Seaberry Plants Sea Buckthorn plants My thoughts
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2018
- I've been working with Sea Buckthorn plants for about 3 years and they have grown like crazy and have produced lots of berries but in this video, I share my thoughts and the reason I'm not thrilled with this cultivar.u.
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So gald I watched this, I was about to buy a pack of 25 seeds. These things would have wrecked havoc on my pets and my tires. With almost no gain to show for it. My vehicles and my farm animals thank you.
I'm glad I watched this before buying seaberry.
Hi bank80,
Thank you for the comment. I'm glad it's helpful.
Thorns are no big deal, just be careful, much more spread out, not as bed as blackberries, raspberries. I picked when I was a kid and now in my backyard.
very functional advice - allowing each of us to decide if we can adjust to it - and as you say - as a barrier it may be the best ... :)
Very helpful. Thank you. I have limited space and small children. After hearing this I am going to hold off on sea buckthorn.
Thanks for the info. This was very helpful in deciding this would not be a plant for me.
Thank you -
I've felt the same about mine - so prickery to harvest, and the male tipped in our February windstorm - I still need to get it out! Like your comment on working with nature, I'd rather focus on plants that have lots of phytonutrients, butt are easier to work with!
They say ' no pain, no gain.' On another note, if you're thinking of getting this plant, firstly make sure that you have a male plant as this is needed to pollinate the females, and it is only females that produce the berries. Secondly, you will have to wait at least a couple of years for berries if you plant young shrubs of around 18" in height. So be prepared for the wait. These plants are readily available on EBay, but be aware that some sellers cannot tell which are males and which are females because the plants are too young for this to be determined. So you may well get all females, and consequently, no berries. My advice would be, do the research before you buy. Hope this helps.
As for harvesting berries, I've read somewhere that you can simply put branches in the freezer overnight, and the berries will simply fall off
Yes that's a common practice from what I understand.
@@GrowingABetterTomorrow Another way is to use squeezers, just to take the juice right off the branch, but that is old way and it does damage the thorns. But that bush is natural in Finland all over island shores. So if you need to know, which I suspect no, it has 10 oranges worth c-vitamin in one berry alone. Feeding the seeds to horses gives a nice shine for their coat and they use those for cosmetics like shampoos and other things. Apparently some research also shows it has good affect in cheese making - but that is new research and I am not a microbiologist to explain that.
He said that in the video
Thanks for the heads up Kevin...my food forest is still small and i have many more different kinds of plants that i eventually want to add to it but after watching this ,i dont think that i will be adding sea buckthorn...
I'm adding them into the hedge line with osage orange, honey locust, and black locust. Some I will coppice, some I will cut and bend over. In my case, it's goats. I'm trying to keep them home. ;)
Thanks for this one!
Thanks for he info ;) much appreciated ;)
I’ve had a similar experience… grew about 30 of them from seed, now 10ft tall. Not a cultivar so small berries and nearly impossible to pick without some kind of thornproof gloves! Even the birds don’t bother with them cause of all the thorns 😆. Tried the freezing method and just ended up with a thorny branch and frozen berries that wouldn’t fall off… maybe cultivars (esp thornless) would be better cause they taste great. Also wonder about invasiveness properties as they sucker and spread and are tough to kill just like the awful european buckthorn that’s taking over forests… That said they taste great (with some sweetener) and are very nutritious but go in with eyes open
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences!
I have seen some studies regarding their invasive nature. Also, where I live, the Native Plant Society of Saskatchewan (in Canada) lists Sea buckthorn as invasive, and recommends choosing alternatives (e.g., Thorny buffaloberry (Shepherdia argentia),
Wolf willow (Elaeagnus commutata), or
Mountain ash (Sorbus species).
Great vid, thanks!
You're very welcome!
Wow, I didn't know the Sea Buckthorn fixes nitrogen into the soil, but yeah - the big sharp thorns are a huge downside.
