The S.M.S.L. PO100 Pro! Is It The best digital output?🔥🔥
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2023
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Thanks for the info! I bought this and used my iPhone with it and it sounds better than my Fiio m11s.
Yes, I have been using this for the last month now and will do a follow up video talking about how good it is.
Love your videos , keep them coming ... always very informative and the only channel doing these kind of videos...
Thank you, much appreciated! I’m trying to work with some companies to get more products to review, but it’s tough when I’m a small channel.
There’s a lot of products out there I would love to get my hands on but can’t afford to buy everything 😆
Thanks for the qualitative review, I have one and agree with you that the build quality is less than desire. The unit tested well on ASR for digital interface PO100 Pro, not so well on AK D/A model. It's a great unit for USB to Toslink/Coaxial converter. I use Anker 100W USB-C cable output from Fiio M11 Plus.
It’s definitely a good product other than the build quality. I never tested it with my DAP’s, only the iPhone and iPad which produced excellent results.
I would like to see someone make a high end product similar to this just to see if there would be much of a difference in SQ. I know there are home products like the Matrix but there not ideal for working in a vehicle
Hi dave, if we connect to LDAC bluetooth on DSP, the sound would be the same? or better use this or topping d10s?
Have you tried to play hi-res. I have been testing these things for a while. Started in 2019. What I found so far is that the apple devices are limited to 24bit/96Khz tracks. If you keep your device on lossless and not hi res there is no issue. I have found that USB-C devices that do USB-C 3.0 or higher can push out the full 24bit 192Khz. Signal out via optical device like the PO100. Currently researching DACs, DAPs and digital interfaces. I want to try the Cubilux USB-C to optical adapter seems to be purpose but for the application we are trying to implement. You can also us a USB-C dongle to get power and output digital signal.
For 24/192 it depends on what your source is and if you’re going analog or digital out of it and then it also depends on what DSP you have as most will only do 24/96 anyways. Some will take the 24/192 and down covert it to 24/96. The Brax will do 24/192 and the high end Zapco’s and a few others.
I’m more on the recording than if the track is hi res which I couldn’t care less about as there are so many poor recordings of so called hi res tracks that are not really even hi res.
If you’re taking strictly Apple I have played 24/192 out of several iPhone’s and IPads going through the PO100 Pro and Topping D10S and D10B with the camera kit and straight to the device and then coaxial digital out into my DSP.
Not directly related to car audio but can this adapter support 2.1 channel audio and if so how would it be configured?
I'm using UA-cam music. How do I know if I'm playing thru my toslink vs just bluetooth audio? I didn't get that little icon to display like yours did on your iPad for my ipad
Hi, I got the same po100 pro using optical out and everything works fine except one issue. I’m using a lightning camera adapter for charging the iPhone and sending signal to the po100 simultaneously. The issue is when i connect the charger to camera adapter the sound stops immediately then I have to disconnect the charger and switch off and on the dsp then the sound starts again. What would be the issue? Can you pls help me on this issue.
I'm curious if this ddc smsl po 100 pro can use the I2S connection port to plug in the hdmi male to type c female or male connection cable.
Hi Dave S.M.S.L. The PO100 Pro sounds like a very affordable product that sounds great in sound and that anyone can afford to buy one if they so desire and as usual this was a very detailed review that makes your channel so special. You mentioned Astell&Kern the only problem with their players is that they don't have a digital output like coaxial output which is an important feature for us when using in a car like Fiio products. think some Astell&Kern use usb as digital output and the SP 2000 has some sort of toslink but I'm not sure as I'm not that familiar with their products. Again my dear friend your review was amazing and I enjoyed watching. Take care and I'm glad you're back in good shape after this miserable virus.🙏🙏🙏💪💪💪
I had originally did the review on this product about a week ago with an unboxing and then I accidentally deleted the video 😆
Anyways thanks again for always supporting my channel it’s greatly appreciated and I always look forward to your responses 😉
The SMSL PO100 Pro does an excellent job for what it is, and I can see a lot of people using this product especially the people that are on a budget.
Dave thank you so much for your very kind words, you are humble, great guy with great personality and I always enjoy your exciting reviews as detailed as they are.😎 Sir, you are doing an excellent job which I appreciate a lot. "your videos"😎
@@high16200 Thanks again my friend! 😃
@@CarAudioHorizons 😀🙏
good video but I would love to see how your cables are running to the SMSL and iPhone.
It’s the same only if you have an iPhone that has the lightning cable you need the Apple Camera Kit which I show in other reviews
Great video and excellent info. I’m planning to run this with a JL audio VXI amp/DSP. Would you recommend running optical cable (SPDIF) from the SMSL to the amp… or running a single coax to one of the input channels on the amp, or maybe a splitter for L/R? Inputs. Feedback would be appreciated.
