[WARFRAME] Thermal Sunder Vs Null Star Titania Which Is Better? Pro's/Con's | Abyss Of Dagath

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  • @nearthe2nd
    @nearthe2nd 10 місяців тому +140

    Double Standard Moment from Gaz. You're telling people to wait for enemies to corrupt, but you're not hopping off extraction to wait for the last player to collect their reactant. You're playing Titania, when you get to extraction, you have time to wait after you get there. I'm saying this as a Titania enjoyer, You can wait off extraction, less time wasted for the entire playerbase of void fissures. Think about it from your perspective, you're just pushing that guy into another party, which could cause issues for the next squad. Be patient and considerate, you care about loot anyway, you might find an ayatan star or sculpture if you hop off extraction. You are the problem.

    • @AMV_KINGDOM_mv
      @AMV_KINGDOM_mv 10 місяців тому +11

      He needs to get his speed up nobody told him to be moving slow maximize those bullet jumps

    • @nearthe2nd
      @nearthe2nd 10 місяців тому +32

      @@AMV_KINGDOM_mv I agree with you on that, it's important to go as fast as possible while collecting reactant. But forcing the end of the mission on extraction doesn't help anybody honestly. Gaz was pessimistic when he said that they would've just pulled bronze rewards. The player you didn't wait for could've had a silver or gold reward. Or a reward you'd want. When I play I want an entire 4 person squad to crack their relics. I don't want people speedrunning the mission on a 2 or 3 person squad when we can wait for a 4th player. I'm here for the increased reward drops and to help everyone in the squad get it done. Loading in and no one waiting for you to crack the relic sucks. If they're AFKing that's a different story, I'm dipping from that squad. But that player Gaz and other 2 ditched wasn't AFK.

    • @johnranalli331
      @johnranalli331 10 місяців тому +41

      I agree, absolute dick move to extract and leave squad mate behind. High and mighty Gaz showing his true colors.

    • @AMV_KINGDOM_mv
      @AMV_KINGDOM_mv 10 місяців тому +9

      @@nearthe2nd also you the older gen console don't load in correctly meaning you finish you relice before they even spawn ik I had to upgrade

    • @nearthe2nd
      @nearthe2nd 10 місяців тому +22

      @@AMV_KINGDOM_mv Some PCs load slow too, not everyone has the budget to upgrade to better hardware.

  • @TheFlamePhoenix
    @TheFlamePhoenix 10 місяців тому +9

    Really liked this kind of comparison video. Reminds me of the good old days on weapon variants. Please do more videos like this.

  • @00Grimreaper00
    @00Grimreaper00 5 місяців тому +17

    That was just very disrespectful. You didn't have to rush into extraction like that and also the guy literally needed 1 more reactant. Whats the point of rushing that?

  • @Wooskii1
    @Wooskii1 10 місяців тому +1

    I used your Neutron Star build during the Wolf Sledge farm and it was definitely the way to go, but I tend to farm resources separately so TS is my go-to.

  • @OhShunz
    @OhShunz 6 місяців тому

    I just built Titania the other day and have not put her down. She's so much fun and I'm not a pro but I want to keep playing her even tho I need MR still but it's great to see vids like this for more use case examples. Thanks a ton!

    • @jcman-lp6lg
      @jcman-lp6lg 6 місяців тому

      this is a casual pve looter game I don't think theres "pros"

  • @jdubMAD1
    @jdubMAD1 10 місяців тому +8

    I'm "that guy" blazing thru relic runs with TS, cuz we don't have all the time in the world and if I want to farm resources, I run missions specifically for that. Also, thanks for the reminder, I don't know why I had the urge to use a ton of shards the last couple of days... I need to slow down.

    • @OrangeCreamsicle
      @OrangeCreamsicle 10 місяців тому

      real space-crack addiction

    • @IVIunir
      @IVIunir 10 місяців тому +2

      A fellow real one. Know people beyond the iq of 10 love you for litterally making farming easier and faster.

    • @CrankCraven
      @CrankCraven 10 місяців тому

      Still have to wait on the knuckle draggers that struggle to bullet jump to the end.