Makes a great security bush
Hi, I am growing these for a hedge. You said the thorns pierce tires. How do you cut the grass around them? Or do you try to stay as far away from them with your wheels?
I have tractors and wagons I'd be pulling and I don't need a massive tire bill lols
How do you test for nutrient content? Isn't it kind of hard to turn down a plant that produces berries that have so much vitamin C? I can see what you mean about the thorns though. In Montana we don't have many native plants besides rosehips that give us vitamin C.
Very help full
Thank you, Secunda Dawson
You are an eminent person
How did you grow your sea buckthorn? I live in Georgia.
you just saved me a ton of time. Can you recommend a few zone 3 perennial fruit trees besides goji, apricot, apple, we have these
Saskatoon berries?
wow, you have goji in zone 3?
@@AndriaMichele surprisingly there are goji farms in Saskatchewan
Hi Kenny, I haven't been able to watch Kevin's video, but too many Nimkappopsmon youtube claiming to be prophets. I am ngrowing seabuckthornn for 8 years now, 12 different varieties with great success, we have a u-pick mixed berry orchard. The last 2 years I had wwoofers pick the berries by hand with no problem at all. Before that I was on my own and harvested the berry laden branches by cutting them and freezing them. When frozen, the berries can be removed quite easily by folding thorns downward. Incredible nutrition. Don't watch youtubers for real information, go to sites where they do the actual research.
May i know can this be grow at at altitude of 3000 feet and above sea level
Where can I buy one of these plants?
Can Sea Buck be coppiced? Seems so. Would be ideal for fencing & remediating what's on the other side, like a roadway, for instance. After Edit: Oh, "topple over" -- yeah, perfect!
Hi Nick, thanks for the comments and question. Yes I do think that c buckthorn would make an excellent barrier on a property line. However given that they do top lover as you mentioned and there are root suckers that pop up in locations that you may not want them I would keep that fence in an area that won't pose any problems for flat tires. I think that seaberry plants or sea buckthorns are an amazing plant for the right locations. Thanks for the comments and have an awesome day!
@@GrowingABetterTomorrow Much thanks for replying. We have one seaberry near the fence line, but it’s still a ways from the roadway. We have much hawthorn in the area, so we’re used to non inflatable tires on wheelbarrows and watching our bare stepping thru the summer. We’re in zone 5, so I don’t expect anything to travel too fast. Sounds like seaberry runs in unexpected directions? Maybe that can be guided? May be by only watering along the fence line?
They do better in full sun- they won’t get as lanky and break. And you should try and find a nursery that will sell the correct ratio of male to females.
I am growing a half of a 72 cell tray of seabuckthorn the other half goji . 4 seeds in each cell so 36x4 .144 seeds each and ill keep the best 18 plants of each berry .... when i got my seabuckthorn seeds and it says on there web site there 50/50 female to male i hope i do well !!!
That sounds good, keep us posted on your progress. Love to hear about seed germination rate, growth and development as well as sexing as time goes on. Thanks for your input!
I guess this is not the Russian or the Canadian Sea Buckthorn, because I think, they have less thorns. What kind of a variety is this?
I'm not sure which cultivars these actually are the cultivars that I selected came from Stark Bros nursery and raintree nursery.
Probably the most nutritious plant on the planet and huge nitrogen fixer. You need only one male for each 10 female plants. You have to propagate the males from the males and the females from the females. Plants readily grow from seed, but do not have the parents genetic makeup. They do well in really poor sandy soil. It takes 4 years for the plant to produce flowers and fruit, so it is imperative to purchase plants with known gender. If you buy unsexed plants you are buying from a nimkapoop who can see you coming and just take your money, waste your valuable time and you will be utterly disappointed. A harsh climate helps also. I grow over a dozen varieties, Russian, German and Canadian. No need to test for vitamins and antioxidants, always at the very top due to the mix. The different varieties ripen at different times extending your harvest. I mix my plants, every other plant is a sea buckthorn, saskatoons, sour cherries, aronia ( chokeberry), elderberry and highbush blueberries, no need to fertilize. I also grow Haskap, live in zone 2b, Northern British Columbia, 55th paralell where frost fee days are between frost in every month. Sea buckthorn and Haskap flowers can handle -7 degrees Celsius.
