How Audi's F1 team takeover will work + latest on Porsche's plans
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Audi has finalised its deal to buy into Sauber and make the Swiss team its works Formula 1 entry in 2026.
Less than two months after we learned Audi was definitely going to build an engine for the new rules, we now know for sure which team will be running that engine.
There’s plenty to ponder as the first-ever Audi F1 project takes shape, and we’re here to explain how it will work, what key questions still need to be answered - and what the latest is with Volkswagen Group sister brand Porsche as the Audi programme gathers pace.
#F1 #Audi #Sauber
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So Sauber have now been owned in full or in part by Mercedes, Red Bull, BMW, Ferrari and Audi. That's one hell of a journey.
WRONG 😑
@@TheDiasporaMedia ...you gonna expand on that at all?
They were never owned by Ferrari and Red Bull too only had a sponsorship agreement and nothing to do with the running of the team.
@@areebsiddiqui758 Red Bull owned a majority stake in Sauber until 2002 and whilst I can't find confirmation of a Ferrari stake I'd be surprised if there has never been one as Sauber at least ran significant amounts of Ferrari tech and design elements around the same time.
@@ELSTERLING I don't think it was a majority stake, was it? Peter Sauber still held the decision making rights and ultimately called the shots. Materschitz was forced out after he signed Kimi in 2001 despite Red Bull wanting Bernoldi in his place.
As a Swiss, I'm so happy to (hopefully) see the Sauber name return to the grid for a couple of final years, before Audi takes over.
Will the Sauber name disappear completely?
I hope Audi Sauber will be a part of the name in the same way BMW Sauber and Alpha Romeo Sauber are a part of the identity.
@@22NightWing I hope so, too, but I'm not optimistic. With all the talk of it becoming the Audi "works team", I'm guessing it will just be "Audi". Or more likely "Sponsor A Sponsor B Audi Formula 1 Racing Team powered by Sponsor C" or something like that.
@@22NightWing the 2026 car will be build in swiss by Sauber, so i guess they will continue
Don't know about everyone else, but I know I'm not the only one who calls the team Sauber unless I really think about it. I've heard commentators switch between the Alfa Romeo and Sauber names since the hook up. That team will always be Sauber first and foremost, and even if it's not everyone's "first choice" team, any time they do well, I'm pretty sure we're all really happy! Almost as emotional as when Minardi got a point lol.
Not kidding, I could end up in tears 😂. When Vettel won in the Toro Rosso car, not long (in F1 terms) after it had been bought out from Minardi, and still had mostly Minardi mechanics working there, I was sobbing my heart out with joy!
The Sauber Name is Iconic.
Audi will benefit from it, putting it together like...
"Audi Sauber e-tron F1 Team"
something like this.
A Porsche-Andretti 11th entry would be nice to have, considering they're already partnered in Formula E, it would make for good branding for that to carry over into F1 too, also with the budget cap, there's a lot of staff that have been made redundant from other teams, so bringing experienced F1 engineers and personal on-board will be achievable, the only real massive expense would be building new facilities or renovation and upgrading of the abandoned Manor facilities
Porsche Andretti F1 Team also already sounds epic
Think it is going to be Williams Porsche.
Danny ric comes back in 2024 to drive Andretti porche
@@tonyb9735 Will Ferrari LMH?
Rumor is they're looking to make a deal with Williams.
What if Andretti signs a deal with Porsche that way we could get an 11th team on the grid and everyone gets Porsche it’s a win-win as long as Porsche agree to the terms
its almost like that was one of the points in the video
Goes against Andretti's long term goal of having an American built car with an American built engine driven by Americans. Also Porsche only wants to attach their name to a winner which Andretti wouldn't be in the beginning.
ANdretti wants to keep everything stateside.
And Porsche is a competing motorsport brand
Porsche should collaborate with Williams or AstonMartin, it makes more sense .
@@CaptainSlow2469 Aston Martin is more likely but the stumbling block is cost of entry.
