AMD's Watching Intel Lose To Themselves
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
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0:00 - Intro
0:20 - Sony Walks It Back: tinyurl.com/yu68cgyg
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2:23 - Phoenix Nirvana GPU: tinyurl.com/32avdqjz
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3:34 - UFD Deals: www.ufd.deals
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4:29 - AMD & Nvidia Gobbling All of It: tinyurl.com/ytehcmed
5:23 - Hades II Early Access: tinyurl.com/yolbu95l
6:24 - Intel’s Power Profile Deadline: tinyurl.com/32r4mv5s
9:54 - Comment Response
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Presenter: Brett Sticklemonster
Videographer: Brett Sticklemonster
Editor: Brett Sticklemonster
Thumbnail Designer: Michael Pellow - Наука та технологія
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Man that Intel "Snake Oil" presentation aged poorly right from the start, but in light of the recent stuff it has aged super badly.
"Core truths". 😂😂😂
Intel fanboys will always defend Intel ~
Intel's snake oil aged like spoil milk 🤣🤣
1 million subscribers soon. Good job Brett
Sony: "we're still learning what is best for PC players". More like they're trying to see what we can get away with.
What's that? Asking them to make an account?
Situation is a bit overblown let's be honest, gamers don't give a fuck about security, if they do they would've lashed back against all the other company that does the same shit Sony is doing.
😂
Bet long term plan was to force PSN plus for monthly online gaming
This was gonna lead to PSN membership charges just to play a Sony game on your PC.
Productivity benchmarks need to be redone as well. Hardware Unboxed did a gaming review of the 14900K at the old baseline level with ASUS (which is now considered "extreme") and overall it still does not beat the 7800X3D except for I believe 4 games out of 12.
But now at 188w we should expect that to increase even more for X3D but now productivity benchmarks such as encoding need to be redone with 7950X
The 14900k tied the 7950x in productivity and and won in gaming so it'll easily lose productivity, what I'm more interested in is if the 7950x3d now wins over the 14900k in productivity also
The human eye can't even see more than 24%
I can confirm that this is true.
320hz per eye so double it with a blended flip flop
Irregular nerve focus clusters making shapes naturally forming in my vision like cross hairs
You are exaggerating. The human eye can’t see.
The human nose cant see more than 24dB.
intel needs to go back to 95w CPU's 105w max due to even AMD requiring that much
not only is 125w - 253w is insanely hard to cool it's also awful for longevity
They don’t need to go that far down. People have been running overclocked intel chips for years in the 150-180 watt range on msdt. The 13/14600K go up to 181 watts and don’t have the stability issues that the higher end CPUs are displaying. Higher power means higher temperatures which mean more amps which is what causes degradation. Intel’s flagship CPUs regularly surpass 100 C and when you combine that with motherboard manufacturers pushing in over 300 and in some cases 400 watts, that’s when you see the issues that we are seeing here. Intel has said in the past that their P cores (back then normal cpu cores that are not atom cores as the P core terminology had not been invented yet) should never exceed 25 amps, which is exactly what is happening in the higher end Raptor Lake CPUs.
@@dex6316 people overclocking doesn't matter, nowadays theres a reason people undervolt. stock shouldn't run higher than 105w theres no need and not to mention their stock coolers are basically irrelevant at 125w+ not everyone buying an i7 or i5 use it for Gaming it also need to be able to scale down for laptops and miniATX i really believe AMD and old intel were best.
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Wattage doesn't change the longevity, single core peak voltage is what ruins them, and you're never anywhere near full boost during all core loads, running a CPU at 4.2GHz instead of 3.7GHz when it can peak at 5GHz, isn't going to hurt the core, it only consumes heaps more power. my 5900x is working well within spec when it's pulling 200w, remember one core running at 5GHz on a modern CPU is using >80w, at base clock it's using 10w, look at the eco modes halving the power usage and only loosing 10% performance.
rapid heating, and large heat gradients between cores will IMHO be far worse than pure wattage, and that comes down technical implementations of core boosting and transient power management where TDP is meaningless.
