As a second year HS umpire I think this type of video is extremely valuable. For example the mechanics call for rotation but learning to recognize that I won’t get to third and telling my partner I am staying home isn’t in a mechanics book.
Great format. Second year youth umpire here and the mechanics on these sorts of plays is exactly the sort of thing I'm trying to learn and get information about.
All of these videos are good, and important. I especially like that your association takes the time to do this, to put things on video, and to explain their reasoning. This type of communication is important for better ensuring that all members of the association are on the same page, and applying the rules in a more uniform manner. That will reduce the number of conflicts throughout the season. Having rules on video, and always accessible makes it easier for members of the association to study, too, and to do it at any time they have free instead of having to drive somewhere to meet at a predetermined time. To me, all of this demonstrates that your association is more concerned with providing the best service it can than it is concerned with anything else.
I love this style of video as a newer umpire! I get a pretty even mix of solo games and 2-man games and it's really nice to see explanations and techniques for how to juggle different responsibilities. I personally don't think there's enough of these kinds of videos out there (there's tons of videos on the rules and basic procedures, very few on how to get in position to make better calls).
10 out of 10! Love it. I believe this format makes the teaching more relevant to our level of games. Was featured in the instruction play and have applied the learning ever since.
A tip, have umps on when tag is made is to ask fielder "present ball" for all tag plays. Ump in tough spot as you are not supposed to claim "safe" until player clearly touches base and go thru "present ball", "out of baseline" "interference" etc. Also note, if somehow fielder when presenting ball ball then slips out of hand, its still an out-no penalty. Showing ball in glove also works.
My question on the first call is. In the situation the runner clearly misses first base. He continues to run past the bag all the way to the outfield grass before coming back to first and establishing the bag. It's clear the runner missed the base to avoid the tag. Would a correct call in this case be to call the runner out for being out of the baseline? Wouldn't he need to make an attempt to establish the bag before backpedaling into the outfield? If not, why? Thank you for posting. Good stuff.
Really like this style. It's my first year umpiring and gearing up for my first game soon. Took your course and follow your videos has improved my confidence exponentially. Keep making 'em.
Thanks for watching and commenting. It gets stressful working these into my weeks, but actually hearing and interacting with all of you is what keeps me going.
Disagree with the PU positioning suggestion in the second play. He did the right thing by heading toward third because he read it as a potential play there. Ironically, this movement toward third would have given him a better view of the obstruction, but he was watching the ball instead. Yes, BU should have had the obstruction because there was no catch/no-catch to rule on, but both umpires were in a position to see the contact between R1 and F6.
I agree. Since PU is tracking R1 anyway, he should have seen the obstruction. U1 has to keep track of where the batted ball is as well as BR touching 1B.
First, I enjoy this teaching format. 2nd. on the first video I wonder if the coach asked if the batter runner had left the run lane, and perhaps that's why the the umpires came together? Also on 2 of the videos a coach comes onto the field, to question a call, and I don't know that time out was called? Thanks, we use your content in our meetings
Regarding clip 1 mechanics for BR missing bag From the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (section 5.15, p. 46): A runner does not acquire the right to an unoccupied base on an attempt to retire the runner until he touches it before he is put out. This is true regardless of whether the umpire’s act of not making a call signifies to the defensive team that the runner failed to touch the base for purposes of an appeal play. Play 1: Batter-runner hits a ground ball and beats the play at first base but misses the bag as he passes it with both feet. Ruling 1: The proper mechanic is for the umpire to make no call on the play because the batter-runner has not yet touched first base. If the defense appeals by tagging the runner (or base) and appealing that the runner missed first base before the runner returns to first base, the batter-runner would be declared out. The text is underlined in the book signifying a change for the 2018 season in Minor League Baseball. It further explained that the interpretation was added to clarify that on plays where the batter-runner overruns and misses first base and has both feet beyond the base before a play is made there, the umpire should make no “Safe” call (i.e., make no call on the play). The following interpretation can be found in the 2016 BRD (section 362, p. 242): FED Official Interpretation: Hopkins: If BR misses first but beats the throw, he is “considered safe” and the umpire should so signal. If the defense appeals, the umpire will reverse his call. 2015 NFHS Baseball Rules Interpretations SITUATION 20: The batter hits the ball to the shortstop who bobbles the ball and throws late to first base. The batter-runner beats the throw but does not touch first base. RULING: The runner beats the ball on the play and is considered to be safe. The defense must appeal the missed base or tag the batter-runner before he returns to first in order to have the out declared for the missed base. (8-2-1 Penalty)
Lindsay from CCS does amazing breakdowns that provides information and insights on unusual plays. This format and your breakdown would be awesome. Looking forward to more! Never thought Lindsay/TMac were going to have someone else that I trusted in providing valuable content. You are doing amazing work for the FED umpiring development.
