We need to make Star Wars great again and George Lucas actually knows what the f*** he's talking about where Disney does not play think by pretending to care and faking diversity is somehow inclusive is not Star Wars was actually inclusive if you actually watch the original show or even films before Disney
I would love him too, especially since I really liked Clone Wars, but he's said multiple times that he's done! If he wasn't, he wouldn't have sold the rights to Disney!
Honestly, yeah. Don't think he will. Don't think he wants to touch what star wars became, it would be too much pressure on him to fix what disney messed up. The entire sequel trilogy would need to be retconned or simply de-canonized for many fans to get interest back. I sure as hell didn't watch the original movie rooting for Luke for him to become a burned out hermit at the end of his journey. He was suppose to rebuild the Jedi order... Han and Leia suppose to have a happy life together not being dragged apart. No I can't I don't think this damage can be fixed
At this point, considering everyone in Hollywood is being allowed to touch the franchise, I don't see the problem in giving him a chance. If his contributions help, fantastic. If not, they can just kick him out again.
One of the greatest and legendary actors of all time in Cinema history. he’s one with the Force. We’ll miss you James. 🕊️ James Earl Jones (1931 - 2024)
I’m with Doug in terms of the middle ground. Lucas has ideas, but he shouldn’t be the one to execute them. Let him be the guide, but don’t give him the wheel.
@tcodes27 Thats exactly what I have always believed. Lucas has great ideas, good stories, great eye for effects, and visuals, but he was not the greatest at executing them.
Same, I've always has this opinion. Lucas is an awesome ideas guy, but he needs help from more technical or logical people to execute it in a cohesive and good way. And I mean that in the best way possible -- the whole idea for the Star Wars universe borrows from other things, but in a very original and unique way, and Lucas deserves a lot of credit for that.
I think he should come back in a creative consultant role because he can make a good, coherent story but his problem is that he needs other people to tell him no and to help him fix the ‘wordier’ parts of his scripts.
@@conforzo I mean that’s what happened with the Original Trilogy and the problem with the Prequels lay in the fact that Lucas was surrounded by a bunch of yes-men who refused to argue against his decisions even when he asked.
Tony Soprano Voice: "Now that Lucas is gone, he's a saint! When he was in charge? NOTHIN'. Y'know, Lucas was tough, ran his own company! Guy like that, and the fans wore. Him. Down to a little nub. He was a squeaky little gerbil when he sold Lucasfilm!"
One reason I remember the prequel-era fondly despite disliking the movies is because Lucas was good at licensing out the ip to PHENOMENAL artists, espcially with the videogames. In the 2000s there was a great star wars game for basically any genre despite there being some bad games in the mix. Kotor, battlefront 2, shadows of the empire, the Jedi Knight/Dark Forces series, Star Wars Galaxies, Empire at War, Bounty Hunter, Rogue Squadron series. The list goes on and on.
People who want Lucas back I think commonly forget to mention something major...does Lucas WANT to come back to star wars? He sold it for a reason. He no longer has to deal with everyone being mad at him. He still goes to star wars events like Star Wars Celebration but he no longer has to take any blame. I think he's happy making films no one except his friends and family will watch with his $4 billion
@@Thed538dhsk He hasn't been to Star Wars Celebration since 2017 and that was mainly for the 40th Anniversary. Likewise to celebrate the life of Carrie Fisher. He also donated the money from the sale to philanthropic causes.
@@Thed538dhsk He's never said he wanted to come back. If anything he's said just the opposite when he talked about how they discarded his stories for the Sequels and don't understand very basic things. He's happily retired as he's raising his daughter and opening an art museum next year in Los Angeles.
yes at all cost. the reason why episode VII was a huge event because at the time that was the only star wars movie we got at the moment, yes we have stuff like the clone wars or some games but they weren't mainstream enought to have an entire audience, so yes it was an event because we weren't oversaturated with star wars
No can't really do that anymore with a streak that bad it'll just spend those 10 years still getting roasted. The freezing only works when you in the middle and exit on a high.
Nah so the actors/characters die? I guess you could recast them but that's kind of the problem with star wars it's continuity it's really really rigid, and can't really fit many new stuff unless is far beyond in the future or far back in the past
@@jorgerincon6874 Those actors aren't the only stories that exist in a Galaxy far far away. Let there be more stories and let The ones that came before take a damn break. They don't DESERVE constant work.
Yeah, that's why a lot of the stuff Filoni and Favreau went on to make without him just hasn't been at the same level of quality. People vastly underestimate how much impact George had on the show's success.
What does "heavily involved" mean, though? He didn't write. He didn't direct. He was an executive producer, which can mean anything from "Gave overall story ideas and was consulted with on major decisions" to "Drunkenly called Dave Filoni in the middle of the night to say, 'THEY SHOULD CALL EACH OTHER FLYGUY AND SNIPS.'"
@@LuccianoBartolini Lucas's vision made a child a commanding officer of a galaxy-spanning military force, made the Force special germs in your body only some people can have, had an entire elite force of soldiers beaten by small teddy bears armed with sticks and stones, retroactively implied incest between two main characters, and nerfed a potentially terrifying character into near comic relief. How's any of that better than what "Disney" did?
Did he even have a vision for that? I am not saying that he couldn't write a continuation to the original trilogy, but I never got the feeling that he wanted to continue with these characters to begin with.
@@kaihedgie1747and Lucas would've brought maul back and frankly I'm happy with what him and filoni did with him in clone wars and rebels. Having him return as the main villain of a trilogy wouldn't feel right.
I don't think the prequels are that bad, and you know why? Because at least George Lucas had the guts to try and tell a new story set in the Star Wars universe. It might not be the best story, but for a long time the expanded Star Wars universe used a ton of concepts that came from the prequels instead of the original trilogy. The prequels actually make the Star Wars universe bigger. Also, because this was his vision the story might not fly, but the universe doesn't feel disconnected. The prequels had jedi, had aliens, cool lightsaber duels, dog fights in space, they FELT like Star Wars. Disney's main problem is that it's either just trying to tell you the stories we already heard or trying to tell you a story that feel very disconnected from the whole universe. In fact the positive thing about The Acolyte was this: it was trying to tell a different story. It was not about "member Han Solo?", or "member the Death Star?", and yes there was this here and there because Disney makes it mandatory, it seems, to appeal to nostalgia. The problem is that not only the story was boring and very badly written, it never feels like you're watching a Star Wars story. It feels like something trying to copy Star Wars instead, like the dumb Rebel Moon series from Zack Snyder. But a show like Asohka, for example...it's basically all about "remember when Anakin became Darth Vader", and so on. Also, people should have learned from Rian Johnson that trying to make Star Wars this morally grey story is not gonna fly. You're not gonna turn Star Wars into Game of Thrones. It's a simple story: there's the dark side and there is the light side. Dark side is evil, light side is good. It's really not that hard, and when people try to make these relativistic approaches to the story like "look, the Jedi might be kind of assholes" it doesn't ring true to the overall theme. And as for the people in the comments saying it's the fans fault...f*ck off. The fans have hated on the prequels for over two decades and NO ONE ever said the fan base was ruining Star Wars because of it, not then and not now. But NOW, now that Disney owns it and is trying to make scape goats for what basically ammounts to bad writing and lack of creativity...oh, NOW the fans are ruining it? Get a grip. Fans have every right to love or hate the creative paths the stories they love are taking, and most of what Disney came out with for Star Wars so far is either bad or passable. The book of Boba Fett? The Acolyte? Asohka? Obi-Wan? Those were not good, and that's why instead of the pop culture mark that Star Wars used to be, the new generation regards it as a crappy TV Show. Fans have every right to be upset about it and yes, even hate on it. It was never a problem for the prequels and you're not gonna make it a problem now.
@@Shadowkey392 I'm sorry, you're dead wrong. Because BEFORE The Last Jedi Disney made The Force Awakens, and that movie was 100% just a copy and paste of the original Star Wars (episode IV). So Disney has been banking on nostalgia ever since the first minute they acquired the IP. However, I would agree that, like The Acolyte, The Last Jedi tried to tell a different story, and that is its greatest merit. And just like The Acolyte, it tried and it failed, for a number of different reasons: for once, it treats the hero of the original story, Luke Skywalker, with indignity, a trend that became a common place for Hollywood these days, that EVERY hero we had just ended up a sad and pathetic old person. Second, like I've said before, TLJ tried to subvert the Star Wars lore by trying to blurry the clear lines between good and evil that the universe sets up with the jedi and the sith, and as I've said it you're not gonna turn Star Wars into Game of Thrones because "Lannisters in space" doesn't sound true to the overarching theme. The sith are not morally grey, they're evil, and the sith who abandon the dark side are the ones with an arch of redemption, like the jedi who fall to the dark side are because of misguidance. But they're never "kinda with a foot on each side of the fence", they're either becoming evil or trying to make their way back to the light. Darth Vader was not "oh yeah, that guy who's sometimes kind of an asshole". I do agree that stories like GOT are interesting because it makes for more complex characters, but that's NOT how the Star Wars universe works. And not only that, I would give Rian Johnson extra points if the movie had at least had the guts to stick to its guns and ended up with a crazy twist, like Rey becoming the villain and Kylo Ren becoming the hero, to show that the jedi are just as capable of evil as the sith are for good, but it doesn't even do that, it just runs back to "jedi good, sith evil" after a ton of preaching how that was bullshit. So don't give us this bs that Disney won't try anything new because the fans don't want anything original; Disney doesn't do it because they've proved with SW, with Marvel and even with their own IP that they are so creatively bankrupt that the only way they can think of how to make money is to try and appeal for your memories of a time when they weren't. The fans want new, but it's not JUST about being new, it's about being true to the themes, it's about treating with dignity a lore that they love and improving on what came before. This attitude of "forget your story, here's a BETTER story" just pisses of the fanbase because they don't want Hollywood to toss aside a universe they hold dear because they think you should just like this new one they're giving you. The fans want a story that shows them it loves its origins just as much as they do. That's why Deadpool & Wolverine works! And frankly, it's not a tall order.
Here's the thing: George Lucas sold his franchise and has no interest in returning BECAUSE he dealt with angry fans/harassment across the 2000s. And even if George did his own Episode 7-9, we'd find endless reasons to complain about them too. So him returning for anything wouldn't be the deus ex salvation people think it is - if anything, fans are just running from the revelation that WE kicked Lucas out and want to wipe our hands of accountability. And if you don't believe me, look back at the old Force Awakens reactions. Nearly everyone was celebrating how it felt like classic Star Wars and wasn't anything like the prequels. That WAS the mood of 2015-2018.
I’d say it was happening even before the 2000’s the amount of toxicity that came out from the OT remasters was just as bad best example being the Han shot first argument
@@minidwarf4266 What made the original trilogy great is that Lucas had help, people were telling him what would work and what didn't. With the prequels he had way too much control and no one was arguing with him. So there needs to be a balance of when and when not to listen to Lucas, because Starwars can be very difficult to make.
As a staunch defender of George & the prequels I remember back in 2013 when DIsney first bought Star Wars the hate for George Lucas and the prequels went even more astronomical levels not seen since the Plinkett reviews. My only response to the people who changed their tune now is this is the Hell you chose and there is no going back...
No. Let the dude enjoy his 4-billion-dollar retirement and however much time he's got left WITHOUT worrying about Star Wars fans breathing down his neck. He seems happier without that.
I totally agree w/ you on this, but they need to stop w/ Star Wars anything at this point, or at least take a VERY long break. The fandom is beyond toxic over the dumbest stuff & when we try to move forward, they go & stop it when there’s insane backlash. I’m just over the IP that much. But i know that’s probably impossible to ask given its revenue or whatever. So guess we’ll just have to chug along on this annoying point in the fandom….😞
The problem is that, to many people out there, the simple act of including a diverse person into Star Wars automatically counts as "pandering" to them.
