Also wondering if you get extra attack if Odyn's battlecry goes off more than once. Expecting some Brann, Dead Man's Hand and Bounce shenanigans to get a few hundred attack.
Yep he's one of the worse Titans but even so he's not "trash" like some people tried to make him out to be. He's actually pretty solid. Just not that exciting is all lol.
So wait, that means that if Minotauren actually lives and Odyn is played already, on your opponent's turn they attack into it, your hero will still get attack, no? That's basically a board clear for aggro/mid range decks
I was thinking the same thing. I expect yes, if your opponent kills a deathrattle minion that grants armor, then anything that they send into your face will get hurt.
I can't believe that i missed fire warrior support as a potential in this set with forge. I'm happy that control warrior seems to finally be coming back. Edit: As far as Furious Furnace is concerned, i feel like its gonna be okay to discover off an Amalgam of the Deep, but probably not a main deck card.
in world of warcraft the more we learned about odyn the more evil he's sounded despite being an ally in legion and is theorized to eventually be a villain with that fucking card art there is no way he isnt evil holy shit its so fucking menacing
I definitely want to see you try a super greedy control warrior with Odyn, the titan, Ignis, black rock n roll, and maybe lorthemar (but maybe thats too greedy even for a Regis stream?). Beyond that im curious to see if control paladin works with the new Titan (and how does that deck win games) and then i want to see a general control warlock with Sargeras and some of the shenanigans with the new cards (forge of wills, Loken, etc.). Lastly I'm curious as to whether a more midrange or value mech rogue can work using some of the new neutrals.
Trial By Fire with Umbra in wild seems interesting. Depending on the order in which things trigger, you'll either get a board of 5 6/6's with rush or a board of a 5/5, 4/4, 3/3, 2/2 and a 1/1 with rush. That sounds pretty fun even if it happens late in the game and doesn't end it either.
Odyn seems like it could be really interesting defensively if you can reliably gain armor on your opponents turn to force each enemy that attacks your hero to take retaliation damage. Honestly I just wish it was 7 or 9 so that odd warrior could run it (Not that it would be that good considering its still less than a druid HP with groovy cats and free spirits).
Odyn says you gain attack for the turn you gain armor. Minotauren says when it deals damage, you gain armor. So if it’s attacked during the opponents turn, and you gain armor, does your hero also gain attack? And if so, if your opponents minions/face attacks your hero, do you deal damage back to them?
I think Trial by Fir will often be a Star Power With benefits, like targets not being random and potentially leaving a body or two And with drawbacks, like being affected by taunts and stealth and not being able to deal the whole 15 damage
Will Odyns effect happen on the opponents turn as well? It doesn't specify "on your turn" so it seems like it could be a pretty nuts way to stop the opponent from going face.
Craftsman hammer should be changed to 'gain 2 armor and attack again.' With odins ability, it would make the base hammer be 3, then 5, then 7, and damage total.
Man, i cant wait to run Odyn in wild Fizzle Warrior with Zola for a late game win condition. i wish he was a 7 mana 7/7. but i always want more cards for odd warrior.
Isn’t frozen buckler just insane with Odyn? There are a lot of spells to gain a lot of armor because of how armor was designed as a defensive tool in the past, I feel like a card that dramatically changes that might be problematic? For instance, imagine dredging this with from the depths, and getting this kind of effect a lot earlier in the game than turn 8. It seems really insane as a potential midrange finisher card. Obviously in most cases this won’t come down that early, but the fact that you can still hit face with that attack seems really really strong. Maybe I’m not thinking of some other important factors here.
There's already a super easy way to get armor for Warrior in wild with Risky Skipper, Raorfen Rockstar, and Armorsmith. I feel like with Odyn, it's gonna be consistent to OTK.
The deck is not aggressive. Odyn is an 8 mana card - thats anything but aggressive. Smelt is a fire spell, which makes it playable at any stage of the game if you have fire synergy. But if you specifically buff minotauren, +6/6 or +12/12 will be a set up to kill the opponent after Odyn.