Setting up a team from scratch and building everything is cheaper than the cost of buying an existing team. The current teams have the power to block any new entry meaning the bit of paper to allow an 11th team to enter is worth more than the physical makeup of a team itself. That is essentially what you are paying for, not the staff or headquarters etc
An 11th team in the grid would be amazing and would give the sport that extra boost with the possibility of Porsche and Andretti
The day I see a car with an Audi logo actually on the starting grid is the day I will actually believe it
I hate that this is the only way we get "new" teams any more.
FIA Master Plan:
1. Impose cost cap to allow lower-budget teams and new entries to catch up more easily
2. Deny enthusiastic, well-funded entries
3. ???
@@JaySlaterOfMars I know right? They implemented the cost cap to give smaller teams a fighting chance, yet they deny other small teams from entering the sport? It’s almost like F1 isn’t trying to appeal to the smaller teams, but to the manufacturers. I hate that
Unfortunately it is $€£ that makes the world go around. I feel the same way.
Oh yes, haven't things changed
@@mrsoisauce9017 F1 want to keep as much of the money as possible. That's been Liberty Media's MO since it was TCI
I would like to see Allan McNish in some kind of role in the new F1 team. He did a great job as team principal in Formula E and knows the company like almost no other. He would certainly be a massive help.
Porsche were one of the worst run teams operationally in FE. They always underachieved for the car and power unit they had as well as one of the fastest drivers on the grid in Wehrlein. Pascal's title challenge that never was in 2021 isn't talked about enough, Porsche were experts at screwing up in a good position that season.
@@areebsiddiqui758 We're not talking about Porsche here, but Audi. Allan McNish did not have anything to do with Porsche.
@@benn87 So you're referring to the Audi Sauber team and not any potential Porsche entry? In that case I misunderstood. Vassuer will continue to lead the program but I guess Mcnish could find a supporting role,
@@areebsiddiqui758 yes
@@areebsiddiqui758 yep. Maybe who knows LoveLive Superstars Porsche F1 Team could be born in 2024?
Hope they retain bottas, his experience would be a big advantage when tuning and adapting the new engine. Bottas wdc2027 😁
If bottas couldnt win in the 2020 mercedes then he doesnt deserve a championship tbh. Literally one of the best cars of all time
It's up to Alfa at that point. Bottas only has a contract until the end of 2024. Meaning Alfa has to retain him for a further 2 years, which I do think they should do.
@@gamingnoah9807 personally I think the team dynamic was the issue there, its damn near impossible to win when your own team sees you as the underdog, even if you look purely at the mental aspects of it Bottas always had a harder time of it than any driver since Webber
Bottas is as slow as they come, he has absolutely no fight in him. Guy shouldn't even be racing go karts let alone F1 cars.
@@therealquaid1694 slow is literally an utter overstatement he might be a bit inconsistent not as aggressive in races but he is no where slow by the performance in qualifying he is an outstanding driver just need a bit of luck and defend more aggressively then you will see a championship material
Interestingly, everytime Sauber has teamed up with a German car manufacturer, they've brought in a German driver who has gone to become a multiple World Champion. Case in point, Sauber Mercedes (not in F1 that time) gave Micheal Schumacher and BMW Sauber gave Sebastian Vettel their F1 launches respectively and we all know how they ended up✌️😁
Time to find a German hot prospect then.
@@soundscape26 like BMW?
Hopefully Mick
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 nah, it was a young German shotgun, first time driving in F1. Who are the current junior German drivers? Any idea?
@@allan_f2203 this year no Germans in F2 or F3, which feels odd. Tho there maybe, some young kid in a smaller series gunning down for F1
Just seeing Sauber running strong in the midfield having less than half the money of top teams... This team is up for a massive improvement with Audi's money
That's what people said about racing point/aston martin, and look what happened
I hope Orlen stays as a sponsor though
@@danwebber5785 They're picking up steam though. Dan Fallows is an intelligent man, and after not being able to influence the design of the AMR22 or its B-Spec back in April, he's giving the team a good direction to head in. The facilities are still being built, but they're getting there, and they're going to be super useful. The team also has plenty of good sponsors, which helps with maintaining the longevity of the team.
2022 isn't the start we'd hoped they'd get, but things take time.
