The *almost* Perfect Jammer Arms…PRx Halo Arms Review!
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- Has PRx cracked the code for the best all-in-one, full-motion jammer arm solution?
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0:00 - The almost Perfect Jammer Arms…PRx Halo Arms Review!
1:32 - Overview
2:43 - Coop's Thoughts on Jammer Arms
3:23 - How are PRx's Halo Arms Different?
5:08 - Full-Motion Jammer Arms, Out of the Box
7:17 - PRx Halo Arms Weight
7:37 - Side to Side Movement and Adjustment Options
9:57 - Component and Material Quality
14:58 - The Upcoming Cable Machine Integration
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19:56 - Pricing & How the Halo Arms Could be Further Improved
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PRX ripped off Vendetta Strength and GymPin Adapters!
Yeah I won't buy from them for this reason. Shady. I know there's some back and forth in this industry, we've seen it, but this crosses that line I think. ua-cam.com/video/d6Bycx9GJys/v-deo.html
Vendetta ripped off Free-motion functional trainer
Coop, nothing against you whatsoever, but wanted to make sure you were aware. PRX blatantly ripped this design off from smaller manufacturers and patented it behind their back. This is unethical behavior and think you should re-consider promoting this item until they resolve this. Given your character, I trust you to do the right thing here. Thanks for the content and know I am not at all implying that you were aware of this situation at the time of posting.
Guess we'll see if coop has any character or if the money talks
@@ofinniganmcfury4944 throw stones all you want at coop. Seems like a straight up dude to me. Jealousy really brings out the worst in people.
Not sure what you think Coop is supposed to do. There are so many jammer arms on the market that they all start to blur together, e.g. Crandall vs. Griffin 2.0 vs. etc. I see a similarity between Vendetta and part of the PRx arms but Vendetta doesn't have the horizontal articulation piece, for that you'd need an adapter. If anything I think there's more in common between Crandall, Griffin, and PRx. Not saying PRx didn't take a lot of liberty from other designs to create an all-in-one unit but who's going to judge they crossed a line when a patent has been applied.
For me the point is moot simply b/c PRx is charging $1500 for these things and that's without the pulley option they showcased earlier. Who TF do they think they would pay that much, especially when Coop highlighted a lot of areas for improvement.
This, please support the original inventor and manufacturer!
Notice how Coop has not responded. He knew when he did the review what the story was. But money talks.
Crandall Fitness Adjustable Free Motion Swing Arms are half the price, allow you to lock vertical/horizontal, etc.
Nice! Will take a look! - Coop
@@GarageGymReviewstheir jammer arms have been out for well over a year. Surprised you’ve never heard of them, especially since they’re an American based company
Yeah the Crandall ones are cool especially with a discount code
And they're truly converging, not free swinging "converging"
I’ve got the Crandall Fitness. They are awesome, and the owner has a cool story of how his company started. Free side to side swing is great for chest fly btw, there are some other side to side movements that are nice too, but chest fly by far is the best.
I really enjoy the last part of the video couple weeks after! It feels like every issues and perks are mentioned. Keep up the good work!
They look good. I use my jammer arms all the time as I used to be a competitive national level bodybuilder. I like equipment that emulates the Hammer strength in commercial gyms. I had to purchase the Vendetta Strength arms, as well the Mutant Metal handles to really make my setup work efficiently. Like you mentioned the most important aspect is to be able to lock the arms in place for movements such as shoulder press, and Incline bench press etc. You are correct they should have labeled all the numbers in the places where they did not, as I have a log book and write down all the numbers for specific exercises so I can easily set up my movements before hand.
The way that they articulate is just a total gimmick IMO and see no reason you would use those silly movements unless you may be doing some kind of rehab work for therapy? Or some specific movement for a sport where you use those movements? I really have no idea but its definitely not for strength training or Hypertrophy training. Very thorough detailed review Coop I think you covered everything.
These are really expensive for what they are. Glad you mentioned something that is significantly more affordable.
