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Is there any difference in the gen1 vs gen2 stock intake manifolds? Gen 2 runs higher boost on stock tune so just curious. Also, when you say you tracked your car with certain setups. . are you talking drag strip or road course? Thanks for sharing the data!
Nice video! What about if you plug the coolant tank and the intake. Because you remove the highest point to bleed the air, could there air be trapped in the intake and effect iat temps? i'm going to install my intake next Friday and it would be nice to block the cooland line off!
I have a 2022 Supra, I did replaced my 5 Heating Changer with Moshimoto, the Turbo Intercoolers, trans Heating Changer , Engine two Heating Changer and Warner tuning Intake manifold and the car works outstanding 😊
@kern417 The coolant tank delete plug seals the intercooler water tank, where and how did you delete the other side? Remove the hose completely that runs over the intercooler? When I look at pics from my engine bay (I have no access to my F22 M240i at the time I watch your video), there seems to be a connector where the metal hose from the intercooler converts to a rubber hose which goes up to the intercooler water tank, can I seal it there? Thank you for your videos! 😊
I inspected that same return hose my self on my 540i with the Gen 1 and I believe the stock manifold is not capable of block off since the hose connects to the manifold but the piece that routes into the intercooler is not removable. I believe you must upgrade your manifold in order to block off the return hose.
Would like to know your thoughts on the Do88 with mera core, Wagner, AMS, CSF and the EOS options and if those might be worth it and if so, for what use cases might they be best. Also, single pass vs dual pass pros and cons.
Hey kern, I recently tuned my ‘19 xm40i with MHD stage 1 and and started to notice after I WOP and shift and immediately let off the throttle, the car continues to accelerate hard for about 1 sec. Not sure what it could be. Scanned for codes but nothing.
Is there any benefit to running an aftermarket heat exchanger + intercooler? Most of the data I see is people upgrading Hx only which is frustrating. The aftermarket options seem to have less dense fins and height at the exchange of making them thicker. This would be for a track car.
Track Supra guys recorded logs and found that if anything, CSF’s heat exchanger increased water temperature compared to stock. Track guys run stock heat exchangers. The drag guys run the PWR since it has 4 passes and works well. Some guys run Forge since it has a higher coolant capacity and is 3 pass.
Hi Kevin, just wanted question the data a little bit. How did you exactly measure the efficiency of each manifold when there isn't a temp sensor running on manifolds. B58 gen1 has MAF/temp sensor on the intake, and another temp sensor on the charge pipe. No air temps can be measured past the charge pipe. Same story with gen2. In fact what we need is a temp sensor post the core in the intercooler to measure delta between charge pipe and temp post intercooler core. That would be amazing but we don't have these as of yet.
IATs are not determined through the MAF sensor. Air past the compressor is probs around 300 degrees Fahrenheit and the intake manifold cools it to 30-40 degrees beyond ambient. Which I think the temp of air is calculated once it runs through the intercooler
@kern417 sorry Kevin, that's is incorrect, a MAP sensor for a b58 as listed by bmw does not measure tempreture, furthermore, it's a 3 wire sensor, 5v ref, ground, and signal. Signal voltage designates pressure, there is graph for voltage vs pressure, not tempreture with bmw documentation. Your channel is very informative and useful, but this is completely false information and is not backed by any evidence. I can give u links to BMW TIS to review what a manifold absolute pressure sensor functional description which lists exactly what it does and how it functions. Please correct this so our community is not mislead.
@@universalg_my point is, there is a temp sensor on the charge pipe indicating temp entering the manifold. However, on ALL B58s there is no temp sensors on the manifold it self, only a pressure sensor which does not measure temps. So how can this video claim differences in IATs and change manifolds and claim that is lowered IAT when he cannot possibly measure what a manifold does after the air went past the cooling core? There is no temp sensor after the cooling core. It's makes no sense.
I feel like everything on the market is just comparing the least worst until you start looking at the single pass setups. I'd like to see the single pass setups vs the dual pass.
Could you do a video on port plates/ port injection setups? Everything you said about the stock bn intake i see complaints about. Bolts backing out. Nuts getting lost. It just doesnt seem like a good replacement.
