Totally agree! When i learned about the buyout i went and spent 400$ quickly grabbing the blades ive wanted and was waiting for saving and the right day.. i heard lyn sold to a global company, went and bought 3 xl's and 2 recon 1s
Joe-X recently did a video on some Cold Steel machetes, they are no longer made in South Africa from high carbon steel, they're now made in China from some Chinese crap steel. I guess I will have to find a new source for my machetes.
I am with you 100%. They should have stood tall before the man and replaced it!! I had a custom built last year, and as soon as I used it chopping, it got a chip in the edge. It's built to chop. I talked to the bladesmith, and he automatically said he would replace the blade with no questions asked. That's custom service, and that guy is a little guy compared to Cold Steel.
I have a Warrior Wakizashi and a 1917 Frontier Bowie and both are excellent, although I bought them many years ago when CS was still a name. I was surprised by recent reviews of CS products until I learned that the company was sold. Usually, in any business, selling a company means a huge decrease in product quality, because the new owners just want to suck as much money as they can from it and then sell it further. So they keep the high price tag, but move to cheaper materials and cheaper workforce to keep their profit margin high. It's sad, but this is how the world works unfortunately.
Im with you dude. I had huge chunks break off the front of the blade on my spartan i bought 5 to 6 years ago. It wasnt chips it was huge chunks from batoning some pine wood.
I bought a Leatherneck SF and it have very loose handle that just wiggle around. I did not do anything about, because I was a Cold Steel fanboy and I assumed if Cold Steel made it this was it has to be like that... I feel your pain and I see it too. No one is criticizing Cold Steel and everyone just tell how awesome it is. That's just bad.
I recently ordered CS Spectre Hawk bill, but i was surprized i got drop point! It is ugly, not sharp, but it was centred and working flawless! I took it to profesional sharpner, and he was shocked how hard it was 20CV. So i desided to keep it. But you are right, never will bay CS again!
I had a similar experience with my SRK in SK5 steel. was doing some light throwing that it should have been more than capable of handling. Turns out the tang broke inside the handle. Wouldn't entertain a warranty at all without a receipt. Absolutely crazy. I guarantee the tang was not tempered properly and was too brittle.
Cold Steel hasn't been the same since Lynn Thompson sold the company. I stopped following it. They now sell knockoff knives of the original designs. I got a Taipan at a pretty decent price but I knew something was off when I recieved it. The "san-mai" steel was ground unequally. I wanted one of these for years and now regret waiting.
Sad to see that happen to such a great company. Between the poor heat treatment causing the bends and breaks and not standing by the product, those are deal breakers for me. You can't charge a premium if the quality and service don't back it up. Should I get more Cold Steel in the future, I'll look for the older models like the original Trail Master with the Carbon V blade and stag handle. That's a beaut!
I think in the end peole will find out the old AUS 8A is a better more robust steel than the current steels they are using. Circa when they slammed a cold steel espada over and over through a truck hood.
Hey Donnie, I found and saw the video where you threw this knife and the tip bent... Years ago, I threw my CS Scimitar that also has AUS8A steel, at about the same distance into about the same kind of tree and the tip bent in a similar fashion! I just bent it back and touched it up so that it was as close to original as possible and continued to carry it... I haven't had to deal with GSM's customer service and by the looks of it, I probably won't even consider it. I have a few CS knives that I certainly cannot complain about as they do the job very well and have for a long time. But, I did recently pickup one of the Master Hunters in 3V and am not sure what I think about it in that steel just yet! I didn't need it, I have other hunting knives for processing bear and deer but I wanted to try out one of these new powdered steel blades. I think that AUS8A steel is either going to be soft or brittle at the tip and will either bend or snap, but that's just my opinion and I don't have anything but my opinion to offer in that regard. My experience with knives is with hunting knives, pocket knives and knives to carry for general field use in the woods. I appreciate your thoughts and comments on CS knives, but I'm not ready to boycott CS because of the issue with AUS8A knife steel bending at the thin tip... My Scimitar continues to perform as its designed to and I still carry it although I now have other knives that I carry in its place as well. God Bless my friend, Stay Frosty in these troubling times...
@@DonnieBAllDay I get that and it would aggravate me to no end to! The BEST customer service that I have ever received came from Eureka Tents! I bought a 6 man mountaineering tent from them in 1982 and the main door zipper went out in 2019! I called them and after a very nice conversation, they actually sent me an entire sack containing 20 YKK metal zipper slides just to make sure that I got the right one! I did and my tent lives on! :)
@@rt66rc86 between comments here and on my video, "boycotting Cold Steel Knives", there are some people who have had issues and people who haven't. If you get one without issues, you're good. If you get one with issues, good luck with their customer service. They just don't care
Brother, I hope all is going well with you. Had some time to check out a couple of your Videos which is hard this time of year i'm so in the weeds with work it's driving me crazy. Lucky for me I don't own any Cold Steel I've just never been a fan but hey for those that are to each his own. ( Love Demko Knives) Anyway just wanted to stop by and say Hi. Take care Brother.
Try the cold steel FM-1. Very good & the best atlus lock knife they’ve made imo. It’s really good. I haven’t cut anything with my mayhem S35VN. I hope it’s not junky
listen here, Donnie! The tip is supposed to bend for if you need a stab around the corner! Some are also designed to break so the tip breaks off in your enemy and gives him an infection! That’s just how bad ass cold steel is! That heat treat is totally on purpose! combat ready!! 😜😂
The mayhem is made in Taiwan. All of my cold steels are made in Taiwan. I have been telling folks for years now, made in Taiwan = no heat treat, same with Italian made knifes. The only exception is Taiwan made Spydercos.