Thanks for the tip on those Rorman Strength Megalith Handles! I haven't decided on which lever arms I'll get but those handles will be great!
If you're doing lever / Jammer arms: the Rorman Strength Handles are a must buy!
Agreed! - Coop
@@GarageGymReviews I seriously want to buy those asap. Any discount codes available for the megalith handles on the rorman site?
PRX borrowing other peoples existing ideas and designs and then patenting them is shady as hell. Not gonna support that with a purchase.
Love the review Coop! Awesome to hear you’re diggin’ them and have them in your garage. Love reading all the comments 😄
Been waiting on these for YEEEEEEURRRRS. Thanks for shining a spotlight on 'em!
Honestly man if you have or make a video showing how you'd set up jammer arms like Dylan did to emulate some of those variable loading machines, I'd be completely sold
Yea
If PRX wants me to test these out for a few years, I'd be happy too. I'm right in their backyard!
Noted!
UK tester available here 💪
Did PRX really patent TWO stolen ideas? That sucks.
Yup
Those integrated pulleys from Coop's earlier video was the reason why I've been waiting for them for my Ares 2.0. Kinda pissed they're not available. I contacted PRx and their response was "The pulley will be an add-on at some point, but it will not come with the initial purchase of the Halo Arms." No way I'd drop $1500 without the pulley integration.
I have space issues and the combination of the jammer arms and the cable machine would be amazing!
It might be relatively simple to DIY using maybe the dialed motion pulleys. I think the main caveat would be figuring out countering the change of cable travel when changing height unless you use the mechanism dialed motion does, but you potentially lose stack capability.
@@VegetaPrinceOfSaiyans I am in if it saves me space and works as promised! I’m sure there are people out there working on integrating them into other platforms.
My sentiments exactly! I've been hitting PRx up since I saw Coop's initial video on these arms and the pulley functionality was the main reason I've been waiting. Now with this price point for JUST the arms and NO pulley system, I believe it's time to look for other options.
@@tecbox7 yeah, I don't think they thought this through, feels more like a beta release vs. pre-order and there are only photos, no videos of this on their website. At $1500 Coop shouldn't have been able to find this much stuff for improvement.
I'd love to find something with horizontal/vertical articulation and locking. If the arms could be quickly attached/removed that would be perfect. I don't mind just keeping the trolleys on full time if you could attach/remove the arms.
Bulletproof is supposed to be releasing their new arms soon so that's next on my list.
$1500 for jammer arms is diabolical.
Great Review! I'm am buying a set. Thanks for including the accessory handles too!
Can you attach your Voltra Beyond Power to those jammer arms to get the functional trainer feature? That would be pretty epic.
I think a reason to lock out the arms horizontally is to move them out the way when you're not using them, especially if you've got a cable system. Guessing these would be a PITA to attach/detach so you'd keep them on full time.
Major fitness came out with some lever arms for their budget racks. From what I can tell they have a starting position adjustment and side to side adjustment as well.. $400 I think. Would love to see a review as a follow up to the GGR review of one of their budget racks.
They don't pay Coop enough
Vendetta is gearing up to release their own converging/adjustable lever arms (only arms) soon from what I've heard. However you still have to buy the vendetta set up
Hopefully they took into consideration some of the limitations that mentioned in this review
Those were pretty cool. I got to rest them out at Home Gym Con. I also like the Crandall Fitness ones that are similar
Definitely want your full review on the Rorman strength handles !!
Thanks so much for the shoutout of the megalith handles 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
is there a set of jammer arms with these features but for a 2x2 rack with 1 inch holes?
specifically with the adjustable starting postions
Hoping rogue learns from this and makes their own version 🙏🏻
Yes, I am so excited. I can’t wait for an overpriced version.😂
@@cp37373 if you see their recent pricing on functional trainers I am sure they are focusing more on being comparatively marked. Fair point historically though, glad companies are forcing them to adapt. Love capitalism when it works well!
@@cp37373 as if $1,500 isn't overpriced?