@@bowmaj8666 no it’s reaction to bad story or gameplay, and the reaction from writers or actors to the bad reviews that the project failed due to some other nonsense
@@JasonRasmussen The worst thing in the worst of the prequels is still a masterpiece compared to the best of the best Disney garbage. If we got movies on the level of quality of the prequels I'd be the happiest person in the world. I have not interacted with a Star Wars property since episode 7 - and that's supposedly the "good one"
@@JasonRasmussen What made the original trilogy great is that Lucas had help, people were telling him what would work and what didn't. With the prequels he had way too much control and no one was arguing with him. So there needs to be a balance of when and when not to listen to Lucas, because Starwars can be very difficult to make.
Disney killed all of the love people had for Star Wars. But if you go back to the good old extended universe, or even the movies - you can relieve that time you actually liked star wars
@@JasonRasmussen I was never one of that fans. There were still MILLIONS of fans for the prequels. Disney's Starwars is looking at thousands of fans, maybe.
maybe to make a one off if he really wants to, but people forget that "fans" HATED him before he sold off the rights. He was a creative, and honestly it's best for him to leave the universe to someone else's headache
I mean, they could always hire good writers that understand Star Wars. I don't think Lucas is necessary to the franchise, heck the original novels are a perfect example
The original novels are terrible, written by people who have a 'lady name' they write Barbie and my little pony novels under, because they they tried and failed and realised they couldn't make it as a legitimate author, and write cash-in novels in two weeks where they get paid by the paragraph instead. Do you honestly not know the difference between a hired shill and a real novelist? I get you were maybe a child when you read them, and you've got some weird disassociation between stuff you liked as a child because it was something you had a toy of, and actual quality writing. But if you were an adult when you read them, you're doing the equivalent of saying the guy who wrote the latest McDonalds jingle is on par with the Beatles or Jimi Hendrix or something, and not a failed musician who does shitty work for money now.
@@danjoshdp6257 All of them. Not a single writer of them writes their own books, they write whatever TV shows, films and toys pay them to pump something out for children as quickly as possible. It's what people who fail at being an actual author do to make ends meet while they regret how badly their career failed. You know, like people who go to Hollywood, cant get on a soap opera let alone a red carpet, and end up in porn instead of being the actor they dreamed of. Just like every Dora the Explorer book, and every My little Pony adventure, they're written by failed authors who have to lower themselves to this to feed themselves now. They aren't real books. Read real books by professional authors who write their own stuff instead, and see if you don't notice the difference between the two anymore. Have you read a book that's not a tie in or spin off from something else?
@@hybridvigga I can’t speak for the original trilogy novelizations, but Matthew Stover wrote a truly excellent adaptation of Revenge of the Sith. I already like the film quite a bit, but Stover turned Lucas’ script into the epic, dark, tragedy Lucas was going for. It’s up there with the Plagueis novel or the Thrawn trilogy as my favorites. And many of the other EU novels I’ve read have ranged from decent to quite good. Sure, they’re not high art like Dostoevsky or Dante, but the authors are certainly putting effort into their stories.
I think Star Wars needs VISION again. Lucas had this Vision. And at this Point I don't care about official new Star Wars Stuff I rather work on my own Fanfilm
@@benwasserman8223 Sure, but they were nearly as bad as the prequels on characters, just as bad on plot, and worse on originality and setting. They were generally better on dialogue I guess, though not by much with the Marvelization.
What's strange to me about the "Han shot first" scene isn't the changes themselves but that George saw to it to focus in so intently on this one scene and change it not once but 4 times.
George Lucas didn't ruin Star Wars. The fans ruined Star Wars for hating on certain aspects of Star Wars. There were people who would hate and bully certain people because they didn't match their exceptions or found them annoying. Jake Lloyd quit acting because of the backlash he received for his portrayal as Anakin Skywalker, of which he wasn't even that bad, and had developed mental problems due to the hatred, and Ahmed Best had thought of unaliving himself due to people hating his portrayal of Jar Jar Binks, and again, it wasn't that bad.
They ruined reputations, sure, but the problems in the prequels don’t work. They did not work, period. None of it worked and the reputation that it has clearly shows it. Trying to find new appreciation doesn’t always work just because the new stuff didn’t work. Even then, there are new good things that basically show how much the prequels do not work.
@thefirstbourne149 And of course, there's going to be someone who just hates the Prequels. The Prequels are not terrible films. Some say that they have aspects that are just as good, if not better, than the Original Trilogy. And besides, the one thing that the Prequels had that Sequel Trilogy did not was a cohesive story. The Prequels were directed by one person; George Lucas. He had a vision, and he did his best to make those three movies into a reality. The Sequel Trilogy did not have that type of focus, as Episode VII and IX were directed by JJ Abrams, while Episode VIII was directed by Rian Johnson. And because both directors had different methods on how to direct a film, it results in all three films suffering. And unlike the Prequel Trilogy, the Sequel Trilogy was made to spread a message instead of telling a cohesive story. Like, when they brought back Palpatine with no build up for his return, or how Finn's role was mitigated as the films continued, or how they ruined Luke Skywalker's character, just to name a few examples.
Disagree. The characters WERE terrible, but it's not the actor's faults and they shouldn't have to put up with all that crazy person shit they had. The characters, and the films they were in, DO deserve to be hated, but all of that is on Lucas. But people also shouldn't pretend the prequels weren't 100% awful just because they get angry about John Boyega being black, either. Not saying that's what you're doing, but people like that combined with the low quality of Star Wars these days, combined, is what's already killed it.
And then comes the inevitable defense of "Well I had no problem with the actors but..." Except as we've seen in the past couple decades up to now, people never separate actors from characters and these same people refuse to take responsibility or self-reflect. It's always "someone/something else's problem"
I personally didn't hate Jake Lloyd or Ahmed Bhest. I wasn't a fan of their characters, but I understood that it was a result of the directing choices with no second takes or rewrites. The fact that people were so obsessed with how bad they found the Phantom Menace that they harassed and threatened Jake Lloyd into schizophrenia makes me sick to my stomach and ashamed of us as movie fans.
@@tylere.8436 "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent", which is also quite relevant here. Being a good writer does not mean writing only good dialogues, which the prequels do have. It is writing stories, characters, situations, conflicts, doing a good worldbuilding, etc... It is Luke throwing away his lightsaber and refusing to serve the emperor "I'm a Jedi like my father before me", instead of defeating the tyrant and becoming the emperor of the galaxy as Kasdan and Kurtz intended.
It’s interesting that Doug still has a very 2000s negative view of the prequels. Not a lot of people are saying they’re masterpieces now but they’ve definitely been given a second look.
No, people who are racist just pretend they weren't a pile of self indulgent bullshit with poor storytelling, terrible acting and worse dialogue, because the main characters are all white (Mace Windu is a bit part role outside of the animated stuff.) Anyone with self respect and a clue about the quality of movies, knows both the prequels and sequels (and Jedi) are stinking piles of shit, and the only three star wars movies that aren't truly bad films are Empire, Rogue One and a New Hope.
They were never THAT bad (er....mostly) but most of the "second look" has come from people who decided that they hate the Disney sequels more. So it's not like they've gotten any better, they're just not in last place anymore. Which is funny because before that people hated the special editions. And before that, people were willing to criticize the holy OT, with RotJ generally being considered the "worst" movie. Star Wars fandom is weird.
The prequels sucked, the only reason people pretend they're good now is because the sequels are worse and made by Disney. Remember Jar Jar Binks? The terrible "romance" scenes in episode II and the god awful CG? the terrible acting? Let's not delude ourselves, Star Wars was declining in quality long before Disney got a hold of it, let's not pretend they're suddenly good.
The whole "it was saved in the editing" is furthering the denigration of George Lucas. The editors didn't write it, direct it, cast it, score it, get the special effects done for it, so the "it was saved in the editing" is a cudgel against George that should be set down, and never picked back up.
...Adding the score and special effects is part of the editing/post-production process. Also, George Lucas didn't create the special effects for Star Wars, nor did he score it. You're giving Lucas credit for 2 major factors of Star Wars' success that he didn't actually help with.
And this is the problem. That video was NOT an attack on George Lucas. It was about how important editing is to a movie. But you assumed it was an attack on him.
@@gokbay3057 That's those people's problem then. All I got out of it was "Wow it's amazing how much better the movie is after the edits." It was never about attacking George Lucas or saying his movie was only good because it was well edited. You know what also would have sunk Star Wars? A bad soundtrack. Or a bad cast.
Yeah that video (Star Wars was saved in the edit) is really bad, filled with misinformation and misrepresentation. EVERY film is both constructed (put together) and “saved” in the edit, but that doesn’t mean Lucas (and by this logic, every other director), had no vision or idea what he was doing; he absolutely did and his vision made Star Wars happen in the first place.
Man wanted to leave, so he did. Let him stay gone. He probably has better things to do than get screamed at by people who don't like the things he makes.
Dave Filoni learned what Star Wars and the Force truly were from George Lucas, so that's not exactly true, Doug! George Lucas was way more involved than you make it seem!
Problem being that Dave ended up inheriting some of Georges problems as a result. We do need someone with the creativity of George Lucas, but also someone with the rationality of his ex-wife.
People are ignoring that Lucas didn't like the EU except what was on screen and that's why Clone Wars broke so much lore for the time. If you want Star Wars put on a good direction, give more power to the real people who've been steering the EU and new Canon's books and comics. Leland Chee, Daniel Wallace, and the authors who go to insane lengths not just to work together to maintain continuity, but who have worked EU lore back into new canon in creative ways. It's the same people writing new books as the old, but too many people act like Disney just came in and killed the old authors. What we need is more communication/control between the live action series' heads and the storytellers we already grew up with who are still handling the books and comics.
@jkx107 People involved in the EU understand what the star wars tone is. so many of the old video games and books really felt exactly like the original star wars. nothing else does, not the prequels or sequels or any disney shows
Those same people also aren't aware of how awful things got in the EU before Disney took over. Legacy of the Force is still worse than anything Disney has produced.
Few things of note: ● The Sequels were trash because they were rushed. Disney dropped a huge fortune to get the rights, so they needed to make their money back as quickly as possible. It's why the ST feels so disjointed. There is no through line in the narrative across all 3 films, even to the point of contradicting each other. There was no one unifying vision holding the ST films together, unlike the PT and OT. It wasn't until Mando came out that Disney realized that that a consistent narrative is what works. But then shit the bed by throwing everything into streaming without streamlining the story processes. ● Lucas operated on the Rule of Cool. He famously said "In my universe, space has oxygen. But only when I want it to", so this mindset can and will bite back. He also famously hated the expanded universe, likening it to a sand box of his creation to allow other people to play in to create stories he felt where too small or inconsequential to the main stories. But its through those EU stories that the fan base rooted itself in. The books, comics, and games all helped to keep Star Wars relevant in nerd culture. So when the PT came along that not only undid many key plot points of old EU books (Namely The Thrawn Trilogy) and portrayed the Old Republic in a different way than previously imagined, many felt that Lucas was out of touch with his own creation., ● Many of the new D+ shows share this disjointedness because while the show runners have an overall narrative through line, its still not consistent with the overarching story. As a result, you get tonal whiplash. While LucasFilm finally put Filloni as head of the story group, this was too little too late as by then all the current shows were already greenlit and in development, with the story group only able to provide support. The newer now have the benefit of of a dedicated story group and allow for more time in between releases to really let things flow naturally instead of trying to shore up a failing streaming platform. ● The twins being fatherless is meant to show that their creation was done with intent, where as Anakin was from the force itself without any 3rd party involvement. Even in the EU, Anakin was the result of Palapatine and his master messing around with the force so much that the force itself responded by knocking up some random slave on a backwater planet just to balance things out. Even within both the EU and Canon, nobody took the Prophesy of The Chosen One seriously within the Jedi except for a small few. One of those just happened to be Qui-Gon. It's odd to have a dislike for the PT but use a minor plot point from them as a confusion around the twins birth. In both cases, its left purely up to ambiguity.
