NFHS Pitching Violations: Rules and Case Plays Review
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
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With respect to Case Play 8 at 12:10 Rule 8-2-7 - “A batter-runner who reaches first base safely and then overruns or overslides may immediately return without liability of being put out provided he does not attempt or feint an advance to second.” So, BR may be Safe. Depends HOW he stepped off. ie. taking his lead or just stepped through the base. (this changed in 2018)
I used to umpire youth baseball, and we never used the "elbow" rule. Rather, we used the rule that if any white or gray was visible on the pitcher's arm, other than their uniform, it was a violation.
I've had the "hat coming off" but personally, I never did anything about it.. Learn something new.. THUMBS UP from Houston County Umpires
As always fantastic video. Thank you. Only clarification I offer is at very end of cp 21, you stated pitcher re moved from game when I belive you meant removed from pitching role.
The hat falling off frequently is a problem I have seen in the past, very informative. Houston County Umpires.
Case play #8 (12:07) might get people to incorrectly believe that a runner who has walked cannot safely overrun 1st.
PLAY: B1 has a count of 3-2. There is a check swing on a pitch in the dirt. The catcher attempts to block it but the ball rolls several feet away. The PU does *not* call it a strike but both teams play it like an uncaught third strike - which is common. The catcher chases the loose ball and throws to 1st but not in time to "retire" B1. B1 overruns 1st and F3 tags him while he's off the base. B1 is *not* out.
Sure, this isn't exactly the "hidden ball" trick. A distinction must be made between "stepping off a base" and "overrunning a base." I had to reread this case play a couple times to be convinced that B1 didn't simply overrun 1st.
You're definitely right. It's not the best worded question. This actually comes directly from the case book but could be fixed moving forward.
Pete Rose (aka "Charlie Hustle") used to routinely sprint to 1st on a walk even though there was seldom any reason to do so. He could legally overrun 1st without being in jeopardy of being tagged. This is quite different to casually reaching 1st (i.e. not overruning) and then "wandering" off the bag.
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Question.. Not common but here it goes anyways. I read once that a batter runner, even on a balk has the right to overrun first base regardless of how he got there (just as he would on a grounder in the infield running to first. And this applies to a walk. With that said, if a BR walks and goes to first, overruns first and does not make an attempt to turn towards second, doesn't that mean he cannot be tagged out at that point? Only after he returns to first and occupies it can he then be tagged out if leaving the bag?
What about this:
The pitcher is wearing a card on the wrist of his glove hand that has all the pitches/plays on it. Very common. He gets a group of numbers from the coach and both the pitcher and catcher refer to the card. There's a runner on 1st. The pitcher engages the rubber with the intent to pitch from the set position. The coach yells out, "3 - 2 - 2", The pitcher raises his glove arm to reference the card.
Balk?
I see this somewhat frequently. More commonly, the pitcher refers to the card while *not* engaged with the rubber. To be honest, I have never called it a balk since it seems somewhat picky, but it does seem to me as sort of a "start and stop" balk. Once engaged with the rubber, the pitcher shouldn't be doing this kind of fidgeting. Wouldn't we balk him for adjusting his cap in the same situation?
can you define enguaged the pitchers plate? Is it simply having a toe on it before preparing to pitch? or touching the rubber as one would before they pitch? or does it matter? I saw this called in a HS game 3 weeks ago and it was called a balk.
The question is, if a picture wears long sleeve white which is illegal can he just slide his sleeves up above elbow? That would be considered legal correct?????