  • @phoenixlamp2
    @phoenixlamp2 10 місяців тому +1

    I love cracking relics with a speed titania as a nekros cause it’s just a passive resource farm for me. I mean, if titania is killing everything there isn’t much else for me to do anyways but collect the enemy drops. Might as well get more stuff right.

  • @xnbk-yotiex5247
    @xnbk-yotiex5247 10 місяців тому +5

    Someone help me understand why players speed run through steelpath fissures? If all you are after is the drop and resources, wouldn’t it be more better to just run normal fissures?
    I usually always run steelpath fissures solo these days cause im after the 5 steel essence and everyone else wants to just speed run it… skipping everything just so they can be the first person waiting in extraction. Before the mission is even done.

    • @angelknives2843
      @angelknives2843 10 місяців тому +2

      Play survival if you don't want to speedrun and of course people are gonna get through exterminate as quickly as possible. Most relic premades i join only relic run when either exterminate or capture fissures are up.

    • @xnbk-yotiex5247
      @xnbk-yotiex5247 10 місяців тому +6

      @@angelknives2843 that still doesn’t answer my question. Normal fissures would be way faster if players aren’t after steel essence.
      I do run survival SP and exterminate, I usually always run solo.
      My original comment was a honest question btw

  • @NimbleBard48
    @NimbleBard48 25 днів тому

    It seems that after the Koumei update in October 2024, the Null Star build is nerfed. No longer destroys crates and isn't as spammy so it kills enemies slower and I am so salty about it that I made a copypasta of my comment under a few Titania Null Star videos :(

  • @I-Broke-Your-Mailbox
    @I-Broke-Your-Mailbox 10 місяців тому +7

    Thermal Sunder is still better, I tried the Null Star setup after I saw it recommended on YT previously, but I ended up dropping it for reasons you didn't go over. 1. Thermal Sunder works in Neo and Axi Missions up to about lvl 80, further with Archon Shards, Neutron Star doesn't. 2. The Energy Demand for Neutron Star is Extreme, but Thermal Sunder can potentially give you more energy than you put in, just swap primed flow for archon flow and mod your Diwata Prime for Cold for even faster orb generation (because razor flies inherit your Diwata Stats), that makes it even better because then you can drop preparation to free up a mod / archon slot. 3. Thermal Sunder will pop enemies before you arrive at them, that means a lot less slowing down or back tracking to pick up reactant.
    I think that neutron star could be the BiS build for non-relic missions, esp if you're farming phorid or normal star chart sabotage / capture / rescue, I just wouldn't use it in any assault or exterminate missions. I also wouldn't complain if someone else used it in an relic mission, they won't contribute much to opening the relic, but I'm already here to do that, so why not open boxes right?

    • @joeleeman9886
      @joeleeman9886 9 місяців тому +2

      Are you leaving something out perhaps with the archon flow diwata cold? I swapped to archon flow and modded diwata for as much cold and statys chance and my razorflies have yet to proc a single cold status after 2 missions. Are you sure this works?
      edit - Ive now run several missions and havnt seen a single archon flow proc from razorflies, any idea what im doing wrong? Ill still make the switch because it does proc orbs off diwa melee kills so you can melee mobs if you are getting low but thats certainly not what I was expecting from your post especially since you mention razerflies inheriting cold. Its just not working.

    • @cedrichol4313
      @cedrichol4313 3 місяці тому

      I currently have a null star titania because i don't have gauss yet
      In every low lvl missions that's just extra loot (i would say, with my non optimal build, until lvl 50 max)
      In every redcue missuon it's extra loot too, even SP (i kill the dude in 5 secs and you don't need to kill the others)
      But i'll build the gauss one for higher lvl exterlinates :)

    • @smithgeorge6858
      @smithgeorge6858 25 днів тому

      ​@@joeleeman9886razor flies have 0% status chance

  • @kilmcm45
    @kilmcm45 10 місяців тому

    I build titania more as a gunner. There's an arcane and a hementh ability that grant secondary ammo efficiency.....so she can shoot her pistols endlessly or near endlessly and the 4th augment gives fire rate every time you turn on the ammo efficiency ability....the movement speed is a pain but if you aim down sight....you move at normal speed.