@@UmpireClassroom I mentioned the NFHS UmpiresManual in response to a couple of earlie rposts. It says make a safe call and then, if the defense appeals him missing first base, make an out call. That comes from the 2023 and 2024 Manual.
Good video. At the 1:56 minute mark we can see that the runner does not touch the base. So the umpire does not wait long enough in my opinion. He should have waited to see the runner touch the base...then said, "Safe Ball is on the ground."
Maybe he could get by with just "Ball's on the ground"? I think we need some call after the tag attempt to let everyone know we saw the tag attempt, and it was unsuccessful. And then hold off on a safe or out call until the BR returns and touched first or is tagged. Thoughts?
@@richverost6416 We had a long discussion about whether to make a "safe" call if a batter runner misses first base at an association meeting a couple of weeks ago. About half of our association said to make a "safe" call and about half said not to make any call at all until the runner returns and touches the base. As I pointed out to our association, the answer is actually in the NFHS Umpires Manual on Page 34: "20. FORCE PLAY AT FIRST BASE WHERE BATTER-RUNNER MISSES BASE -- If a runner beats a throw at first base on a force play, bur misses first base, the umpire shall signal "safe" and then call the runner "out" on appeal."
Love all of your videos. Keep them coming! Have you setup a discord or something similar that we can submit videos we might have questions for? Then if you deem it worthy to do a video on?
@@UmpireClassroom I also watch another channel that has every mlb ejection called closecallsports. They have a discord and it’s awesome. I love your channel because it’s geared to NFHS.
The first scenario, had there been a tag, the player losing the ball diving to the ground does not matter. The ball wasn’t dislodged during the tag attempt, he had control of the ball through the tag and voluntary release isn’t necessary because this isn’t a catch situation. Close Call Sports went over a similar play last year.
In regards to your hypothetical (there is actually a tag and then the fielder falls and drops the ball): NCAA actually requires body control, so it would be a drop and no tag. You are correct about OBR-related manuals giving the umpire some judgment here if the drop is clearly after the tag (and not immediately after). This is NFHS, and I have yet to discover what that particular manual says.
Great video. Question on the first one: Are we actually calling that runner safe, even though there was no touch of first base? I have been advised that we no longer do this and we are to make no call, just like when a runner misses the plate.
I'm not aware of any teaching to not signal safe on this. That said, your local assignor/evaluator gets more say in that then I do. If you can send any reference to a clinic or association teaching that I'd love to learn more!
I am not an NFHS umpire. Just do rec games. I had the same question about the first play. The batter/runner was not out as the ball was on the ground but I don't have initially safe either as he did not touch 1st base until he returns to the base. As such, I would have signaled nothing. Maybe, verbalize "No tag".
@@davidwurbel6610 So how do you know that his "safe" sign for wasnt for a "no tag"? Ive been taught that we should signal "safe" even if the batter-runner misses 1st base as he is assumed to have touched first base once he passes it.........could still be called out on appeal though until he ends up touching it
You can verbalize no tag, but it would still have a safe signal with it. Unless specifically instructed by your assignor, I’d encourage you to still signal on this play. Even before the runner goes back and touches.
I like this style of video. the one where the runner goes down first base line could have been a question. if he was out of the base path, maybe a call by the umpire at home
As an evaluator my question to the base umpire on the second play would have been why weren't you looking at the obstruction and to the plate umpire, why didn't you call obstruction if you're looking at the runner rounding second base.
Patrick!!..... 2 questions about that first play: 1. Shouldn't the P.U. have yelled to his partner, "I'm on the line!" ?? (or did he?) 2. Why didn't the defense appeal the obvious miss of 1st base by the b.r.?