Thinking companies like REP will redesign theirs as well given the limitations the gen 1 arms have
@@kyles8391 100%
Wait, you're saying PRx brought the initial price DOWN to $1500? And this is without the pulley add-on option they'll offer at some point and charge on top of that?
@kyles8391 These were listed on prx website for like $1700 or $1799 before they dropped price
@@alf.shumway007 I don't remember that, I've been following PRx since their prototype video on these dropped and got an email when the price was announced (the web page for these had been up for awhile).
Guess the point is moot, $1,500 is still unrealistic.
Coop,thanks for this. In a prior video review of the Voltra, you wished that there would be a way to integrate them with your Dual Cable Cross to gain the advantage of the up and down, side to side and width adjustments offered by the Freemotion. Would these be a way to do it using a rack? I keep thinking that jammer arms in some form with a Voltra mount that contemplates the angles, could be a solution. If it’s even possible, I’d love to see you try it. Thanks again.
It very well could. That's a great idea to try! -Coop
Coop - Thank you for your videos and all of the effort you put into your channel !!! Question - many years ago in a gym far far away ... they had some equipment that used my body weight as the "weight stack" per se ... and the amount of resistance was changed by moving a pin on a lever arm. Are there still today equipment that use percentages of a persons body weight as resistance variable by changing the point connected to a lever arm? Is there a specific company that makes such equipment? Would this type of equipment make for good workouts?
Inspire BL1 probably your best bet.
I just got the Griffin lever arms. They are great except one thing, the first hole for locking them in at an angle is at like 70 degrees. The rest of the holes are all for higher angles. There is even space on the metal plate on the trolley for another hole! They just decided not to put one there for some reason. Its still usable, just not as good as it could be since the starting angle is kind of high for a chest press.
The griffin ones are great and are a reasonable price. I’ve had them for over a year and no issues
Not as many adjustments as prx but I don’t use the adjustment holes much
Biggest drawbacks for jammer arms are that they don’t work if you have an integrated cable/ft function and you have to spend so much time setting it up just to get the feel of a suboptimal machine. An improvement would be if someone could figure out how to incorporate a cable machine for better resistance curves. No obvious solution tho.
Cables suck ass
I’d love a full review on the Megalith handles from Rorman Strength!
Coop, did you receive a pre-production demo? Hoping you did and some more of your suggestions make it to the production model.
Coop how quickly/easy do these attach/detach from the rack or are they designed to stay on fulltime?
Designed to stay on fulltime. Pretty quick on and off with a wrench though. - Coop
Curious question, will these work with functional trainer racks like the Ares? Or it would be counter intuitive to have these?
I saw at an expo an attachment for a jammer arm that had the weight already a bit higher at the starting position. Not sure how to call it. Like with a side delt raise machine. But i have no idea where you could buy that.
I recently purchased the Griffin 2.0 lever arms approximately four weeks ago. While they are of good quality, I find that they have fewer locking-in starting points, both side to side and up & down, compared to this one. Considering that they cost $900, I am contemplating selling them, which may not have been the wisest decision on my part. And for your reference, I used them on my wall mounted PRX 3x3 rack.
Check out the Crandall Fitness Adjustable Free Motion Swing Arms for $750 but similar to Griffin 2.0 they have fewer locking positions compared to PRx. With that said you've got companies like Bulletproof getting ready to drop their new arms soon. Other companies are redesigning theirs that include the horizontal/vertical articulation with dual lockout options. I had my sights set on the PRx but at $1500 that's a hard pass since they're not including the pulley integration from their earlier video.
You should check out the Quantum Trainer Pro 2 machine, it’s similar to this concept but a dedicated machine and probably the most versatile plate loaded machine about.
I still think Crandall fitness does it best. Why others haven’t came up with the idea to lock them into different converging positions is a head scratcher.
With the ability to freely move in all directions, could they have inserts they have a defined movement path? Like a converging chest press machine? 🤔
Really wish we had a lever arm that could converge in a fixed path. If only the bracket could be angled instead of moved side by side it would be an ultimate hammer strength replacement.
