webs haha. There couldnt be anything worse than giggling girls at school, how very uncouth! lol Great vid again
Thanks Rob.
A train approaching the current railway station failed to apply its breaks properly. It went straight into the existing buildings at the train station. No one was injured. But all trains approaching the Cleveland Station now travel VERY slowly. Also I believe some of those old buildings near the art gallery were moved there. I walk in that area fairly often. Thanks Rob. Great video.
Haha! Thanks for the shout out to my mum Rob. We had a good laugh!
Excellent idea walking around suburbs and narrating their history. Wish a lot of country towns made videos like yours instead of creating interpretive signage and heritage walks.
Love ur work and history.
Nindigilly Pub is Queensland's oldest hotel located in its original condition and position on the banks of the Moonie River. The license was issued in 1864 after operating as shearer's accommodation for the Nindigully Station.
Great vlog as always. Informative and your quirky style - love it! I can now bore my SIL who lives in the area with all the history 😁 (she’s not a history fan🤣).
I find myself so frequently saying "Yeah? Really!" during your videos. They're so lovely because you handle things delicately. I remember getting stuck in that mud at Clevelend with my Dad the brave Scot holding my hand and not showing his panic. I had fish n chips recently at the shop there, perfect with tartare source but I remember when the Court House Restaurant was really quite the place to go and a bit posh during the 80s. Thanks once again for a lovely experience Rob.
@janeixtar4498 thank you so much for your kind feedback. It seems like Gipps wasn't the only person to get stuck in the mud there! Great fish and chips at the Point and I've recently dined again at the Courthouse. Still quite posh - and the food was delicious. So keen to go back!
Deal me in. @@walkaboutwithrob
Launched off that ramp at the point many times chasing whiting and flathead, the area was ruined by the canal estates, thankyou for the memories
The abandoned building with graffiti on Shore Street E was a Masonic Lodge.
Hi rob,can u tell me who that guitarist was that u played as u left the bathroom?Aww u remembered steven's mum❤ Got a bit surreal at the end there rob..loved the big grin up at the sky xx
That was interesting thanks Rob. I haven't been to Cleveland since the 60's so it looks a lot different to me now.
"Man got swooped by a magpie and now he's dead"
😂🤣
GREAT SHOW ROB!💥🙌💪👊
Thanks!!
I live 5 minutes from Cleveland and really enjoyed this one. It's great you are taking the time to research local history, please keep up the great work. Does Alexandra Hills or Capalaba have any historical significance? Anyway I just subscribed and I'm catching up on your other videos:)
@darrenxw3495 Thank you very much for your kind comment and for subscribing. I am keen on exploring the history of the Capalaba area...
Having lived in the area and worked in Shore street west. I confirm that the dingbat population is concentrated although it is pretty bad throughout any city really. Hence, I’m glad to be away from all that dingbat infestation. Lol
I can't be the only one who clicked this link because they thought it was a video featuring Russel Coight
18:35 Until last week, I had never seen it either until I came across a foaming gum tree. So I had to go look it up online...
"Eucalyptus bark and leaves contain glycosylated alkaloids or isoprenoids called saponins, which foam when wet. They don't emerge from the tree but simply wash off the leaves and bark as natural rain/water washes over it."
What I learned from this video is it was those damned giggling girls that made Cleveland fail
Great video. Cant wait to go back there with a new perspective
Nice video, Warwick (and a few little areas around there) would be a interesting one to cover
He’s done Warwick :)
20:36 This location is where the old lighthouse was situated and in the 70s was replaced by a newer one made of steel and concrete which I remember was a bit of an eyesore - think Soviet-era technology or Jon Pertwee-era Doctor Who. It was dismantled in 2009 for the shooting of The Dawn Treader movie.
i was just there on monday
for a work do / get together..
shame i didn’t see this earlier..
☺️😊😃
thoroughly enjoyed.!
new sub now 😉
✌🏻🌏🇦🇺🤘🏻
Thank you!
