Hi. If you're ever wanting an idea for an episode, maybe go through what all the ratios in the Sailboat Calculations mean in on-water actuality. Like SA, Bal., S# and Comfort Ratio. I know they're important but I don't know precisely what they are. Cheers, Michael
I have sailed on a Baba 30 in the Pacific Northwest and will vouch that they are great boats, however, the teak decks are HOT in sunny areas, and certainly a teak deck as old as the listed boat will need to be replaced SOON - if it is not already too late (deck core leaks and the resulting damage). It is a monumental job to strip teak decks/cabin tops and recoat with Kiwi Grip as you have to remove the entire headliner, all the deck fittings, before you can even start taking off the teak. For that reason alone, I think one would be better off with the Catalina 34, even it it is not as pretty.
Thank you for your introducing different good yarchts ! I like your No1pick the Baba which can make me do the transpacific sailing safely from California to Korea after adding sailing instruments like wind vane and so on.
Sorry to disagree. I sailed over 100,000nm miles with in the mast furling on my Hans Christian 48T with never an issue. The two best things about in the mast furling are: 1) if you think you should reef, you do, 2) all sail handling is from the safety of the cockpit. I've never understood why more sailors haven't embraced the idea. But each to their own.
Ok to disagree! My fear might be irrational. I would worry about it somehow becoming fouled in the mast, half in, half out. Then what? Again, I have never had an issue, it’s just one I would worry about and it may not be warranted. I am a big believer in Murphy’s Law: if it can go wrong, it will... But I worry a lot! I appreciate the comment!
Rather than taking the owners word or broker pull the dipstick on the engine and take a little oil. You can get a oil sample kit from your auto parts store where you return it and they'll tell you what's going on with the engine.. its like $20 or less and gives you a ton of information
Hi Ed! We did one in Florida a couple of months ago. We’ll be back with a new Florida episode shortly! Thanks for watching and check out the older Florida episode in the meantime. Where in FL are you?
Yep ... I think you got the ranking right ... I would agree on all of them. I love the Baba design -- I'd really like to own a Baba 40. I just hate looking at the boats on the West Coast knowing that getting them shipped to the east coast would cost an arm and a leg ... I come across so many that i would like to see in person! It's just depressing.
About 50 miles from NYC in northwest New Jersey -- I'm always watching the same sites as you for the Northeast region. I know that when the time is right, I'll find the one that I will pull the trigger on. Right now though, it's snowmobile season for me -- just waiting for a good base to ride in central New York! @@boatfools
Thanks for this video. I've been watching the Baba 30 that was for sale near Seattle and was thinking the same thing... beautiful, but WAY too much. I had also checked out the Pearson 303 that you featured and I'm about 70% of the way there (financially). I'd like to have a boat that can make the circuit from Alaska, Mexico and maybe Hawaii.
There's another Baba in San Diego - for less. Tiller. You've probably seen here. About $24k, I think. The Pearson looks great, but I would take the Baba on the adventure you've described...
The Baba and the Sabre would be my picks. There's something about Catalina's I can't put my finger on. Coming from power boating they remind me of bayliners. Not a bad thing but I just look past them. Having said that their super successful and kudos to them.
I have a Baba 30 and absolutely LOVE the boat! Bought her for solo cruising in the sea of Cortez and I couldn’t be happier. She’s well built, solid as a rock, comfortable, and beautiful! Great boat!!
So surprised to see you evaluating boats in Socal! You know I am a fan and glad to see you expand your brand! Also, interesting that you occaisonally visit Carpenteria and love the area. I always assumed you were a very provincial Mainer and I am learning that you are not. I grew up in CT and in my thirties, moved to Westlake Village (part of the first valley inland from Malibu). I occaisionally sail untilizing a fiend's sailing club memebership and I am alsways looking for the perfect boat. Loved almost all these boats, especially the Baba, Pearson, and immaculate Ericson. You found some great prices given the Socal market which runs a bit high.
Hi Richard! If I couldn't live in Camden, ME, and could afford to live in Carp, that's where I'd go! Really pretty town. Unfortunately, like most coastal communities, it has become beyond expensive...but I love to visit. Some fun boats out that way! Thanks for your continued support!