Well the JL Audio VXi’s only have optical input and that is what you want to use with it if you’re using the SMSL PO100 Pro with an iPhone/Android or IPad/Tablet.
@@CarAudioHorizons thank you for your reply. Any affiliated links for optical cables? I’m buying the whole setup tonight.
@@aitz28 You can click on any of my links like the S.M.S.L. PO100 Pro $69.99US Amazon Link amzn.to/3lRNXIM
and then search for Audioquest 5 metre optical digital cable. I had them listed in some of my previous videos but the 5 metre ones tend to sell out.
Thanks for the good info and videos!
Have you tested the USB output from a Fiio DAP with Topping D10s or the SMSL? Is it worth the money to switch from my Iphone ?
If you have a DAP with coaxial digital output you want to go directly to the DSP. No point in going into anything else unless you have to. The SMSL PO100 Pro works excellent with an iPhone. You would have to go into a higher end DAP to get better sound. Put it this way I will take my iPhone 13 Pro Max and the SMSL PO100 Pro over a FiiO M11s all day!
@@CarAudioHorizons good to know 😊
I don’t like to use Android for music streaming because you never know what sampling rates is coming out from it.
It seems its upsampling everything to 96khz.
I’m using a old school DSP from the Pioneer ODR series so I can’t go above 48khz.
With the IOS system and Apple Music you have full control over the sample rate. I use Topping D10s and toslink in to my ODR dsp.
Has anyone managed to make it work with PS5? I set it to UAC1 and the PS5 recognizes the interface, but connected to my DAC via Toslink, I don't hear the audio. Thank you!
Thanks for the very informative video, Dave. Quick Question if you have the time. I'm looking at something like this as a way to stream digitially to a DSP amp (probably an Audison Forza) for a system build in an older car (1995). My intent is to use my iphone in place of a traditional headunit, mounted up in a location that is easy to see and reach from the driver's seat. Totally tracking on the requirement for the camera adapter to have both sound output and power input at the same time, though in theory I guess you could also use an inductive charger as well, which I already have in my phone mount. Volume would be handled by the DSP amp control interface, mounted in factory single DIN headunit location.
My question is regarding simplicity of use. I don't want to have to do all of the motions described in order to set the system up for use each time I get in the car. I want to be able to just plug the cable in, bring up Tidal on the phone, and go. Would that be the case provided I don't use bluetooth etc ( car doesn't have any of that of course), as no change from the last use case would be required? Or would I still have user inputs required every time because the unit was powered off and/or the phone was using a different output for my headphones, etc? I don't often use headphones so only having to switch in a case like that would be manageable. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
Not sure what you mean by “all of the motions described in order to set the system up”?
@@CarAudioHorizons Thanks for the extremely quick reply. I'm referring to the steps you covered leading up to around the 7:20 mark, at which point you had to switch Tidal from Bluetooth connection to the SMSL Output. I suspect that if you don't mess with Bluetooth connectivity for your factory radio display, you don't need to worry about switching to the SMSL output every time?
@@TheAlanFish The Bluetooth connection is for track skip, as in the steering wheel controls which I talked about, it’s not for audio.
@@CarAudioHorizons Yes, I understand that. But I'm asking whether utilizing that feature is what introduces the necessity to switch the output on Tidal. I suspect it does, but I don't want to make assumptions. Sometimes systems have weird defaults that can become a pain in the ass in unusual use cases like this.
@@TheAlanFish Not sure what you mean by switch a feature on Tidal? Tidal is Tidal. I’m honestly not following what you’re asking.
Would I need this device? I have an SP2000 and Helix DSP Ultra. Or is this only for phones?
I would run the SP2000 analog into the DSP. That being said the SMSL does an excellent job and is cheap so you could always try it and see which you like better. The SP2000 is one of the best sounding DAP’s of all time.
Thanks for your sharing. Does it still work when your iphone upgarde to ios17?
I have MATCH DSP. After I upgrade my ipnone 14 pro to iso17, the Camera Connection Kit 3.0 from Apple does not work for the DSP. And I' m not sure if the S.M.S.L PO100 pro could solve this problem.
I have no issues with my IPhone 13 Pro Max and the Apple camera kit with the SMSL PO100 Pro when using it with my Helix DSP Ultra and I’m on iOS 17.0.3
@@CarAudioHorizons I was going Iphone lightening Camera adapter to Helix USB input and iOS 17 broke that on my iPhone 14.
@@ssmith10pn I never bothered with the USB Hec card as I heard it had way too many issues with it and sound quality wise everyone preferred the Coaxial digital input and optical inputs on the Helix DSP’s.