Thank you, appreciate this so much. I live in north EU and asked around the shops here, drive a early M340i and would love to raise power a bit, a cheap and efficient as possible and stay within very safe limits, OPF delete, sport cat (sadly a must for me), E85 sensor and custom tune, but also asked them about hybrid turbo and immediately said upgrade fueling, don't plan to go beyond 500hp so how come the opinions go apart so much? Confusing to me, supposedly a reputable tuner too making it strange, did I miss something perhaps?
gen 1 b58 yes you need to upgrade fueling gen 2 b58 no need running e85 on stock fueling on either is not gonna go well. getting the most out of the hybrid turbo then yes, upgrade fueling. only pump you dont need ethanol to get to 480hp, and the risks that it adds to a daily driver are not worth the hassle
Thanks for the info brother! Im curious about something, Im sure the IAT ready are after being cooled with the manifold but does an aftermarket air intake impact those readings? Assuming I keep my A90 Supra, I may tune on stock turbo, MSTV2 intake, RK exhaust and may order a downpipe(possibly catted). At this point and with those upgrades, Im not sure if moving to an aftermarket Intake manifold will be worth money wise.
Are there companies that make plastic ones that handle more boost? That seems to be the best solution to me anyway. Why aren't the metals manifolds designed as a passive heatsink also, like the plastic OE?. Metal is so inefficient at dissipating heat. But I suppose the larger core compensates.
What gave you the idea that metal is inefficient at dissipating heat? Are your radiator fins made of plastic? Your HVAC condenser? The IAT's are higher after being parked because the metal is significantly more conductive both ways. That residual heat in the engine bay makes its way into the coolant through the metal casing. A solution to this would be to insulate the manifold, or have cooling after the car is turned off.
Actually, not lies, but misinformed. No way to measure temps on intercooler manifold. There are no temp sensors on a b58 manifold so this is all a baseless video
@leomedway1067 incorrect. This is not new information. If you think all the IAT data we've been reviewing the past near decade is not real then you are alone on that one.
I stand corrected by remnantperformance after a long discussion, and figuring out differences between US and Australian spec. US spec does have a 4 wire system. Which does measure temps. However, we do have some vehicle were we are, Australian spec that do not run a temp sensor and run a 3 wire system for measuring pressure only. However, what I've said above is not applicable to US cars and I just wanted to clarify this.
the intercooler cores on the b58tu and the s58 are actually really good. the only reason to upgrade is if youre running 40 psi of boost and the plastic cant handle it. i have the largest core intake availible on my m240i and the iat difference is literally only 10-15f in 100f summer weather on a 7275 next gen over a stock manifold and same turbo. running e85 alone is enough for the IAT not to matter.
@@DragpackRacingoh yeah i didn’t realize that you are remnant #1 test subject. Gotta use the same handle across all social sites buddy. I still dream about that lost to a Pure btw 😂
@ yea sure thanks the advice so did you come in here to be on junk or what. No facts like normal just hate. Btw never lost to a pure and never will so keep dreaming buddy!!
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Is there any difference in the gen1 vs gen2 stock intake manifolds? Gen 2 runs higher boost on stock tune so just curious. Also, when you say you tracked your car with certain setups. . are you talking drag strip or road course? Thanks for sharing the data!
Nice video! What about if you plug the coolant tank and the intake. Because you remove the highest point to bleed the air, could there air be trapped in the intake and effect iat temps? i'm going to install my intake next Friday and it would be nice to block the cooland line off!
Hi Kern what's the limit on stock inlet manifold like psi and hp?
I like how casual bro is about having 200mph cars😂😂
Kern is the goat
@ I see🤣🤣. He’s definitely on top of REALISTIC daily B58 builds.
I have a 2022 Supra, I did replaced my 5 Heating Changer with Moshimoto, the Turbo Intercoolers, trans Heating Changer , Engine two Heating Changer and Warner tuning Intake manifold and the car works outstanding 😊
Noticeably better?
@@F22B58 i replaced my intake manifold and it was already noticeable
What’s your IATS?
@ freeway cruising 20 over ambient; ambient was about 45. hard driving with ambient temp at 45-50 i saw it reach like high 80
@@john-fo5xvstock making 20 over ambient. You have something wrong.
@kern417 The coolant tank delete plug seals the intercooler water tank, where and how did you delete the other side? Remove the hose completely that runs over the intercooler? When I look at pics from my engine bay (I have no access to my F22 M240i at the time I watch your video), there seems to be a connector where the metal hose from the intercooler converts to a rubber hose which goes up to the intercooler water tank, can I seal it there? Thank you for your videos! 😊
Curious about this as well.