I get it! I follow the real estate in Inner/Outer Banks area for relative affordability and weather, but my wife is not quite onboard. I was lucky to buy in a special community 35 years ago and resisted the temptation to flip/refi constantly/ etc. but now we're talking real estate, not boats. Sorry for the typo earlier, my friend will be happy to know he is a great "friend", not a "fiend". @@boatfools
First of all...THANKS for heading to the West Coast and I look forward to more reviews from the PNW. Second, I really like the new scoring format, and I was hoping you would show your actual scores in all the categories for all the boats so I could compare to my scores. I had the Baba at 21 as well, but I'd actually rather have the Pearson 30-3 that I scored at 19.5. Built like a tank and great for a new sailor like myself. I also scored the Ericson at 32-3 at 19.5. Probably because I am swayed by Christian Williams beautiful Ericson 32 (Thelonius I) and his 38 (Thelonius II). I'm wondering why it didn't rank above the Sabre in your tally. The high engine hours and main sail roller furling lowered it for me to a 18.8. Anyway, this was great fun and I REALLY appreciate what you are doing for those of us deciding what our first boat should be!
Hi Bert! We'll try to slip in our category scores in the next one. I had 19 pts for the Ericson, so it was very close. The Pearson will have more room than the Baba, with more than a foot on the water, and about half a foot at the beam. The Pearson is also super easy to sail. She would be an excellent choice. My friend just had his offer accepted on a Ericson 32-2 down in RI - $27,500. List price was $34,500 (down from $39k). There are deals to be had. I will be helping him deliver it back to Maine in June. Can't wait! Thanks for your continued support!
The most important thing to keep in mind about the SailboatData information is that it is just a guide - and best used when comparing boats of similar size. By no means is this data the last word; just helpful and fun to explore when looking at boats. If you go on the sailboatdata website, there is a definitions link that will give some good insight. But I am working on an episode that will discuss all. Thanks for watching and stay tuned! And that Baba is sweet!
Nice boats, but getting a slip in Dana Point, or San Diego, Marina Del Rey, Forget about it. Unless things have change, two years ago I couldn't find one. Some had a 5-7 year wait.
100%. I made a video called "Don't Make These 3 COSTLY Boat Buying Mistakes!" which goes over this exact issue: You must know where you're going to moor or keep your boat when she's in the water before you buy a boat. Here in Camden, ME, it is up to a 7 year wait for a mooring - less for smaller and shallow-draft boats. No sense buying a boat if you can't put it in the water. Thanks for bringing it up because it's an important reminder!
Sailboats in those areas are among the most expensive in the world! And there are not a lot of them to look at (mostly powerboats in the marinas these days). (I've lived in Seattle nearly 70 years)
#1 is the Sabre by mile. Any of the Catalinas or the Ericson 32-200 could be #2 and #3. (disclaimer: I am a former E32-200 owner). I would not rank highly a Baba or any "bluewater" boat for SoCal sailing.
@@MikeC2K10 Ha, ha! I didn't say I wouldn't take the Sabre! I love those boats. My stepfather has a 1985 Sabre 36. I would take her anywhere! And I wouldn't decline the mai tai either way!
Curiosity to me why people say their boats are bigger than they are! Island packet seems to be the most egregious of any. So here's a question, does the factory do this or is this made up by people selling their boats? Island Packet 38, no not really, it's a 35 and on and on. Anybody know? thx much
Most likely the bowsprit is being included in the LOA - especially on the IPs. And probably best to know overall length for calculating future dock fees/hauling fees as they include every appendage to maximize fees. But, really, your LWL and beam is where you can really gauge the size of the vessel, in terms of living area, relative to like size boats.
A warning that i will share with others is that no matter what you're insuring be very leery of progressive insurance and companies like them.. they're cheap because they do not pay unless you hire an attorney and make them pay under orders of the law.. its time consuming and takes more money than you were saving.. there's companies out there that will insure any boat as long as the survey checks out
Hi. If you're ever wanting an idea for an episode, maybe go through what all the ratios in the Sailboat Calculations mean in on-water actuality. Like SA, Bal., S# and Comfort Ratio. I know they're important but I don't know precisely what they are. Cheers, Michael
And what some of the specifications mean (cutter rig, sloop, LOA, LWL)
@@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 on it!
Again. Enjoyed this. Thank you for posting.