I sure do miss George Lucas ❤ His vision, flaws included, was always true to the Star Wars story and the direction it needed to go. Star Wars hasn't been the same without you! 💔
I only really like the first 6 movies. The clone wars cartoons were good too, but I put them under the 6 movies. Since the first 6 are some of my favorite movies (Episode 2 is my personal favorite, but I think episode 4 is the best), part of me thinks that he could make another good movie or show.
@@francunsulo9756 Because in the last few years, toxic fandom has coalesed around this idea that the EU books/games represented Lucas' vision and removing them from canon was the ultimate sin. Even though Lucas was open about not seeing those stories as his Star Wars, even if he pulled references/ideas from them in TCW. And even then, stuff like the Nighsisters or Clone upbringings got a lot of flack when the cartoon was on TV.
This is a cool deep dive. George Lucas is definitely getting older and deserves some peace and a chance to be with his family again. Certainly though I want to see some different ideas in Star Wars. There’s a lot I don’t agree with here but I do like how you dig into your critic character and how you think it’s fun to explore a different side of yourself like that. I also think that you do make a good point about saying that he could be an advisor this time around. I wouldn’t say it’s a perfect solution but I would say it’s an interesting idea. However first and foremost I want George Lucas to do what he wants and if that’s being with his family, then so be it. I’m definitely a prequel fan but in some ways I understand why you’re not and I strongly support how you commit to your work.
Watching the Prequels and the Sequels really highlights where the strengths of the OT came from. Lucas has grand ideas and a great imagination, but did not do well directing actors and couldn't structure those ideas well. The ST directors did a decent enough job directing the actors and making everything look nice, but had close to no idea how the world worked and either bad ideas or none at all.
"But it would have been his vision!" People hated him for his vision. He didn't leave because of the money, seeing as he donated most of that to charity. He simply wanted to get away from the fans.. "He was consistent" at changing his own lore every time a new project came out with his name on it. People clearly don't remember the big stink that was made about the Special Editions alone. "Kathleen Kennedy and Disney ruined it!" Kathleen's only role in Star Wars is overseeing productions as its producer. She was also handpicked by Lucas himself as someone who had worked with him on those movies. Disney also has no creative input in the creation of any Star Wars products. All they have are the money to fund the projects and the copyrights owning the brand. Their business with the IP begins and ends there. "The EU was so much better! They shouldn't have thrown it away!" People were singing a completely different tune when the EU was still a thing and it was rife with far more issues than Disney, mainly the canon nonsense that permeated it across all media. If you have to classify works by "levels of canon" any time something new comes out, then there's something seriously wrong with your story. And you had better hope that if Lucas got involved, he'd actually bother to consider what it is you wrote either made it in his stuff and not just toss it out and say it's not canon, which was almost all the time.
This is completely false as Lucas said in an interview he felt old, he had a daugther and he didn't saw himself doing star wars at his 70, he wanted someone someone that continued it because the history was bigger than him, however he was betrayed by Kenedy and disney started producing garbage.
@@Nunubotz2 Betrayed by...continuing the brand? "Disney started producing garbage" Weird considering that's what people said Lucas himself was doing when he was in charge, and that's not even getting into the EU nonsense other people were making. But hey, who cares about history, right?
I'll ignore the first 3 takes because I either agree or have not enough info to comment on them. But point 4? Nah, I have never heard a single person complain about EU. I mean - of course there are always people that find something to complain about in everything, I am not saying there weren't people that did. But they were such an insignificant minority they are not worth mentioning. Also the cool thing about EU is that - if you didn't like anything in it, you could have just ignored it. It's basically a choose your own adventure universe
Filoni and Kennedy was supposed to be a Walt (creative mind) and Kennedy as a Roy (business mind) to replace Lucas and it has been a disaster. We need an Eisner now
Lucas isn't coming back, and that's his revenge. All the people who ruthlessly trashed his prequel trilogy will have to eat their words and suffer with Disney Star Wars.
I agree with Doug’s assessment near the end of the video. 🧐 The biggest problem with Star Wars projects now is that there are just too many of them, being made too fast, and in the hands of too many different artists with radically different ideas and styles. This is what has caused Star Wars to feel less like the vision of an artist, or even a small group of artists, and more like a franchise owned by a company that just anyone can do anything with. Star Wars isn’t Minecraft, or Disney’s House Of Mouse, or The Amazing World Of Gumball. You can’t just keep adding whatever too it!
No, George made his choice when he sold Lucasfilm to Disney. He has to live with it. Besides, his mind was already deteriorating by 2012, what with him suggesting Vader's apprentice in Force Unleashed go by "Darth Icky", wanting Maul to be friends with a not-yet-born Sith Lord in the scrapped Clone Wars-era game, or basing his Sequels scripts off Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. The only mistake he made was selling his IPs to the wrong company.
2 things are true here. 1. Disney is pumping out too much star wars and it needs to slow down. 2. The whole new era of star wars was kicked off by a Director/Writer/Producer who is a master at killing story arcs, JJ Abrams. He's a talented director and even a solid writer for one off films but should never be given a franchise/series ever again. He botched the landing on star trek, had no clear vision on star wars and abandoned everything he set up. He's just bad at making story arcs and now all of Lucasfilm has that as the basis of the new era of star wars. Slow down, regroup, keep Filloni as creative director, and let him do his thing
Didn't Doug find 11 GOOD things about the PT? And describe it and the ST as "a man had a story he wanted to tell" and "a corporation had a product they wanted to sell"?
I disagree with the prequels being bad. They had elements that were bad. Honestly I'd say largely the script/dialogue. A few nitpicky explanation's of the world. Still the stories in them were solid, and ultimately the way they expanded the Star Wars universe was excellent. I know a lot of people didn't like the sleeker designs of the prequels. I know people hate the over use of CGI. Mind you I do see the CGI thing as being a product of the times, CGI was being pushed really hard in the film industry and it was all about trying to be ground breaking with it. Although like others I think they should've balanced out some more practical effects to make the world more believable. Again getting back on point... the prequels tell a good story. There is an overarching story that connects all three and it feels important to the original Star Wars films. It shows us what the universe used to be like, it shows us who Anakin was, it shows that path to he Dark Side. It actually went there as a film and honestly they nailed that. That could've been so fundamentally fumbled. By comparison the Sequel Trilogy is full of all the stuff fans wanted. Practical effects, that dirty kind of dirty gritty space ships, better dialogue.... but the stories are ... dumb. There is no story within those three films that feels like it really matters. Largely because the story arc is a retread of the originals, and we didn't see anything meaningful come from old characters. Honestly most those old characters were so poorly utilized in the films. In most cases they were sent off in the worst way possible. The new characters were fumbled.... the story was very clearly not planned. There is a surprising amount of action in these films, but none of it feels like it matters, or it feels like it's all just there to distract you from how bad the stories actually are. In the end I actually get the itch to rewatch the prequel films. In contrast I have zero interest in rewatching the sequel films. I think I rewatched the Force Awakens maybe two times, but between both The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker... I have no interest in ever watching them again. Honestly they were bad enough that I have lost all interest in Star Wars media. I kind of was hoping that the Obi-wan series was going to be good, but seeing how they made it look so cheap, and again, poorly thought out dragged out story.... I ended up skipping it.
Lucas would make a villain named Glorrb and try to pass him off as intimidating, and every scene he's in a bantha walks by. Disney would take Glorrb and try to make him misunderstood and blame the Jedi for him being a villain. The whole thing about "only EA can make Star Wars games" expiring, do that but for the movies. Give the reins to somebody else.
Lucas is a visionary before a director. Being a realist is understandable, but Lucas’s ideas are what made Star Wars what it is today; while also making it an immersive world we know so much about. I don’t think it’s appropriate to half step George’s vision/ideas for Star Wars or sell him short in any way. The sequel trilogy has no direction from start to finish, & barely expands the world building. So Again, George is a visionary before a director.
@@RancorSnp As much as people may like him doesn't take away the anger people had and rightfully so, he wasn't just content with making his newer movies were poorly written with a bunch of CGI but making sure we couldn't even enjoy his old work by gate keeping the originals. Sure we have our issues but it can't be denied we've also gotten a lot of good. Rouge One, Andor, The Mandalorian, The Bad Batch, Rebels, the final season of The Clone Wars, Asoka. The mouse has given us a lot of good sure some crap but Lukas himself gave us crap like the Ewok series
@@chasehedges6775 Elements of his original films were still in the sequels. Including the idea of Luke becoming a hermit on an island to prevent the Jedi way from being taught further. But again, Lucas' story involved a deeper exploration of midi-chlorians and Darth Maul returning as a villain with Darth Talon as an apprentice. You really think the lore gatekeepers and prequel haters would have let that slide?
@@chasehedges6775 But still what? "I get to have ALL THE MONEY and all these whiny fanboys will be someone else's headache? That's a win-win." -George Lucas' thought process, probably.
Part of what made the original trilogy so great, was the undeniable inspiration Lucas pulled from Flash Gordon, samurai films, and World War II films. I feel like the trap most new Star Wars content falls into, is pulling that inspiration from Star Wars itself. I get that some level of that is unavoidable. What I loved about the Mandalorian’s first season though, is that it felt like a space western. And Andor would be a good espionage show, even if it weren’t set in the Star Wars universe. The benefit of bringing Lucas back, is that he wouldn’t be focused on exciting audiences with pulling their favorite toys, out of the toybox. But he’s clearly the kind of artist, that needs a handful of other artists to focus his ideas. I say bring him back, and see what happens.
@@LaEMars Exactly. Yeah, Disney Star Wars has been a mess overall, but it’s not a total failure. Rogue One and Andor are the best Star Wars projects since 1980. I’ll always have love and respect for Lucas for what he accomplished, but he was clearly past his prime by the prequels. His stubborn insistence on writing and directing all three mortally wounded the trilogy. Why would anyone think a man who’s 80 is capable of injecting energy and enthusiasm back into Star Wars? Didn’t anyone watch the debates?
@@LaEMarsa part of me says yes because of Disney being scumy at times in general but at the same time jar jar and his uncomfortable type of humor that only really really young kids would think is funny.😅👍🏻🤔🤨🧐😑
Yeah, a middle ground would have been the best course of action early on. While Lucas hasn't been on his A game for quite some time, I still think he has some solid ideas and he just needs someone to help make it presentable. If Disney were to do that and have a single director work with Lucas I think we might of had something decent. As for the current state of Star Wars, with some course correction Disney might have something. While I know the High Republic era has been a bit divisive, having a separate era away from the Skywalker Saga is the way to go. As Doug stated some people view the Original Trilogy as sacred text, so the best way to not step on anyone's toes is to have Disney's Star Wars be set in an Era with a major gap from the original, be it the past or future. That way there can be stories told that won't be tied to the originals, like the Old Republic era. I'm not too sure it'll happen as Disney is afraid to try something new, but if they wanna try and salvage, making a new era from the ground up may be the best option
@@BLasherman Elaborate. What positive qualities do the sequels have? Episode 3 and the duel of fates in Episode 1 alone are better than anything Disney has made outside of the last 45 minutes of Rogue One.
@@ABurntMuffinsorry, to chime in, but I prefer the Sequel trilogy's light sabre combat more than the Prequel's. Also, Adam Driver was the best actor in the Sequel trilogy, outshining everyone by a mile.