I want warlock to have a control deck but I just don't think it has it yet. I will likely play control priest again and blood dk as well as the new unholy/frost control variations
Get and save a coin, survive to play Odyn, with 10 mana play Razorfen Rockstar, coin, then double shield block and double heavy plate. Should get you 34armor/attack, as well as draw 2. Even without the coin/Razorfen Rockstar you could still get up to 26armor/attack.
Odyn is honestly decently tame in wild. It's an 8 mana do nothing. On turn 8, as warrior, the game is either over or you have stabilized. There is no late game warrior build because compared to actual value classes warrior has not enough tools. If you want to kill people, play enrage warrior and kill them by turn 4-5.
Wait so Odyn's effect can make it so your opponent can't destroy your armor gain minions on their turn or at least do so last since you'd gain attack on the opponent's turn dealing damage back to minions who attack your hero. XD that's gonna be insane if that's how it works.
I gotta say i disagree with smelt being only 2 stars. A +6 +6 buff for 2 mana and 3 armor in a deck where you will likely have a ton of armor anyway is huge. If not already amazing in standard it would be an auto include in armor warrior in wild
So if you play the minotauren after Odyn and the enemy trades a minion you will now have +5 attack on the enemies turn and any minions that attack face will be punished by your heroes +5 attack?
I just really hope this expansion doesn't turn out to be unbalanced or ruined by aggro stuff, cuz in terms of card design this seems to be my favorite expansion in a really long time, maybe ever
Odin should be Druid/Warrior dual card since it will give Standard Tony Druid another late-game win-con. That deck needs some serious upgrade to keep up to be honest.
odin loks realy strong, but its 8 mana in a hope dis will hold him back . if i gain armor on the oponents turn and dan gain the atach will the minions take the damage?
Regis, do you play WoW? I know you've talked about WoW stuff from time to time, such as lore relevant to Hearthstone cards and what not, but I never really took that to mean that you played, or at least not anymore. Hearing you say you played Legion, which was not too long ago in WoW's lifespan, makes me wonder if you still play these days.
I was wondering how are you star rankings work? Is it on how good a card will do in the meta? How good a card is in general? I'm wondering since your ratings seems very conservative, meaning you almost never give a 5 star unless something is clearly broken and almost never a 1 star though a large amount in each expansion ends up not being played much.
Odyn will be the savior of bomb archetype with Rattlegore in duels. I cant wait, my favorite one finally gets a great card. Well, until they inevitably ban it like they do everything fun in that gamemode.
Bruuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh. That elemental is gross. I already am playing an aggro menagerie warrior deck that’s running blackrock as my only spell to untilize magatha and the infuse guys to refill my hand. This easily replaces the 3/5 taunt that I’m playing for my elemental
@RegisKillbin Would you consider doing two ratings for your quick reviews for standard and wild? I exclusively play wild and twist, as I’m sure others do too. Thank you for your insightful card reviews-I’ve watched your entire series! 👍🏻
I don't want to speak for the man, but I'd wager that he'd be less inclined to do so since he doesn't play those formats as much. It would be harder to rate cards without as deep a knowledge of how they play with others.
@@JJohnson616 That’s fair, but he’s been playing since beta like me. I’d still appreciate his perspective even if he’s not up on the current wild meta. He has deep knowledge of the game. I think he has the best card reviews. I tend to be wildly optimistic like Thijs, who believes most new cards have the potential to be amazing. I watch Regis to understand why I should temper my expectations. Regis is good at putting power levels into context.
Based off the wording alone, yes. Which would mean if your opponent gets you armor on their turn, attacking in should cause their minions/face to take damage as well.