He didn’t, but I also would not advise to yell while the ball is in the infield. That can be distracting for the players and shouldn’t necessarily shock anyone. To your second point, every fielder was either watching the pitcher or the umpire, and none of them saw the runner go past the base without touching. The coach that came out was arguing that the runner was tagged. He had no idea the pitcher didn’t complete the tag!
On the second play, obstruction by the SS, did the offensive coach come out and question whether there was obstruction? It sure seems like the plate umpire should have seen the runner rolling on the ground.
A newbie here , on the 2nd scenario where r1 got interfered and had went back to 2nd on a dive , does he have to be tagged or does fielder just have to touch the bag …. Ty in advance or any other watchers can help me out .
Since R1 had already touched 2B, the base to which he was forced, he can only be put out by being tagged. Of course, he should have been awarded 3B on the obstruction.
Incorrect. The batter-runner is not restricted to the runner's lane. However, he IS restricted to an area +/- 3 feet from his established base path from the time the tag attempt is imminent. Don't confuse the runner's lane (which exists as a safe place for him to run without being liable for INT with the fielder taking a throw at 1B) with the base path rules.
If the defense was paying attention on that first play they would have went and appealed the runner missing the base by tagging him. Instead they sat around and complained. Great call by that ump and get that coach off the field way sooner. He shouldn't be out on the field to begin with.
Shouldn't have the PU make that obstruction call ? BU is responsible till 2nd base touch then PU takes runner to 3rd therefore seeing and calling obstruction any thoughts?
Either can call it if they see it. Generally, in rounding a base, the umpire that has the touch should take responsibility for obstruction by fielders around the base. 2nd is tough because it’s the only base with two fielders.
I agree. Telling your partner you're "staying home" in the middle of a play (when those kids can run like jack rabbits!!....LOL!!) would never give my partner any time to cover a potential play at 3rd. I would have at least gravitated towards 3rd thus splitting the difference(???). Thoughts?
@@prsguitars42 If the PU says he's going to take 3rd, I don't want to go over there as well. Nudging over is one thing but you don't want two umpires on one play.
The PU needs to be careful or aware that he could be run over at the plate as well. It's not unusual that we assume the runner is going to slide and he doesn't slide but comes standing up like a freight train. I've seen this at least twice this year. Not every high school team is going to have the best trained and experienced players around.
Love these, but you going to get opposing opinions. 1) coach shouldn't go past foul line. Umpires need to have better game management here, but in the end, not horrible. I typically am a "keep them in the game if you can" kind of umpire. Especially if I didn't perform like I should have which exacerbated the issue. 2) It's hard to imagine both umpires missing this. Not saying it couldn't happen to me, but it's embarrassing for sure. 3) the wedge on calls at the plate is a hugely important skill to develop IMO. That being said, my son, being a catcher, got many outs in big games because the umpire was not in position.
1) The coach not going past the foul line I believe is a college mechanic. It may be in some state associations as well but sadly not yet in GHSA. 2) Definitely a tough miss 😬 3) So important. I just want to see the old school guys stop going 1st base extended!
I'm a 30+ year HS/Youth umpire. The only problem I have with this video is that the commentator looks like he's 12...what can he possibly know, right? Very good stuff, especially the part about a coach coming out to contest a call must go back to the dugout while the crew discusses the play, and should not be allowed back out to re-argue the final decision! Keep it up, sonny.😁
Any comment on the fact that the runner is called safe at first, even though he did not touch first? Yes, runner is safe, ball is dropped. But then the runner misses first base. He would be out on proper appeal, even though the ball was dropped.
In the first scenario, the batter never touched first base, therefore the umpire never made a safe call until the runner came back and touched first which he did correctly. The ball on the ground made no difference.
He signals safe before the runner returns. (The coach is even out to the foul line to argue before the runner returns.) I do agree that the ‘ball on the ground’ is immaterial-but it’s because there was no tag to begin with.
On the first example…the batter/runner should be out. He deviated substantially (3+ ft) from the established base path to avoid the tag! And he was outside of the runners lane.
We debated that in a short about a month back, and it was definitely a possibility that he left the base path. That said, the actual rule for the runners lane doesn’t apply here. It’s 3 feet wide so that helps, but the actual runners lane rule only applies on a ball being thrown to first. Not a tag play.