I don't believe in the concept of super hero/star wars fatigue, is just that fans want good stories, and we are not getting them the 90% of the times, I think for example the last superhero movie that we got and everyone loved was Guardians 3 as for Star Wars it was probably the Mandalorian, that's quite a long time without good stories
Honestly i feel sad you still hating with passion the prequels, because even you made a video about the good things there but theres also this unique way to tell a story as a shaksperean tragedy but also their own way. And you constantly say anakin transition is out of nowhere when WE ACTUALLY SEE WHY HE BECOMED BAD, because he wanted to save the love of his life, and the whole movie we see his fear of loosong her makes him mad. And other concepts that you miss cause you get distracted by jar jar, wich is fair but it kind of feels you want to hate them…. But then again, their problems make me understand you. And also i think george coming back brings them this unique perspective and storytelling.
The problem with the Prequels is not the story, but the execution. Episode II tries to sell us the romance between the two main characters - it doesn't work (the dialogue and the lack of chemistry doesn't help) Episode III tries to sell us the main character's fall to the darkness - It doesn't work (the transition is too fast in such a short amount of time)
@@RabbitShirak i didnt feel annakins transition fast, because the whole movie showed him fearing on loosing padme, getting angry at the council, and loosing control in his emotions. Him cutting windu’s arm happens at his breaking point.
@@angrypenguinreviews2798 and immediately after swearing loyalty to Palpatine he goes to chop down some children? You, you just can't make a conflicted character first wondering where his loyalties lie and how he has to save his PREGNANT wife to go immediately commit killing children. That's just poor writing.
To everyone who hated the lightwhip: That wasn't invented for the Acolyte, or even for the High Republic. It debuted as the weapon of Githany in the Darth Bane Trilogy (2006-2009)
The prequels aren’t bad, by the way. The audience they were primarily made for loved them, and they’re also great on rewatch. Its flaws are more incidental- certain comic relief moments not working (though honestly they worked fine for the children watching them). Prequel hate is a generational thing and I’m glad that people are coming to appreciate them more. When they tried to “redeem” Star Wars from the prequels, we got The Force Awakens, which fans also hate. If you rewatch them I think you’ll find they’re good movies (in execution as well as conceptually) more often than not
@@Dark-kz2bq Yes. But honestly, Lucas picking you instead of Kennedy would have been a better idea, and I don't know if you make shit movies or not. Then again, I'm assuming you aren't married to the guy who provides financing for the movies, so you don't get a free job of your husband's buddies and might not have been in with a shout for that role.
What the heck are you talking about? The prequels were all good. I'm tired of people bashing them simply because it's the popular thing to do. Are they perfect? Maybe not but that doesn't make them terrible
Without George Lucas, this franchise wouldn't have existed. He was the heart and soul of what made Star Wars unique when it first came out. Before anyone jumps the gun and says, George Lucas wasn't the only one who made the older movies great! Yes, he wasn't the only one who helped make the Original Trilogy great. Or the only one who made the Prequel Trilogy as interesting (Without trying to offend any die-hard Prequel fanboys. Or give Original Trilogy purists any leeway) as they are. However, he was one of the sole writers. Who came up with the ideas of the Star Wars franchise. Brought about even if it wasn't entirely on his own efforts. Revolutionary effects to the film industry. That changed how Hollywood made movies. With both Trilogies when they were new in THEATERS! Most importantly he made them with the wants and desires of making good movies. Or at least movies that he was artistically pleased with and wanted to share with others his creations. Ever since he sold Star Wars to (All thanks to Original Trilogy purists by the way.) Disney. The only creator of any modern-day Star Wars that comes even close to what George Lucas accomplished. Was John Favreau or Dave Filoni. Yet that is also still a bit of a stretch of credibility to be honest.
@@kaihedgie1747 I wish, but I don’t watch Star Wars theory. Plus, if you actually read my comment. I even said George Lucas isn’t the only person who Star Wars what it was.
Star Wars was considered as a fine wine once, to be regarded with a lot of thought, and imagination, but now a days it is treated like a cheap Malt Liquor.
Honestly speaking I think they were more mocking fans perception of KK rather than KK herself 😂 I mean why else would they use Cartman the biggest POS of all time?
@@htruman at times but I think that it's more them making fun of fans for having such an over the top visceral opinion on this particular person......also them making fun of Lucas and Spielberg by dragging them through the mud over Crystal Skull....
@@htruman hahaha 😂😂 now with newly enhanced effects for 2002 lol we also change the word nasi to person's with political differences and the natives are ewoks now lol 😆 also the word Arab has been changed to "person of middle eastern decent" the "Cairo Swordsman" has been changed to a white guy to not offend the persons of middle eastern decent lol 😆 we also added a few new scenes like Indy firing his gun in self defense at the Swordsman because we didn't want him to look like a cold blooded killer 😂
The problem goes beyond Kathleen Kennedy. The real problem at Disney is called: Dana Walden. She's the one responsible for changing Disney's DEI policy into philosophy. Any show has to be approved by her office. She's the one truly responsible for having Lucasfilm and Marvel Studios go down the drain. As long as Walden keeps calling the shots, you can put George Lucas or whomever you want back on the driver's seat at Lucasfilm, and it won't make any difference.
The special creation thing is what bothered me the most about Acolyte. Agreed that its not usually an interesting storytelling mechanic, but the whole point was that it *wasn't* possible to do. Darth Plagueis *tried* to create life, but even with his mastery of the Force, could never do it. Instead, the Force decided to create Anakin of its own volition as a unique event. That's what's cool about the Force -- its not just the same tired magic-wielder trope, but rather, its a "being" on its own in a way that nobody has total mastery or control over.
However, we don't know if that's the case in Disney canon. That only applies to Legends canon and you can't use Legends canon to discredit a plot point from something in Disney canon.
@@dearcastiel4667 the prequels were awful. Midiclorians ? Casting of Jake Lloyd ? Friggin Jar Jar ? Script basically being Anakin hits buttons at random until he saves the galaxy ? All the government stuff ? And all that's just Phantom Menace !!! The only GOOD thing he gave us in those 3 films was Darth Maul and he killed him off !!! Force Awakens was nostalgia porn admittedly, but it was better than that entire prequel trilogy combined
Lucas should be a creative consultant and work on a movie about Knights of the Old Republic. It wouldn’t matter to me which characters he uses as long as the villain is either Darth Bane, Nihilus, Malgus, or Revan.
Do you think George Lucas should come back to Star Wars?
We need to make Star Wars great again and George Lucas actually knows what the f*** he's talking about where Disney does not play think by pretending to care and faking diversity is somehow inclusive is not Star Wars was actually inclusive if you actually watch the original show or even films before Disney
I would love him too, especially since I really liked Clone Wars, but he's said multiple times that he's done! If he wasn't, he wouldn't have sold the rights to Disney!
He's too old, and he doesn't even understand his own franchise (he thought Star Wars only appeals to boys, so he made Strange Magic)
Honestly, yeah. Don't think he will. Don't think he wants to touch what star wars became, it would be too much pressure on him to fix what disney messed up. The entire sequel trilogy would need to be retconned or simply de-canonized for many fans to get interest back.
I sure as hell didn't watch the original movie rooting for Luke for him to become a burned out hermit at the end of his journey. He was suppose to rebuild the Jedi order... Han and Leia suppose to have a happy life together not being dragged apart. No I can't I don't think this damage can be fixed
At this point, considering everyone in Hollywood is being allowed to touch the franchise, I don't see the problem in giving him a chance. If his contributions help, fantastic. If not, they can just kick him out again.
R.I.P James Earl Jones
Rest In Peace To The Best Voice Actor Ever 😢
He is gone, but he will never be forgotten.May he rest in peace
He’ll always be remembered
One of the greatest and legendary actors of all time in Cinema history.
he’s one with the Force.
We’ll miss you James. 🕊️
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I’m with Doug in terms of the middle ground.
Lucas has ideas, but he shouldn’t be the one to execute them.
Let him be the guide, but don’t give him the wheel.
@tcodes27 Thats exactly what I have always believed. Lucas has great ideas, good stories, great eye for effects, and visuals, but he was not the greatest at executing them.
The makes sense. Just have him maybe craft the story and ideas, then have someone else take over the script amd directing.
It’s not even malicious. People should be given and opportunity to shine with the help of the GOAT veteran of his own baby, his own art
The prequels are misguided.
The sequels are heartless and soulless.
Same, I've always has this opinion. Lucas is an awesome ideas guy, but he needs help from more technical or logical people to execute it in a cohesive and good way. And I mean that in the best way possible -- the whole idea for the Star Wars universe borrows from other things, but in a very original and unique way, and Lucas deserves a lot of credit for that.
I think he should come back in a creative consultant role because he can make a good, coherent story but his problem is that he needs other people to tell him no and to help him fix the ‘wordier’ parts of his scripts.
Agree. Let him work out the general storylines, but let the dialogue be handled by better people... Or at least more interested people.
@@conforzo I mean that’s what happened with the Original Trilogy and the problem with the Prequels lay in the fact that Lucas was surrounded by a bunch of yes-men who refused to argue against his decisions even when he asked.
He already has, he was a consultant on Ashoka and that show did nothing to help unite the fandom
@@Thed538dhsk In all fairness, by that point the rift between the fandom was too big to properly fix.
@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294 so how would having him back now unite the fandom now if it didn't during Ashoka?
Tony Soprano Voice: "Now that Lucas is gone, he's a saint! When he was in charge? NOTHIN'. Y'know, Lucas was tough, ran his own company! Guy like that, and the fans wore. Him. Down to a little nub. He was a squeaky little gerbil when he sold Lucasfilm!"
It’s a very difficult situation
@@samfilmkid haha that’s a great point. “Quite a formidable fan presence”
One reason I remember the prequel-era fondly despite disliking the movies is because Lucas was good at licensing out the ip to PHENOMENAL artists, espcially with the videogames. In the 2000s there was a great star wars game for basically any genre despite there being some bad games in the mix. Kotor, battlefront 2, shadows of the empire, the Jedi Knight/Dark Forces series, Star Wars Galaxies, Empire at War, Bounty Hunter, Rogue Squadron series. The list goes on and on.
People who want Lucas back I think commonly forget to mention something major...does Lucas WANT to come back to star wars? He sold it for a reason. He no longer has to deal with everyone being mad at him. He still goes to star wars events like Star Wars Celebration but he no longer has to take any blame. I think he's happy making films no one except his friends and family will watch with his $4 billion
@@Thed538dhsk He hasn't been to Star Wars Celebration since 2017 and that was mainly for the 40th Anniversary. Likewise to celebrate the life of Carrie Fisher. He also donated the money from the sale to philanthropic causes.
@@zoetropeguardian wdym? He was paid in stock not directly cash so what philanthropic causes are you talking about?
@@Thed538dhsk It was split 50/50. Education, film preservation, his foundation, housing, and countless other things.
@@zoetropeguardian so why would he WANT to come back then
@@Thed538dhsk He's never said he wanted to come back. If anything he's said just the opposite when he talked about how they discarded his stories for the Sequels and don't understand very basic things. He's happily retired as he's raising his daughter and opening an art museum next year in Los Angeles.
Star Wars deserves a 10 year hiatus.
yes at all cost. the reason why episode VII was a huge event because at the time that was the only star wars movie we got at the moment, yes we have stuff like the clone wars or some games but they weren't mainstream enought to have an entire audience, so yes it was an event because we weren't oversaturated with star wars
No can't really do that anymore with a streak that bad it'll just spend those 10 years still getting roasted. The freezing only works when you in the middle and exit on a high.
Nah so the actors/characters die?
I guess you could recast them but that's kind of the problem with star wars it's continuity it's really really rigid, and can't really fit many new stuff unless is far beyond in the future or far back in the past
@@jorgerincon6874 Those actors aren't the only stories that exist in a Galaxy far far away. Let there be more stories and let The ones that came before take a damn break. They don't DESERVE constant work.
yep. If you look it was 15 years between ROTJ and TPM then although there was The Clone Wars 10 years between ROTS and TFA
5:03 Lucas was heavily involved in clone wars. Up to, I would think season 5, I believe. But he was heavily involved in that show.