  • @Silv3rr.
    @Silv3rr. 7 місяців тому +9

    i hope i never get teamates like you when i play alone

  • @BelleChasseHome
    @BelleChasseHome 10 місяців тому +16

    Good bye GAZ...Im done lisenting to your channel. You demonstrated how fd up of a player you REALLY are when you go to a random public que and then belittle/degrade another player because he took too long..(yeah..I entered AFTER him too)..maybe he glitched, or maybe he REALLY needed to get more fissures... ITS JUST A GAME. Good luck and I hope you continue to succeed as a Warframe content creator because Im certain due to your demonstrated lack of charachter you would and can not succeed in the REAL WORLD. GG

    • @AtegaSaryvo
      @AtegaSaryvo 10 місяців тому +3

      good riddance

    • @piscye1806
      @piscye1806 8 місяців тому

      You're a big baby bro.

  • @singletona082
    @singletona082 10 місяців тому +27

    i realize you don't care Gaz, but that bit where your'e essentially mocking a guy asking you to get off extraction so they can get reactant?
    Unsub.

    • @matowakan
      @matowakan 10 місяців тому +5

      boo hoo cry about it

    • @CESR-
      @CESR- 10 місяців тому

      Ur annoyed because ur that guy he's talking about. Unsub, then go lie down and dry ur eyes. Bawbag!🙄😩🍀

    • @unlimitedpower4783
      @unlimitedpower4783 2 місяці тому +2

      2 issues here lmao
      1. Don't go into a PUBLIC mission and expect people to wait for you
      2. It's on him for being too slow, other players were using slow frames could keep up. He's using Volt and can't keep up with a Dagath and Mesa, that's an issue on their end.

    • @hashiramaminato7535
      @hashiramaminato7535 Місяць тому

      i agree. its a coop game for a reason.

  • @Xhadp
    @Xhadp 10 місяців тому

    I still prefer to do Kuva Bramma + energized munitions + Looter + Doppelgangers. Just as wide of an an AOE, it gets all the crate loot and as a major factor into consideration scales into steel path extremely well which neither of these do.

  • @anonforuz
    @anonforuz 10 місяців тому +1

    my lazier build is Volt with Shocking Speed and Max range to keep teammates fast while opening everything i run by.

  • @ajjames1960
    @ajjames1960 10 місяців тому +3

    Neutron star is for entrati farming in zariman. At some point if you want to farm entrati as fast possible neutron star is best.
    Only people will like neutron star is people who are farming entrati since DE rework the mod spare parts.
    I tried farming entrati using volt with epitaph spamming all the crates in the map and its not guarantee but with titania neutron star that probably solve my boredom.

    • @matowakan
      @matowakan 10 місяців тому +1

      I think you're mixing up entrati with holdfasts.

    • @J3FFTH3CH3F
      @J3FFTH3CH3F 10 місяців тому +3

      @@matowakanNah, he’s talking about farming the resource Entrati Lanthorn

  • @matowakan
    @matowakan 10 місяців тому +4

    bro pulled that thumbnail out of the void

    • @S4sD4
      @S4sD4 9 місяців тому

      😂

  • @Gnurklesquimp2
    @Gnurklesquimp2 10 місяців тому

    I wonder if they'll start adding more stuff to let others somewhat keep up with Titania, crazy mobility is one of my favorite things even outside of the more typical missions.
    Equinox could be another fine pick for also opening boxes, and with the right squad, it could melt Steel Path when those fissures are better too.

    • @malikgordon5291
      @malikgordon5291 7 місяців тому

      Titania wings make her kit unique tho you still keep up if you master parkour modded for speed runs

    • @Gnurklesquimp2
      @Gnurklesquimp2 7 місяців тому

      @@malikgordon5291 I think a speedrunner Titania on max speed is supposed to be quite a lot faster than a speedrunner on normal movement maxed out, with some frames like wormhole Nova keeping up well (And helping others keep up) depending a bit more on the tileset/whether or not you break the game.
      Then there's ones that REALLY depend on the map, like speedy meatball Grendel.
      I do think it's cool that there's speedrunning-specialized frames like that, but I'd like there to be more stuff like the Praedos and shards etc., feels like Titania is like twice as fast WITH more flexible movement as it is.
      For pure speed, you'd still ideally use a specialized frame, but it'd be cool if frames with other utility were just a bit closer imo, that Equinox KPS + box breaking fissure build helping thermal sunder titania scale dmg is a good example.
      Currently... I think people ideally just run 4 Titanias, 3 on Sunder 1 on Terrify, or something like that, I notice the non-Titania basically always lags behind.