I like the ideas here but honestly it feels very weak overall. If only because odyn comes down way to late in the game to act as a finisher. And warrior doesnt just feel like it has a lot of solid mid game plays to really justify a finisher. Really wish it was like 5 or 6 mana and say "forget about wild format" or even like give a free 5 armor baseline so you can immediately trade on board. Separately i thi k fiery furnsce is actuslly pretty dope. One of my favorite decks last expansion was renethal menagerie. It played decently well in diamon 1-5. Fiery furnace will allow for better mid range and end game trades, either tacking it onto a weak "mistake" or one amalgam band or even zilliax
Can't wait for the Mark combo with Dr. Boom scheme and Odyn
congrats this is the funniest comment anyone will post about the new set
There are still like.... 4 cads that give you 10 for 2 mana
@gggtggg6828 that's the point, it's completely unnecessary to wait for the scheme to ramp up, that's why he'll do it
Also wondering if you get extra attack if Odyn's battlecry goes off more than once. Expecting some Brann, Dead Man's Hand and Bounce shenanigans to get a few hundred attack.
i love that they aren't afraid to print cards that say "for the rest of the game" anymore, it seems like we get at least one every set now
Regis: Odyn could be insane in Wild
Everyone who plays Wild: It's turn 4 and I'm not showing lethal on board, so I'm probably gonna lose this one...
I now see why khaz'goroth wasn't completely insane
Yep he's one of the worse Titans but even so he's not "trash" like some people tried to make him out to be. He's actually pretty solid. Just not that exciting is all lol.
Odyn plus Bring It On in wild seems crazy. And Frozen Buckler is also pretty crazy.
I kinda want to try it out with galakrond for some extra aggressive turns too
skipper + armor smith combo OTK
@@Deus-Eros on turn 9 you could gain 60+ armor if your draw was good
@@Lunaraia seens fun, but low tier 4 on wild being ultra optimistic sadly
@@Deus-Eros It's Magical Christmas Land for sure, given the decks that are popular there, just saying it is TECHNICALLY possible :p
Really love how much gas they are giving to Fire Warrior in this set. 🔥
If Craftsman's Hammer said "gain two armor when you attack" would be so much better imo
So wait, that means that if Minotauren actually lives and Odyn is played already, on your opponent's turn they attack into it, your hero will still get attack, no? That's basically a board clear for aggro/mid range decks
Good point, that might actually work
running sketchy stranger just for the chance of getting ice barrier when you've Odyn'ed and becoming the board clear
Now warrior can protecc, and can attacc! Exactly what it needed.
by the time warrior reach 8 mana he would only have 3 life left
cute
Craftsman hammer for some reason feels and looks like a custom card.
it almost looks like AI generated art
So does this mean if you gain armor on your opponents turn your hero has attack on their turn?
...Huh. If so that's pretty sick.
THORNS CARDS ARE REAL!!!!!!!!!
I was thinking the same thing. I expect yes, if your opponent kills a deathrattle minion that grants armor, then anything that they send into your face will get hurt.
It should as there are a couple ways to have attack on defense and it never specifies your turn
With the wording as it is, specifying "that" turn instead if "your" turn, I think yes.
If you discover that customize weapon in combo with Odyn, would be crazy. Especially when you have windfury on it for example 😮
Was thinking the same, i wonder if the gain armor option gives before or after attacking, that could be good as well
Warrior is eating good in Odyn's halls
Minotauren powercreeps Alley Armorsmith so much.
My notification said "Odyn is crazy, I love armor" so, I clicked and this definitely isn't marvel snap. What the hell is a heart stone?
Try it, it’s a great game. And you can play and have fun for little to no money.
@@micahturner8297it takes a while to grind to where you can play well as a free to play though
Obviously Dr.Boom's Scheme with odyn might be crazy, but Odyn with sk8tr bot, furious furnace, and viciousscrap hound could be a meme too.
I can't believe that i missed fire warrior support as a potential in this set with forge. I'm happy that control warrior seems to finally be coming back.