@@rickk4990 I own a few Italian folders and their m390s and magnacuts are soft. They are notoriously known for having inconsistent heat treat and fit and finish in the knife community.
Good to see you again, donnie. If you get the time, I'd greatly appreciate your opinion on this brand of knives I've discovered called Old Ram. Their knives run for pretty cheap and amazon sells some of their knives. There's one in particular I'd like tested that I bought for around 40 bucks total. I can provide a link if need be to show which one I'm referring to.
@@DonnieBAllDay Let me see if I can post it here. If not, I'll do a small video and tag you in it so I can provide the link in my description. One second.
@@shellum ok, so i'M NOT SURE IF THEY MAKE THESE, OR PARTNER WITH OTHER GROUPS. iT LOOKS LIKE 440 OR LESS STAINLESS, POSSIBLY MADE IN pAKISTAN and of course I accidentally hit caps lock! My bad. Haha! This is why they're budget. BUT! it reminds me of Frost Cutlery and their partners or Szco/Rite Edge. People can say whatever they want, if it knifes, its a knife
Cold Steel has always been hit or miss. Been buying CS for over 35 yrs. Some of my CS knives are still trucking along and others didn’t make 2 or 3 yrs.
I am with you dude. I can say that I like some of Cold Steel designs, but I am not going to go off in the comments just like the fan boys would. Let's say if I bought a Natchez or Laredo bowie today, would those blades bend? Just curious and I wanted your opinion.
A couple of years ago, a UA-camr named Concerned Aussie had a bent tip problem with the Preacher knife from Kukri House. When he asked them about it, they explained that they deliberately did a shitty heat treat so that the tip would bend instead of breaking, and thats how it was supposed to be. Reckon you should boycott them too?
@@chattanoogachop5154 if you you actially knew what hou were talking about, you might be right. They didnt claim one heat treat then back out of their claim. The heat treat also didnt differ from one part to another. The dont fully heat treat a blade. Its an edge treatment like theyve done for hundreds of years. The point is to reduce chipping. Thats why they use a convex edge. Also why they provide the service to make them very sharp but dont recommend it because that might happen. He stabbed into a steel barrel with a "very sharp" edge. What happened was exactly what they said would happen. Next time do your homework.
@DonnieBAllDay I do want to say that I respect that you responded instead of deleting the comment. As far as not knowing what I'm talking about...well, I certainly don't possess your blade community bonafides, but I have put dozens and dozens of different kinds of blades through 400+ different targets (conventional and unconventional) and have a good idea of what a knife can and cant do . As far as doing my homework, here's a link to CA explaining his communication with KHHI and them explaining they leave the tip soft, so it will bend instead of snapping off. (Skip to 9:00 min. in, video link below).While I can't imagine why someone would want to own a knife with that kind of heat treatment, they do say it's deliberate. So back to my original point: is leaving the tip deliberately soft good when KHHI does it, but bad if CS does it? ua-cam.com/video/gwhbask_Us8/v-deo.htmlsi=X3rh7Xq06UzazBHu
@@chattanoogachop5154 Spring steel has always been, bend don't break, heat treated. Always. The longer they get, the more they're made that way. The Romans and the Brits were masters at it. On battle fields the blades were made to come in contact with both wood and metal armor/shields. A bent blade in combat could easily be straightened, but there was no fixing a broken blade, hence the Viking Seax. A knife design created from a broken sword. These heat treatment practices have been used for thousands of years and are still used today. KHHI wasn't a Bowie making knife maker. For years the only blades made in Nepal were the kukri. They employed the same heat treatments as they have since the beginning of steel weaponry. Now they make different kinds of weapons. Many that were never made with the kind of differential heat treats they use. So the weapons are new, but the methodology remains the same. A knife that can be field repaired. This is why you won't measure any long blades at a 62 HRC. Cold Steel offer 61/62 HRC. They're supposed to snap before they'd bend. Simple science. Harder means brittle, softer means flexible. So when they sell a knife that was heat treated to 61 HRC, it shouldn't be 58 after the bevels are ground in. That means they screwed up. They carelessly allowed the tip to over heat and ruin the HRC. But that's not why I'M/ME/MYSELF am boycotting them. Its because they blatantly lied. The rep said it was IMPOSSIBLE to be transferred to a supervisor, then confessed that the supervisor was standing next to her. She claimed that the knife had to be purchased through a third party, which it wasn't. I paid with a card, she said it was IMPOSSIBLE to track my order. None of this happened with KHHI or ANY other company I've ever dealt with.
@@chattanoogachop5154 Sorry for being a bit snarky with you. A couple things you couldn't have known. 1) Concerned Aussie was my guy. I gave him a lot of shoutouts and we talked here a lot. He emailed me personally after he dropped the vid. KHHI offered to send him a new one, but I think he was too proud at first. They were willing to absolutely switch it out. CS wasn't.
Sorry that they won’t swap out for new knife, little brother. And I too have sworn off Cold Steel. The next thing my broke ass will be purchasing is your Trench Knife and if I hit the lottery, the giant War Bowie w/ the D guard. Cold Steel will leave a hole in my heart but buyers need a reason to be loyal and they haven’t been giving one for a while….