I inspected that same return hose my self on my 540i with the Gen 1 and I believe the stock manifold is not capable of block off since the hose connects to the manifold but the piece that routes into the intercooler is not removable. I believe you must upgrade your manifold in order to block off the return hose.
Aftermarket you just can plug this outlet on the inlet.
Where can I find a video or a blog with the procedure for the bleeder delete of the intake manifold?
whats considered “ high timing “ on b58s
Would like to know your thoughts on the Do88 with mera core, Wagner, AMS, CSF and the EOS options and if those might be worth it and if so, for what use cases might they be best.
Also, single pass vs dual pass pros and cons.
I’m on Pure800 @29psi, Wagner manifold, 2-5F increase on a 60-130 pull. I’d be pissed with 20F increase, that’s what I had on a stock manifold.
Hey kern, I recently tuned my ‘19 xm40i with MHD stage 1 and and started to notice after I WOP and shift and immediately let off the throttle, the car continues to accelerate hard for about 1 sec. Not sure what it could be. Scanned for codes but nothing.
AMS performance also has a really good manifold
Where did you get that cap for your bleeder delete from?
Also need to know! We need a link kern
There called tank blind plugs, find the one that fits your low pressure circuit.
@@rayaany.4069 part number 17128515062. Bought from fcp euro
What about wagner intake manifold?
Wagner is dual pass and should be good but not mention in this video
Is there any benefit to running an aftermarket heat exchanger + intercooler? Most of the data I see is people upgrading Hx only which is frustrating. The aftermarket options seem to have less dense fins and height at the exchange of making them thicker. This would be for a track car.
Track Supra guys recorded logs and found that if anything, CSF’s heat exchanger increased water temperature compared to stock. Track guys run stock heat exchangers.
The drag guys run the PWR since it has 4 passes and works well. Some guys run Forge since it has a higher coolant capacity and is 3 pass.
intercooler lowers IATs. Heat exchanger decreases recovery time so temps drop faster after a pull and reduces heat soak.
Hi Kevin, just wanted question the data a little bit. How did you exactly measure the efficiency of each manifold when there isn't a temp sensor running on manifolds. B58 gen1 has MAF/temp sensor on the intake, and another temp sensor on the charge pipe. No air temps can be measured past the charge pipe. Same story with gen2. In fact what we need is a temp sensor post the core in the intercooler to measure delta between charge pipe and temp post intercooler core. That would be amazing but we don't have these as of yet.
IATs are not determined through the MAF sensor. Air past the compressor is probs around 300 degrees Fahrenheit and the intake manifold cools it to 30-40 degrees beyond ambient. Which I think the temp of air is calculated once it runs through the intercooler
The map sensor on the manifold is a tmap sensor. It measures both temperature and pressure after the intercooler on both gen 1 and gen 2.
@kern417 sorry Kevin, that's is incorrect, a MAP sensor for a b58 as listed by bmw does not measure tempreture, furthermore, it's a 3 wire sensor, 5v ref, ground, and signal. Signal voltage designates pressure, there is graph for voltage vs pressure, not tempreture with bmw documentation. Your channel is very informative and useful, but this is completely false information and is not backed by any evidence. I can give u links to BMW TIS to review what a manifold absolute pressure sensor functional description which lists exactly what it does and how it functions.
Please correct this so our community is not mislead.
@@universalg_my point is, there is a temp sensor on the charge pipe indicating temp entering the manifold. However, on ALL B58s there is no temp sensors on the manifold it self, only a pressure sensor which does not measure temps. So how can this video claim differences in IATs and change manifolds and claim that is lowered IAT when he cannot possibly measure what a manifold does after the air went past the cooling core? There is no temp sensor after the cooling core. It's makes no sense.
@@leomedway1067 the map sensor on top of the manifold is a 4 wire sensor. You can do more research, or simply go look at it.
I feel like everything on the market is just comparing the least worst until you start looking at the single pass setups. I'd like to see the single pass setups vs the dual pass.
yo Kern where did ya come up with that coolant diagram are there any more diagrams like that? just makes it alot easier to visualize
Could you do a video on port plates/ port injection setups? Everything you said about the stock bn intake i see complaints about. Bolts backing out. Nuts getting lost. It just doesnt seem like a good replacement.