Edit: As far as Furious Furnace is concerned, i feel like its gonna be okay to discover off an Amalgam of the Deep, but probably not a main deck card.
in world of warcraft the more we learned about odyn the more evil he's sounded despite being an ally in legion and is theorized to eventually be a villain
with that fucking card art there is no way he isnt evil holy shit its so fucking menacing
I definitely want to see you try a super greedy control warrior with Odyn, the titan, Ignis, black rock n roll, and maybe lorthemar (but maybe thats too greedy even for a Regis stream?).
Beyond that im curious to see if control paladin works with the new Titan (and how does that deck win games) and then i want to see a general control warlock with Sargeras and some of the shenanigans with the new cards (forge of wills, Loken, etc.).
Lastly I'm curious as to whether a more midrange or value mech rogue can work using some of the new neutrals.
Cant wait 4 the theory crafting stream
Trial By Fire with Umbra in wild seems interesting. Depending on the order in which things trigger, you'll either get a board of 5 6/6's with rush or a board of a 5/5, 4/4, 3/3, 2/2 and a 1/1 with rush. That sounds pretty fun even if it happens late in the game and doesn't end it either.
Do remember the Valkyrie deathrattle says "other" so it won't buff itself with Umbra, so at best it would be 5 5/5s
the video really gets crazy after 21:00
Odyn seems like it could be really interesting defensively if you can reliably gain armor on your opponents turn to force each enemy that attacks your hero to take retaliation damage. Honestly I just wish it was 7 or 9 so that odd warrior could run it (Not that it would be that good considering its still less than a druid HP with groovy cats and free spirits).
Iron Hide on 1, Smelt on 2, Twin fin on 3 for two 8/7 rushers 😍
I'm gonna craft Odyn day 1 if I don't get him out of a pack. I love the concept of it
Have been crafting warrior and paladin day one since mech warrior won me over in boomsday. Looks good!
Igneous Lava Gorger and Odyn with the sneaky Naga Giant for 20 damage on one turn seems mad.
Odyn says you gain attack for the turn you gain armor. Minotauren says when it deals damage, you gain armor. So if it’s attacked during the opponents turn, and you gain armor, does your hero also gain attack? And if so, if your opponents minions/face attacks your hero, do you deal damage back to them?
Easiest tie ever
Finally some more more fire support!
I think Trial by Fir will often be a Star Power
With benefits, like targets not being random and potentially leaving a body or two
And with drawbacks, like being affected by taunts and stealth and not being able to deal the whole 15 damage
Also comes down earlier as you can forget on 2 and have it ready from then on.
The dream is Vanndar turn 4, Odyn turn 5, Bring it on Bring it on Frozen Buckler
@Blizzard, change the weapon to "When your hero attacks gain 2 armor, if it kills a minion gain 2 more" fixed it to synergize with Odin
Will Odyns effect happen on the opponents turn as well? It doesn't specify "on your turn" so it seems like it could be a pretty nuts way to stop the opponent from going face.
Much harder to gain on their turn without the opponent triggering themselves.
Craftsman hammer should be changed to 'gain 2 armor and attack again.' With odins ability, it would make the base hammer be 3, then 5, then 7, and damage total.
Man, i cant wait to run Odyn in wild Fizzle Warrior with Zola for a late game win condition. i wish he was a 7 mana 7/7. but i always want more cards for odd warrior.
Isn’t frozen buckler just insane with Odyn? There are a lot of spells to gain a lot of armor because of how armor was designed as a defensive tool in the past, I feel like a card that dramatically changes that might be problematic? For instance, imagine dredging this with from the depths, and getting this kind of effect a lot earlier in the game than turn 8. It seems really insane as a potential midrange finisher card. Obviously in most cases this won’t come down that early, but the fact that you can still hit face with that attack seems really really strong. Maybe I’m not thinking of some other important factors here.
Smelting on the Minotauren might be a scary burst damage option if you've got Odyn's effect up
Actually good warrior cards?! Oh no, the world is ending.