2008 BMW Sauber was a glimpse into the potential that Sauber has
thanks to guanyu zhou £30 Million sponsorship
Porsche appears set to buy 50% of Williams. Run the Audi engine badged as a Porsche. Seems like the best way to ensure Audi has more budget to develop the new engine.
Why would they use Audi engine tho? They recently made a formula 1 engine and made 3 more while Audi never made one and with new e fuels and hybrid tech Porsche got more tech about it I don't think they would like to use Audi engine they can make engine for theirselves imo
I still really hope we will get at least 1 more team on the grid. 20 cars are just to few. Maybe adretti and Porsche could join together as a new team.
We could see 43 car F1 grid.
I will miss the Alfa Romeo badge and paint when it's gone, but am excited about a new engine and strategic partner.
A Porsche-Andretti team would easily become my favorite team
I have a feeling Red Bull will sell Alpha Tauri in the next few years if the right offer comes along.
Why would they sell? It's cheap advertising for their energy drink and fashion line. They also need an extra team to gather more data for their engine project. It's really hard to be a manufacturer if you only have 1 team to run your engine.
If that's possible, then AlphaTauri might become Honda.
They have literally said that. The team has always been for sale, they're just waiting for the right offer.
@@doghat1619 Not sure how prominent is that fashion line to warrant an F1 team on its own purely for advertising (like have you seen the price of their shirts? Yeah sounds like more niche boutique line to me). I think RB was just looking for a name they could slap onto their B-team thats not already everywhere (as in their drinks company). Especially with Dietrich gone I'm not sure if the new masters can justify the expense of said team. As for a being a feeder team for graduating junior drivers, it seems the trend for teams' young drivers program seems to be in the pits lately. If anything the teams that own these programs would rather negotiate with midfield teams to let their graduates in rather than maintaining a B-team just to feed in talent.
Better sell it to a good team entry then. We don't want another Haas who don't even use their full development budget despite costcap.
Finally some confirmed news about this!
Xander 310, i wonder if there could be "LoveLive Superstars E-Tron Audi F1 Team".
Absolutely No one :
Girl with Laptop : "asdasfasfaf"
I'm not too confident they'll be around for more than 10 years. They dropped in and out of racing series through the years, so I see this happening again. I hope Sauber doesn't end up paying the price for it though as they've been a dedicated private team for decades.
Sauber staying independent for more than 5 years challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Nick Gregory, i bet 2026 could see several teams got rebranded.
I think this will turn sauber into potential title challengers after a few years as Audi
I would love to see an Andretti Porsche team. I think a 50/50 split between the two would pose some challenges initially but nothing that the two groups couldn't work through.
Why FIA don't want 11th team? More teams, more cars, more drivers, more overtaking, more racing, better racing.
The current team don’t want not FIA
@@zhen86 What do you mean?
@@insansiregar7522 it dilutes their worth
The teams dont want another team, it makes the prize pool go down if they have to share it
@@insansiregar7522 Limited Prize money pot, Limited commercial pot, both getting split 11 ways instead of 10.
Dolton Capital owners of Williams have valued the team at £1Billion which is well in excess of the cost to build a team from scratch. That is only part of the equation.
Their valuation is due to the fact that there are essentially 10 grid slots that teams and the FIA all have to agree to increasing it. That makes it incredibly difficult to expand due to it being in the teams interest to prevent new entries meaning to only way onto the grid is to by an existing team. This allows them to command the price required not only for the team but the Golden ticket to allow the team to even turn up at the track.
I’m so sad to see the Alfa Romeo name go but it’s what’s best for the grid. I hope to see Alfa keep its name in motor sports even if it’s not in F1.
I feel that alpha tauri would be a good option for porsche
Does Audi buy into the entire Sauber company or just their F1 Programm with Alpha Romeo ?
Porsche with Andretti makes sense and would hopefully allow a 11th team in.
But I think Haas would be a good fit too.
The Haas-Ferrari connection would be a big roadblock if Porsche really wants to buy that team as Haas not only buying engines from Ferrari, It also buys a lots of parts from Ferrari and currenty has a design office inside Ferrari's campus that is staffed with lots of Ferrari's pesonnel. Also, the fact that Haas doesn't have any chassis-making facility would deter Porsche on the prospect of buying the team and be competitive at the get-go. Speaking as a Haas fan of course.