@@UmpireClassroom Thanks for the clarification on the runners lane. It still seems like he deviated his base path too much. Especially since he completely missed 1st base.
He starts just to the right of the foul line. Deviates just to right of the 3-foot line. Seems to me that he is exactly 3 feet from his established base path-which is legal.
First play...and when you give that, "Balls on the ground!" mechanic? You do NOT point directly at the baseball! You don't want to "help" the defense there. You are merely informing all the players verbally that the ball is on the ground and therefore there was no tag. When you give this mechanic, just point down at your own feet. Second play...yes, PU should have called off the rotation here, however...let's say R1 did not steal on the pitch, ball is down fair in the OF and the rotation is on. PU should be picking up R1 as soon as they start rotating. PU is not responsible for the touch at 2B but, try to see that touch anyway, if possible. Then continue to follow R1 as they come through 2B and visually track them all the way to 3B. If you do this, you will see that or any other obstruction between 2B and 3B and can make that call. This is very important if the ball is hit to F9 or down the RF line because U1 will have a very difficult time seeing the ball down, seeing the touch at 2B AND seeing any potential obstruction. Third play...this is absolutely textbook wedging of a tag play at the plate. If you are uncertain about the wedge, if you are teaching the wedge, if you have a partner that is struggling with the wedge then I highly recommend you view and or utilize this video.
Play 1… we don’t care that the Batter/Runner clearly steps out of the runners lane at the time of the tag? That’s not worth a discussion? Plate umpire seemed to be spectating and we just didn’t even act like it’s a thing.
I LOVE THIS FORMAT!!!! If i don’t see it at least once a month from now on, I won’t see you on the field…
Thanks for watching!
I also enjoy this type of training. Breaking down real plays brings the mechanics to life. Thanks Patrick!
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As a second year HS umpire I think this type of video is extremely valuable. For example the mechanics call for rotation but learning to recognize that I won’t get to third and telling my partner I am staying home isn’t in a mechanics book.
Great format. Second year youth umpire here and the mechanics on these sorts of plays is exactly the sort of thing I'm trying to learn and get information about.
Check out the umpire 101 course!
More of this style please it’s so nice seeing more of what you talk about in your videos in action and getting an in-depth break down
Umpiring HS and U16 this video provide clarity and great visual to typical game situations. Go Patrick!
As always, a joy to watch any of your videos
All of these videos are good, and important. I especially like that your association takes the time to do this, to put things on video, and to explain their reasoning. This type of communication is important for better ensuring that all members of the association are on the same page, and applying the rules in a more uniform manner. That will reduce the number of conflicts throughout the season. Having rules on video, and always accessible makes it easier for members of the association to study, too, and to do it at any time they have free instead of having to drive somewhere to meet at a predetermined time. To me, all of this demonstrates that your association is more concerned with providing the best service it can than it is concerned with anything else.
Huge help for a new umpire. Thank you!
I love this style of video as a newer umpire! I get a pretty even mix of solo games and 2-man games and it's really nice to see explanations and techniques for how to juggle different responsibilities. I personally don't think there's enough of these kinds of videos out there (there's tons of videos on the rules and basic procedures, very few on how to get in position to make better calls).
More to come! Also, working on a podcast to better connect with umpires, especially as a pregame.
10 out of 10! Love it. I believe this format makes the teaching more relevant to our level of games.
Was featured in the instruction play and have applied the learning ever since.
Keep this format of video coming in - its great!
Love watching real videos. I reference your channel for my new umpires all the time. Thanks for doing them
Glad you like them! Be sure to check out the course too! Send an email. Patrick@umpireclassroom.com
A tip, have umps on when tag is made is to ask fielder "present ball" for all tag plays. Ump in tough spot as you are not supposed to claim "safe" until player clearly touches base and go thru "present ball", "out of baseline" "interference" etc. Also note, if somehow fielder when presenting ball ball then slips out of hand, its still an out-no penalty. Showing ball in glove also works.
Excellent format. Really helpful when you are breaking down a play that is in a two man system that we are working as HS umpires.
This was great!!! I think NFHS Umpires need to see more film like this of game plays and analysis of umpire movement to help us improve.
Glad you like it!
Be sure to share and send in plays.
I appreciate the work this group does for umpires! Great content! I love this format!
Our pleasure!