Cleveland had the potential. Shame about the terrible mudflats 😢
Same with Redcliffe and Maryborough..
My Grandad was sprinkled on the bay👍🏻
Cleveland rocks!
I used to live next to the Lighthouse Restaurant and am still sad they tore our house down to extend the restaurant.
Great video. May i suggest you look at Redland Bay (close to Cleveland) . And check out the Redland Bay Hotel research wise . It was pretty much Brisbane International Airport re Flying Boats (Sunderlands) . I live on the SMBI's
I hope I don’t run out of history videos to watch from your channel about Brisbane, love them
Really good interesting videos Rob with plenty of historical facts for me a European l live in France near to Paris. Have Australian friends who live in Caboolture have You already done a Video about Caboolture ?
Thanks! No video as yet about Caboolture, though I am keen to this year.
Swooping Magpie Death - That's a headline
@walkaboutwithrob I meant to comment last week, but I watch on my big TV. You and I seem to often tread in similar paths, but somehow are never quite in sync! I was there visiting my sister that weekend. You likely walked past where I used to have a shop ('Allmode Electronics') about 25 years ago, in middle street (aprox where 'Fish on fire' now is - pretty good food there by the way). Still a nice area - I never even noticed a war memorial there, so as always; you teach us something new! PS: my Magpie family says hello ;)
@SteveMack Yes I walked along Middle Street so would have passed where your shop once was. I do recall seeing the Fish on Fire shop too. I'm enjoying my time here; nice house on a canal. You must have some historic family photos of the area.
Unfortunately no, as my sister only moved there within the last 20 years.
I had a giggle at the dingbat comment.
Hey Rob, Can you please do Brookfield and the western suburbs of Brisbane 😊
wow very interesting
Hmmmmmm 😏 Thirty years ago used to be lots of pelicans everywhere around Cleveland & in all of Morton Bay ….. who knows what happened to them. Yeah, yeah, sure, they all went to Kati Thanda-Lake Eyre to breed, but normally they come back !?!?!
Yeah odd..
I miss living in the area.
Hey Rob🌻🍃Expecting you to pop down to the Ferry Terminal ❤Straddy That island time thing for me set your alarm the day before you leave 👍🌴🌊☀️🌺🌈✌️💚😎
@@KimMcIntyre-ou1ew huh??
@@walkaboutwithrob I was loving on Straddie wondered why you didn’t go to the Ferry Terminal
@@KimMcIntyre-ou1ew Well it's probably because I didn't take a trip to Straddie, therefore there was no need to go to the ferry terminal...
Noticed the streets in Cleveland are well planned..
👍🏻 beauty mate
So, Cleveland never failed at all. I looks like it is a thriving little community. It is just the idea of a port there that failed. Cleveland, though, kept on going.
I think you missed the point...it failed at becoming what is now Brisbane City. Yes Cleveland in its own right is thriving but it is not the city that it was intended to be.
@@kidfreejones I think you also miss the point. It was Ipswich that was aiming to be the capital in place of what is now Brisbane city. Cleveland was only intended to be its port. It is the same as the current Port of Brisbane, while Brisbane city is the administrative center. The biggest failure was Ipswich, because it failed to become the administrative center.
Cleveland would have been a poor choice for a port as it turns out, because while suited to the smaller ships of the sail era, it would have become obsolete as ship sizes started to increase, and would have probably needed to be moved to the mouth of the Brisbane River eventually.
@@artistjoh fair points
Awesome.
My grandparents used to live in raby Bay on the canel next to jj richards
Interesting... My son lives a couple of houses away from them on Moreton Island.
@@abettermankind9761 cool
Are dingbats worse than magpies? Or are they just frivolous and uncouth?
Roflmao! “Dingbats” are definitely worse than magpies! Oh wow that made me laugh - “dingbats” is an expression I haven’t heard anyone use in bloody donkeys years!
Are Dingbats just frivolous and uncouth!?
Now surely, that has to be the real referendum question!
@@1ihws Sounds like a good idea...except the $400 million cost of a referendum.