Dont make any sense, Andretti want be his own american team in F1, without big hands trying controling, also Porsche dont need Andretti if they wanna start a new team they would start alone, but they dont want that, they want buy a based and competitive team to start in midfield instead of the back
I have the feeling F1 wants to settle for 10 teams only.
Andretti has no guarantee for the grid. Porsche wouldn't put everything on a hopeful whim. They're gunning for an established team with desires for front of the grid like Williams. They'll offer a 50/50 ownership and slowly end up running the operation then rebrand the team.
@@LouSassol69er William is owned by an investment firm so I doubt the owner would want to sell 50% of the team to Porsche that easily.
People seem to constantly underestimate Sauber. They went from lower midfield to challenging for a title in a couple of years with BMW back in the 2000s.
I was hoping to see a full Porsche works team no collaboration or whatever just a Porsche with a Porsche engine just to see what they can do
Shojo Kageki Revue Starlight Porsche Works F1 Team?
Exactly, I don't see why they don't wanna build their engines. What's the point of bidding 50% of RB, if they aren't building engines
So Sauber has now collaborated with all of the German big three! A unique accolade. Almost makes me wish the Stellantis marketing deal had made them into Opel F1 instead of Alfa Romeo, just to add another.
Looking forward to this happening. Sauber winning would be fantastic. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Robert Kubica gets a reserve seat for as long as he wants it thanks to that one day in Canada.
It's Sauber - Mercedes Ford Ferrari BMW Alfa Romeo Audi!
Exactly the same conclusion I came to and I hope it happens, Andretti, Penske and Gnassi should be on the grid.
Would love to see a Porsche-Andretti teamup on the grid!
That would be a good one, but with all the F1 hype stateside, Andretti should strike while the iron is hot and get Ford to make them an F1 PU, the FIA would have to let them in for sure considering the history Ford has in the sport as providing the top garagista engine for decades and all the world champions it sat behind. The advertising exposure for Ford would be great also.
Man, that audi branded F1 car looks amazing.
Yep. But shame Audi wont compete as an own team and instead gonna took over one of the 10 existing ones.
"The first ever Audi F1 project" Technically, Yes, but a welcome return for the Audi logo, as Auto Union ran their cars with the 4 circle logo. On a side note, Auto Union actually bought the design of their Type A car from Dr. Ferdinand Porsche.
Ferry was a very busy guy, back then.
It would be amazing if andretti - porshe entered as the 11th team and not just taking over an existing team.
Although if they don't want to bother w/ any other engine manuf, then we'll have to wait till 2026 maybe even 2027 till audi knows if their engine is at par with the others.
2027 we could see 43 car f1 grid.
all around this really makes me excited for the future of the sport that we all love]
ECLIPSE, imagine if Ai Miyashita and Rina Tennoji racing as teammates onboarding the Audi.
Sauber have a longlist of successful driver in F1 that ever drive for the team.
2007 - Third constructor
2008 - Second constructor
Miss Sterling, that was an excellent observation and a hilarious conclusion. 😂 You should write for GP.
Also unless new team slows RB they will slow everything else..
It would be so fantastic to see Sauber up front fighting with the big teams
Hopefully all current 10 teams can mix with Audi & Porche and to become 1 F1 team only. Than 20 driver race for championship not for team because now only have 1 big F1 team
car manufacturers join F1 for the brand exposure, if there is no brand exposure why would they join F1?
Andretti Porsche sounds pretty good
Hopefully Porsche get something sorted as well. Would be nice with additional team(s) but that seems to be quite unrealistic.
How about a video on George Russell's history of driving into others & then saying he was left with no space & receiving no penalty points by the FIA? Not to mention the sound of crickets by Sky F1 at such incidents, because of their heavy British & Mercedes bias. When it happened to Max last season, he was labelled "aggressive", "dangerous" & a "lunatic."