Yeah, that's why a lot of the stuff Filoni and Favreau went on to make without him just hasn't been at the same level of quality. People vastly underestimate how much impact George had on the show's success.
He did make great stories in the Clone Wars Show 90% of the time.
Season 6 was conceived before the transfer too IIRC.
What does "heavily involved" mean, though? He didn't write. He didn't direct. He was an executive producer, which can mean anything from "Gave overall story ideas and was consulted with on major decisions" to "Drunkenly called Dave Filoni in the middle of the night to say, 'THEY SHOULD CALL EACH OTHER FLYGUY AND SNIPS.'"
I honestly want to see George’s 7-9. Even if they aren’t that great they would still be HIS vision.
People hated his vision, that's why he left
@@kaihedgie1747 The more reason he should be back, the Disney vision is worse than Lucas.
@@LuccianoBartolini Lucas's vision made a child a commanding officer of a galaxy-spanning military force, made the Force special germs in your body only some people can have, had an entire elite force of soldiers beaten by small teddy bears armed with sticks and stones, retroactively implied incest between two main characters, and nerfed a potentially terrifying character into near comic relief. How's any of that better than what "Disney" did?
Did he even have a vision for that? I am not saying that he couldn't write a continuation to the original trilogy, but I never got the feeling that he wanted to continue with these characters to begin with.
@@kaihedgie1747and Lucas would've brought maul back and frankly I'm happy with what him and filoni did with him in clone wars and rebels. Having him return as the main villain of a trilogy wouldn't feel right.
I don't think the prequels are that bad, and you know why? Because at least George Lucas had the guts to try and tell a new story set in the Star Wars universe. It might not be the best story, but for a long time the expanded Star Wars universe used a ton of concepts that came from the prequels instead of the original trilogy. The prequels actually make the Star Wars universe bigger. Also, because this was his vision the story might not fly, but the universe doesn't feel disconnected. The prequels had jedi, had aliens, cool lightsaber duels, dog fights in space, they FELT like Star Wars. Disney's main problem is that it's either just trying to tell you the stories we already heard or trying to tell you a story that feel very disconnected from the whole universe. In fact the positive thing about The Acolyte was this: it was trying to tell a different story. It was not about "member Han Solo?", or "member the Death Star?", and yes there was this here and there because Disney makes it mandatory, it seems, to appeal to nostalgia. The problem is that not only the story was boring and very badly written, it never feels like you're watching a Star Wars story. It feels like something trying to copy Star Wars instead, like the dumb Rebel Moon series from Zack Snyder. But a show like Asohka, for example...it's basically all about "remember when Anakin became Darth Vader", and so on. Also, people should have learned from Rian Johnson that trying to make Star Wars this morally grey story is not gonna fly. You're not gonna turn Star Wars into Game of Thrones. It's a simple story: there's the dark side and there is the light side. Dark side is evil, light side is good. It's really not that hard, and when people try to make these relativistic approaches to the story like "look, the Jedi might be kind of assholes" it doesn't ring true to the overall theme.
And as for the people in the comments saying it's the fans fault...f*ck off. The fans have hated on the prequels for over two decades and NO ONE ever said the fan base was ruining Star Wars because of it, not then and not now. But NOW, now that Disney owns it and is trying to make scape goats for what basically ammounts to bad writing and lack of creativity...oh, NOW the fans are ruining it? Get a grip. Fans have every right to love or hate the creative paths the stories they love are taking, and most of what Disney came out with for Star Wars so far is either bad or passable. The book of Boba Fett? The Acolyte? Asohka? Obi-Wan? Those were not good, and that's why instead of the pop culture mark that Star Wars used to be, the new generation regards it as a crappy TV Show. Fans have every right to be upset about it and yes, even hate on it. It was never a problem for the prequels and you're not gonna make it a problem now.
You gave a better review than Doug could dream of. Well done.
Amen, brother! To every word.
Remember TLJ? That was an original story. And you people HATED IT! you wanna know why Disney won’t give you anything new? THATS why!
@@Shadowkey392 I'm sorry, you're dead wrong. Because BEFORE The Last Jedi Disney made The Force Awakens, and that movie was 100% just a copy and paste of the original Star Wars (episode IV). So Disney has been banking on nostalgia ever since the first minute they acquired the IP. However, I would agree that, like The Acolyte, The Last Jedi tried to tell a different story, and that is its greatest merit. And just like The Acolyte, it tried and it failed, for a number of different reasons: for once, it treats the hero of the original story, Luke Skywalker, with indignity, a trend that became a common place for Hollywood these days, that EVERY hero we had just ended up a sad and pathetic old person. Second, like I've said before, TLJ tried to subvert the Star Wars lore by trying to blurry the clear lines between good and evil that the universe sets up with the jedi and the sith, and as I've said it you're not gonna turn Star Wars into Game of Thrones because "Lannisters in space" doesn't sound true to the overarching theme. The sith are not morally grey, they're evil, and the sith who abandon the dark side are the ones with an arch of redemption, like the jedi who fall to the dark side are because of misguidance. But they're never "kinda with a foot on each side of the fence", they're either becoming evil or trying to make their way back to the light. Darth Vader was not "oh yeah, that guy who's sometimes kind of an asshole". I do agree that stories like GOT are interesting because it makes for more complex characters, but that's NOT how the Star Wars universe works. And not only that, I would give Rian Johnson extra points if the movie had at least had the guts to stick to its guns and ended up with a crazy twist, like Rey becoming the villain and Kylo Ren becoming the hero, to show that the jedi are just as capable of evil as the sith are for good, but it doesn't even do that, it just runs back to "jedi good, sith evil" after a ton of preaching how that was bullshit. So don't give us this bs that Disney won't try anything new because the fans don't want anything original; Disney doesn't do it because they've proved with SW, with Marvel and even with their own IP that they are so creatively bankrupt that the only way they can think of how to make money is to try and appeal for your memories of a time when they weren't. The fans want new, but it's not JUST about being new, it's about being true to the themes, it's about treating with dignity a lore that they love and improving on what came before. This attitude of "forget your story, here's a BETTER story" just pisses of the fanbase because they don't want Hollywood to toss aside a universe they hold dear because they think you should just like this new one they're giving you. The fans want a story that shows them it loves its origins just as much as they do. That's why Deadpool & Wolverine works! And frankly, it's not a tall order.
@@vitorfrota940 yup
You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me.-George Lucas
I thought that was Thanos.
Here's the thing: George Lucas sold his franchise and has no interest in returning BECAUSE he dealt with angry fans/harassment across the 2000s. And even if George did his own Episode 7-9, we'd find endless reasons to complain about them too. So him returning for anything wouldn't be the deus ex salvation people think it is - if anything, fans are just running from the revelation that WE kicked Lucas out and want to wipe our hands of accountability.
And if you don't believe me, look back at the old Force Awakens reactions. Nearly everyone was celebrating how it felt like classic Star Wars and wasn't anything like the prequels. That WAS the mood of 2015-2018.
I’d say it was happening even before the 2000’s the amount of toxicity that came out from the OT remasters was just as bad best example being the Han shot first argument
This right here.
@@minidwarf4266 What made the original trilogy great is that Lucas had help, people were telling him what would work and what didn't. With the prequels he had way too much control and no one was arguing with him. So there needs to be a balance of when and when not to listen to Lucas, because Starwars can be very difficult to make.
@@orangeslash1667 literally people got mad when he rereleased them to better fit his image wdym???
@@minidwarf4266 OK????
As a staunch defender of George & the prequels I remember back in 2013 when DIsney first bought Star Wars the hate for George Lucas and the prequels went even more astronomical levels not seen since the Plinkett reviews.
My only response to the people who changed their tune now is this is the Hell you chose and there is no going back...
No. Let the dude enjoy his 4-billion-dollar retirement and however much time he's got left WITHOUT worrying about Star Wars fans breathing down his neck. He seems happier without that.
I totally agree w/ you on this, but they need to stop w/ Star Wars anything at this point, or at least take a VERY long break. The fandom is beyond toxic over the dumbest stuff & when we try to move forward, they go & stop it when there’s insane backlash. I’m just over the IP that much. But i know that’s probably impossible to ask given its revenue or whatever. So guess we’ll just have to chug along on this annoying point in the fandom….😞
I just want someone that knows the magic of Star Wars and tries to tell a good story and not pander to anybody
@@kingxenomorph4702 Tony Gilroy!
@@williamcrow9713 the man behind rogue one and andor, yeah he would be good
Dave Filoni somewhat is this. TCW and Rebels are great, and even Ahsoka has some redeemable moments.
The problem is that, to many people out there, the simple act of including a diverse person into Star Wars automatically counts as "pandering" to them.
@@bowmaj8666 no it’s reaction to bad story or gameplay, and the reaction from writers or actors to the bad reviews that the project failed due to some other nonsense
Why? So people can be pissed off at him again.
He'd only write and direct more bad movies again like he did with the prequels.
@@JasonRasmussen The worst thing in the worst of the prequels is still a masterpiece compared to the best of the best Disney garbage. If we got movies on the level of quality of the prequels I'd be the happiest person in the world. I have not interacted with a Star Wars property since episode 7 - and that's supposedly the "good one"
@@RancorSnp One piece of garbage is a bit less stinky than the other.
@@JasonRasmussen What made the original trilogy great is that Lucas had help, people were telling him what would work and what didn't. With the prequels he had way too much control and no one was arguing with him. So there needs to be a balance of when and when not to listen to Lucas, because Starwars can be very difficult to make.
@@orangeslash1667 I know.
I have major Star Wars fatigue right now.
Don't we all.
I think a hiatus would be very much needed now.
Disney killed all of the love people had for Star Wars. But if you go back to the good old extended universe, or even the movies - you can relieve that time you actually liked star wars
@@RancorSnp Lucas did that with the prequels, which is why fans rallied for him to sell to Disney. But how quickly we forget history.
@@JasonRasmussen I was never one of that fans. There were still MILLIONS of fans for the prequels. Disney's Starwars is looking at thousands of fans, maybe.
maybe to make a one off if he really wants to, but people forget that "fans" HATED him before he sold off the rights. He was a creative, and honestly it's best for him to leave the universe to someone else's headache
I mean, they could always hire good writers that understand Star Wars. I don't think Lucas is necessary to the franchise, heck the original novels are a perfect example
The original novels are terrible, written by people who have a 'lady name' they write Barbie and my little pony novels under, because they they tried and failed and realised they couldn't make it as a legitimate author, and write cash-in novels in two weeks where they get paid by the paragraph instead.
Do you honestly not know the difference between a hired shill and a real novelist?
I get you were maybe a child when you read them, and you've got some weird disassociation between stuff you liked as a child because it was something you had a toy of, and actual quality writing.
But if you were an adult when you read them, you're doing the equivalent of saying the guy who wrote the latest McDonalds jingle is on par with the Beatles or Jimi Hendrix or something, and not a failed musician who does shitty work for money now.
@@hybridvigga What the hell? What original novels are you referring to exactly?
@@danjoshdp6257 All of them.
Not a single writer of them writes their own books, they write whatever TV shows, films and toys pay them to pump something out for children as quickly as possible.
It's what people who fail at being an actual author do to make ends meet while they regret how badly their career failed.
You know, like people who go to Hollywood, cant get on a soap opera let alone a red carpet, and end up in porn instead of being the actor they dreamed of.
Just like every Dora the Explorer book, and every My little Pony adventure, they're written by failed authors who have to lower themselves to this to feed themselves now.
They aren't real books. Read real books by professional authors who write their own stuff instead, and see if you don't notice the difference between the two anymore.
Have you read a book that's not a tie in or spin off from something else?