    • @shinjidlarc9832
      @shinjidlarc9832 19 днів тому

      Late to the party but wrathful advance is the way. Just invert tap to hold and zip through with a huge melee crit buff, or enjoy the instant mobility if you built range.

    • @Gnurklesquimp2
      @Gnurklesquimp2 19 днів тому

      @@shinjidlarc9832 Ah right, I didn't even end up grabbing a single Kullervo yet so didn't try that, seems good with crazy energy econ even if the helminth has reduced range, though I'm not sure I could make that work to great effect with the energy cost on Maim channeling Equinox, for example.
      The base movement still is my favorite as well, I hope to see some more gear options for it that we can stack if we wanna get closer to that Titania.
      But it's definitely better than it's ever been as it is, amber shards and Praedos alone make any frame really quite fast at minimal cost, amalgam mods for dodge and/or sprint speed.

  • @60centreviews29
    @60centreviews29 10 місяців тому +16

    I laughed @7:18 "I'm sure he thought we were the problem."
    Lmao too many random tenno want us to pick up the reactant for them or something. I wish DE would just make reactant work the same as it does on railjack

    • @baduser103
      @baduser103 10 місяців тому +16

      For real, its so dumb that load times can cuck you out of getting your reactant in normal fissures, especially with WF mobile on the horizon

    • @Tripleyou
      @Tripleyou 10 місяців тому +3

      Problem with that is it would inventivize joining mission and AFK. We dont wanna encourage the leech culture more do we?

    • @60centreviews29
      @60centreviews29 10 місяців тому +4

      Dang didn't even consider people just loading in and being afk for rewards. I have no idea what the solution for this problem is now lol.

    • @yeahthatsme4863
      @yeahthatsme4863 10 місяців тому

      Maybe they should also apply the anti-afk thing they have to it? If you just afk, then the reagent won't count towards your personal counter, like they have with synthesis

    • @NapOfNaps
      @NapOfNaps 10 місяців тому +1

      @@60centreviews29 be faster lmao

  • @baduser103
    @baduser103 10 місяців тому +1

    I usualy use xaku, a bit of ability spam at the start and a leisurely stroll through the rest of the mission. Good titanias are faster though

  • @TheZackNova
    @TheZackNova 10 місяців тому +2

    Neutron star is nerfed to hell after they added line of sight check.

  • @knicklichtjedi
    @knicklichtjedi 10 місяців тому +2

    A big plus of Neuron Star that I don't think you mentioned:
    Even with high effect/particle settings, you can see the mission. With Thermal Sunder everything is just energy color + particles.

    • @Tripleyou
      @Tripleyou 10 місяців тому +3

      Black energy color is required for thermal sunder. Anything else I see as a downright insult lol

  • @marvinmetellus7919
    @marvinmetellus7919 10 місяців тому +1

    To be honest i'm just inpressed that you uplaod every single day

  • @disguyovaheere8140
    @disguyovaheere8140 3 місяці тому

    for a second i thought you had two orange archon shards for heat kills giving secondary buffs

  • @scottnowaskey8991
    @scottnowaskey8991 10 місяців тому +6

    Wait for your teammate to get 10 reactant 😟

  • @RichHimes-sd1nj
    @RichHimes-sd1nj 10 місяців тому

    I think speed runners mess with the game's indicator and often the indicator shows the wrong direction or disappears when a farmer is running with speed runners. Also glitches occur getting stuck happens a lot if you leave a player behind getting stuck in walls or in extermination missions the indicator shows the slowest guy he was to go back and kill the enemies you passed... You don't seem to know that by rushing through the game actually slows the down and causes glitches. If you want to speed run why go public? I know speed runners say if you want to farm you should go solo... someone is always unhappy. Recently I do everything solo especially SP because I always get 9-13 SE solo and 5 in a group of speed runners. That said I speed run rescue with Titania because the rescued character will spawn at the exit if you speed run it. I always ask myself is this a looter shooter game or not? Complaining about the slow guy at the end, you probably caused him to be slow.