@@AussieJohnny well thats what happens when people are fuckheads and have and use all the wrong information, with no permission to do so in the first place, isn’t it “dear” … stupid people often think they can fool other stupid people, and sometimes they even manage to completely fool the clever ones too!
Weird last part.
I like it.
I was in a joyous mood that morning...
There used to be a bus stop down at the point, near the lighthouse. It's a pity Translink got rid of that route, as it's a nice drive down there. I'm glad Cleveland didn't become the capital, as it's a nice area really, all things considered.
Oh shit the Australians found us
Love your videos Rob, Thank you. What's a Dingbat mate?
In my language, a dingbat is a lady in her mid 60's to mid 70's who is ostensibly full of life and goes out for long walks in sweat pants and designer jackets, but spends most of their time gossiping and pushing in in cafe shop customer lines.
Thankyou ❤
The nest on the tall pole would be for an Osprey. Thanks for the video, informative and entertaining - as usual.
BUT, not a coffee drinker? Blasphemy! Nearly had me unsubscribing. ;)
suspicious amount of railway talk in this one 🧐🧐🧐 (i went to cleveland station and had a look around cleveland the other day lol)
Railways are a useful mark in the landscape to help learn how an area has changed over time. Though the tracks and stations may be gone, they are remembered in things like street names or how the land has been reshaped.
@@walkaboutwithrob very true. however that does sound like a long way of saying 'i am indirectly interested in railways'.
@@Emilyp4082 Nah. Train lines are embedded in the landscape just like roads, paths, buildings and so on. They are part of the story like everything else. But no more fascinating to me that than those other elements. Cross my heart.
@@walkaboutwithrob i will be continuing to investigate this matter further
Cleveland station is not a good place to go for the public loo, trains have on more one occasion slid on leaves up into that section of the station. Though the station is a good place to sit for a light show in a lightning storm as you get to see the library and council buildings getting repeatedly stuck by lightning
Great work. Quite enjoy your videos. Find them interesting. Keep them coming. Do you have anything on bulimba?
Not yet but keen to explore there
Governor Bowen had a holiday house around the area of Cassiums Hotel
Its so annoying that just about all of brisbane,logan and goldcoast had train lines and train stations just about everywhere and now there all gone.
While sydney and melbourne kept there train lines which actually makes a whole lot of sense
@ok-bg1we Not sure if you live here, but nearly all the train lines are still here, and they have been since the late 19th century. All have been extended and new ones are being built.
@@walkaboutwithrob Actually, the history of Brisbane's rail network is fascinating. Much of it has come and gone and sometimes come again. here's a link to a great video that lays it all out. One of the most interesting parts (at least to me) is how long it took to completely electrify the network.
ua-cam.com/video/0tHgcQ5bhfE/v-deo.html
brilliant
check out redland bay at some point also decently interesting
We (middle of nowhere NSW Australia) have 8 pubs within 5 blocks, the nearby dots of towns also have a pub each lol there is nothing else to do
How dare you say Cleveland failed it’s just underachieved😡😡😡
Been homeless in Cleveland for about a year now it’s a beautiful little part of the world
Are you able to access any sort of accommodation, or do you sleep rough most nights?
@@walkaboutwithrob limited accommodation so mostly out under the stars so to speak but the people are lovely and it’s a rather nice area in general so I find it as enjoyable as one can in such a predicament
Francis Bigg?? Any connection to Biggs Camp (now Grandchester)
@rmar127 yes, that's the man.
@@walkaboutwithrob oh cool. I love researching railway history. Not so much because I’m into trains, but more from a point of view of how the railway networks influenced the development patterns of the early settlers. For instance there are now towns quite a few miles away from a previous settlement bearing the same name as when the railways came through, the new site was better for the alignment of the railway.
@@walkaboutwithrob have you done any videos on the abandoned Brisbane valley or the old Beaudesert lines
@@rmar127 I touched upon the Beaudesert line in my video about that town.
and Biggenden?
Bewdy...i've always loved Cleveland.