My question on the first call is. In the situation the runner clearly misses first base. He continues to run past the bag all the way to the outfield grass before coming back to first and establishing the bag. It's clear the runner missed the base to avoid the tag. Would a correct call in this case be to call the runner out for being out of the baseline? Wouldn't he need to make an attempt to establish the bag before backpedaling into the outfield? If not, why? Thank you for posting. Good stuff.
These videos are extremely helpful - please continue!
Very helpful video, please keep them coming! Thanks Patrick!
More to come!
Keep this style going Patrick! It's great to see live examples.
Great content for new as well as veteran umpires. Keep them coming.
Will do!
I love this play review too! Great idea
This is great training. Live examples are very helpful. Thank you and have a great season!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video, love the format!
Love this style of teaching.
Hope it helps us train and build new umpires!
Really like this style. It's my first year umpiring and gearing up for my first game soon. Took your course and follow your videos has improved my confidence exponentially. Keep making 'em.
Great to hear! Check out the pod too!
More please! That was good training!
Love this format! This is what has been missing from your always great videos.
More to come!
Definitely enjoyed seeing umpire mechanics in action. I'm a new umpire and this is probably the hardest part of the game for me.
this is great Patrick!
This was awesome. I watch all the videos being a new official this year. It’s been hard to find actual scenarios played out. Keep these coming!!
Will do! Have any rules questions or general umpiring questions? Submit questions for the podcast debuting next week!
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Yes, more videos like this 👍
Great breakdown...would love to see more of these.
Feel free to send plays our way!
This is an excellent video. Very well done!
Great video, Patrick! Love the format.
Absolutely Love these videos, keep up the excellent work Patrick!
Very helpful! More content like this please!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Yes. This a very good learning tool.
Yes I like this style of vid!!
I appreciate these videos greatly! I know they take a lot of time and energy. Thank you guys for doing what you do!
Thanks for watching and commenting. It gets stressful working these into my weeks, but actually hearing and interacting with all of you is what keeps me going.
Great job, Patrick. The style and format are very good. Thanks so much!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for the support and reaching out.
Disagree with the PU positioning suggestion in the second play. He did the right thing by heading toward third because he read it as a potential play there. Ironically, this movement toward third would have given him a better view of the obstruction, but he was watching the ball instead. Yes, BU should have had the obstruction because there was no catch/no-catch to rule on, but both umpires were in a position to see the contact between R1 and F6.
I agree. Since PU is tracking R1 anyway, he should have seen the obstruction. U1 has to keep track of where the batted ball is as well as BR touching 1B.
Very nicely done…great analysis and break down…
Much appreciated!
Excellent format. I loved seeing real case video!
This is great. Thanks for this.
Glad you liked it!
Outstanding review of plays and providing guidance on how to umpire certain plays and how we as a crew ca help each other out.
Thanks for the comment and support! Be sure to send along any plays you come across.
Hell yeah. We need more videos like this
More to come! Be sure to share and send over any good clips!
Just sent your site to our membership. Thanks for these.
Awesome, thank you! Send me an email patrick@umpireclassroom.com and I’ll send you a free pass to our 101 course!
Great video, and really enjoy the format!
Awesome, thank you!
Good stuff Patrick...breaking down real life plays are a great way to learn.
If you have any good clips, send them over!
very helpful. Thanks, Patrick
Glad it was helpful!
Love this type of content! Thank you
Excellent video breakdown - keep them coming. Great way to learn and get better!
Thanks, will do!
Great work
More videos like this please!
Thanks for commenting and supporting!
I love this style of using live examples but can we have the exact rules from the rulebook referenced in the videos?
Beautiful video break downs.
Appreciate it!
this is solid
First, I enjoy this teaching format. 2nd. on the first video I wonder if the coach asked if the batter runner had left the run lane, and perhaps that's why the the umpires came together? Also on 2 of the videos a coach comes onto the field, to question a call, and I don't know that time out was called? Thanks, we use your content in our meetings
Great information. Thanks!
You bet!
Excellent instructional video
Glad it was helpful!
Well done!!!
Thank you!
Yes enjoyed video hope you will put more out like this.
More to come!