And thanks for watching!
I have sailed on a Baba 30 in the Pacific Northwest and will vouch that they are great boats, however, the teak decks are HOT in sunny areas, and certainly a teak deck as old as the listed boat will need to be replaced SOON - if it is not already too late (deck core leaks and the resulting damage). It is a monumental job to strip teak decks/cabin tops and recoat with Kiwi Grip as you have to remove the entire headliner, all the deck fittings, before you can even start taking off the teak. For that reason alone, I think one would be better off with the Catalina 34, even it it is not as pretty.
Theo best hour of the day!
Wilson! Thank you! Happy New Year!
Thank you for your introducing different good yarchts !
I like your No1pick the Baba which can make me do the transpacific sailing safely from California to Korea
after adding sailing instruments like wind vane and so on.
You bet! Thanks for watching!
Sorry to disagree. I sailed over 100,000nm miles with in the mast furling on my Hans Christian 48T with never an issue. The two best things about in the mast furling are: 1) if you think you should reef, you do, 2) all sail handling is from the safety of the cockpit. I've never understood why more sailors haven't embraced the idea. But each to their own.
Ok to disagree! My fear might be irrational. I would worry about it somehow becoming fouled in the mast, half in, half out. Then what? Again, I have never had an issue, it’s just one I would worry about and it may not be warranted. I am a big believer in Murphy’s Law: if it can go wrong, it will... But I worry a lot! I appreciate the comment!
I would be concerned about sail design compromises to get it to roll up well. Maybe it’s only a second order performance hit tho?
Google Murphy's law.
i prefer hunters because they are so bright because of all of the hatches!
The Baba was my #1, #2 and #3. Oh my apple pie, she is the girl of my dreams.
Haha! Yeah, cool boat fore sure! Thanks for watching.
Thanks much! How about the 3rd coast? What are your picks for boats in Texas?
We'll get there. Promise. Big country! Thanks for watching!
Rather than taking the owners word or broker pull the dipstick on the engine and take a little oil. You can get a oil sample kit from your auto parts store where you return it and they'll tell you what's going on with the engine.. its like $20 or less and gives you a ton of information
Yep. Great idea!
i wish you did this for EAST Coast. great video just im in Florida
Hi Ed! We did one in Florida a couple of months ago. We’ll be back with a new Florida episode shortly! Thanks for watching and check out the older Florida episode in the meantime. Where in FL are you?
Yep ... I think you got the ranking right ... I would agree on all of them. I love the Baba design -- I'd really like to own a Baba 40. I just hate looking at the boats on the West Coast knowing that getting them shipped to the east coast would cost an arm and a leg ... I come across so many that i would like to see in person! It's just depressing.
The right one will turn up! Where are you located?
About 50 miles from NYC in northwest New Jersey -- I'm always watching the same sites as you for the Northeast region. I know that when the time is right, I'll find the one that I will pull the trigger on. Right now though, it's snowmobile season for me -- just waiting for a good base to ride in central New York! @@boatfools
Thanks for this video. I've been watching the Baba 30 that was for sale near Seattle and was thinking the same thing... beautiful, but WAY too much.
I had also checked out the Pearson 303 that you featured and I'm about 70% of the way there (financially).
I'd like to have a boat that can make the circuit from Alaska, Mexico and maybe Hawaii.
There's another Baba in San Diego - for less. Tiller. You've probably seen here. About $24k, I think. The Pearson looks great, but I would take the Baba on the adventure you've described...
I’d like to make that one as well!!
The Baba and the Sabre would be my picks. There's something about Catalina's I can't put my finger on. Coming from power boating they remind me of bayliners. Not a bad thing but I just look past them. Having said that their super successful and kudos to them.
I have a Baba 30 and absolutely LOVE the boat! Bought her for solo cruising in the sea of Cortez and I couldn’t be happier. She’s well built, solid as a rock, comfortable, and beautiful!
Great boat!!
Cogratulations, what a beautiful boat.Character out the wazoo. Happy sailing@@rbriancall
So surprised to see you evaluating boats in Socal! You know I am a fan and glad to see you expand your brand! Also, interesting that you occaisonally visit Carpenteria and love the area. I always assumed you were a very provincial Mainer and I am learning that you are not. I grew up in CT and in my thirties, moved to Westlake Village (part of the first valley inland from Malibu). I occaisionally sail untilizing a fiend's sailing club memebership and I am alsways looking for the perfect boat. Loved almost all these boats, especially the Baba, Pearson, and immaculate Ericson. You found some great prices given the Socal market which runs a bit high.
