Man, this whole you want to view attractive people argument is childish. What matters is good characterization and story. Do you complain about the Penguin, Walter White, Tony Soprano for being unattractive? If you want “attractive” characters then play your stellar blades and watch CW shows. If you want genuinely good stories that stop caring about “attractiveness” Also you gotta stop with this whole sides thing. This us vs them thing is also dumb, since there are dumb extremes on both sides and it’s not a left or right thing. Most don’t hold the extreme opinions y’all are whining about
You're not wrong, but I think the wanting to see attractive people in gaming thing is just the consumers being tired of everything looking like they came from one person for a while now. It's actually the same complaint as the complaint about that Killmonger hairstyle being used for literally every other black male character. Western devs have been going Concord-esque with their character designs, especially female ones, and their marketing doesn't help when they always underpin it with some body positivity or racial justice spiel, which colors the expectations of the consumers.....the devs and marketers literally shaped their own markets here by creating the perception that the way a character looks is mostly or purely politically motivated. In short, they dug their own holes.
@ again I’m not seeing an overall shift to “ugly characters”, since ugliness is subjective and most of the time when people are complaining the character looks fine, it’s mainly that certain creators want to push a message of gamers vs devs so they paint every character that they can as ugly when they look fine for their setting 99% of the time. They put a magnifying glass on specific games to make it look like a bigger problem than it is. Obviously there are some cases where the writing is done poorly but it’s not some grand conspiracy against gamers, it’s mostly just poor judgement by a writer here and there and meddling by suits such as with kill the justice league and its live service nature. Like I’m sick of people targeting devs when it’s mainly the executives and CEOs who push for corporate diversity as a means to garner a larger purchasing audience
@@FANG3D It's actually the companies and game journalists who have pushed the gamers vs dev narrative. Not content creators. Content creators are merely reacting to that journalist manufactured narrative. Creators do not care, and in fact will have no fodder to generate content from if dev's don't make tweet after tweet badgering gamers to begin with. If ugliness is subjective, then you finding it okay is meaningless, because there are others who subjectively find them ugly, and they won't pay. The reality is, there are consumers who feel the Western game characters have become more and more ugly, a lot of them, and it is affecting sales. Devs also literally tweet out reasons based on explicit political ideology. Th responsibility is on the companies to market shape, not on the consumers to self-censor reviews or opinions. Market segments do not self-censor. They ARE the demand. Companies have to meet that demand, or they fail as businesses.
@@Fear_the_Nog you are ignoring the fact that many content channels like Endymion, Andypants gaming, etc require there to be outrage for their content to thrive. They are incentivized to keep a culture war brewing which is why they attempt to keep the narrative that devs hate gamers alive. They want you watching their content so they are willing to make stuff up if it fits their agenda and keeps attention. Whenever they try in the past to praise certain games they like it gets a quarter of the views compared to their outrage tabloid journalism they do on the daily. I was into this content in the past when I was annoyed at the Star Wars movies but I realized it was not making me a better person. They just want to keep you in the mud with them being cynical and negative about everything.
@@FANG3D It seems like your issue is about some specific content creators that you dislike, not game character design itself. I don't know any of these people you mentioned, but it doesn't matter. Creators are free to find whatever niche they want. If they have an audience, it is their onus to make whatever content. That's not the topic we're talking about here, which is game character design. However, regarding narrative, the narrative isn't created by content creators, but by journalists. And it's kept alive by devs themselves via tweets and public statements that are blatantly antagonistic towards their very consumer base. You don't talk back to your market segment. You do so at risk of losing demand. Customer voices can say anything. Companies cannot afford to.
Man, this whole you want to view attractive people argument is childish. What matters is good characterization and story. Do you complain about the Penguin, Walter White, Tony Soprano for being unattractive?
If you want “attractive” characters then play your stellar blades and watch CW shows. If you want genuinely good stories that stop caring about “attractiveness”
Also you gotta stop with this whole sides thing. This us vs them thing is also dumb, since there are dumb extremes on both sides and it’s not a left or right thing. Most don’t hold the extreme opinions y’all are whining about
You're not wrong, but I think the wanting to see attractive people in gaming thing is just the consumers being tired of everything looking like they came from one person for a while now. It's actually the same complaint as the complaint about that Killmonger hairstyle being used for literally every other black male character. Western devs have been going Concord-esque with their character designs, especially female ones, and their marketing doesn't help when they always underpin it with some body positivity or racial justice spiel, which colors the expectations of the consumers.....the devs and marketers literally shaped their own markets here by creating the perception that the way a character looks is mostly or purely politically motivated. In short, they dug their own holes.
@ again I’m not seeing an overall shift to “ugly characters”, since ugliness is subjective and most of the time when people are complaining the character looks fine, it’s mainly that certain creators want to push a message of gamers vs devs so they paint every character that they can as ugly when they look fine for their setting 99% of the time. They put a magnifying glass on specific games to make it look like a bigger problem than it is.
Obviously there are some cases where the writing is done poorly but it’s not some grand conspiracy against gamers, it’s mostly just poor judgement by a writer here and there and meddling by suits such as with kill the justice league and its live service nature. Like I’m sick of people targeting devs when it’s mainly the executives and CEOs who push for corporate diversity as a means to garner a larger purchasing audience
@@FANG3D It's actually the companies and game journalists who have pushed the gamers vs dev narrative. Not content creators. Content creators are merely reacting to that journalist manufactured narrative. Creators do not care, and in fact will have no fodder to generate content from if dev's don't make tweet after tweet badgering gamers to begin with. If ugliness is subjective, then you finding it okay is meaningless, because there are others who subjectively find them ugly, and they won't pay. The reality is, there are consumers who feel the Western game characters have become more and more ugly, a lot of them, and it is affecting sales. Devs also literally tweet out reasons based on explicit political ideology. Th responsibility is on the companies to market shape, not on the consumers to self-censor reviews or opinions. Market segments do not self-censor. They ARE the demand. Companies have to meet that demand, or they fail as businesses.
@@Fear_the_Nog you are ignoring the fact that many content channels like Endymion, Andypants gaming, etc require there to be outrage for their content to thrive. They are incentivized to keep a culture war brewing which is why they attempt to keep the narrative that devs hate gamers alive. They want you watching their content so they are willing to make stuff up if it fits their agenda and keeps attention.
Whenever they try in the past to praise certain games they like it gets a quarter of the views compared to their outrage tabloid journalism they do on the daily. I was into this content in the past when I was annoyed at the Star Wars movies but I realized it was not making me a better person. They just want to keep you in the mud with them being cynical and negative about everything.
@@FANG3D It seems like your issue is about some specific content creators that you dislike, not game character design itself. I don't know any of these people you mentioned, but it doesn't matter. Creators are free to find whatever niche they want. If they have an audience, it is their onus to make whatever content. That's not the topic we're talking about here, which is game character design. However, regarding narrative, the narrative isn't created by content creators, but by journalists. And it's kept alive by devs themselves via tweets and public statements that are blatantly antagonistic towards their very consumer base. You don't talk back to your market segment. You do so at risk of losing demand. Customer voices can say anything. Companies cannot afford to.