Regarding clip 1 mechanics for BR missing bag
From the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (section 5.15, p. 46):
A runner does not acquire the right to an unoccupied base on an attempt to retire the runner until he touches it before he is put out. This is true regardless of whether the umpire’s act of not making a call signifies to the defensive team that the runner failed to touch the base for purposes of an appeal play.
Play 1: Batter-runner hits a ground ball and beats the play at first base but misses the bag as he passes it with both feet.
Ruling 1: The proper mechanic is for the umpire to make no call on the play because the batter-runner has not yet touched first base. If the defense appeals by tagging the runner (or base) and appealing that the runner missed first base before the runner returns to first base, the batter-runner would be declared out.
The text is underlined in the book signifying a change for the 2018 season in Minor League Baseball. It further explained that the interpretation was added to clarify that on plays where the batter-runner overruns and misses first base and has both feet beyond the base before a play is made there, the umpire should make no “Safe” call (i.e., make no call on the play).
The following interpretation can be found in the 2016 BRD (section 362, p. 242):
FED Official Interpretation: Hopkins: If BR misses first but beats the throw, he is “considered safe” and the umpire should so signal. If the defense appeals, the umpire will reverse his call.
2015 NFHS Baseball Rules Interpretations SITUATION 20: The batter hits the ball to the shortstop who bobbles the ball and throws late to first base. The batter-runner beats the throw but does not touch first base. RULING: The runner beats the ball on the play and is considered to be safe. The defense must appeal the missed base or tag the batter-runner before he returns to first in order to have the out declared for the missed base. (8-2-1 Penalty)
Dang my guy brings the facts! Bummer we’re stuck with two texts that haven’t been updated in 5+ years.
Lindsay from CCS does amazing breakdowns that provides information and insights on unusual plays.
This format and your breakdown would be awesome.
Looking forward to more!
Never thought Lindsay/TMac were going to have someone else that I trusted in providing valuable content. You are doing amazing work for the FED umpiring development.
@@UmpireClassroom I mentioned the NFHS UmpiresManual in response to a couple of earlie rposts. It says make a safe call and then, if the defense appeals him missing first base, make an out call. That comes from the 2023 and 2024 Manual.
I like this style of training. Videos help greatly.
Thanks for watching and the comment. Helps me to learn what people want to see more of!
Good video. At the 1:56 minute mark we can see that the runner does not touch the base. So the umpire does not wait long enough in my opinion. He should have waited to see the runner touch the base...then said, "Safe Ball is on the ground."
Maybe he could get by with just "Ball's on the ground"? I think we need some call after the tag attempt to let everyone know we saw the tag attempt, and it was unsuccessful. And then hold off on a safe or out call until the BR returns and touched first or is tagged. Thoughts?
@@richverost6416 We had a long discussion about whether to make a "safe" call if a batter runner misses first base at an association meeting a couple of weeks ago. About half of our association said to make a "safe" call and about half said not to make any call at all until the runner returns and touches the base. As I pointed out to our association, the answer is actually in the NFHS Umpires Manual on Page 34: "20. FORCE PLAY AT FIRST BASE WHERE BATTER-RUNNER MISSES BASE -- If a runner beats a throw at first base on a force play, bur misses first base, the umpire shall signal "safe" and then call the runner "out" on appeal."
Really like this format
Similar to basketball channel: A Better Official.
This is great!
Great stuff. Thanks!!
Glad it helped!
Nice job
Love all of your videos. Keep them coming! Have you setup a discord or something similar that we can submit videos we might have questions for? Then if you deem it worthy to do a video on?
Not yet! I hadn't really thought of that. Is it good for that? I was thinking of that or maybe a facebook group if we can keep it appropriate lol
@@UmpireClassroom I also watch another channel that has every mlb ejection called closecallsports. They have a discord and it’s awesome. I love your channel because it’s geared to NFHS.
The first scenario, had there been a tag, the player losing the ball diving to the ground does not matter. The ball wasn’t dislodged during the tag attempt, he had control of the ball through the tag and voluntary release isn’t necessary because this isn’t a catch situation. Close Call Sports went over a similar play last year.
In regards to your hypothetical (there is actually a tag and then the fielder falls and drops the ball):
NCAA actually requires body control, so it would be a drop and no tag.
You are correct about OBR-related manuals giving the umpire some judgment here if the drop is clearly after the tag (and not immediately after).
This is NFHS, and I have yet to discover what that particular manual says.