Hi Richard! If I couldn't live in Camden, ME, and could afford to live in Carp, that's where I'd go! Really pretty town. Unfortunately, like most coastal communities, it has become beyond expensive...but I love to visit. Some fun boats out that way! Thanks for your continued support!
I get it! I follow the real estate in Inner/Outer Banks area for relative affordability and weather, but my wife is not quite onboard. I was lucky to buy in a special community 35 years ago and resisted the temptation to flip/refi constantly/ etc. but now we're talking real estate, not boats. Sorry for the typo earlier, my friend will be happy to know he is a great "friend", not a "fiend". @@boatfools
First of all...THANKS for heading to the West Coast and I look forward to more reviews from the PNW. Second, I really like the new scoring format, and I was hoping you would show your actual scores in all the categories for all the boats so I could compare to my scores. I had the Baba at 21 as well, but I'd actually rather have the Pearson 30-3 that I scored at 19.5. Built like a tank and great for a new sailor like myself. I also scored the Ericson at 32-3 at 19.5. Probably because I am swayed by Christian Williams beautiful Ericson 32 (Thelonius I) and his 38 (Thelonius II). I'm wondering why it didn't rank above the Sabre in your tally. The high engine hours and main sail roller furling lowered it for me to a 18.8. Anyway, this was great fun and I REALLY appreciate what you are doing for those of us deciding what our first boat should be!
Hi Bert! We'll try to slip in our category scores in the next one. I had 19 pts for the Ericson, so it was very close. The Pearson will have more room than the Baba, with more than a foot on the water, and about half a foot at the beam. The Pearson is also super easy to sail. She would be an excellent choice. My friend just had his offer accepted on a Ericson 32-2 down in RI - $27,500. List price was $34,500 (down from $39k). There are deals to be had. I will be helping him deliver it back to Maine in June. Can't wait! Thanks for your continued support!
Thanks so much!! @@boatfools
I looked at that Baba and it needed more teak work than I could handle. Im not sure that listing is current..
Great intel, John. Thanks for pointing this out. And thanks for watching!
@@boatfools Really neat boat though. I liked it.
Yeah, like the Baba
The most important thing to keep in mind about the SailboatData information is that it is just a guide - and best used when comparing boats of similar size. By no means is this data the last word; just helpful and fun to explore when looking at boats. If you go on the sailboatdata website, there is a definitions link that will give some good insight. But I am working on an episode that will discuss all. Thanks for watching and stay tuned!
And that Baba is sweet!
@@boatfools Thanks. Will do.
Nice boats, but getting a slip in Dana Point, or San Diego, Marina Del Rey, Forget about it. Unless things have change, two years ago I couldn't find one. Some had a 5-7 year wait.
100%. I made a video called "Don't Make These 3 COSTLY Boat Buying Mistakes!" which goes over this exact issue: You must know where you're going to moor or keep your boat when she's in the water before you buy a boat. Here in Camden, ME, it is up to a 7 year wait for a mooring - less for smaller and shallow-draft boats. No sense buying a boat if you can't put it in the water. Thanks for bringing it up because it's an important reminder!
I’d like to see what you can find in the Pacific Northwest. Seattle, Portland, Vancouver B.C. area.
We're working on this now. Either next weekend or the following. So many boats!
Sailboats in those areas are among the most expensive in the world! And there are not a lot of them to look at (mostly powerboats in the marinas these days). (I've lived in Seattle nearly 70 years)
#1 is the Sabre by mile. Any of the Catalinas or the Ericson 32-200 could be #2 and #3. (disclaimer: I am a former E32-200 owner). I would not rank highly a Baba or any "bluewater" boat for SoCal sailing.
You're right - but I would take the Baba to Hawaii...
@@boatfools I would take the Sabre to Hawaii and bring you a mai tai on my dinghy when you arrive days after me. :)
@@MikeC2K10 Ha, ha! I didn't say I wouldn't take the Sabre! I love those boats. My stepfather has a 1985 Sabre 36. I would take her anywhere! And I wouldn't decline the mai tai either way!
catalinas are waaaaaaay too dark inside!