  • @henrylangham6428
    @henrylangham6428 10 місяців тому

    nuke titania in low level fissure missions. 60 reactant drop in 30 seconds in a mission with only 30 enemies spawned and corrupted enemies spawn 400 meters away and spawn already corrupted and drop reactant then get blown up from aeo nuke 400 meters away
    literally any fissure mission without room nuke. 500 enemies spawn, 3/10 reactant. enemies refuse to turn corrupted from fissure. enemies refuse to spawn. team mates all scattered across map probably mess up spawns
    WHY DE WHY

  • @0ptimismPrime
    @0ptimismPrime 9 місяців тому +1

    it seems like these builds are only viable for normal mode fissures. i don't see why i would ever run anything not on steel path.

  • @marceljansen3812
    @marceljansen3812 10 місяців тому

    Great build!

  • @no_one3249
    @no_one3249 7 місяців тому

    thank you!

  • @7mode858
    @7mode858 10 місяців тому +1

    i am using titania with tempest barrage its low range but its more fun for me

  • @Ambivalentrook5
    @Ambivalentrook5 5 місяців тому

    I am now maining titania with null star. 😂 Wow !!🎉🎉🎉Think ill make the thermal sunder build for shits and giggles. Thanks for vid.

  • @mistakess
    @mistakess 6 місяців тому

    how do you get so much energy at the beginning?

    • @TheEmpyral
      @TheEmpyral 6 місяців тому

      Preparation mod

    • @mistakess
      @mistakess 6 місяців тому

      @@TheEmpyral thank you

  • @cenation7mjc
    @cenation7mjc 10 місяців тому

    A ps for controllers i map the ability menu button to dpad and pressing it again spams the ability last selected

  • @raflisasmitasandi9280
    @raflisasmitasandi9280 8 місяців тому

    what syandana u use

  • @Infinitynova
    @Infinitynova 6 місяців тому

    Is titania’s pistols classed as secondary’s?

    • @frotwrode8545
      @frotwrode8545 6 місяців тому +1

      I think yeah, i was killing enemies with them and completed nightwave mission kill enemies with secondary

    • @Infinitynova
      @Infinitynova 6 місяців тому

      @@frotwrode8545 nice. Was hoping the orange crit shard would work on them

  • @tspin5642
    @tspin5642 8 місяців тому

    I need that Titania fashion

  • @AtegaSaryvo
    @AtegaSaryvo 10 місяців тому

    yo gaz when will you play danganronpa on stream again? I rly liked ur playthrough version of it.

  • @brianw8542
    @brianw8542 4 місяці тому

    why archon flow?

  • @Raumplestomp
    @Raumplestomp 10 місяців тому

    I'm so tired I read thermal thunder as thermal plunder.

    • @ThePalebloodDoll
      @ThePalebloodDoll Місяць тому

      it's not even thermal thunder... it's sunder

  • @RapTapTap69
    @RapTapTap69 10 місяців тому

    I have so many neutron star builds that i have macros for my 1-4 to double tap lol

  • @angelknives2843
    @angelknives2843 10 місяців тому

    I just use pillage gyre for fast relics since sp has different missions. Gyre is great for lazy gamers.

  • @MageSkeleton
    @MageSkeleton 10 місяців тому

    i much prefer using Sunder with Harrow. It's also funnier. i miss WoF and Kullervo's "rain of daggers" is basically Ember's old "WoF" ability before they made it follow her which is an option they could had went with instead of the stupid "meteor" ability she has now. But i digress.

  • @onikage1988
    @onikage1988 9 місяців тому +1

    Gaz, are you a gen y. cause yea rant like one.

  • @hyaki-Sensei
    @hyaki-Sensei 10 місяців тому

    we need a plat guide

  • @bradmilliner6085
    @bradmilliner6085 10 місяців тому +5

    I officially don’t like this guy anymore