Will they cut the price by 25%?
No of course they won't they are more likely to increase it by 25% 😂
Goated comment 😂
😂😂😂 if only, how about 25% refunds?
No, they are gonna rebrand the 14900K to the 14900K-Super-Eco and sell the energy gains as a feature that warrants a price hike of 25%.
@@The_Stef trrruuuu
It was dirty for Sony to change the terms of service like the raccoons that they are. I will wait for a few more months to see about getting HD2 because of their actions and how they will respond. Respect for the community for understanding that them walking this back may have cach to it.
Microsoft is even worse with all ther studios, then followed by Rockstar and EA and Ubisoft and then you see Sony, so yes sony is atleast the better option when it comes to gaming. but the best people can chose is indie games because the big companys are too greedy and are out of touch for gaming a decade if not even more.
@allxtend4005 yea, but what have you ever had the other companies try to make a game unplayable months after launch? No one said the others are not bad, but too many make the excuse of another company is worse to undermind the one we are talking about. It's the same for cars, phones and other manufacturers.
Democracy has prevailed!!!
really? Kind of as it got a major dip in sells by cutting off 117 countries from being able to have people pay them. So i would say capitalism won. As profits took a nose dive after the requirement for a PSN account was required.
It's a statement from the game not everything has to be serieus. Or i might have to report you for treason :/@@yumri4
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Temporarily.
@@yumri4capitalism fixes issue created by capitalism let's goooo
i hope for april fools next year, reece pops up and he’s like “hey welcome back to deals… i couldn’t find any, THERE WERE NO DEALS ANYWHERE”
Holy shit, this channel now has a 900k subs. HOLY.
*Im still remember* "about 6 / 7yrs ago" *that people in the comment says* :
"you using linus & J2C to get a viewers & sub"
Congrat & succes then. 😀
It’s funny because if Sony log in would have been required from the very beginning it wouldn’t have been such a big uproar
It also would not be this popular
Edit: I mean the game.
I’m just hoping the cape isn’t added as a reward for linking your psn account
It was listed as an additional requirement on the page for purchase on steam. However, there was no attention drawn to it and the CEO of Arrowhead delayed roll out of it because of stability issues with the game as a whole at launch. At least that's what I have been told. I bought it on the PS5 because I couldn't come to grips with installing their root level anti cheat software since that company hasn't had the best track record. But all of my friends have stopped playing because of this, and they aren't coming back even though Sony backed down. Seems to me it was a pyrrhic victory at best.
@@helldog3105 while this is true, they also had a FAQ that clearly stated it wasn’t necessary to play the game, which they changed after people pointed it out after the announcement
@@prylantic I think it would still be as popular. Everyone already makes an account for origin/ EA/ Bethesda games. I’m saying once everyone got a taste of freedom there was no going back
Love this Playlist thanks for sharing it
The gaming community is powerful!
More likely, the fact that steam was willing to refund is the reason they walked it back and no hell divers in none psn countries
Do not forget the Locked One Seventy Seven!
I dont care what the title on the box says of my brettfast cereal. Im hungry and im eating it
Thanks for the explanation on the channel at the end of the video. Kind of goes along with the video released this weekend by Reese.
Putting the headline story and the end also means everyone will stay for the comment responses as well, which is a very interactive part of the channel that I enjoy
And this video thus marked the beginning of UFD tech's, "Face in video thumbnails" Era.
Get ready for all sorts of Brett facial expressions. 😂
So the real question is why with all the 100s of reviews of the 13th and 14th gen cpus did not one reviewer call out that these chips aren't stable?
Reece that Cort Guitar looks so badass from what I’ve seen, love to hear you play and hear the specs!