There's already a super easy way to get armor for Warrior in wild with Risky Skipper, Raorfen Rockstar, and Armorsmith. I feel like with Odyn, it's gonna be consistent to OTK.
Even armor warrior sounds like it’s going to be dangerous after some theorycrafting
The deck is not aggressive. Odyn is an 8 mana card - thats anything but aggressive. Smelt is a fire spell, which makes it playable at any stage of the game if you have fire synergy. But if you specifically buff minotauren, +6/6 or +12/12 will be a set up to kill the opponent after Odyn.
I want warlock to have a control deck but I just don't think it has it yet. I will likely play control priest again and blood dk as well as the new unholy/frost control variations
In regards to Smelt, Armor Vendor is in Standard, so thats an easy 1-2. Though you have to have them both, of course.
Oh those wild Kargath Prime - Dimensional Ripper pulls will be glorious. My greed can’t be sated… 🤤
Holy crap Odyn seems bonkers in bomb warrior in duels.
Even if these cards are good, they're still interesting.
Which is all I want from classes I like.
Wow you completely missed the reason that smelt is in this set. It was made to combo with minotauren.
Get and save a coin, survive to play Odyn, with 10 mana play Razorfen Rockstar, coin, then double shield block and double heavy plate. Should get you 34armor/attack, as well as draw 2. Even without the coin/Razorfen Rockstar you could still get up to 26armor/attack.
Armor Vender T1 into Smelt T2 giving you a cool +8/+8 hand buff sounds solid
Odyn is honestly decently tame in wild. It's an 8 mana do nothing. On turn 8, as warrior, the game is either over or you have stabilized. There is no late game warrior build because compared to actual value classes warrior has not enough tools.
If you want to kill people, play enrage warrior and kill them by turn 4-5.
Wait so Odyn's effect can make it so your opponent can't destroy your armor gain minions on their turn or at least do so last since you'd gain attack on the opponent's turn dealing damage back to minions who attack your hero. XD that's gonna be insane if that's how it works.
I gotta say i disagree with smelt being only 2 stars. A +6 +6 buff for 2 mana and 3 armor in a deck where you will likely have a ton of armor anyway is huge. If not already amazing in standard it would be an auto include in armor warrior in wild
Awesome. About time we got some amazing Hack the System support. (Odyn)
So if you play the minotauren after Odyn and the enemy trades a minion you will now have +5 attack on the enemies turn and any minions that attack face will be punished by your heroes +5 attack?
I just really hope this expansion doesn't turn out to be unbalanced or ruined by aggro stuff, cuz in terms of card design this seems to be my favorite expansion in a really long time, maybe ever
Odyn is actually such a smart buff for warrior.
I'm just wondering if you can choose not to spend the extra armor with smelt
Im seeing Odyn getting banned in wild soon after its release...
Remornia + Odin seems kinda nuts
Odin should be Druid/Warrior dual card since it will give Standard Tony Druid another late-game win-con. That deck needs some serious upgrade to keep up to be honest.
Stoneskin works with frozen buckler on 2? Nice
i'm surprised they didn't make this a druid card, with how many cards that have been made for druid to gain armor
odin loks realy strong, but its 8 mana in a hope dis will hold him back .
if i gain armor on the oponents turn and dan gain the atach will the minions take the damage?
How Odin works in opponent turn? If we gain armor we gain atak so every enemy minion will take damage when hit face?
Since no one's did it yet, I'll say it for Odyn.
... Alright, deck intro time.
If u have cost reduction on a forge spell...and you then forge it, after the reduction...does the spell keep the reduction after the redraw?
Bomb Rattlegore is going to be even more of a menace
Minotauren is 5 stars imo shieldmaiden with rush potential extra trigger and ridiculous buff synergy
So if Odyn has been played and I gain armor on my opponent's turn do I also gain attack and does that attack damage minions that hit face?