Yep! That’s the next evolution in my mind. I bet we’ll see it. - Coop
I think the Crandall arms do this now, for half the price
@@justinmurphy5082 they don't, those work similar to the prx, it swings freely or you can lock it in on a side to come up. To converge jt would have to come up at a fixed angle.
What kind of weight horns are you using with the rorman strength megalith handles?
Coop, we would love to see a review of the bulletproof vts/vts lite rack attachments.
Great review. I own the rogue version and if these had that cable attachment that let me do cable flies off them I would by that in a minute and toss the rogues out. But unitl there are attachments there is no reason to upgrade. If I was buying for the first time I would get these but I don't see the value to upgrade without at least a few attachments.
The Roman megalith handles look pretty cool. The only problem is whenever I visit their site, Google gives me a warning saying it's most likely a scam website. Probably safe, but they might have been hacked.
Coop is so smart and strong it's hard to comprehend🤯
I have the Crandall fitness jammer arms. I got them right when they came out with the 1 inch holes on the trollies as prior they were 5/8. They are awesome. They dont have as many verticle adjustment holes but how many does one really need. I have had them well over a year and they have been easy to use often, which most jammer arms are not. They even have the eyebolt connected to use as a belt squat
Glad to hear you like them. I plan on purchasing this once they come out with the 1-inch hole version
It looks like the Crandall ones are able to do movements closer to a pec deck, have you tried it? If so how do you like it? That's my only gripe with my setup (Vendetta and gympin)
Wish they would make the same product but not freefloating but rather a setting were you could manipulate the arm angle so that it tracks a fixed path. Then it'd truly be a replacement for all those machines with convering arm paths.
Does PRX make shorter arms that would fit on the inside uprights for a 40 inch depth rack?
Really like these.Great review. Wondering if you are planning on reviewing Bolt's jammer arms?
Any suggested cable crossover attachment?
Do these work with the folding full cage from PRx?
Coop, I see you using the Mackey clamps. You haven’t really done a real review on them yet, and you should! The ability to use a clamp for both regularly and axle bars, and the fact that it’s the strongest clamp on the market, is something people should be aware of.
I wonder why Griffin hasn't been getting as much love. I've had my V1s for over a year and have been loving them.
Crandall arms cost $150 less than Griffin 2.0
i would very much like to see these compared to the Crandall arms, which seem to have all the PRX functionality (plus more) AND are half the price
Do you have a Panatta lateral raise machine there?
Any plans to review Torque Fitness’s Relentless Ripper? I have one on the way and hope it’s worth the price with its space savings.
Yep, coming out soon! - Coop
@@GarageGymReviews awesome!! Thanks Coop
Yeah 1500 and no pulley integration after making a big deal of it during the tour... no thanks. Here's hoping REP comes out with one at a reasonable price that integrates with ares/athena.
I pretty happy with Bells of Steel version of these for 1/3 the price
Coop - did PRx say anything about a foot plate attachment, so we can turn it into a leg press?
Nope, not that I’m aware of. - Coop
Nope, not that I’m aware of. - Coop
could this replace a trap bar if brought down to the bottom of a rack?
In some ways, yes. Although, I'd prefer a trap bar. - Coop
This is better. But I would like to see someone make (maybe someone has... I don't know) where the bracket itself can tilt left to right... not just the arms themselves. To explain this better, what I mean is... if the bracket itself could tilt in you could still do converging shoulder presses, or converging chest presses.... but it would still be in a fixed path. Whereas this current setup you can do "converging" movements...... but not really. Well... not really as far as being a true machine converging press is meant to work. The point of machines is to allow the user to 100% focus on blasting the desired muscle he/she wants to work. Which is why a fixed path on a machine is great - it reduces the firing of the stabilizer muscles. They'll still be used just to a lesser degree. The current setup of these when you remove the one pin.... I guess you can do converging pressed... but it's really just doing dumbbell pressed. There's.... kind of a fixed path as they are still jammer arms but you'll still be wobbling left and right, needing to stabilize the load utilizing your stabilizing muscles more. At which point.... why not just do dumbbell shoulder presses... or dumbbell chest presses?