@@hybridvigga Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?
@@hybridvigga I can’t speak for the original trilogy novelizations, but Matthew Stover wrote a truly excellent adaptation of Revenge of the Sith. I already like the film quite a bit, but Stover turned Lucas’ script into the epic, dark, tragedy Lucas was going for. It’s up there with the Plagueis novel or the Thrawn trilogy as my favorites.
And many of the other EU novels I’ve read have ranged from decent to quite good. Sure, they’re not high art like Dostoevsky or Dante, but the authors are certainly putting effort into their stories.
I think Star Wars needs VISION again. Lucas had this Vision.
And at this Point I don't care about official new Star Wars Stuff
I rather work on my own Fanfilm
You hated those visions while they were in theaters though.
@@benwasserman8223They never had a vision going into it. All three movies were totally disjointed.
@@Adsper2000 And yet from a production/acting standpoint they were better than most of the prequels. That was everyone’s focus for the longest time.
@@benwasserman8223 Sure, but they were nearly as bad as the prequels on characters, just as bad on plot, and worse on originality and setting. They were generally better on dialogue I guess, though not by much with the Marvelization.
@@Adsper2000 So basically on par with the original films.
What's strange to me about the "Han shot first" scene isn't the changes themselves but that George saw to it to focus in so intently on this one scene and change it not once but 4 times.
George Lucas didn't ruin Star Wars. The fans ruined Star Wars for hating on certain aspects of Star Wars. There were people who would hate and bully certain people because they didn't match their exceptions or found them annoying. Jake Lloyd quit acting because of the backlash he received for his portrayal as Anakin Skywalker, of which he wasn't even that bad, and had developed mental problems due to the hatred, and Ahmed Best had thought of unaliving himself due to people hating his portrayal of Jar Jar Binks, and again, it wasn't that bad.
They ruined reputations, sure, but the problems in the prequels don’t work. They did not work, period. None of it worked and the reputation that it has clearly shows it. Trying to find new appreciation doesn’t always work just because the new stuff didn’t work. Even then, there are new good things that basically show how much the prequels do not work.
@thefirstbourne149 And of course, there's going to be someone who just hates the Prequels. The Prequels are not terrible films. Some say that they have aspects that are just as good, if not better, than the Original Trilogy. And besides, the one thing that the Prequels had that Sequel Trilogy did not was a cohesive story. The Prequels were directed by one person; George Lucas. He had a vision, and he did his best to make those three movies into a reality. The Sequel Trilogy did not have that type of focus, as Episode VII and IX were directed by JJ Abrams, while Episode VIII was directed by Rian Johnson. And because both directors had different methods on how to direct a film, it results in all three films suffering. And unlike the Prequel Trilogy, the Sequel Trilogy was made to spread a message instead of telling a cohesive story. Like, when they brought back Palpatine with no build up for his return, or how Finn's role was mitigated as the films continued, or how they ruined Luke Skywalker's character, just to name a few examples.
Disagree. The characters WERE terrible, but it's not the actor's faults and they shouldn't have to put up with all that crazy person shit they had. The characters, and the films they were in, DO deserve to be hated, but all of that is on Lucas.
But people also shouldn't pretend the prequels weren't 100% awful just because they get angry about John Boyega being black, either. Not saying that's what you're doing, but people like that combined with the low quality of Star Wars these days, combined, is what's already killed it.
Didn't Lloyd's mother say that the backlash had nothing to do with his mental decline?
And then comes the inevitable defense of "Well I had no problem with the actors but..." Except as we've seen in the past couple decades up to now, people never separate actors from characters and these same people refuse to take responsibility or self-reflect. It's always "someone/something else's problem"
The people who were hating the actor of Jar Jar Binks and hating the actor of young Anakin, deserved the shitty Sequel Trilogy...
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I didnt hate those actors i dont think i should pay for what they did though
Agreed. The actors just did their jobs at the end of the day. the characters were the problem.
@@tyrael303no, the characters nor the actors playing them were not the problem. Fans not getting what they expected/wanted was the problem.
I personally didn't hate Jake Lloyd or Ahmed Bhest. I wasn't a fan of their characters, but I understood that it was a result of the directing choices with no second takes or rewrites. The fact that people were so obsessed with how bad they found the Phantom Menace that they harassed and threatened Jake Lloyd into schizophrenia makes me sick to my stomach and ashamed of us as movie fans.
That's the thing: Lucas is a fantastic storyteller, but a terrible writer.
Terrible is a strong word. That honor goes to Leslye Hedland AKA Harvey Weinstein's former personal assistant.
Ummm…no, he’s a pretty good writer.
But they make for great memes
@@Shadowkey392 *insert prequels dialogue*
@@tylere.8436 "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent", which is also quite relevant here. Being a good writer does not mean writing only good dialogues, which the prequels do have. It is writing stories, characters, situations, conflicts, doing a good worldbuilding, etc... It is Luke throwing away his lightsaber and refusing to serve the emperor "I'm a Jedi like my father before me", instead of defeating the tyrant and becoming the emperor of the galaxy as Kasdan and Kurtz intended.
It’s interesting that Doug still has a very 2000s negative view of the prequels. Not a lot of people are saying they’re masterpieces now but they’ve definitely been given a second look.
They are better than the Holiday Special
@@randyping6036 2 and 3 are, Phantom Menace isn't.
No, people who are racist just pretend they weren't a pile of self indulgent bullshit with poor storytelling, terrible acting and worse dialogue, because the main characters are all white (Mace Windu is a bit part role outside of the animated stuff.)
Anyone with self respect and a clue about the quality of movies, knows both the prequels and sequels (and Jedi) are stinking piles of shit, and the only three star wars movies that aren't truly bad films are Empire, Rogue One and a New Hope.
They were never THAT bad (er....mostly) but most of the "second look" has come from people who decided that they hate the Disney sequels more. So it's not like they've gotten any better, they're just not in last place anymore. Which is funny because before that people hated the special editions. And before that, people were willing to criticize the holy OT, with RotJ generally being considered the "worst" movie. Star Wars fandom is weird.
The prequels sucked, the only reason people pretend they're good now is because the sequels are worse and made by Disney. Remember Jar Jar Binks? The terrible "romance" scenes in episode II and the god awful CG? the terrible acting? Let's not delude ourselves, Star Wars was declining in quality long before Disney got a hold of it, let's not pretend they're suddenly good.
If they brought George back now it would probably be the worst of both. George in control on his own and also disney meddling.
The whole "it was saved in the editing" is furthering the denigration of George Lucas. The editors didn't write it, direct it, cast it, score it, get the special effects done for it, so the "it was saved in the editing" is a cudgel against George that should be set down, and never picked back up.
...Adding the score and special effects is part of the editing/post-production process. Also, George Lucas didn't create the special effects for Star Wars, nor did he score it. You're giving Lucas credit for 2 major factors of Star Wars' success that he didn't actually help with.
And this is the problem. That video was NOT an attack on George Lucas. It was about how important editing is to a movie. But you assumed it was an attack on him.
@@azurefire-91 Editing is that important to any movie. People criticise that video because it makes it seem like something unique to Star Wars.
@@gokbay3057 That's those people's problem then. All I got out of it was "Wow it's amazing how much better the movie is after the edits." It was never about attacking George Lucas or saying his movie was only good because it was well edited.
You know what also would have sunk Star Wars? A bad soundtrack. Or a bad cast.
Yeah that video (Star Wars was saved in the edit) is really bad, filled with misinformation and misrepresentation. EVERY film is both constructed (put together) and “saved” in the edit, but that doesn’t mean Lucas (and by this logic, every other director), had no vision or idea what he was doing; he absolutely did and his vision made Star Wars happen in the first place.
Man wanted to leave, so he did. Let him stay gone. He probably has better things to do than get screamed at by people who don't like the things he makes.
Dave Filoni learned what Star Wars and the Force truly were from George Lucas, so that's not exactly true, Doug! George Lucas was way more involved than you make it seem!
Which is why we should leave it to Dave and Jon! They know what they're doing!
@@kdusel1991 Overall, yeah! I trust them at Lucasfilm more than anyone else!
Problem being that Dave ended up inheriting some of Georges problems as a result.
We do need someone with the creativity of George Lucas, but also someone with the rationality of his ex-wife.
@@kdusel1991Jon Favreau sucked with the Lion King remake though
People are ignoring that Lucas didn't like the EU except what was on screen and that's why Clone Wars broke so much lore for the time. If you want Star Wars put on a good direction, give more power to the real people who've been steering the EU and new Canon's books and comics. Leland Chee, Daniel Wallace, and the authors who go to insane lengths not just to work together to maintain continuity, but who have worked EU lore back into new canon in creative ways.
It's the same people writing new books as the old, but too many people act like Disney just came in and killed the old authors. What we need is more communication/control between the live action series' heads and the storytellers we already grew up with who are still handling the books and comics.
@jkx107 People involved in the EU understand what the star wars tone is. so many of the old video games and books really felt exactly like the original star wars. nothing else does, not the prequels or sequels or any disney shows
Those same people also aren't aware of how awful things got in the EU before Disney took over. Legacy of the Force is still worse than anything Disney has produced.
Few things of note:
● The Sequels were trash because they were rushed. Disney dropped a huge fortune to get the rights, so they needed to make their money back as quickly as possible. It's why the ST feels so disjointed. There is no through line in the narrative across all 3 films, even to the point of contradicting each other. There was no one unifying vision holding the ST films together, unlike the PT and OT. It wasn't until Mando came out that Disney realized that that a consistent narrative is what works. But then shit the bed by throwing everything into streaming without streamlining the story processes.
● Lucas operated on the Rule of Cool. He famously said "In my universe, space has oxygen. But only when I want it to", so this mindset can and will bite back. He also famously hated the expanded universe, likening it to a sand box of his creation to allow other people to play in to create stories he felt where too small or inconsequential to the main stories. But its through those EU stories that the fan base rooted itself in. The books, comics, and games all helped to keep Star Wars relevant in nerd culture. So when the PT came along that not only undid many key plot points of old EU books (Namely The Thrawn Trilogy) and portrayed the Old Republic in a different way than previously imagined, many felt that Lucas was out of touch with his own creation.,
● Many of the new D+ shows share this disjointedness because while the show runners have an overall narrative through line, its still not consistent with the overarching story. As a result, you get tonal whiplash. While LucasFilm finally put Filloni as head of the story group, this was too little too late as by then all the current shows were already greenlit and in development, with the story group only able to provide support. The newer now have the benefit of of a dedicated story group and allow for more time in between releases to really let things flow naturally instead of trying to shore up a failing streaming platform.
● The twins being fatherless is meant to show that their creation was done with intent, where as Anakin was from the force itself without any 3rd party involvement. Even in the EU, Anakin was the result of Palapatine and his master messing around with the force so much that the force itself responded by knocking up some random slave on a backwater planet just to balance things out. Even within both the EU and Canon, nobody took the Prophesy of The Chosen One seriously within the Jedi except for a small few. One of those just happened to be Qui-Gon. It's odd to have a dislike for the PT but use a minor plot point from them as a confusion around the twins birth. In both cases, its left purely up to ambiguity.
Shmi's response ("there was no father") also implied that Anakin's father had abandoned her, or at least that's how I understood it.
I sure do miss George Lucas ❤ His vision, flaws included, was always true to the Star Wars story and the direction it needed to go. Star Wars hasn't been the same without you! 💔
Hey, Episode III is pretty good. Especially after TCW.
Even without the Clone Wars, it’s still good and my favorite Star Wars movie, tbh.
It’s the best of the PT tbh and my personal favorite of the franchise
Worst prequel. In the theater 2/3 through I said I would never watch this again. Still haven't.