Man that hurts my butt. Cold Steel is one of the iconic brands that I still hadn't picked up a model from. Seems now like I've missed my opportunity to get a reliable piece from them. Lame. Maybe I'll have to find a used CS knife made before the merger.
I have been blessed to have the quality of knives, tomahawks i have ordered, i got stuff from knife makers, and cold steel everything is great, i havent bought anything from cold steel in years, anything anyone buys is a gamble life is a gamble, i was going to buy cold steel Natchez Bowie knife, i decided to buy your dbad old war Bowie knife, im thinking about getting the dbad big jim Bowie knife, If i asked could they make the knife handle from bufalo horn or ram horn just wondering God bless brother
For me there is nothing better than my Cold steel 4 Max Scout for the price. A beast almost as solid than some fixed blade. So for this reason I cannot see a reason to boycott them
Because you personally have a single knife that's acceptable your unable to understand that you have gotten lucky and the normal is low quality? Seems like a very closed off short sighted mindset. What if you lose it and literally every knife after that is trash? Still no reason to boycott?
I recently heard that CS machetes that were supposedly made in South Africa according to their own site, actually come from Chaina. And also use a different, weaker type of steel. I think JoeX is currently testing this, and his vids will prove this. Always sad & angry when a previously great company now puts profit over people. I truly hope they get there sheit together, cause in the long run it's selfdestruction.
Sorry dude, but you really need to re consider throwing your folder. The forces that accompany an impact after a throw are simply too great. Especially in a heavy folder like that. Stabbing something full force doesn't even come close to the forces that come into play with a throw. The heat treat thing is odd though. Although CS is certainly not the only company having issues with that...yeah I'm looking at you ZT ;)
@@NetshadeX how does that explain every other big folder eating multiple throws with no issues? When one out of 500 does something different, its safe to blame the one
I just knew when Lynn sold The quality would go down I don’t know anything about the customer service because I always bought from third parties because it was better deal But one can’t deny Lynn had a real passion for blades unlike these new clowns
I agree that cold steel are hit or miss but with customer service, I think the representative you spoke to just happened to be incompetent and ignorant based on what you've said. I work in customer service myself and folks (especially new guys) can do very stupid things. I do also agree that they should've transferred you to a supervisor but again it could be that it's a one-time case where supervisor just wasn't available or the guy was just being an asshole.
Correct me if im wrong but the steel is not made in zTaiwan anymore. They've moved their operations to India. Dont know what kind of steel they use now.
They have been making some of their larger, less expensive blades and swords in India for years. But Tiawan is still the place most of their blades are made. They still use a variety of steels including CPM 20CV , 3V and Magnacut.
I heard they made there stuff in Japan, then switched to Taiwan then quality dropped. If they moved again then yeah I'd only imagine it's terrible now...
The reason they couldn't transfer you to a supervisor is probably because it's an outsource business With people working at home. that has Zero to do with cold steel at all And most of them people have no training or trash training. And There might. Be one supervisor for one or two hundred people My Wife worked for a company that took for a bank and they were the same way.
How are you going to actually write this comment, and say that it has zero to do with Cold Steel?! I’m pretty sure he didn’t look up Spydercos number, and call them about their poorly heat treated Cold Steel Mayhem. That’s like saying it’s not the police departments fault that officers didn’t show up, just because the 911 dispatcher is actually shitty and working from home. Come on man
Completely wrong. I called CS's contact us number on their website. Not only that, but the manager was standing near her as she claimed she just asking him because he was standing next to her. They lied. I have no idea how someone can try and defend that.
Unfortunately CS isn’t the same company they once were. That new lock is not even close to the triad. I have had a few and let me tell you they ALL had bladeplay. Never had blade play with triad.
Donnieb..so you can get me the same exact adv tactical bow ie you had in drag brass with the ceremony blade EXACT ONE YOU HAD FOR $300 for me for $350 with tax shipping? Let me know I will buy!
You're not alone, mate 😉👍 Cold Steel fuckin' sucks! The ONLY Cold Steel I genuinely wish I had, is the Safe Maker II, but I live in Australia, land of the fun stoppers!
Let me start by saying this, I used to be a cold steel fan boy. The more I began to forge my own blades the less I liked them. Cold steel is over priced mall ninja junk. They do have some good knives. I don’t know what I saw in them. I hate them more than ever now.
Exactly what I thought happened as well. Cold steel sadly has gone to shit. Like I said would happen when he sold the company. Your best off buying elsewhere
I know it that this knife was crap for what you pay this video is confirm me ,if i say it write i had the feeling it is not good all byers sould test the hardness for gsm blades its not difficult.for me if i go to my lockal store that is only sell cs it cost 600euros or dollars it must be perfect
58-61hrc is sufficient! The hardness is perfectly fine sir. Shout out to Billy! Dont throw folding slasher knives. Why? Well because they're the most likely to be damaged when thrown & that is the lesson people need to learn from this! 💯 #ColdSteelfanboi 💋
@@CGBP02 So you aren't going to mention a heat treat, isn't fluid Isn't good? You are going to completely avoid the topic on the customer service? It doesn't matter to you at all that a longer skinny clippoint. In the extra large espada has been thrown many times without issue?
My coworker borrowed my American Lawman, he liked and bought one. After 3 days it got dull. We use them hard mine needs sharpening every 7 days his needs it every 3 days. Mine is 2020, his is 2024 and it's junk.
@@rushgush facts. Ive thrown 1000 dollar folders. All survived. If you commit the same act with a thousand knives and only one has an issue, then it's a pretty good chance you can blame the one.