I feel like this is almost there. But still.... almost. A simple solution would be to just make the bracket itself tilt left to right. Because all tilting the arm itself inward a notch or two and locking it in does.... is just make for a closer grip.... still in a fixed up-down path. To get the true converging press you need to remove that pin but at that point you're effectively just doing more convoluted dumbbell presses. Just do dumbbell chest/shoulder presses at that point.
Edit: having watched the rest of the video - glad to see Coop mentioned this fact.
I was fully on board with these as I've had PRx stuff in the past and liked their quality but that price point is going to hurt their sales. These have a bit more adjustability than the Crandall Fitness arms but not worth double the cost.
Bummed on the comment that these aren't made for the Profile rack. Is it safe to assume they'd work fine if I use my profile setup in a fixed "open" position? I don't care about closing it up against the wall so hopefully this makes these arms an option for me. Appreciate any confirmation.
Great review as always Coop! For a $1,500 price point, I would have expected them to have the much anticipated pulley system included with them. Ideally, would be awesome if they make the pulley system to integrate with peoples existing stack/plate loaded pulleys.
Cable systems suck
I haven't seen anyone use jammer arms as a leverage calf raise. I'm sure it's been done. I just don't know why there isn't more videos on it.
After owning then selling jammer arms, I think a dumbbell and Spot Grip combo would accomplish this exact same thing
The fact that he had to talk them down to 1500 DOLLARS speaks to how wild PRX is with their pricing on the regular. I respect a premium on (mostly) US made/sourced gear, but jeez their prices are eyewatering, and it hardly ever makes sense relative to the market. Like they’re grabbing numbers out of thin air. And heck, I own a Profile rack lol.
I’d go $3000 all day if the arms had the full integrated cable machine like they teased!
@@mikejensen1473 To each their own I guess. At least at that point, they’d be selling a true one-of-kind product where they can more justifiably name their price. Basically how they managed to get me with the patented Profile racks.
I own the Griffin 2.0 Jammers as well as the Rep Fitness versions and have them both mounted on a Rep PR-5000. (The Griffins are far superior) My only complaint is that there are not enough handle options available for either pair. I don't like the handles that come with either brand. I've got some really good ideas for new designs but don't know of anyone who could help with development. Any ideas???
I have one huge question. Will they interfere with a functional trainer rack like the REP Ares/ Athena or any others? I know you’ll have to store them on the top or out of the way but don’t know if the cables will even allow it to begin with.
I've got the Ares 2.0 coming and plan to get jammer arms. What I liked about these is the pulley integration/cable pull-through feature they showed in their prototype video with Coop earlier. That would complement anyone with a cable system. But as Coop mentioned, PRx didn't release these arms with the pulley option and it will cost extra when they do at a future date which is stupid. I was chatting with a guy who has the REP PR-5000 rack/Ares 1.0 and jammer arms that he leaves on fulltime. He attached the arms below the pulley trolley. He said he had to give up the bottom four pin holes of the rack but it wasn't a big deal, especially with how much he uses the lever arms.
@@kyles8391 awesome I appreciate the feedback. I know the Ares 2.0 has the cables routed separately so you’d have to have the lever arms mounted above the trolley.
@@dillonbecker1967 I'd be fine with that option as well, being able to add resistance to the arms from a plate stack would be nice, but not a dealbreaker. Also good with not having a pulley option and just using plates, in that case I'd likely place the arms below the trolley. I do want horizontal/vertical articulation and the more lockout holes the better. Coop's tip on those Rorman Strength Megalith Handles was nice, something I'm looking into. Bulletproof said the other day they'd be announcing their new arms soon so curious to see what they look like. Heard REP is redesigning theirs which make sense since all of the gen 1 arms with limited articulation just isn't in demand.