I’m a guitarist myself and I’m a gear nerd I must admit
Intel’s power limit ultimatum for mobo manufacturers is hilarious. I overclocked my i5-12600K to 5.3ghz on the P-cores and 4.2 and the E-core. With an all core load, it reaches about 226W lmao. My v-core is somewhere between 1.335V - 1.345V btw. With gaming, it never goes higher than 70C. With normal internet browsing, in stays at 35C - 45C
About the Intel stability issue, are the the 14900/F, 14700/F 65w sku are effected as well or if it is just the K/KS skus?
5:00 qualities or quantities?
There are multiple reasons why one should consider buying a game in early access. First of all, you will have access to the final game but typically for a cheaper price. Second, if you care about the game, you can contribute to the development of the game with your comments and feedback to the dev team. And third, it's a sign of support for the indie teams who pour all their love, blood, and sweat into their games, who don't have access to/don't want to work with big publishers. In the case of Hades II, it already looks very polished and finished even in early access. I would definitely support the dev team because their track record shows how amazing they are. As a game developer myself, I know the struggles and I have the utmost respect for Supergiant Games and other similar indie teams who self-publish their games to be able to maintain the creative freedom that allows them to create such great experiences.
we’re adding brett to the thumbnails? i’m interested to see if that affects click through
i recall one of the reason for Helldivers 2 decision to require a PSN account was for safety and security. Are they joking? Didn't they have a massive security breech some years ago? Didn't Sony have ROOT KITS on their home movie DVDs? Even this game has a really bad DRM that people don't like. Having yet another login somewhere is LESS SECURE, since it's another point of a data leak.
😂 Brett I thought you were taking it THERE when you said “You better fix your motherboards, motherboard makers”. Motherboards makers could have easily rolled off the tongue as something else. That made my morning, but I spat out my tea.
I pasted my rtx 3080 asus rog strix oc 10gb with the ptm and it dropped temps by well over 8 degrees and honestly it last significantly longer (i used a combo method of thermal pad with a single layer of ptm on any parts that need the pad for elevation
This has a been a 5mnth personal study
Intel 15th and 16th gen will hopefully redeem them. The new Core Ultra (15th gen) line up seems to have much better power efficiency and pretty good Integrated Graphics. 16th Gen (Lunar Lake) will hopefully be even better.
if you enjoyed Hades i can recommend "Death must die". Its like Hades and Vampire Survivors had a beautiful baby
The fact that they are making a cape over the negative designs show that these people have a good sense of humor.
So, Intel will be facing a class action lawsuit here real soon I bet
Re: SFF. Most mainstream SFF is super awkwardly positioned. Meaning I have 'SFF' cases big enough to fit E-ATX but they only hold an ITX board. Realistically most ITX cases could fit a MATX board, the designers just didn't try hard. I feel PIO does not even get a mention, mostly because it is a China market only thing. But its available in LGA 1700 for under $100 shipped if you can work TaoBao and shipper services. I made a 4060 LP system in a 1.9L case with some 8mm spacers for the lid. Just waiting for some low profile competition from Intel/AMD to get the market going.
Publishing should be a government service to prevent all these greedy companies from messing up their clients.
And after all it's in the interest of the government to promote national products because successful business = more taxes.
"we're not stringing you along to keep you watching", "we just found that that's the best way to keep view retention" LMAO "I'm not stealing from you, I'm just re-apportioning wealth"
AMD: Throw more memory it.
Intel: Throw more energy in it!!!!
I have to wonder if we're eventually going to see issues with the 12900K. I could be wrong, but it seems like some of this could be due to degradation. Regardless, I'm glad I talked my nephew out of an i9 and into the 13700K for his build we put together over the weekend.
Nah the 12900k is the most stable cpu to come out of this P+E core nonsense
@@christianrobloxserver7282 Sure, but degradation can be a very quick process or it can take time. It's entirely possible that you wouldn't see degradation issues for a few years.
Want to see the new benchmarks for knee-capped intel -vs- amd
That Phoenix Nirvana looks awesome and immense. if I hadn't bought a 7900xtx already, that would be high on my list. When do we get a Radeon Noctua edition?