@@daveyjones5702 two separate density measuring rods close in on a piece of steel. As long as each side has flat contact, the readings are really good. Unlike you, I actually do know and thats why I'm not the one who had to ask
It's all about quality control and a reputable OEM.
@@todlenski7546 all downhill
No Lynn,no CS.
many feel that way
Totally agree! When i learned about the buyout i went and spent 400$ quickly grabbing the blades ive wanted and was waiting for saving and the right day.. i heard lyn sold to a global company, went and bought 3 xl's and 2 recon 1s
@@meanwileinthedesert..2320 smart
I am sorry to hear about this problem, Donnie. You seemed so happy with the Luzon a few years ago.
Thats because it was older. Not this new crap with a Cold Steel label
Joe-X recently did a video on some Cold Steel machetes, they are no longer made in South Africa from high carbon steel, they're now made in China from some Chinese crap steel. I guess I will have to find a new source for my machetes.
Have you tried Condor machetes? They're not in the same price bracket but man... El Salvador knows how to make a machete!! ✌️
65mn is the chitana steel. Like my dude says, its all about the Heat Treat. Loving this Condor Woodbuster bro! 👍👍
Looking forward to Joe X testing these new Chinese machetes.
@@randallflores-qr8cs Some of the best machetes in the world are made in el salvador
@@DonnieBAllDayTHX.......Condor?
I'm glad I got in when Cold Steel was using BD1 and XHP steel. I got all the folders I ever wanted.
@@Phil-S8 Now you are all set to stay away from the new stuff
I threw my cold steel knife a couple of times since they're supposed to be tough. Mine bent like crazy and i wasnt very rough on it either
they just aren't as good as they used to be
I am with you 100%. They should have stood tall before the man and replaced it!! I had a custom built last year, and as soon as I used it chopping, it got a chip in the edge. It's built to chop. I talked to the bladesmith, and he automatically said he would replace the blade with no questions asked. That's custom service, and that guy is a little guy compared to Cold Steel.
@@Bigdaddyslasher exactly
Late 90’s to mid 00’s was peak Cold Steel.
fact
You expect a certain amount of customer satisfaction. Especially, based on the price point of some of their products.
more customer dissatisfaction
@@DonnieBAllDay I get it
I have a Warrior Wakizashi and a 1917 Frontier Bowie and both are excellent, although I bought them many years ago when CS was still a name. I was surprised by recent reviews of CS products until I learned that the company was sold. Usually, in any business, selling a company means a huge decrease in product quality, because the new owners just want to suck as much money as they can from it and then sell it further. So they keep the high price tag, but move to cheaper materials and cheaper workforce to keep their profit margin high. It's sad, but this is how the world works unfortunately.
even worse, looks like they're already selling again
Im with you dude. I had huge chunks break off the front of the blade on my spartan i bought 5 to 6 years ago. It wasnt chips it was huge chunks from batoning some pine wood.
its not supposed to do that.... Unless you talk to a fanboi. Then you'll find out its some kind of purposeful pattern break. Haha
I bought a Leatherneck SF and it have very loose handle that just wiggle around. I did not do anything about, because I was a Cold Steel fanboy and I assumed if Cold Steel made it this was it has to be like that... I feel your pain and I see it too. No one is criticizing Cold Steel and everyone just tell how awesome it is. That's just bad.
exactly
Me too!!
Greetings from The Netherlands!
@@edwinabbel3783 thanks bro
I recently bought a ti lite 6 in s35vn that would not hold an edge. The tip bent when i jabbed a pine tree. Garbage heat treat.
I'm being told they they basically aren't made to... Well, to do anything. Haha
@@DonnieBAllDay It’s not the same cold steel as the late 90’s for sure.
I recently ordered CS Spectre Hawk bill, but i was surprized i got drop point! It is ugly, not sharp, but it was centred and working flawless! I took it to profesional sharpner, and he was shocked how hard it was 20CV. So i desided to keep it. But you are right, never will bay CS again!
they went downhill
I wonder how the S35VN version holds up
@@christhompson4788 depends on how its heat treated
@@DonnieBAllDay it’s got me worried I just bought one and if the same thing happens to mine I’ll be pissed
@@christhompson4788 i guess just dont use ot like a normal knife
Ok I understand your point 👍🏻
@@jocemarine6247 it makes me wish I didnt love this knife
But his point is bent! 🤣
I had a similar experience with my SRK in SK5 steel. was doing some light throwing that it should have been more than capable of handling. Turns out the tang broke inside the handle. Wouldn't entertain a warranty at all without a receipt. Absolutely crazy. I guarantee the tang was not tempered properly and was too brittle.
@@BRB_Covers crooks
Cold Steel hasn't been the same since Lynn Thompson sold the company. I stopped following it. They now sell knockoff knives of the original designs. I got a Taipan at a pretty decent price but I knew something was off when I recieved it. The "san-mai" steel was ground unequally. I wanted one of these for years and now regret waiting.
that sucks
Lynnie the pooh was a douche
Sad to see that happen to such a great company. Between the poor heat treatment causing the bends and breaks and not standing by the product, those are deal breakers for me. You can't charge a premium if the quality and service don't back it up. Should I get more Cold Steel in the future, I'll look for the older models like the original Trail Master with the Carbon V blade and stag handle. That's a beaut!
definitely older the better
I think in the end peole will find out the old AUS 8A is a better more robust steel than the current steels they are using. Circa when they slammed a cold steel espada over and over through a truck hood.