@@JasonRasmussen For me, it’s the best
I only really like the first 6 movies. The clone wars cartoons were good too, but I put them under the 6 movies. Since the first 6 are some of my favorite movies (Episode 2 is my personal favorite, but I think episode 4 is the best), part of me thinks that he could make another good movie or show.
YES! I love the prequels, originals, and Clone Wars.
Star Wars needs to move on to a new era, FAR AWAY from the Skywalker saga stuff. That’s honestly the biggest issue I have with Disney stuff
Sooooo true.
Ewoks The Battle For Endor did that and I love it for that
Tha Acolyte did that and people still complained
@@francunsulo9756 Because in the last few years, toxic fandom has coalesed around this idea that the EU books/games represented Lucas' vision and removing them from canon was the ultimate sin. Even though Lucas was open about not seeing those stories as his Star Wars, even if he pulled references/ideas from them in TCW. And even then, stuff like the Nighsisters or Clone upbringings got a lot of flack when the cartoon was on TV.
@@benwasserman8223 so when they say they want good stories, they mean only the stories they already know?
"Perhaps I treated you too harshly." Thanos, Avengers Endgame. 2019.
This is a cool deep dive. George Lucas is definitely getting older and deserves some peace and a chance to be with his family again. Certainly though I want to see some different ideas in Star Wars. There’s a lot I don’t agree with here but I do like how you dig into your critic character and how you think it’s fun to explore a different side of yourself like that. I also think that you do make a good point about saying that he could be an advisor this time around. I wouldn’t say it’s a perfect solution but I would say it’s an interesting idea. However first and foremost I want George Lucas to do what he wants and if that’s being with his family, then so be it. I’m definitely a prequel fan but in some ways I understand why you’re not and I strongly support how you commit to your work.
RIP James Earl Jones
Watching the Prequels and the Sequels really highlights where the strengths of the OT came from.
Lucas has grand ideas and a great imagination, but did not do well directing actors and couldn't structure those ideas well.
The ST directors did a decent enough job directing the actors and making everything look nice, but had close to no idea how the world worked and either bad ideas or none at all.
"But it would have been his vision!" People hated him for his vision. He didn't leave because of the money, seeing as he donated most of that to charity. He simply wanted to get away from the fans..
"He was consistent" at changing his own lore every time a new project came out with his name on it. People clearly don't remember the big stink that was made about the Special Editions alone.
"Kathleen Kennedy and Disney ruined it!" Kathleen's only role in Star Wars is overseeing productions as its producer. She was also handpicked by Lucas himself as someone who had worked with him on those movies. Disney also has no creative input in the creation of any Star Wars products. All they have are the money to fund the projects and the copyrights owning the brand. Their business with the IP begins and ends there.
"The EU was so much better! They shouldn't have thrown it away!" People were singing a completely different tune when the EU was still a thing and it was rife with far more issues than Disney, mainly the canon nonsense that permeated it across all media. If you have to classify works by "levels of canon" any time something new comes out, then there's something seriously wrong with your story. And you had better hope that if Lucas got involved, he'd actually bother to consider what it is you wrote either made it in his stuff and not just toss it out and say it's not canon, which was almost all the time.
This is completely false as Lucas said in an interview he felt old, he had a daugther and he didn't saw himself doing star wars at his 70, he wanted someone someone that continued it because the history was bigger than him, however he was betrayed by Kenedy and disney started producing garbage.
@@Nunubotz2 Betrayed by...continuing the brand?
"Disney started producing garbage" Weird considering that's what people said Lucas himself was doing when he was in charge, and that's not even getting into the EU nonsense other people were making. But hey, who cares about history, right?
I mean atleast whatever he makes its physicly impossible to be worse than the episode 7 8 and 9 that we got.
@@robertharris6092 What do you base that on?
I'll ignore the first 3 takes because I either agree or have not enough info to comment on them. But point 4? Nah, I have never heard a single person complain about EU. I mean - of course there are always people that find something to complain about in everything, I am not saying there weren't people that did. But they were such an insignificant minority they are not worth mentioning. Also the cool thing about EU is that - if you didn't like anything in it, you could have just ignored it. It's basically a choose your own adventure universe
My Star Wars Head canon is Andor, Rogue One, and the original trilogy. Everything else is just background noise.
It might be a little bit too late to save this once awesome franchise 😢
Star Wars died in 1983.
“I have this weird thing where I focus on the characters and stories”
Everybody needs to be this way
Filoni and Kennedy was supposed to be a Walt (creative mind) and Kennedy as a Roy (business mind) to replace Lucas and it has been a disaster. We need an Eisner now
Filoni is part of the problem.
Rest in Power, Peter Renaday and James Earl Jones
Unpopular opinion time: I like the Prequels, and am a Jar Jar fan.
I'm sorry.
Lucas isn't coming back, and that's his revenge. All the people who ruthlessly trashed his prequel trilogy will have to eat their words and suffer with Disney Star Wars.
Star Wars is still going for better or worse. Big or small screen, there’s something for every fan of SW!!!
I agree with Doug’s assessment near the end of the video.
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The biggest problem with Star Wars projects now is that there are just too many of them, being made too fast, and in the hands of too many different artists with radically different ideas and styles.
This is what has caused Star Wars to feel less like the vision of an artist, or even a small group of artists, and more like a franchise owned by a company that just anyone can do anything with.
Star Wars isn’t Minecraft, or Disney’s House Of Mouse, or The Amazing World Of Gumball. You can’t just keep adding whatever too it!
No, George made his choice when he sold Lucasfilm to Disney. He has to live with it. Besides, his mind was already deteriorating by 2012, what with him suggesting Vader's apprentice in Force Unleashed go by "Darth Icky", wanting Maul to be friends with a not-yet-born Sith Lord in the scrapped Clone Wars-era game, or basing his Sequels scripts off Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. The only mistake he made was selling his IPs to the wrong company.
Honestly yeah. I mean Disney already owns marvel. I sometimes wonder if what if Star Wars was sold to universal instead?
True, it sometimes makes me wonder what if Star Wars was bought by Universal Studios instead?
I think George Lucas should come back if he wants to. Not Disney forcing him to do it.
2 things are true here. 1. Disney is pumping out too much star wars and it needs to slow down. 2. The whole new era of star wars was kicked off by a Director/Writer/Producer who is a master at killing story arcs, JJ Abrams. He's a talented director and even a solid writer for one off films but should never be given a franchise/series ever again. He botched the landing on star trek, had no clear vision on star wars and abandoned everything he set up. He's just bad at making story arcs and now all of Lucasfilm has that as the basis of the new era of star wars. Slow down, regroup, keep Filloni as creative director, and let him do his thing
Didn't Doug find 11 GOOD things about the PT? And describe it and the ST as "a man had a story he wanted to tell" and "a corporation had a product they wanted to sell"?
Yeah. Strange isn't he?
George should have sold Star Wars to universal or paramount.
He should have made them Common Use, with a "Star Wars Foundation" that keeps certain canon in line for published works.
Universal: horrid Jurassic Park.
Paramount: horrid Star Trek.
I disagree with the prequels being bad.
They had elements that were bad. Honestly I'd say largely the script/dialogue. A few nitpicky explanation's of the world.
Still the stories in them were solid, and ultimately the way they expanded the Star Wars universe was excellent. I know a lot of people didn't like the sleeker designs of the prequels. I know people hate the over use of CGI.
Mind you I do see the CGI thing as being a product of the times, CGI was being pushed really hard in the film industry and it was all about trying to be ground breaking with it. Although like others I think they should've balanced out some more practical effects to make the world more believable.
Again getting back on point... the prequels tell a good story. There is an overarching story that connects all three and it feels important to the original Star Wars films. It shows us what the universe used to be like, it shows us who Anakin was, it shows that path to he Dark Side. It actually went there as a film and honestly they nailed that. That could've been so fundamentally fumbled.
By comparison the Sequel Trilogy is full of all the stuff fans wanted. Practical effects, that dirty kind of dirty gritty space ships, better dialogue.... but the stories are ... dumb.
There is no story within those three films that feels like it really matters. Largely because the story arc is a retread of the originals, and we didn't see anything meaningful come from old characters. Honestly most those old characters were so poorly utilized in the films. In most cases they were sent off in the worst way possible. The new characters were fumbled.... the story was very clearly not planned. There is a surprising amount of action in these films, but none of it feels like it matters, or it feels like it's all just there to distract you from how bad the stories actually are.
In the end I actually get the itch to rewatch the prequel films. In contrast I have zero interest in rewatching the sequel films. I think I rewatched the Force Awakens maybe two times, but between both The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker... I have no interest in ever watching them again. Honestly they were bad enough that I have lost all interest in Star Wars media. I kind of was hoping that the Obi-wan series was going to be good, but seeing how they made it look so cheap, and again, poorly thought out dragged out story.... I ended up skipping it.
Lucas would make a villain named Glorrb and try to pass him off as intimidating, and every scene he's in a bantha walks by.
Disney would take Glorrb and try to make him misunderstood and blame the Jedi for him being a villain.
The whole thing about "only EA can make Star Wars games" expiring, do that but for the movies. Give the reins to somebody else.
Lucas is a visionary before a director. Being a realist is understandable, but Lucas’s ideas are what made Star Wars what it is today; while also making it an immersive world we know so much about.
I don’t think it’s appropriate to half step George’s vision/ideas for Star Wars or sell him short in any way.
The sequel trilogy has no direction from start to finish, & barely expands the world building.
So Again, George is a visionary before a director.
*screenwriter before Director.
@@GaryTongue-zn5di that makes no sense.
"Make the movies the way Lucas would have wanted." He did and we all hated him for it.
But many also also loved him for it. Far, far, far, far more than whatever slop Disney produces
@@RancorSnp As much as people may like him doesn't take away the anger people had and rightfully so, he wasn't just content with making his newer movies were poorly written with a bunch of CGI but making sure we couldn't even enjoy his old work by gate keeping the originals. Sure we have our issues but it can't be denied we've also gotten a lot of good. Rouge One, Andor, The Mandalorian, The Bad Batch, Rebels, the final season of The Clone Wars, Asoka. The mouse has given us a lot of good sure some crap but Lukas himself gave us crap like the Ewok series
I REALLY like the prequels! And proud! The mind of George Lucas is legendary and genius!
I hate how Disney lied to him just to get their grubby hands on the IP
Sooooo true
Technically it was never binding. And we're being honest, fans didn't want Lucas anywhere near the movies when he sold his IP off.
@@benwasserman8223 Maybe so but still….
@@chasehedges6775 Elements of his original films were still in the sequels. Including the idea of Luke becoming a hermit on an island to prevent the Jedi way from being taught further. But again, Lucas' story involved a deeper exploration of midi-chlorians and Darth Maul returning as a villain with Darth Talon as an apprentice. You really think the lore gatekeepers and prequel haters would have let that slide?
@@chasehedges6775 But still what? "I get to have ALL THE MONEY and all these whiny fanboys will be someone else's headache? That's a win-win." -George Lucas' thought process, probably.
Part of what made the original trilogy so great, was the undeniable inspiration Lucas pulled from Flash Gordon, samurai films, and World War II films. I feel like the trap most new Star Wars content falls into, is pulling that inspiration from Star Wars itself. I get that some level of that is unavoidable. What I loved about the Mandalorian’s first season though, is that it felt like a space western. And Andor would be a good espionage show, even if it weren’t set in the Star Wars universe. The benefit of bringing Lucas back, is that he wouldn’t be focused on exciting audiences with pulling their favorite toys, out of the toybox. But he’s clearly the kind of artist, that needs a handful of other artists to focus his ideas. I say bring him back, and see what happens.
Can't make it any worse
Everyone to George the past ten years: “Perhaps I treated you too harshly.”
Maybe unpopular, but no.
You right, It’s just too late
You rather have people who do a worse job?
@@epictoe7179no, it’s never to late, just make a good product.