A merc British driver gets zero accountability from media. A Spanish one gets zero recognition
Feel that they may do well with the Audi power unit. Especially with regulation changes, if Audi can do well with them.
here's a tip for the editor: NEVER scroll text this fast in a video made at 25fps. it's jarring and unreadable for as long as it is moving. so either scroll a lot slower, or do a more aggressive sinusoidal easy in/out so it's faster in the transition but eases in faster to a readable speed in less time.
Porsche should partner up with Williams. Two great historical teams will be a great thing for the sport
Porsche Needs to just enter F1 as FULL Works team/ aka. + 2 cars on the grid.... And the FIA et al needs to allow this..... The more Manufacturers the better.
PS. Still don understand how 'Ford' hasn't just teammed up with andretti to enter also?
Williams porsche sounds very interesting
Not sure if Dorilton Capital has the rights for classic Williams liveries etc but those would look gold with PORSCHE across, yeah.
regarding drivers for when they become Audi-Sauber in 2026, MSC is a possible choice for them is it?
Question: Would Sauber sacrifice the 2024 and/or 2025 seasons and aim for 9th or 10th to give the Audi years maximum starting wind tunnel time?
Sacrifice? As if they are top team🤣🤣
@@abhipandey2505 Don't be silly, I'm talking about committing to it. What a dumb assumption 😂
Why waste a bunch of money for maybe one extra position when the gain in wind tunnel time under Audi guidance may give them two positions in the future...
Sign a driver pairing of Mazepin - Latifi and they're good to go. 😁
@@pancon5 Hail goatifi!
@@22NightWing I know what you mean by that. But that would somehow go against the ethos of any team. Everybody wants to deliver as good a performance as possible at the end of the day. So I think it's rather unlikely...
We are not excited about an new old team. 12 teams for 24 races now thts exciting.
2:00 after BMW Sauber Ferrari nothing is weird
Porsche-Williams has a nice ring to it and they have worked together in the past on other racing cars
1:23 Ok, but why that white Hotwheels van is under the left tyre?
This is an example of where the budget cap isn’t exactly a good thing.
I get the need for it. But just shows everything has a trade off somewhere… just like car designs.
The Audi deal with Sauber was in the making for a long time, no surprises there. Porsche's future without the Red Bull deal doesn't seem so clear, though. Running with Audi engines would be as polemic as running Ferrari or Mercedes engines, but the VW board could make Audi rebrand their engine as VW for neutrality. Another option would be to buy a stake in Alpha Tauri and run with RBPT engines, but how competitive would that be?
7:28 no it doesn't make any sense. if that happens, porsche will have 0 technical contribution to their entry. they might as well just buy an advertising spot on williams' rear wing and be done with it.
Two VW group entries doesn't make sense.
It's not like the RedBull/Alfa Tauri relationship, with one being the junior team (effectively).
This is two directly competing teams from the same organisation.
I would love to see Michael Andretti in F1 as a car owner. He brings name recognition as F1 will have 3 USA and 5 NAM races next season.
I’ve been so curious about this. Beautiful explanation. Audi wants to actually contribute to an F1 team to win and Porsche wants to just slap a decal on a car. Got it
Maybe andretti should do a deal to buy Renault engines and put an Alfa Romeo sticker on it...
The Audi board are apparently keen on having Mick Schumacher as a driver, I hope H ass keep him and give him the car and the support he deserves, or that he finds a less hopeless team to drive for.
If I remember hearing correctly Mateschitz always said AlphaTauri was always for sale for the right price. I would see Porsche buying them more likely than Andretti being on the grid. With the cost cap and new pay deals the 10 other teams don't want to dilute that prize pool further. Bring 2026 would be good to see a closing up the grid just need Williams and Aston Martin to improve a bit more, this deal should sort out Sauber and then any team has the potential of a podium if not a race win.
Imagine if Sauber managed to win the constructors championship with the new Audi engine in the first year. That would be amazing
there's Andretti Autosports in, hookup with the Porsche group.
Yoo Imagine Porsche-Andretti O.o Instantly goated
2025 onwards will be the golden age of racing, WEC and F1 loading with manufacturers
Porsche bying Alpha Tauri from Red Bull would be a good way forward.
My question is why wait until 2026 Audi should be ready in 2024 so who's going to design the car and can they find someone as good as Adrian Newly
2026?! Bloody hell, here's me thinking multi-million pound deals can be doen quickly
it almost makes me want to watch f1 again.