@@MwD676 I'll check the BRD
Love this.
Thanks
Hope it helps!
Great video. Question on the first one: Are we actually calling that runner safe, even though there was no touch of first base? I have been advised that we no longer do this and we are to make no call, just like when a runner misses the plate.
I'm not aware of any teaching to not signal safe on this. That said, your local assignor/evaluator gets more say in that then I do. If you can send any reference to a clinic or association teaching that I'd love to learn more!
I am not an NFHS umpire. Just do rec games. I had the same question about the first play. The batter/runner was not out as the ball was on the ground but I don't have initially safe either as he did not touch 1st base until he returns to the base. As such, I would have signaled nothing. Maybe, verbalize "No tag".
@@davidwurbel6610 So how do you know that his "safe" sign for wasnt for a "no tag"? Ive been taught that we should signal "safe" even if the batter-runner misses 1st base as he is assumed to have touched first base once he passes it.........could still be called out on appeal though until he ends up touching it
You can verbalize no tag, but it would still have a safe signal with it. Unless specifically instructed by your assignor, I’d encourage you to still signal on this play. Even before the runner goes back and touches.
I like this style of video. the one where the runner goes down first base line could have been a question. if he was out of the base path, maybe a call by the umpire at home
As an evaluator my question to the base umpire on the second play would have been why weren't you looking at the obstruction and to the plate umpire, why didn't you call obstruction if you're looking at the runner rounding second base.
Indeed, it ‘‘twas the question asked haha
We missed it, but learn and move on!
Good video
Hey! At 3:28 the catcher's foot is partially out of the catcher's box lines!!!
lol
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👍 thank you!
Our pleasure!
Patrick!!..... 2 questions about that first play: 1. Shouldn't the P.U. have yelled to his partner, "I'm on the line!" ?? (or did he?) 2. Why didn't the defense appeal the obvious miss of 1st base by the b.r.?
He didn’t, but I also would not advise to yell while the ball is in the infield. That can be distracting for the players and shouldn’t necessarily shock anyone.
To your second point, every fielder was either watching the pitcher or the umpire, and none of them saw the runner go past the base without touching. The coach that came out was arguing that the runner was tagged. He had no idea the pitcher didn’t complete the tag!
Nice!
Thanks!
On the second play, obstruction by the SS, did the offensive coach come out and question whether there was obstruction? It sure seems like the plate umpire should have seen the runner rolling on the ground.
A newbie here , on the 2nd scenario where r1 got interfered and had went back to 2nd on a dive , does he have to be tagged or does fielder just have to touch the bag …. Ty in advance or any other watchers can help me out .
Since R1 had already touched 2B, the base to which he was forced, he can only be put out by being tagged. Of course, he should have been awarded 3B on the obstruction.
The 1st play, if you watch the runner, "Both" of his feet were past the 3' lane, he's Out
Incorrect. The batter-runner is not restricted to the runner's lane. However, he IS restricted to an area +/- 3 feet from his established base path from the time the tag attempt is imminent. Don't confuse the runner's lane (which exists as a safe place for him to run without being liable for INT with the fielder taking a throw at 1B) with the base path rules.
If the defense was paying attention on that first play they would have went and appealed the runner missing the base by tagging him. Instead they sat around and complained. Great call by that ump and get that coach off the field way sooner. He shouldn't be out on the field to begin with.
Shouldn't have the PU make that obstruction call ? BU is responsible till 2nd base touch then PU takes runner to 3rd therefore seeing and calling obstruction any thoughts?
Either can call it if they see it. Generally, in rounding a base, the umpire that has the touch should take responsibility for obstruction by fielders around the base. 2nd is tough because it’s the only base with two fielders.
On the second play it looks like the PU would have had the play at third.
I agree. Telling your partner you're "staying home" in the middle of a play (when those kids can run like jack rabbits!!....LOL!!) would never give my partner any time to cover a
potential play at 3rd. I would have at least gravitated towards 3rd thus splitting the difference(???). Thoughts?
@@prsguitars42 The decision was up to the plate umpire.
@@prsguitars42 If the PU says he's going to take 3rd, I don't want to go over there as well. Nudging over is one thing but you don't want two umpires on one play.