You gotta run a thermal spacer for intake manifolds guy
All of my manifolds are installed on phenolic spacers.
Thank you DOC!
Thank you, appreciate this so much. I live in north EU and asked around the shops here, drive a early M340i and would love to raise power a bit, a cheap and efficient as possible and stay within very safe limits, OPF delete, sport cat (sadly a must for me), E85 sensor and custom tune, but also asked them about hybrid turbo and immediately said upgrade fueling, don't plan to go beyond 500hp so how come the opinions go apart so much? Confusing to me, supposedly a reputable tuner too making it strange, did I miss something perhaps?
gen 1 b58 yes you need to upgrade fueling
gen 2 b58 no need
running e85 on stock fueling on either is not gonna go well.
getting the most out of the hybrid turbo then yes, upgrade fueling. only pump
you dont need ethanol to get to 480hp, and the risks that it adds to a daily driver are not worth the hassle
Nothing gets my jollies jumpin like "lets compare data" 😁🤓
Thanks for the info brother!
Im curious about something, Im sure the IAT ready are after being cooled with the manifold but does an aftermarket air intake impact those readings? Assuming I keep my A90 Supra, I may tune on stock turbo, MSTV2 intake, RK exhaust and may order a downpipe(possibly catted). At this point and with those upgrades, Im not sure if moving to an aftermarket Intake manifold will be worth money wise.
cooler air in means cooler air out
That low 9sec white 340i is on stock manifold
He's upgraded now but definitely showed how capable it can be when he had it
Are there companies that make plastic ones that handle more boost? That seems to be the best solution to me anyway. Why aren't the metals manifolds designed as a passive heatsink also, like the plastic OE?.
Metal is so inefficient at dissipating heat. But I suppose the larger core compensates.
no and i wouldn't expect anyone to invest in it
What gave you the idea that metal is inefficient at dissipating heat? Are your radiator fins made of plastic? Your HVAC condenser?
The IAT's are higher after being parked because the metal is significantly more conductive both ways. That residual heat in the engine bay makes its way into the coolant through the metal casing.
A solution to this would be to insulate the manifold, or have cooling after the car is turned off.
@notfst didn't know that. I got the impression that IAT went up with the metal intercooler vs the factory .
But ya. It looksike you're right.
Is the bimmer network(chinese) manifold single or dual pass?
dual
I’ll send you a single pass this week, message me homie.
finally no lies
What do u mean finally? What should he ever lie about....
Actually, not lies, but misinformed. No way to measure temps on intercooler manifold. There are no temp sensors on a b58 manifold so this is all a baseless video
@leomedway1067 incorrect. This is not new information. If you think all the IAT data we've been reviewing the past near decade is not real then you are alone on that one.
I stand corrected by remnantperformance after a long discussion, and figuring out differences between US and Australian spec. US spec does have a 4 wire system. Which does measure temps. However, we do have some vehicle were we are, Australian spec that do not run a temp sensor and run a 3 wire system for measuring pressure only. However, what I've said above is not applicable to US cars and I just wanted to clarify this.
@@leomedway1067nah, you stand corrected by this video… 😂
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the intercooler cores on the b58tu and the s58 are actually really good. the only reason to upgrade is if youre running 40 psi of boost and the plastic cant handle it. i have the largest core intake availible on my m240i and the iat difference is literally only 10-15f in 100f summer weather on a 7275 next gen over a stock manifold and same turbo. running e85 alone is enough for the IAT not to matter.
10-15 degrees is huge in terms of IATs brother.
People change out the intake manifold so they can inject water or methanol too.
@@finemperor3694not in terms of the amount of money it’ll cost
@@SKDYCAT horrible idea on the b58 platform.
@@F22B58 I mean yeah but I’m one of the people that mod their cars slow until I can build it the way I want. Might as well get the best of the best.
You should go check out the remnant intake manifold it’s the biggest and best manifold for the b58. Go check out the data.
Is it a joke?
@ does it sound like a joke? Do you see a lol somewhere!!
@@DragpackRacingoh yeah i didn’t realize that you are remnant #1 test subject. Gotta use the same handle across all social sites buddy. I still dream about that lost to a Pure btw 😂
@ yea sure thanks the advice so did you come in here to be on junk or what. No facts like normal just hate. Btw never lost to a pure and never will so keep dreaming buddy!!
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Its not just iat's. They flow better. And are worth it if youre running port injection or meth or both.