I'm loving the style of UFD keep up the great work people.
The new hardware unboxed reviews show a much smaller drop than 25% in terms of performance.
Watch the very end of the video, they ran it on A sus's baseline profile not the new Intel baseline.
Hotnews time
You need to talk more about A.I.
Since Nvidia we're going to cut production of gaming gpu's down to less than 10% of our total production. We're making too much money doing A.I.
Thanks for all the leather though.
AI is simply not profitable. Art created using AI doesn't enhance the product, but cheapens it. You can't skimp on removing the human artist, then charge the same thing and pocket the cost savings because competition will lower the price down.
My intel got 625 watts the other day on cinebench
Thing about Hades II is Supergiant game already proven they can handle an early release with the first Hades and so far they haven't done anything to cost them their players support ..
so for this one I'd say it's worth it if you're into it
need a comparison of stability in both platforms. web forums are full of horror stories, some of which are without solutions.
Wow, I would've take Kyler for a Dergassi fan
Kinda feels unreal that Sony actually backed down. I was ready to swear off all Sony games on PC but looks like Ghost of Tsushima is back on the menu potentially.
Swear
Since Amazon launched today in South Africa, Reece should start showing us those good deals once in a while!
You should peel that PC glass panel when you hit a million subs on youtube, or make something about it on your twitch stream, like peel it in increments
Wonder how much a drop to 188W will drop performance?
By much
you can see this on gigabyte boards with their base line profile active and it is double digit drop in performance and yes frame times suffer too
I could see it the other way as as I expect it's probably almost impossible to get a license or anything for them since i suspect NYC government is not efficient
You better fix your motherboards, mother partners!
Fix it
Imagine if you bought a car and the motor was made by Ferrari and you put a $2000 cooler on the engine, but they were blowing up and Ferrari said ok we said 350 HP then told the car manufacturers turn it down to 280 HP. But you bought a 350 HP car and extra mitigations. You might be entitled to return the car.
You just described a Maserati 🤣, and of course the vast majority of Maserati buyers (as with Intel i9) are just buying it as shiny thing to put out without knowing what to use it for. If you are rendering you can probably build a whole dual socket 36 or 40 core x99 system for about the same as a single i9 chip. If gaming the 12700KF is under $200 new, and if you put the $200 or $300 you save into the GPU or an OLED monitor you're probably going to have a better experience. You gotta ask yourself what you are doing. (Also I cannot see paying more than $150, more likely $120 for a motherboard, but that's a whole different issue). People just spec out systems and spend $600+ more than they need to all day long.
The heck? 188w instead of 253? Makes me wonder what Intel knows about these chips that we don't. I've been running my 13700k at 253 with an undervolt and it's been fine like that on air, think I'll just leave it like that if new bios will default to 188w.
NGL, the job mo cut to Reece was a shocker 🤣
I waited a week after release to buy Hell Divers II based on all the good vibe.
Installed it, ran it. Got the PSN account screen and Rage Quiet.
I distain having to have multiple DRM and log ins and accounts just to play a game. Steam knows my identity, The multiple accounts should be forbidin!
Rap poisons everything.
A little late for intel, they are only tryng to save themselves from a huge amonunt of warranties demands, or even worst with a class action.
This may in fact "help" intel with Arrow Lake, if rumors are accurated, about not been as fast as previous gen. They could show benchmarks Arrow Lake vs previous gen using basline profile.
I think a great name for the cape would be “Democracy at work!”
AMD is the way to go for CPUs and GPUs. You get great performance and more of it for your money. Stop throwing away your hard earned money!
188 watts for pl 2, thats around what my 13700k pulls at full load after undervolting - 0.100v
So is CoWoS the new hotness that's replacing FinFET at TSMC?
😂 I have a 13900k.. and with even the latest BIOS "stock" setting.. I saw a 5-6 thousand cine bench r23 score drop
177 countries don't have access to PSN? WTH, that's like almost all the countries. WTH Sony been doing all these years?