I don’t use the SMSL PO100 Pro all the time as I use my FiiO M17 but I did use it for the review and for a month after that when my brother borrowed my M17 and I never had any issues and I’m on the latest IOS software update 17.0.3. I can even play music with no stoppage even when plugging the lightning to usb cable into the Apple Camera Adapter. No issues at all. Everything I have is always 100% up to date.
So curious question. Are you using your iPad as the primary source unit into your helix than into your amps? Bypassed the oem radio signal out?
In this video I’m using the iPad into the SMSL PO 100 Pro and then coaxial digital out or optical into my Helix DSP Ultra. This is just for review purposes, I have multiple ways I connect to my Helix DSP Ultra.
@@CarAudioHorizons Gotcha. So you are also eliminating the oem eq processing, xover points ect. Thus utilizing a full range signal that you are tuning via the dsp? I guess what I’m trying to say is you eliminate the need to deal with the nasty oem signal?
@@pa-mn1go In my system I use a PAC Amp PRO which I have optical output on which also runs into my Helix DSP Ultra for radio, Apple CarPlay which sounds excellent.
In my system going from best sound quality…
#1 is my FiiO M17 into my DSP analog and coaxial digital into my DSP.
#2 if using a tablet or iPhone SMSL PO100 Pro coaxial or optical into my DSP.
#3 PAC Amp PRO optical into my DSP Apple CarPlay or tablet plugged into a usb.
Great video!! Will it works with an helix mini ?
Yes, you just have to use the optical digital output into the your helix mini optical input.
Great video. My set up is: iphone 13 pro max (17.3.1), CCK, SMSL, Optical to Match UP10 DSP. I can't get sound from Amazon Music or any other app. The only app I get sound from in the VLC app. Can't get sound from the Onkyo HP player either, which is strange because it's practically the same type of player as the VLC. I'm using a URC.3 which shouldn't make a diffference because I'm getting sound from the VLC app. I've also tried it with having the cck plugged into power. Doesn't make any difference. Thoughts? Thanks in advance
I have the same phone and software version (17.3.1) and I have no issues with sound on any Music App.
Just curious what is the VLC App and why are you using it when you can just use the regular streaming App’s like Apple Music, Tidal etc…
Amazon is the worst music streaming app of all of them as it try’s to play everything at 24/192 even when it’s not 24/192. I tried it a few times and will never use it again.
I take it you have set up your optical digital input settings on your DSP?
Try it PO100 AK 👌👌👌
Hi, do I use an HDMI cable for l2s audio?
Yes, you can use an HDMI cable
Hi there how are you
Question
I'm thinking about upgrading my old fiio x7 to a fiio m11s
I used the fiio coax output directly to coax input on my helix mk3
The question is is it better to upgrade to the fiio m11s or is the SMSL PO100 PRO a better option
And then use it with my iPhone 12
So in combination with an Apple adapter
What do you think gives me the best sound quality?
Please let me no
Regards
Stefan
The M11s coaxial digital output is worse than the original M11 coaxial digital output. The SMSL PO100 Pro is the better option. FiiO has went downhill ever since the launch of the M17 which was it’s last decent product with regards to DAP’s.
There is only one DAP on the market right now under $1,000 US I would even consider and it’s the Hiby R6 Pro 2.
Thanks for the reply 👍
unfortunately the tidal app and Apple Music are no longer working on the fiio x7 mark ii
otherwise it's a great device
Unfortunately outdated
I ordered the SMSL PO100 Pro
just gonna try it with my iPhone
Hi Dave how are you
I saw you’re video on UA-cam of the sml po100 👍👌🏻
I direct ordered one to
I use it in the car with an original Apple adapter,
And use the coax out to my helix mk3
It sounds good
but somehow the adapter no longer works
it still charges the iPhone
But no music
I happened to have an old non-original adapter lying around that usually works, but sometimes not
I run iOS 17.03
Maybe you have an idea whats going on 🤔
I hope you can help
Regards
Stefan
@@81stefan1 Not sure about the older PO100 as the PO100 Pro works fine as I have used it for 3 months off and on with no issues. I mainly just use Apple Music though as when I do use it it’s with my IPhone 13 Pro Max.
@@CarAudioHorizons
Im also using the po100 pro version
With my iPhone
Too bad we can't control volume from the steering wheel as well. I like your Director, but I'm going with a Conductor to Helix DSP .3
I have a PAC Audio Amp Pro so if I’m on Apple CarPlay I can set my director volume at around 10 and then control the volume on my steering wheel. But if I’m on my FiiO M17 or using the SMSL PO100 Pro then I just use the director volume which is no different than using your vehicle volume. I rarely use the steering wheel controls other than to skip tracks.
Nirvana* mqa isn’t a thing right?
Has anyone tried this with iOS 17 or a iPhone 15?
iPhone 13 Pro Max with iOS 17.0.3 and I have no issues whatsoever