Andretti Porsche sounds hard AF 🔥
Auto Union (Audi) vs Mercedes Benz, in F1... we're talking old school here, back to the 1920's & 1930's.
Aside from having a bit of longevity and having some top drivers come through their lineups before moving on to successful teams, I don’t really understand why people are so fond of Sauber. I don’t really see the team as anything other than filling up the grid, they have 1 race win in like 30 years of operation? I’d rather see Audi take over completely, remove all Sauber affiliation and become a full fledged works operation. Ideally they would’ve invested in their own infrastructure and not had to take a team over, but 3-4 years probably isn’t enough to build facilities and then create a competitive package
Porsche - Andretti partnership would be the option that I'm certain most of us would want to see. The sport is growing and expanding to an 11th team would actually generate buzz. Porsche buying an ownership state in Haas or Williams and slapping their logo on the side of the car would excite absolutely no one.
Would love to see mick schumacher and vettle join audi
So Audi Sauber, Porsche Williams and Lamborghini Alpha Tauri 😁
So what you are saying there's some small potential that seb could make a short term return?
Andrett-porsche makes sense
I really think the 2022 Sauber/Alpha Romeo is one of the best looking cars on the grid
Two things: first off, 20 cars on the grid is enough, there is already too much damn impeding on track as it is. Second, its great that they bought an existing team that can't compete even with the cost cap because that will give them the funds necessary to at least try to and have 1 less non competitive team on the grid (Just need to get Haas and Williams fixed)
Get Andretti Porsche as the 11th team with Ricc and Hulk as the drivers with a yellow livery.
Perfect.
hope that Williams packs it’s bags and sells everything to Porsche
Audi Sauber sounds awesome
Yes... one of the most historical teams in Motorsport... yes I mean Sauber... the problem that Sauber has is, it seems the team is not proud to be Sauber. If we compare it to a Mclaren or Ferrari. The team Name is first.
I am a Swiss guy and hope that the team dose not get dropped like the other times when a german partner was onboard with the team...
But I hope that the team will grow and fight at the front, but as Sauber-Audi under a Swiss-flag... but that is not likely. More likely is that the team runs under the name Audi or better Audi Sauber with opefully a Swissflag.
Anyway the team remains Sauber.
Wie auch immer das Team bleibt Sauber.
Andretti racing with Porsche, YES. I want to see Andretti in F1.
Porsche-Hass or Porsche-Andretti are the 2 most likely. Alpha Tauri are too useful to RBR to let that become a Porsche team.
great channel! please improve your microphone use with an anti popper : )
If Andretti was to join F1 would they get out of Indycar?Seems like if you want to be competitive in F1 you have to concentrate on that series.HAAS is a perfect example of the struggles they have trying to balance a F1 team and a Nascar team also.I feel like if HAAS drops Nascar they will do better in F1.
Isn't Porche and Audi both under the Volkswagen group?
I’m not sure in what world Alfa Romeo is in the upper midfield; being 6th and with 2.5x less points than the team in the true middle position is… well, the low midfield. If we were to split the field into front runners (RB, Ferrari and Merc), upper midfield (Alpine and McLaren), lower midfield (Alfa and Aston) and backfield (Haas, Alpha and Williams), I think it would be a more accurate way to place Alfa Romeo.
Very nitpicky, but it’s always hard to find problems with Scott’s stuff 👌
It will be interesting to see who Audi takes on as a customer team, to help with 1) development testing and 2) a substantial financial contribution. F1 seems to want either five manufacturers and ten teams, or six manufacturers and twelve teams. Andretti still has no partner unless it's as 2nd fiddle to Audi or Porsche.
pleas get goatifi in the audi for 2027!
What a surprise. Its Sauber. No way! :P
Now if we could only something like a Williams-Porsche or McLaren-Porsche
Low key that Audi livery is still fire. I almost wish it would be running before 2026, but alas.
Alfa Romeo should stay on and they can rebrand as the Audi Romeo team, then designate the new car AR-15, the US market will love it!
I hope Audi set trends in F1 like they do with their road cars.