The PU needs to be careful or aware that he could be run over at the plate as well. It's not unusual that we assume the runner is going to slide and he doesn't slide but comes standing up like a freight train. I've seen this at least twice this year. Not every high school team is going to have the best trained and experienced players around.
New guy here. The first clip, the runner missed first.
Love these, but you going to get opposing opinions.
1) coach shouldn't go past foul line. Umpires need to have better game management here, but in the end, not horrible. I typically am a "keep them in the game if you can" kind of umpire. Especially if I didn't perform like I should have which exacerbated the issue.
2) It's hard to imagine both umpires missing this. Not saying it couldn't happen to me, but it's embarrassing for sure.
3) the wedge on calls at the plate is a hugely important skill to develop IMO. That being said, my son, being a catcher, got many outs in big games because the umpire was not in position.
1) The coach not going past the foul line I believe is a college mechanic. It may be in some state associations as well but sadly not yet in GHSA.
2) Definitely a tough miss 😬
3) So important. I just want to see the old school guys stop going 1st base extended!
I'm a 30+ year HS/Youth umpire. The only problem I have with this video is that the commentator looks like he's 12...what can he possibly know, right? Very good stuff, especially the part about a coach coming out to contest a call must go back to the dugout while the crew discusses the play, and should not be allowed back out to re-argue the final decision! Keep it up, sonny.😁
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Am I the only one that saw near the 2 minute mark the base runner never touched first base and could’ve been tagged out ?
Runner didn’t touch first either.
Well he eventually did. But he would have been out if appealed before his return to 1st.
Any comment on the fact that the runner is called safe at first, even though he did not touch first? Yes, runner is safe, ball is dropped. But then the runner misses first base. He would be out on proper appeal, even though the ball was dropped.
He would only be out if they appealed before he returned to the bag.
In the first scenario, the batter never touched first base, therefore the umpire never made a safe call until the runner came back and touched first which he did correctly. The ball on the ground made no difference.
He signals safe before the runner returns. (The coach is even out to the foul line to argue before the runner returns.)
I do agree that the ‘ball on the ground’ is immaterial-but it’s because there was no tag to begin with.
So who’s got the baseball ⚾️ off the bat
runner had both feet out of running lane
On the first example…the batter/runner should be out. He deviated substantially (3+ ft) from the established base path to avoid the tag! And he was outside of the runners lane.
We debated that in a short about a month back, and it was definitely a possibility that he left the base path.
That said, the actual rule for the runners lane doesn’t apply here. It’s 3 feet wide so that helps, but the actual runners lane rule only applies on a ball being thrown to first. Not a tag play.
@@UmpireClassroom Thanks for the clarification on the runners lane. It still seems like he deviated his base path too much. Especially since he completely missed 1st base.
He starts just to the right of the foul line. Deviates just to right of the 3-foot line. Seems to me that he is exactly 3 feet from his established base path-which is legal.
First play...and when you give that, "Balls on the ground!" mechanic? You do NOT point directly at the baseball! You don't want to "help" the defense there. You are merely informing all the players verbally that the ball is on the ground and therefore there was no tag. When you give this mechanic, just point down at your own feet.
Second play...yes, PU should have called off the rotation here, however...let's say R1 did not steal on the pitch, ball is down fair in the OF and the rotation is on. PU should be picking up R1 as soon as they start rotating. PU is not responsible for the touch at 2B but, try to see that touch anyway, if possible. Then continue to follow R1 as they come through 2B and visually track them all the way to 3B. If you do this, you will see that or any other obstruction between 2B and 3B and can make that call. This is very important if the ball is hit to F9 or down the RF line because U1 will have a very difficult time seeing the ball down, seeing the touch at 2B AND seeing any potential obstruction.
Third play...this is absolutely textbook wedging of a tag play at the plate. If you are uncertain about the wedge, if you are teaching the wedge, if you have a partner that is struggling with the wedge then I highly recommend you view and or utilize this video.
Thanks for watching and the great insights! So true on play 1 about the on the ground mechanic. Glad you mentioned it!
Play 1… we don’t care that the Batter/Runner clearly steps out of the runners lane at the time of the tag? That’s not worth a discussion? Plate umpire seemed to be spectating and we just didn’t even act like it’s a thing.
Does the runners lane apply to tag plays? (The answer is it does not)
Runners lane only applies to balls thrown to first.