If you're in the market for arms and have a cable system let me know what you find. My Ares 2.0 doesn't arrive for a couple months but I don't need it to grab some arms now if they meet my needs.
@@kyles8391 I believe with the area 2.0 you have to have the arms above the trolleys and the ares 1.0 below.
I think other companies will watch this review, pay attention to what Coop said could be improved, and incorporate them into their design.
Hopefully REP
Now if only someone would address the primary issue of the lever arms simply being a PITA to move up and down the rack due to their weight. I attached a pair of resistance bands between the upper crossmember and the trolley which helps immensely. You would think someone could develop and integrated counterweighting system.
Can confirm, having more available holes is ALWAYS better!
What is the length of the arms?
Really love the idea of these..but for whatever reason people are down on jammer arms but these seem to really remove all the issues with traditional arms. Perfect for someone who has injuries that make free weights unworkable
There are a lot of people who like them but the initial designs were limited regarding movement, range of motion, etc.
I will just get a leverage gym
What is the length?
Hey Coop, would be nice to see a best gym equipment for europeans video since most of the ones you recommend are not available in europe.
When do these come out? Says preorder
Will you be reviewing the Griffin ones?
As reviewers including yourself have noted, the quality of US manufacturing is not necessarily better than overseas.
I need help: what is the best Functional trainer ( All in One )for a maximum height of 217 cm ????
alright. alright. review a leg extension/lying leg curl combo machine now
these jammer arms costs more than my rogue rack. if the price point is below $1000 then it makes sense.
Yep, that was my price point and would have included the pulley integration option from their earlier video
PRx is sooooo overpriced.
At least they are built in America. Rep, for example, is charging premium prices for made in China. I'll pay for Made in the USA whenever possible.
@@bmstylee I’d buy rogue before PR overpriced.
@@brentdawgs8905 Rogue has an advantage due to economy of scale and being the biggest giant in the valley. Albeit they do seem to be resting a bit on past achievements at the moment. If PRX could get them a couple hundred bucks lower it would help as these do some cool stuff. Better than the standard jammer arms which in my opinion don't offer much that a barbell can't already do.
@@bmstylee this is coops burner account isn’t it
I have a PRX wall mount it’s awesome
Full review of Megalith handles please
Hey Coop, do you think you could unlist this video after you released the video today about PRx? It would help amplify your message about the unethical behavior of that company. Thanks!
As someone that has jammer arms with the converging feature, it doesn't feel great. It's not like a machine where the path converges by design, but it also doesn't feel as free and fluid as a dumbbell. It's just kinda awkward. I do however have the height indexing feature which really was a game changer.
Agreed. The next evolution would allow the arms to rotate. -Coop
Hard pass for $1500. Shame I was really looking forward to these too
Not a jammer arm guy, (although the way the guy from the Facebook group uses them did intrigue me), just watchin this to do my part and throw the vid a like and comment
I was thinking about buying these until I saw the price. Just nope.
Crazy price
Surprised he sung this products praises considering his position on the Keppi Bench video a while back.
These were pretty sweet. I got to check them out at Home Gym Con. Pretty cool design, and their people were awesome too. Too bad they stole the idea from some others in the space. 😢
Vey happy with my $180 Mikolo lever arms lol
I have the newer versions of the Griffin's and they've been great. Also almost half the price.
Definitely would buy this if it came with pulley and cable
give lat and front raises a go with all that adjustment.
Just moved and I need to buy a new rack. I’ve been waiting on an update with these PRX jammer arms with the cable machine. If they came out with that I’ll 100% buy an entire PRX setup. If they don’t, then I have zero interest in anything PRX. If what you said at 15:20 is true, that’s just a horrible management decision. They’re losing customers every day because they aren’t coming out with that feature. It’s a game changer. I have no interest in an Athena or ares. Rack mounted cables aren’t wide enough for flys so I don’t want em. My top dog right now is either a major fitness f35. Hate the low quality steel and hole spacing tho. Or a rogue monster cave. lol. This rep with the cable jammer arms would be the best of both worlds