Thanks for your comment Dieter . Please make a video sharing your information, experiences and show us your plants and setup. again thank you.
You may wish to check out the comparison of antioxidant activity of sea buckthorn. www.researchgate.net/publication/227319920_Comparison_of_antioxidant_capacity_and_phenolic_compounds_of_berries_chokecherry_and_seabuckthorn
can they grow from cuttings?
I have not attempted to grow seabuck Thorn or seabury plants from hardwood cuttings yet however there are UA-camrs online that have reportedly had success with hardwood cutting sub seabury plants.
@@GrowingABetterTomorrow THANK YOU..for info
Why not keep it as a decoy for wildlife?
Flat tires from thorns, aggressive growth requires more attention than I have time for
i wish i couldve taken them off your hands. Im trying to start a Famine Garden. Heavy producing, if not sweet at least sour (miracle berry). but i cant find seeds. Elaeagnus, nonis, tamarillos, acerolas :(
Hi Bartacomus Kidd, I would have felt the same way If I saw this video. I hate waste! I also am a resiliency designer, gardener/farmer so I appreciate what you mean by famine garden. However when I think of famine garden I think about the Irish potato famine. Diversity of crops would have made the Irish more resilient farmers and thereby reduced their hardship.
The Seaberry variety I was growing was much too much work for my site and too costly. I've had 2 more flat tires after removing them this year. I am on the lookout for other varieties of seaberry plants with larger berries and less challenging thorns. The tire shop I use are amazed by these thorns which ar like hypodermic needles. They see lots of flats from apple thorns because we are in apple country.
@@GrowingABetterTomorrow keep us updated if you find a seaberry. Im in Texas so its painfully able to grow all these gorgeous tropical and sub tropical fruits.. then the winters are juuuust to cool. Hasnt stopped me trying though. Im going to try peruvian ground cherry this year, and probably go bonkers with the asparagus. can you recommend any heavy fruiters? they dont have to be palatable, just edible and sour.
Hi Bartacomus Kidd, seabuckthorn are male and female on separate plants. They can be readily started from seed, but you don't get the genes from the mother or father plant, also don't know which gender until 4 year old when they produce the 1st almost invisible flowers. Lord is a good male and lots of female varieties online. They can handle minus 45 and plus 45 degrees, are drought tolerant also and prefer poor sandy soil, the poorer the better they produce. Don't accept anything negative about the world's nutritious berry. Growing Seabuckthorn, Haskap, Aronia, Saskatoons and sour cherries in an extremely harsh norther BC climate with zero nitrogen in my pure sand, but Seabuckthorn is feeding all my other berries with fast growing roots carrying lots of nitrogen nodules.
I grow in 150 gl raised beds I got 1 female 1 male growing there about 2 feet tall how long for berries 2 3 years?
I think most of mine started producing in their third year. It's been a while since I have grown to seabberries.
@@GrowingABetterTomorrow thank you
Can I buy Seabury tree?
I need she buckhorn seeds any idea please sir
Currently I don't know of any sources of seeds that I would recommend
Tq so much sir happy sleeping good night
Strictly Medicinal Seeds sells sea buckthorn
I have several buckthorn trees on my property line, my neighbor just told me i should kill them because they are bad for birds, because of poison? I try to figure out it is true or not ? I found sea bucktrhorn is so good for human in fact, but i do not know what is the difference between sea buckthron and the ordinary buckthorn ? I really doubt my neigbor words, God gives us the nature and eg, dandelion is in fact so good, but we are told they look bad so we should kill them. could you tell me how should I know my buckthron trees in my yard is bad or good?
I suspect your neighbor is confusing buckthorn plants which do cause diarrhea and birds because of their toxins.