They did that to show how tuff their knives are. Now if one bends against soft wood its because of knife abuse
Hey Donnie, I found and saw the video where you threw this knife and the tip bent... Years ago, I threw my CS Scimitar that also has AUS8A steel, at about the same distance into about the same kind of tree and the tip bent in a similar fashion! I just bent it back and touched it up so that it was as close to original as possible and continued to carry it...
I haven't had to deal with GSM's customer service and by the looks of it, I probably won't even consider it. I have a few CS knives that I certainly cannot complain about as they do the job very well and have for a long time. But, I did recently pickup one of the Master Hunters in 3V and am not sure what I think about it in that steel just yet! I didn't need it, I have other hunting knives for processing bear and deer but I wanted to try out one of these new powdered steel blades.
I think that AUS8A steel is either going to be soft or brittle at the tip and will either bend or snap, but that's just my opinion and I don't have anything but my opinion to offer in that regard. My experience with knives is with hunting knives, pocket knives and knives to carry for general field use in the woods. I appreciate your thoughts and comments on CS knives, but I'm not ready to boycott CS because of the issue with AUS8A knife steel bending at the thin tip... My Scimitar continues to perform as its designed to and I still carry it although I now have other knives that I carry in its place as well. God Bless my friend, Stay Frosty in these troubling times...
I don't care that it bent. $hit happens. I care about how dishonest and unwilling to stand by their product customer dis-service was.
@@DonnieBAllDay I get that and it would aggravate me to no end to! The BEST customer service that I have ever received came from Eureka Tents! I bought a 6 man mountaineering tent from them in 1982 and the main door zipper went out in 2019! I called them and after a very nice conversation, they actually sent me an entire sack containing 20 YKK metal zipper slides just to make sure that I got the right one! I did and my tent lives on! :)
@@rt66rc86 Same with Esee
@@DonnieBAllDay I'm looking at one of their knives for a fixed blade EDC, in s35vn. Do you have any feedback on that blade steel they use?
@@rt66rc86 between comments here and on my video, "boycotting Cold Steel Knives", there are some people who have had issues and people who haven't. If you get one without issues, you're good. If you get one with issues, good luck with their customer service. They just don't care
Brother, I hope all is going well with you. Had some time to check out a couple of your Videos which is hard this time of year i'm so in the weeds with work it's driving me crazy. Lucky for me I don't own any Cold Steel I've just never been a fan but hey for those that are to each his own. ( Love Demko Knives) Anyway just wanted to stop by and say Hi. Take care Brother.
@@JR-5465 I appreciate that
Try the cold steel FM-1. Very good & the best atlus lock knife they’ve made imo. It’s really good. I haven’t cut anything with my mayhem S35VN. I hope it’s not junky
I won't buy another after the company sold. They're doing so bad right now that GSM is trying to sell Cold Steel again
I'm disappointed too. They keep switching to lower quality materials/steels and raising prices.
@@jimbusmaximus4624 facts
clearly you don't pay the bills at your house.
@@daveyjones5702 Why? The prices have been going up long before Biden
@@daveyjones5702 I own my house. Based on the rest of your comments you know very little about knives. Why are you even commenting?
@@DonnieBAllDay lol no they haven't.
Damn shame cause that blade shape is cool 😎 I bet you could design something similar and make it Dope AF Donnie B 💯
No accountability for lousy customer service.Wow!
you know I can
Damn straight 💯
listen here, Donnie! The tip is supposed to bend for if you need a stab around the corner! Some are also designed to break so the tip breaks off in your enemy and gives him an infection! That’s just how bad ass cold steel is! That heat treat is totally on purpose! combat ready!! 😜😂
infectious breaks.... Huh... Well I'll be. haha
The mayhem is made in Taiwan. All of my cold steels are made in Taiwan. I have been telling folks for years now, made in Taiwan = no heat treat, same with Italian made knifes. The only exception is Taiwan made Spydercos.
what Italian made knives are you buying lol
@@BGL_Denis I half agree. Italian knives have great reputations
@@rickk4990 I own a few Italian folders and their m390s and magnacuts are soft. They are notoriously known for having inconsistent heat treat and fit and finish in the knife community.
@@DonnieBAllDay They don't have the worst reputation but definitely not a great one - Just like their cars, unreliable.
Joe X has tested tons of Cold Steels made in Taiwan that has passed with flying colors. Taiwan = Usually good. China = Stay away.
Momma always said life was like a cold steel blade... Never know what ur gonna get... ~Forrest Gump~
fact!
Thanks for the video, it is sad about CS, I was thinking of buying the Recon Scout 3V, but I´m not sure now... Have a great time anyway. FM
@@forestmantis1737 you as well
This is _exactly_ what I was worried about happening when GSM bought out Cold Steel.
@@Lochlann13 And now it looks like they are selling
Good to see you again, donnie. If you get the time, I'd greatly appreciate your opinion on this brand of knives I've discovered called Old Ram. Their knives run for pretty cheap and amazon sells some of their knives. There's one in particular I'd like tested that I bought for around 40 bucks total. I can provide a link if need be to show which one I'm referring to.
@@shellum Definitely add the link
@@DonnieBAllDay Let me see if I can post it here. If not, I'll do a small video and tag you in it so I can provide the link in my description. One second.