Curiosity to me why people say their boats are bigger than they are! Island packet seems to be the most egregious of any. So here's a question, does the factory do this or is this made up by people selling their boats? Island Packet 38, no not really, it's a 35 and on and on. Anybody know? thx much
Most likely the bowsprit is being included in the LOA - especially on the IPs. And probably best to know overall length for calculating future dock fees/hauling fees as they include every appendage to maximize fees. But, really, your LWL and beam is where you can really gauge the size of the vessel, in terms of living area, relative to like size boats.
@@boatfools Sure, knew that, but when shopping boats it sure makes it difficult to know what you're looking at. Thanks for the reply.
A warning that i will share with others is that no matter what you're insuring be very leery of progressive insurance and companies like them.. they're cheap because they do not pay unless you hire an attorney and make them pay under orders of the law.. its time consuming and takes more money than you were saving.. there's companies out there that will insure any boat as long as the survey checks out
I’ve never met an insurance company that’s a breeze to work with. If you have suggestions, please share!
@boatfools the one's I've dealt with pay.. progressive will not pay unless you're willing to hire an attorney and take them to court..
terrible interior designon the ericson
Interesting video. These are my ratings: ` seamanship Affordability Comfort Usability Pretty Total
Boat 8 Kirie 37 36000 4 3.5 3 4 4 18.5 1980 Elite 37, 12' beam, roller furling, qtr bearth tight, man wethead, all lines to aft, TILLER steering, dodger, no bimini, Draft , LOW 35.8, beam 12+, drft 5.92,40 gal fuel 90 gal wtr, 7.53 knts
Boat 7 Sabre 32 3 34900 4 3 3 4 4 18 mid 20s to 30, 1984, full enclosure dodger/bemini, atuo helml lazy jacks, 5,299 hrs, ROLLER FURLING IN MAST,offer mid 20K, elec windless, drft 6.5, beam 10.33, LOW 26.17, 6.85 knts
Boat 6 Catalina 38 3 38,000 3.5 3.5 3.75 3 4 17.75 1989, no dodger or bimini, man head,35 hp w1,300 hrs, 6.8 drft, 12 beam , 20 fuel, 55 wtr, 8' dinghy w3.5 hp, LOW 38, 7.29 knts
Boat 3 Catalina 36 37500 4 3 3 3 4 17 Owner finance, 700 hrs, new batteries, no dodger, bimini, wethead man., loa 36, loe 30, draft 5.8, low fuel and wtr. 7.29 knts, ofer 30K
Boat 2 Ericson 32 28900 3.5 3.5 3 3 4 17 Dodger, autohelm, all lines to aft,no refrigeration, self tailing, 6' draft, 1,100 hrs 25 hp, narriw 10.8', 6.8 knts,
Boat 1 Catalina 34 35000 3.5 3.5 3.5 3.5 4 18 No engine hrs, 12' beam, 5.5' draft, 7.32 knts
Boat 9 Catalina 36 24000 3.5 3.5 3 3 3.5 16.5 1984,Low fuel and water storage,new maserater, new running rigging, 90 hrs, roller furling, dodger, self tailing, out of compliance fuel locker, older instruments, marine grade plywood sol, drft 5.8, man wet head, LOW30.25,
Boat 4 Baba 30 1 32500 3.5 3 3 2.5 3.5 15.5 Manual windlass, canoe stern, self tailing, asthetic appeal, nice galley, engine hrs 730, autohelm, offer 25K, full keel,narrow 10.25, drft 4.75, good fuel and wtr, cmfrt 33!,
Boat 10 Pearson 30 2 22000 3.5 3.5 3 3 3 16 No dodger, only 100 hrs, no freezer, wethead, draft 4.3,Low fuel 22 and water 40 storage,LOW 25.37, beam 10.92
Boat 5 newport 30 24900 3.5 3 2.5 9 offer under 20K, bimini, no dodger, norefrigeration,serviced '23, elec head, lOW 26.3. beam 10.67, drft 5.17, 70 wtr, 30 fuel, spd 6.9,
Bummer. I tried to copy a spread sheet, but it gave me this mess and the Comments won't take a screen shot.