As of currently only 69 countries have official access to the Playstation Network. What is crazy is areas like Puerto Rico aren't technically covered, even if they can use the US network. There is some gray area there that could result in a ban. It's kind of insane looking at the list almost all of Africa is excluded and so is a large portion of South America. Outlying regions for Britain, and even France have zero coverage. It's absolutely crazy. I guess the cost to maintain infrastructure in those regions outweighs the benefits they get from them. But since Sony was willing to throw their golden goose of a game under the bus to increase their MAU numbers for PSN, I shouldn't be surprised.
Beverage for my ears....hmm t-shirt?
It's like watching the Kendrick Lamar vs Drake beef xD
damn
I finally get enough money to get an Intel K CPU that I paid extra for to have the ability to overclock it and now I can't safely? I want my money back.
DEMOCRACY! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
I also really enjoyed Hades, but I'm really done with early access games.
So it means that intel processors are not stable? Other youtuber tech made video about intel latency issues too
I wonder if Intel will use the cut down performance in charts with their new CPUs when they come out.
ITS 45% FASTER!!!
They should give the cape as a reward for linking a psn account xD
The cape should just be called "democracy"
If you trust a developer, you can buy the EA for cheaper and just let it mature and play it when it's released.
If you don't trust a developer you don't buy the game until after two years of its release, when it's actually finished and dirt cheap because of bad press. Or just not buy it at all.
Arrow Lake? Someone at Intel needs to have a serious talk with their marketing group. Why would you name a chip series something that sounds a lot like Error Lake?
Well, as I said before, YOU are doing great, also maybe a collaborative giveaway might increase not only your chances of getting to that 1 Mega of subs but also help other content creators to increase their subs
When will Intel come out with ErrorLake CPUs.
how is psn not available in so many countries? is the internet not worldwide can they not just let them do it? what would be the consequences if they did?
Now Sony just needs to uncensor Stellar Blade.
Too many fools bought the game so it isn't gonna happen.
"For the players" 🤣
So now Intel is saying that K chips cannot be overclocked, is that right?
This makes me want to avoid overclockable Intel CPUs
Intel blaming the mobo makers is a bad look. The truth is they released duds
the chips are able to run with that type of power. Just not that long LOL
Question? How are you Doing?
I have been an AMD person forever. When seeling PC's back in the day at Best Buy, my go to was always AMD. Nothing against Intel, but I always thought AMD was a better processor. Now I know they were not faster back then, I just thought they were a better CPU company! I to this day am an AMD fan and will always have AMD as my processor. I feel AMD is athe better/smarter CPU company over Intel and is building faster CPU's. Now if they can just take over the GPU side and beat Nvidia. I also use AMD for my gaming PC, but do have an NVidia for my streaming PC.
Intel: Hey! You better fix your motherboards you motherboard duckers!
Sony was never going to release their games on PC without trying to force PS+ eventually. Thats their cash cow, not selling consoles.
Sony simply can't stop the greed from making stupid decisions. The upper management needs to be FIRED or at least the guy who first proposed this.
Come on INTEL get it together we need you to keep AMD from becoming you 10 years ago.
When people vote with their wallet, big companies listen. I'm talking about the helldivers/sony .
The Golden rule, he who makes the gold, makes the rules😂
Intel's got some brass balls, here. Encouraging board partners to do this, they push too far b/c they can't keep up. Then turn around and demand partners comply. Wounds like any other too big to fail bad acting company. Sigh.
Well technically the eyes don't see, it's the brain so 100% true comment.
I'll watch this later but why do you look like Charlie Sheen from 2 and a Half Men in the thumbnail my guy?
Intel stealing amds bulldozer move lol
Intel should be legally forced to give unconditional refunds to anyone who currently owns an I9 from the 13th or 14th generation.
Sony ruined Hell Divers with their greed