Where can we buy plants? Information on this plant seems limited.
Hi ChurchofCryptos,
Thank you for the comment. We really appreciate the feedback. I posted a video recently answering your question and links n the description. ua-cam.com/video/385acGLNLQ4/v-deo.html
Kevin
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Can seaberry be grown here in Philippines?
Although I'm not certain I believe it's very possible given the hardiness of sea buckthorn plants.
I thought Sea berry and Sea Buckthorn were not the same.
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Can i get cuttings
No I no longer have the seaberry plants
@@GrowingABetterTomorrow can you suggest me were i might get them.
I'm not sure which varieties of sea buckthorn are being developed by these growers however you can search for edible acres which is located in the finger lakes location of New York State. They sell many permaculture plants on their site. They ship them in the spring and in the fall. Also another good resource is Ben Falk who has made a business out of his seaberry plants. There are many many many other permaculturists that sell seabuckthorn plants. I'm aware of one cultivar so far that has larger berries and no thorns and I hope to check those out because I will invest in those if they turn out to be as good as I hope. I hope this helps.
@@GrowingABetterTomorrow thank you for your time
Here is Ben's website - www.wholesystemsdesign.com/
Just managed to watch the video and a very interesting talk about someone blaming the plant for their lack of knowledge (lack of research is the meaning). He purchased the plants from a nimkapoop grower who has no idea what he is doing. Having so many male versus female plants means they were started from seed having no genetic makeup of the mother plant. 4 years before you can tell the gender of the plants when they actually flower for the 1st time. The male only produces pollen and fertilizes the female via wind.Any amount of research would tell you to plant 1 male for for every 10 to 12 females in a south to north direction if that is your prevailing wind during flowering. If you are going to use the word "Permaculture" you should have at least made an attempt to utilize the nitrogen fixing ability of the plant. Planting another species beside each Seabuckthorn plant is how the orchard will thrive with little further input by man or woman. The roots spread fairly fast and nourish neighboring plants with nitrogen. I had 2 young women wwoofers pick all the berries by hand from about 120 plants. Before that i would cut half the berry laden branches and freeze them, removing berries as needed for juice, jam, sauce and skin creams.
Hi Dieter, I recommend that you rewatch the video that I made covering the topics that you mentioned in your comment. One significant error in your thinking is that the seeds don't contain the DNA from the mother plant. However basic science will inform you that a seed is a product of sexual reproduction requiring the DNA of both the male and female plants. I did cover nitrogen fixing in the video and certainly that is very beneficial for the plants in a food forest. As I mentioned in the video I am not blaming the plant based on my own lack of research. As I mentioned in the video the two main reasons that I did not wish to consider propagating this cultivar of seabuckthorn is because of their thorns and their small fruit size. As I mentioned in the video there are many people and videos of growers who propagate small thorned or thornless sea buckthorn plants that produce very large berries. Not all of us have woofers that can do the harvesting for us. As I mentioned in the video time is very valuable to me. Another point I should make is that many people with minimal research skills often tout the enormous vitamin c levels found in sea buckthorn berries. This is true however if one searches the literature one can readily find that the bioavailability of vitamin c is approximately 100% of a 200 mg dose. Ingestion of greater than 200 mg at a time increases urinary excretion of vitamin c and reduces the bioavailability of vitamin c. However our kidneys are also capable of reabsorbing 70 to 80 micro moles per liter which is about as much as you would receive if you took a 200 mg vitamin c tablet once a day.so in essence by taking massive doses of vitamin c orally you're just going to pee or excrete vitamin c in your feces. If you wish to learn more about scholarly subjects like The bioavailability of vitamin c then I recommend you use Google scholar in your research.
I’ve learned recently that nitrogen fixer plants do not release or share the nitrogen nodules with neighboring plants until the time of their death. The theory of them being a source of nitrogen while alive or even while being pruned has been debunked.
Can I buy Seabury tree?
I currently don't have any seaberry varieties.