Hmm, so deathrattle gain armor wonder if it gives you attack on the opponents turn
Minotauran feels insane to me.
The card that gives you 10 shield is gonna be crazy
Regis, do you play WoW? I know you've talked about WoW stuff from time to time, such as lore relevant to Hearthstone cards and what not, but I never really took that to mean that you played, or at least not anymore. Hearing you say you played Legion, which was not too long ago in WoW's lifespan, makes me wonder if you still play these days.
Ungoro Ironhide if lucky can allow turn 2 smelt
Wait, the new Warrior Legendary doesn't suck?!
I was wondering how are you star rankings work? Is it on how good a card will do in the meta? How good a card is in general?
I'm wondering since your ratings seems very conservative, meaning you almost never give a 5 star unless something is clearly broken and almost never a 1 star though a large amount in each expansion ends up not being played much.
Armor control warrior seems quite cool
Most excited for Druid, Death Knight and Demon Hunter
Imo DK looks fun and DH looks OP af.
Priest
Demon Hunter
Warlock
Paladin
These four will be the ones to watch.
Rogue and Mage are the sleepers.
I feel like armor + sylas otk is still better that odin + armor otk
Odyn will be the savior of bomb archetype with Rattlegore in duels. I cant wait, my favorite one finally gets a great card. Well, until they inevitably ban it like they do everything fun in that gamemode.
Trial by Fire makes me think of a targeted Star Power.
Bruuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh. That elemental is gross. I already am playing an aggro menagerie warrior deck that’s running blackrock as my only spell to untilize magatha and the infuse guys to refill my hand. This easily replaces the 3/5 taunt that I’m playing for my elemental
Two quillboars two bash and two verse rift= gg
@RegisKillbin Would you consider doing two ratings for your quick reviews for standard and wild? I exclusively play wild and twist, as I’m sure others do too.
Thank you for your insightful card reviews-I’ve watched your entire series! 👍🏻
I don't want to speak for the man, but I'd wager that he'd be less inclined to do so since he doesn't play those formats as much. It would be harder to rate cards without as deep a knowledge of how they play with others.
@@JJohnson616 That’s fair, but he’s been playing since beta like me. I’d still appreciate his perspective even if he’s not up on the current wild meta. He has deep knowledge of the game. I think he has the best card reviews. I tend to be wildly optimistic like Thijs, who believes most new cards have the potential to be amazing. I watch Regis to understand why I should temper my expectations. Regis is good at putting power levels into context.
If you gain armor during your opponent's turn, would Odyn give your hero attack that turn?
Based off the wording alone, yes. Which would mean if your opponent gets you armor on their turn, attacking in should cause their minions/face to take damage as well.
me watching the warrior gain a trillion armor to oneshot me (hearthstone devs make balanced cards)
waiting for the surprise yogg saron reveal
does your opponent know what you forged?
Control warrior eating good
Minotauren would have made more sense as a 5/6 just like gnome muncher as its arguably a worse card already
Diablo gonna go crazy in duels
why is there 2 mins of black screen at the end of this video?
Warrior meta is coming
Ah, so the Minotauren has Lifesteel, got it. ;P
is it me or are there not very many neutral cards
wait,... this is not a oh snappp video!?
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seems like team 5 has no intentions of reigning in power creep. This expansion is so much stronger than the last one.
I like the ideas here but honestly it feels very weak overall. If only because odyn comes down way to late in the game to act as a finisher. And warrior doesnt just feel like it has a lot of solid mid game plays to really justify a finisher.
Really wish it was like 5 or 6 mana and say "forget about wild format" or even like give a free 5 armor baseline so you can immediately trade on board.
Separately i thi k fiery furnsce is actuslly pretty dope. One of my favorite decks last expansion was renethal menagerie. It played decently well in diamon 1-5. Fiery furnace will allow for better mid range and end game trades, either tacking it onto a weak "mistake" or one amalgam band or even zilliax