@@GoronMerchantSW prequels are worse than anything Disney has done.
@@epictoe7179 agreed.
No. If he did, have him just give the overall outline and someone else writes the dialogue because...sand
Don't forget Anakin killing children twice.
Yes he should! I'd take a thousand Jar Jars before another Disney Star Wars project.
So you would take Jar Jar over Mandalorian, Rogue One and Andor?
@@LaEMars
Exactly. Yeah, Disney Star Wars has been a mess overall, but it’s not a total failure. Rogue One and Andor are the best Star Wars projects since 1980.
I’ll always have love and respect for Lucas for what he accomplished, but he was clearly past his prime by the prequels. His stubborn insistence on writing and directing all three mortally wounded the trilogy.
Why would anyone think a man who’s 80 is capable of injecting energy and enthusiasm back into Star Wars? Didn’t anyone watch the debates?
@@LaEMarsa part of me says yes because of Disney being scumy at times in general but at the same time jar jar and his uncomfortable type of humor that only really really young kids would think is funny.😅👍🏻🤔🤨🧐😑
@@LaEMars Yes, because an abusive parent can be nice once in a blue moon.
I'm guessing you forgot all the hate he got for the Star Wars movies he actually directed
I liked the prequels, sure they had some issues but the people who hated on it so hard deserve this. They were the reason Lucas gave it up.
The Acolyte is the final nail in the coffin for Star Wars.
that was the last jedi
oh boy, I bet we can go deeper in the pit!! Yaahoo!
@@Kokorocodon 💯💯💯
And it deserved every last bit of hatred. It's interesting many people didn't watch the show instead of watched UA-camrs reviews on the show instead.
Yeah, a middle ground would have been the best course of action early on. While Lucas hasn't been on his A game for quite some time, I still think he has some solid ideas and he just needs someone to help make it presentable. If Disney were to do that and have a single director work with Lucas I think we might of had something decent.
As for the current state of Star Wars, with some course correction Disney might have something. While I know the High Republic era has been a bit divisive, having a separate era away from the Skywalker Saga is the way to go. As Doug stated some people view the Original Trilogy as sacred text, so the best way to not step on anyone's toes is to have Disney's Star Wars be set in an Era with a major gap from the original, be it the past or future. That way there can be stories told that won't be tied to the originals, like the Old Republic era. I'm not too sure it'll happen as Disney is afraid to try something new, but if they wanna try and salvage, making a new era from the ground up may be the best option
The prequels are misguided.
The sequels are heartless and soulless.
To be fair they both have their ups and downs
@@albertthepeacock8020 the sequels have absolutely 0 ups, if you disagree then please, enlighten me. What are these ups?
The sequels are Soooooo much better than the Prequels are you high?
@@BLasherman Elaborate. What positive qualities do the sequels have? Episode 3 and the duel of fates in Episode 1 alone are better than anything Disney has made outside of the last 45 minutes of Rogue One.
@@ABurntMuffinsorry, to chime in, but I prefer the Sequel trilogy's light sabre combat more than the Prequel's. Also, Adam Driver was the best actor in the Sequel trilogy, outshining everyone by a mile.
I don't believe in the concept of super hero/star wars fatigue, is just that fans want good stories, and we are not getting them the 90% of the times, I think for example the last superhero movie that we got and everyone loved was Guardians 3 as for Star Wars it was probably the Mandalorian, that's quite a long time without good stories
Honestly i feel sad you still hating with passion the prequels, because even you made a video about the good things there but theres also this unique way to tell a story as a shaksperean tragedy but also their own way. And you constantly say anakin transition is out of nowhere when WE ACTUALLY SEE WHY HE BECOMED BAD, because he wanted to save the love of his life, and the whole movie we see his fear of loosong her makes him mad. And other concepts that you miss cause you get distracted by jar jar, wich is fair but it kind of feels you want to hate them…. But then again, their problems make me understand you.
And also i think george coming back brings them this unique perspective and storytelling.
The problem with the Prequels is not the story, but the execution.
Episode II tries to sell us the romance between the two main characters - it doesn't work (the dialogue and the lack of chemistry doesn't help)
Episode III tries to sell us the main character's fall to the darkness - It doesn't work (the transition is too fast in such a short amount of time)
@@RabbitShirak i didnt feel annakins transition fast, because the whole movie showed him fearing on loosing padme, getting angry at the council, and loosing control in his emotions. Him cutting windu’s arm happens at his breaking point.
@@angrypenguinreviews2798 and immediately after swearing loyalty to Palpatine he goes to chop down some children? You, you just can't make a conflicted character first wondering where his loyalties lie and how he has to save his PREGNANT wife to go immediately commit killing children. That's just poor writing.
To everyone who hated the lightwhip: That wasn't invented for the Acolyte, or even for the High Republic. It debuted as the weapon of Githany in the Darth Bane Trilogy (2006-2009)
No. Just let Star Wars end already. The original trilogy had a satisfying ending. It didn't need anything else before during or after it.
Wrong! The prequels are better than the original star wars, as is Empire and Jedi!
The prequels aren’t bad, by the way. The audience they were primarily made for loved them, and they’re also great on rewatch. Its flaws are more incidental- certain comic relief moments not working (though honestly they worked fine for the children watching them). Prequel hate is a generational thing and I’m glad that people are coming to appreciate them more. When they tried to “redeem” Star Wars from the prequels, we got The Force Awakens, which fans also hate. If you rewatch them I think you’ll find they’re good movies (in execution as well as conceptually) more often than not
isn't he like 90?
Good point😂😂
More like 80.
No, simply for his health. It's these very fans that made him quit in the first place.
Or they could just have Dave Filoni take charge and get rid of Kathleen Kennedy.
we still on the dave filoni will save star wars train?
@@notdevianart7503 honestly I think George should have picked Dave in the first place. Wouldn’t you agree?
@@Dark-kz2bq Yes.
But honestly, Lucas picking you instead of Kennedy would have been a better idea, and I don't know if you make shit movies or not.
Then again, I'm assuming you aren't married to the guy who provides financing for the movies, so you don't get a free job of your husband's buddies and might not have been in with a shout for that role.
Kathleen is the producer of Star Wars, meaning she was also the one who produced the stuff you liked. Dave Filoni is a director, not a producer.
@@notdevianart7503 "If bad, then Kathleen, if Filoni, then good"
What the heck are you talking about? The prequels were all good. I'm tired of people bashing them simply because it's the popular thing to do. Are they perfect? Maybe not but that doesn't make them terrible
Without George Lucas, this franchise wouldn't have existed. He was the heart and soul of what made Star Wars unique when it first came out. Before anyone jumps the gun and says, George Lucas wasn't the only one who made the older movies great! Yes, he wasn't the only one who helped make the Original Trilogy great. Or the only one who made the Prequel Trilogy as interesting (Without trying to offend any die-hard Prequel fanboys. Or give Original Trilogy purists any leeway) as they are. However, he was one of the sole writers. Who came up with the ideas of the Star Wars franchise. Brought about even if it wasn't entirely on his own efforts. Revolutionary effects to the film industry. That changed how Hollywood made movies. With both Trilogies when they were new in THEATERS! Most importantly he made them with the wants and desires of making good movies. Or at least movies that he was artistically pleased with and
wanted to share with others his creations. Ever since he sold Star Wars to (All thanks to Original Trilogy purists by the way.) Disney. The only creator of any modern-day Star Wars that comes even close to what George Lucas accomplished. Was John Favreau or Dave Filoni. Yet that is also still a bit of a stretch of credibility to be honest.
Are you just simply repeating what Star Wars Theory told you to repeat?
@@kaihedgie1747 I wish, but I don’t watch Star Wars theory. Plus, if you actually read my comment. I even said George Lucas isn’t the only person who Star Wars what it was.
The man is 80. Let him relax.
You say that like 80 is so old. 80's the new 40.
It feels weird being this early
So people can gang up on him like they did in the past? Please the poor guy suffered enough
He should have done the sequel trilogy and then signed it over to Disney. If they absolutely HAD to own it.
He did he had a full plot outline
Disney rejected it
Ironically despite not having any ideas of their own
Star Wars was considered as a fine wine once, to be regarded with a lot of thought, and imagination, but now a days it is treated like a cheap Malt Liquor.
The Creators of South Park were more fair to Kethleen Kennedy, were they rip apart George.
Honestly speaking I think they were more mocking fans perception of KK rather than KK herself 😂 I mean why else would they use Cartman the biggest POS of all time?
@@indianaCurtis I thought the epiosde was making fun of diversity in fandom.
@@htruman at times but I think that it's more them making fun of fans for having such an over the top visceral opinion on this particular person......also them making fun of Lucas and Spielberg by dragging them through the mud over Crystal Skull....
@@indianaCurtis And The Raider of the Lost are special edition.
@@htruman hahaha 😂😂 now with newly enhanced effects for 2002 lol we also change the word nasi to person's with political differences and the natives are ewoks now lol 😆 also the word Arab has been changed to "person of middle eastern decent" the "Cairo Swordsman" has been changed to a white guy to not offend the persons of middle eastern decent lol 😆 we also added a few new scenes like Indy firing his gun in self defense at the Swordsman because we didn't want him to look like a cold blooded killer 😂
R.I.P. James Earl Jones 🙏
The problem goes beyond Kathleen Kennedy. The real problem at Disney is called: Dana Walden. She's the one responsible for changing Disney's DEI policy into philosophy. Any show has to be approved by her office. She's the one truly responsible for having Lucasfilm and Marvel Studios go down the drain.
As long as Walden keeps calling the shots, you can put George Lucas or whomever you want back on the driver's seat at Lucasfilm, and it won't make any difference.
The special creation thing is what bothered me the most about Acolyte. Agreed that its not usually an interesting storytelling mechanic, but the whole point was that it *wasn't* possible to do. Darth Plagueis *tried* to create life, but even with his mastery of the Force, could never do it. Instead, the Force decided to create Anakin of its own volition as a unique event. That's what's cool about the Force -- its not just the same tired magic-wielder trope, but rather, its a "being" on its own in a way that nobody has total mastery or control over.
The Force very much represents the Total Consciousness of all of creation. The Divine Intelligence of Cause and Effect.
However, we don't know if that's the case in Disney canon. That only applies to Legends canon and you can't use Legends canon to discredit a plot point from something in Disney canon.
I think he should come back, since he hasn’t directed a movie since I believe the phantom manace?
If George Lucas returns to Star Wars the same way Ridley Scott returned to Alien...... Well....No, thanks.
Personally i think we should just bury it.
"Its belongs in a film museum."
No star wars should be fully given back to Lucas. With no future Disney involvement
After that prequel trilogy ? If that's the best he can offer Star Wars ?
Then NO.
This. Don't forget he also had huge control over Jedi which is why that turned into such a trash fire after Empire.
Anything half as good as the prequels is still twice as good as most of the Disney stuff.
@@dearcastiel4667 With Rogue One sitting there? Nah, that's a hard disagree.
@@dearcastiel4667 the prequels were awful.
Midiclorians ? Casting of Jake Lloyd ? Friggin Jar Jar ? Script basically being Anakin hits buttons at random until he saves the galaxy ? All the government stuff ?
And all that's just Phantom Menace !!!
The only GOOD thing he gave us in those 3 films was Darth Maul and he killed him off !!!
Force Awakens was nostalgia porn admittedly, but it was better than that entire prequel trilogy combined
Mic dropped right there.
No further explanation necessary.
Lucas should be a creative consultant and work on a movie about Knights of the Old Republic. It wouldn’t matter to me which characters he uses as long as the villain is either Darth Bane, Nihilus, Malgus, or Revan.
Yes. Star Wars has largely been garbage without him.
Lucas’ VII-IX or Nothing
In my personal opinion if George Lucas wants to return to Star wars that's his decision