Called pitcher’s cap continuously coming off the pitcher’s head and the game was stopped and a tournament director was called over to oversee the coach protest. Coward coach refused to pay the $100 cash fee for a protest to be considered. I asked the coach to provide his pitcher with a better fitting cap. He did not. When he went by me to his coach box he said.” Hope you are happy; you made a 14 year old quit pitching.” Because the 175 point Norway rat used the word “ You “ I should of ejected his ass but it was inning 3 of game one is a week long tournament working for a new group. Fact: I did not remove the pitcher. Next inning a relief pitcher comes in because little Johnny was do traumatized by a rule requiring him to wear his uniform properly that he quit pitching. Here’s the crazy part- reliever can’t keep his cap on wither. First 20 pitches his cap flew off his head 18 times. After pitch 20 and the pitcher delaying the game I called time and stepped in front of home plate and told the pitcher he was finished pitching. 175 pound Norway rat ran onto the field thinking I had ejected his pitcher. Since I didn’t eject his starter when his cap came off his head he should have known the penalty is not ejection. Little Homer can play shortstop or centerfield or anywhere on the diamond, but he can’t pitch because he can’t figure out how to wear a baseball cap. Since I followed the N.F.H.S. rules which was the rule set being used there wasn’t a damned word he could say. Second pitcher removed. Starter removed himself and I removed first reliever. End result was I ejected no one- big mistake- and the team that couldn’t wear caps got their ass kicked. Coach was a pouty bitch entire game. If you want to practice game management try earning extra cash working travel ball tournaments. It’s an eye opening experience. You may wonder why all the fuss. Joe Morgan of the Big Read Machine in the 70’s has a table tennis table set up on the Red’s clubhouse to improve eye sight and hand - eye coordination.
Pressed damn send button accidentally. Back to hall of fame Red’s second baseman Joe Morgan from Oakland California; Joe always trained his eye on the pitcher’s cap because that’s the arm slot in most cases where the ball is coming from. In an effort to pick the ball up out of the pitcher’s hand Joe Morgan focused his eyes in a spot he thought would enable him to pick the ball up at the earliest opportunity. Tracking the ball from pitcher’s hand to catcher’s glove is the key to calling balls and strikes and being consistent doing so.
The pitcher’s cap flying off his head is distracting and is illegal. It’s an unfair advantage. When your pitcher has to bend over to pick his cap up after delivering a pitch he is burning energy needed to compete. Most youth coaches aren’t smart enough to figure it out. They are admirable volunteers but woefully incompetent coaches. This rule is buried in the case book. Try calling it and watch all hell break loose. In some cases youth baseball coaches are big babies. Combine the big baby phenomenon with rule ignorance and gradient degrees of arrogance and it’s not a fun time at the ole ballpark. But the players need umpires. It’s really a community service.
Where does it talk about the cap? Didn’t know this so I went to look it up and I’m having trouble finding it.
Buried in the case book
@rayray4192 but what is the rule? If it's in the casebook, it must also be a rule.
@@jeffscully1347 it’s a rule that you must wear your uniform correctly brother Jeff. It’s pathetic when a pitcher can’t keep his cap
On his head. It’s even more pathetic when a coach argues his pitcher has a right to lose his cap continually. I wanna say the prohibition is hidden in the case book in a part of the case book about umpire responsibilities. The Feds. are mostly village idiots, but they do have some good points.
I would be ashamed if my pitcher couldn’t keep his cap on his head. It looks ridiculous, sloppy, and childish. A pitcher also wastes energy bending over and picking up his cap. I’ll look it up for you.
@@jeffscully1347 it was 10.2.3 (c) l. May have changed for 2023. Hope you are well and happy.
@@rayray4192 I'm not arguing that it isn't a rule. Heck, it's my FAVORITE rule. I just would like to know the rule number so I can let it roll sweetly off my tongue, as tell the coach.
Can anyone splain to me why gray gloves are not allowed please.
Because light shades of gray blend in with a ball in certain lighting
I think this is a hilarious rule, especially when pitchers are allowed to wear white hats.@@UmpireClassroom
I disagree with allowing the pitcher to rub anything on the baseball. I agree in HS that they rarely rub the baseballs down. I would not penalize the pitcher but rather replace the ball and tell the home team they need to rub that ball down. Enough umpires across the country doing that will get the home team into the habit of doing that. - Or if urgency is an issue I will do it. so the pitcher isn't violating the rule.
Pitcher wearing sunglasses? Not a medical issue. Distracting?
Pitchers are allowed to wear sunglasses
@@Thomashouseofboys pitchers can not wear anything considered distracting to the batter.
@@rayray4192 If the umpire deems them distracting, the umpire can ask the pitcher to remove them. However, there is no specific rule stating that a pitcher can't wear sunglasses. That falls under the category of most common baseball myths.
@@Thomashouseofboys you are correct