@@DonnieBAllDayUA-cam didn't like me putting links in the comments, so I did the short vid and tagged you in it
@@shellum ok
@@shellum ok, so i'M NOT SURE IF THEY MAKE THESE, OR PARTNER WITH OTHER GROUPS. iT LOOKS LIKE 440 OR LESS STAINLESS, POSSIBLY MADE IN pAKISTAN and of course I accidentally hit caps lock! My bad. Haha! This is why they're budget. BUT! it reminds me of Frost Cutlery and their partners or Szco/Rite Edge. People can say whatever they want, if it knifes, its a knife
Good video, thanks for sharing YAH bless brother !
@@MichaelR58 thanks
Cold Steel has always been hit or miss. Been buying CS for over 35 yrs. Some of my CS knives are still trucking along and others didn’t make 2 or 3 yrs.
exactly
I had three different cold steel knives with cts xhp that all the tips broke off when stropping
@@anthonystockfleth4278 thats terrible
Tips breaking off when stropping?
That's amazing in itself. But in a really bad way.
Wow..
Ugh!!!!! Seriously? Holy shit! That should never happen. That sucks man, sorry
Thank you for driving up the price of the old Cold Steel Logo blades! When I go to sell all these someday, I will think of Lynn and Dbad 😂
@@TheGunsNBlades haha! Youre wedlcome
I am with you dude. I can say that I like some of Cold Steel designs, but I am not going to go off in the comments just like the fan boys would. Let's say if I bought a Natchez or Laredo bowie today, would those blades bend? Just curious and I wanted your opinion.
they absolutely could, but they could be good too. The problem is if they do
Glad you got your package bro 😎🤘🤘
@@apex_alchemy_knives thats a cool blade
A couple of years ago, a UA-camr named Concerned Aussie had a bent tip problem with the Preacher knife from Kukri House. When he asked them about it, they explained that they deliberately did a shitty heat treat so that the tip would bend instead of breaking, and thats how it was supposed to be. Reckon you should boycott them too?
@@chattanoogachop5154 if you you actially knew what hou were talking about, you might be right. They didnt claim one heat treat then back out of their claim. The heat treat also didnt differ from one part to another. The dont fully heat treat a blade. Its an edge treatment like theyve done for hundreds of years. The point is to reduce chipping. Thats why they use a convex edge. Also why they provide the service to make them very sharp but dont recommend it because that might happen. He stabbed into a steel barrel with a "very sharp" edge. What happened was exactly what they said would happen. Next time do your homework.
@DonnieBAllDay I do want to say that I respect that you responded instead of deleting the comment.
As far as not knowing what I'm talking about...well, I certainly don't possess your blade community bonafides, but I have put dozens and dozens of different kinds of blades through 400+ different targets (conventional and unconventional) and have a good idea of what a knife can and cant do
. As far as doing my homework, here's a link to CA explaining his communication with KHHI and them explaining they leave the tip soft, so it will bend instead of snapping off. (Skip to 9:00 min. in, video link below).While I can't imagine why someone would want to own a knife with that kind of heat treatment, they do say it's deliberate. So back to my original point: is leaving the tip deliberately soft good when KHHI does it, but bad if CS does it?
ua-cam.com/video/gwhbask_Us8/v-deo.htmlsi=X3rh7Xq06UzazBHu
@@chattanoogachop5154 Spring steel has always been, bend don't break, heat treated. Always. The longer they get, the more they're made that way. The Romans and the Brits were masters at it. On battle fields the blades were made to come in contact with both wood and metal armor/shields. A bent blade in combat could easily be straightened, but there was no fixing a broken blade, hence the Viking Seax. A knife design created from a broken sword. These heat treatment practices have been used for thousands of years and are still used today. KHHI wasn't a Bowie making knife maker. For years the only blades made in Nepal were the kukri. They employed the same heat treatments as they have since the beginning of steel weaponry. Now they make different kinds of weapons. Many that were never made with the kind of differential heat treats they use. So the weapons are new, but the methodology remains the same. A knife that can be field repaired. This is why you won't measure any long blades at a 62 HRC. Cold Steel offer 61/62 HRC. They're supposed to snap before they'd bend. Simple science. Harder means brittle, softer means flexible. So when they sell a knife that was heat treated to 61 HRC, it shouldn't be 58 after the bevels are ground in. That means they screwed up. They carelessly allowed the tip to over heat and ruin the HRC. But that's not why I'M/ME/MYSELF am boycotting them. Its because they blatantly lied. The rep said it was IMPOSSIBLE to be transferred to a supervisor, then confessed that the supervisor was standing next to her. She claimed that the knife had to be purchased through a third party, which it wasn't. I paid with a card, she said it was IMPOSSIBLE to track my order. None of this happened with KHHI or ANY other company I've ever dealt with.
@@chattanoogachop5154 Sorry for being a bit snarky with you. A couple things you couldn't have known. 1) Concerned Aussie was my guy. I gave him a lot of shoutouts and we talked here a lot. He emailed me personally after he dropped the vid. KHHI offered to send him a new one, but I think he was too proud at first. They were willing to absolutely switch it out. CS wasn't.
Impressive, steel, bro!
Thanks!
Hello Good Sir, Can you please post a link to the video showing the throw that did the damage?
@@HoraceVinderman About a week ago I edit a video call to boycotting cold steel knives. It's in that video.
@@DonnieBAllDay Thank You
@@DonnieBAllDay What's the name of that video? I found no reference to boycotting cold steel in any titles when I looked for it.
@@rt66rc86 its jist called boycotting cold steel. Go to my videos and look back a couple weeks
Sorry that they won’t swap out for new knife, little brother. And I too have sworn off Cold Steel. The next thing my broke ass will be purchasing is your Trench Knife and if I hit the lottery, the giant War Bowie w/ the D guard. Cold Steel will leave a hole in my heart but buyers need a reason to be loyal and they haven’t been giving one for a while….
@@mikewalsh5872 you aren't lying
Q?
If the tip was 61 hardness, and you threw it..
Wouldn't the tip break easier?
No. It would break before bending, but it wouldn't necessarily break. That hit wouldn't be enough to break a proper heat treat
I edc the mayhem and bought the snaggeltooth wave mod for it. I also edc the espada xl right next to it.
@@bladeandcloak666 thats a whole lotta edc
Right on man 👀
@@DonnieBAllDay I edc a whole lot more knives than that as well, its an addiction haha
Man that hurts my butt. Cold Steel is one of the iconic brands that I still hadn't picked up a model from. Seems now like I've missed my opportunity to get a reliable piece from them. Lame. Maybe I'll have to find a used CS knife made before the merger.
if you can find one from the 1990's, worth it
I have been blessed to have the quality of knives, tomahawks i have ordered, i got stuff from knife makers, and cold steel everything is great, i havent bought anything from cold steel in years, anything anyone buys is a gamble life is a gamble, i was going to buy cold steel Natchez Bowie knife, i decided to buy your dbad old war Bowie knife, im thinking about getting the dbad big jim Bowie knife,
If i asked could they make the knife handle from bufalo horn or ram horn just wondering
God bless brother
@@DanionGrisham They should be able to do a horn grip
I only stand behind Your knives.
Cold Steel has changed too much.
Question. Would You create a full tang 18" blade Barong❓
I've been asked before. For me, the design needs to excite me, so I'd really need to put my stink on it and I'm afraid it would no longer be a barong
He's not wrong! I stuck an srk from ten feet twice and the handle was loose as sH!#!!!!
@@jamesaustin9848 crazy
I had the tip of one of my ti lite 6's bend on a throw as well, was pretty disappointed
@@BS-tw5yf I think they grind too slow and dont cool the steel as they go
You've shown, they don't back up their products. I want no part of Cold Steel for that.
@@2fast2block all done with them
Them: "God sent Cold Steel to Earth."
Us: "I smell sulfur! Repent!"
@@michaelr7254 hahaha!
For me there is nothing better than my Cold steel 4 Max Scout for the price. A beast almost as solid than some fixed blade. So for this reason I cannot see a reason to boycott them
@@jocemarine6247 tell them you want it replaced. Make up a reason. See how far you get
Because you personally have a single knife that's acceptable your unable to understand that you have gotten lucky and the normal is low quality? Seems like a very closed off short sighted mindset. What if you lose it and literally every knife after that is trash? Still no reason to boycott?
I still don’t like the atlas lock
I dont mind it. Its simple and quick
I recently heard that CS machetes that were supposedly made in South Africa according to their own site, actually come from Chaina. And also use a different, weaker type of steel. I think JoeX is currently testing this, and his vids will prove this. Always sad & angry when a previously great company now puts profit over people. I truly hope they get there sheit together, cause in the long run it's selfdestruction.
they fell far
Sorry dude, but you really need to re consider throwing your folder. The forces that accompany an impact after a throw are simply too great. Especially in a heavy folder like that. Stabbing something full force doesn't even come close to the forces that come into play with a throw. The heat treat thing is odd though. Although CS is certainly not the only company having issues with that...yeah I'm looking at you ZT ;)
@@NetshadeX how does that explain every other big folder eating multiple throws with no issues? When one out of 500 does something different, its safe to blame the one
I just knew when Lynn sold
The quality would go down
I don’t know anything about the customer service because I always bought from third parties because it was better deal
But one can’t deny Lynn had a real passion for blades unlike these new clowns
these guys suck
@@DonnieBAllDay so true man
This is why I am going to Condor
Ohhhh I like that bulldog hump back knife !
@@apex_alchemy_knives so nice!
I agree that cold steel are hit or miss but with customer service, I think the representative you spoke to just happened to be incompetent and ignorant based on what you've said. I work in customer service myself and folks (especially new guys) can do very stupid things. I do also agree that they should've transferred you to a supervisor but again it could be that it's a one-time case where supervisor just wasn't available or the guy was just being an asshole.
@@hellhound2260 no. The supervisor she said was right next to her. She couldve handed them the phone
Chipped the shit out of my new mayhem blade simply chopping fruit on a board … qc has went down big time
looks like the company is selling again too
@@DonnieBAllDay what a shame .. I miss the old days of Lynn and true passion for blades
Who is this knifemaker Billy Ford knives ?
@@BreathofSan Billy is an independent out of TN. His channel here is Apex Alchemy
@@DonnieBAllDay Thank you Donnie.
Correct me if im wrong but the steel is not made in zTaiwan anymore. They've moved their operations to India. Dont know what kind of steel they use now.
They have been making some of their larger, less expensive blades and swords in India for years. But Tiawan is still the place most of their blades are made. They still use a variety of steels including CPM 20CV , 3V and Magnacut.
@@deniskozlowski9370 I believe this one is china made
I heard they made there stuff in Japan, then switched to Taiwan then quality dropped. If they moved again then yeah I'd only imagine it's terrible now...
I've got many Cold Steel knives but, theyve gone downhill fast.
big time
Now the company that bought cold steel is being sold to another equity firm. Idk what it means for cold steel quality yet
that means they're having a lot of problems
Scab sent me.
@@edrozenrozen9600 I appreciate it
The reason they couldn't transfer you to a supervisor is probably because it's an outsource business With people working at home. that has Zero to do with cold steel at all And most of them people have no training or trash training. And There might.
Be one supervisor for one or two hundred people My Wife worked for a company that took for a bank and they were the same way.
How are you going to actually write this comment, and say that it has zero to do with Cold Steel?! I’m pretty sure he didn’t look up Spydercos number, and call them about their poorly heat treated Cold Steel Mayhem. That’s like saying it’s not the police departments fault that officers didn’t show up, just because the 911 dispatcher is actually shitty and working from home. Come on man
Completely wrong. I called CS's contact us number on their website. Not only that, but the manager was standing near her as she claimed she just asking him because he was standing next to her. They lied. I have no idea how someone can try and defend that.
Unfortunately CS isn’t the same company they once were. That new lock is not even close to the triad. I have had a few and let me tell you they ALL had bladeplay. Never had blade play with triad.
@@Edgekeeper747 the triad was all Demko.
Donnieb..so you can get me the same exact adv tactical bow ie you had in drag brass with the ceremony blade EXACT ONE YOU HAD FOR $300 for me for $350 with tax shipping? Let me know I will buy!
@@robotic502 If he has one, it will most likely be closer to 370
Have it reground? You know anyone who could make it right?
@@danieltporter959 it doesnt need regrinding. It needs to be straightened and re heat treated
I saw metal complex video on the fix blade tai pan from cold steel. He got it at amazon and the blade's knife was wrong he said.
@@thepunisher67-l7d theres a lot wrong going on with them
Amazon switches products and sells fakes all the time tho on everything...
You're not alone, mate 😉👍
Cold Steel fuckin' sucks!
The ONLY Cold Steel I genuinely wish I had, is the Safe Maker II, but I live in Australia, land of the fun stoppers!
@@brad7932 haha! That sucks. People today love knives for two reasons. Rambo and Crocodile Dundee. The liberals really screwed the pooch on that one
Let me start by saying this, I used to be a cold steel fan boy. The more I began to forge my own blades the less I liked them. Cold steel is over priced mall ninja junk. They do have some good knives. I don’t know what I saw in them. I hate them more than ever now.
@@6firefightin exactly
Exactly what I thought happened as well. Cold steel sadly has gone to shit. Like I said would happen when he sold the company. Your best off buying elsewhere
@@hillbillyfromtheswamp6223 facts
Coldsteel has turned into budk 😂
fact
Quit c/s years ago the patterns are useless and the
Handles got to be joke now
The prices are insane
@@dhawk6896 you arent wrong
Когда из Cold Steel ушли нормальные ребята,вопрос качества стал лишь делом времени
that's the truth my brother
@@DonnieBAllDayэто боль,такая отличная фирма,так же и MOD убили😑
I know it that this knife was crap for what you pay this video is confirm me ,if i say it write i had the feeling it is not good all byers sould test the hardness for gsm blades its not difficult.for me if i go to my lockal store that is only sell cs it cost 600euros or dollars it must be perfect
It should be, but sadly rarely is these days
58-61hrc is sufficient! The hardness is perfectly fine sir. Shout out to Billy! Dont throw folding slasher knives. Why? Well because they're the most likely to be damaged when thrown & that is the lesson people need to learn from this! 💯
#ColdSteelfanboi 💋
@@CGBP02 So you aren't going to mention a heat treat, isn't fluid Isn't good? You are going to completely avoid the topic on the customer service? It doesn't matter to you at all that a longer skinny clippoint. In the extra large espada has been thrown many times without issue?
This fool is back. The same guy who keeps his CS junk behind a glass cabinet. Their No.1 slut!
My coworker borrowed my American Lawman, he liked and bought one. After 3 days it got dull. We use them hard mine needs sharpening every 7 days his needs it every 3 days. Mine is 2020, his is 2024 and it's junk.
@@LowIQBlack typical of the new
Cold steel junk anyways
@@Jaycv-dq3rg downhill fast
It is made in Taiwan, not China.
@@squick1842 So you're saying that the Taiwanese don't know how to grind bevels without over heating the tip also?
u could buy a 1000 dollar knife and destroy the blade.
@@rushgush facts. Ive thrown 1000 dollar folders. All survived. If you commit the same act with a thousand knives and only one has an issue, then it's a pretty good chance you can blame the one.
Don't throw folders.. I always heard.
@@Phillip-de5ww I throw every folder
You change opinion more than Dems change pres candidates.
@@icm3523 when did I ever say they have good customer service? Looks like you have Bidens memory
Fuck cold steel, I buy esee and spyderco, I even have 3 made in America gerber's, the strong arm, the prodigy and the lmf 2
smart
how the fuck do you measure a heat treatment?
scientifically. Theres a machine that does it
@@daveyjones5702 with a Rockwell hardness tester.
@@DonnieBAllDay that's a self stroking way of saying you don't know.
@@daveyjones5702 two separate density measuring rods close in on a piece of steel. As long as each side has flat contact, the readings are really good. Unlike you, I actually do know and thats why I'm not the one who had to ask
@@DonnieBAllDay lol what is your problem, retard?
it's a question. and you didn't actually answer it.
why go out of your way to insult me?
micropenis?
So I guess it’s definitely not a good idea to buy a new Trail Master🫤
good idea to buy an older one