Wow - takes me back! Forest Grammar School Class 1A, academic year 1968 to 1969 - whole class was pretending to be binary registers doing adding (by raising of hands) under direction by Mr.Pomeroy, maths teacher. The clip from 5:05 to 5:23 features Roland Hughes nearest camera, me Kelvin Watson in middle (I look like Mr.Bean, says my young daughter - thanks!) with Martin Turner to my left. We were running test routines on memory boards; each tray had about 30 transistors, as I recall. Great days! - would love to hear from either of my test colleagues, or any others from that class - Great days!
Kelvin Watson is Martin Turner Dr. Martin Turner I once worked in research project within uni of sydney, I am not sure but after I left I heard he retired, that was like 7-8 years ago..
I was at Forest 70-77 and the computer was replaced by the School library when we got a teletype terminal that linked us to the machine in the basement of Shire Hall in Reading. When they were dismantling it (I think in 1970-71) managed to scavange a few bits like the huge valves and odds that are probaby somewhere here at home where my wife wont find them and label them "rubbish". Mr Pomeroy!!! Maths teacher extraodinaire! Was in his class for Maths, he was a great teacher and saved me from remedial maths! I thought I recognised him as soon as he showed up in the piece! Thanks for posting and for the comments about my old school! I did go on to work in IT for many years, eventually (and almost by accident) founding an ICT consultancy that wound up heavily involved in web application development. Took early retirement and now just enjoy life!
I feel exceptionally sad in that I'm doing a computer science master's conversion at one of the best UK universities for the subject, and yet had I been a school kid in the 60s I'd have known it all already. My, how we have dumbed down the education system over the decades.
@@jaynesamuel-walker3284: Its a shame but here in the States young girls are not pursuing the math and sciences like they once did. The same year this film was made Margaret Hamilton built the hardware and wrote the code for the Apollo 11 Guidance system that landed on the moon. It's really a shame.
@@tommyhallum2054 It’s the same in the UK and I remember seeing a photograph of Margaret Hamilton beside a stack of printout which was taller than her! I had the benefit of going to an all-girls independent school and our ratio of maths/chemistry/physics/biology to arts A-level (17 and 18 year olds) was 1:2. About 20 girls did science and 40 did arts. I think that ratio is unheard of these days. My school had a strong reputation for developing scientists since it opened in 1860. Our first science laboratory opened in 1890 and was one of the first science labs in an all-girls school in the UK.
+Steffi Ri And here was me thinking it was Mother's Pride. I had Spud for maths in the early eighties, but maybe I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been. Actually had maths classes in the very room that computer sat in.
5:50 love how they’re acting like it’s a nuclear plant going into meltdown and the world is about to end but really it just brokedown whilst playing drunken sailor 😂 😂
Here these spiffy young chaps are hooking up one of the chiefmost engines of this personal electronics computing to the clock hands of Big Ben. Upon striking twelve o'clock buttercup, the the machine will express one plus one in binary and with additional assistance, calculate an answer. What a brave new world for these chaps indeed.
The start up was a lot simpler, but being teenagers we persuaded the producer to make it look more exciting . We were disappointed that Raymond Baxter didn't come to the school, just an unknown producer.
I really wish I had been alive for the birth of computers. I'm only 22 and know my way around my machine, but it would so fascinating to witness the evolution of such an incredible technology.
I know all this lot , this is bizarre , The teachers are Pomeroy and Daley , Maths and Physics , and I used to test those boards as well..................
I was at school in the seventies and while the computer nerds were learning binary I was learning the female anatomy with Gillian Clark behind the bike sheds.
Donut Worry I wasn't knocking computer nerds, moreover my stupid sense of importance had I not been behind the bike sheds with girls and focused all that energy into learning.
Stumbled upon. And funny as all get out. I started this video with the same settings from the previous video I watched. Ya, so absentmindedly left at 0.25 speed and full screen I pressed play for this video. Sat back in my chair, relaxed. This video at 0.25 speed is hilarious. Like Monty Python gone Psycho! I howled with laughter! Peace Out to All!
Why am i getting all this recommendations about our old tech back in the days. Not complaining though. On the other hand, I am very amazed watching all these now. It takes all my anxiety from this lockdown around us. I am also in awe at how fast how tech has evolved in just a short span of time.
Nellie the in-tell-e-gent Elephant Damn, it booted faster and with less fuss then my modern windows 7 computer picturing Mr Bean going to Orientation day and pressing random buttons on the computer when no one was looking, and blowing the whole thing out.
My thoughts too as I knew like many others that computers were 'the future' but my 'bog standard' east end comp of the 80s didn't really have any teaching of the subject. Its unfunny because at my sons secondary they only have a single day/two hours of teaching, which IMO is not enough. Every half term i have been paying for my son to attend coding camp which cost over £500 a week, out of reach for many families!!!!
@@funkg I can add nothing to what you say except to thank you for your reply. I can see many similarities between the way our country is now to how it was in the 1970’s. We are stagnating and calcifying and our great nation deserves so much better. Anyway, take care. David
The difference is alot of kids dont actually understand what they are doing with the computers..they just do it becuase the motions are ingrained from a young age, back then you had to learn hard science to operate it.
1969, that was the year I passed my driving test. I was working for a higher purchase company, and they were experimenting with the use of computers. A whole floor housed all of the computer equipment. We had two monitors, (called CRTs), on the floor I was working on and everything had to go through a mainframe to access details of the customers accounts. It was 21 years before the first home computer was invented. There was no internet in those days and each computer stood on its own. No fear of being hacked or scammed - carefree days. A case of what you have never had you do not miss., I guess I would be just as happy writing BASIC programs on my Speccy as I am trawling the internet for something interesting to read.
@@knightonlibrary1183 Oops, I should have said 12 years before the first home computer was invented, which would have made it 1981, I was unaware of the apple II I'm afraid.
Neat. I recognise the uniform. That's the Forest School in Winners, though back then it was a grammar school. Things have gone downhill somewhat since I left in 2005...
I was one of the boys in the programme representing ones and zeros by raising or lowering our hands. I remember having to test the diodes and making repairs by using a soldering iron. The computer took up a whole classroom with cables running through a hole in the wall to an adjoining classroom to two teletype terminals. Only one terminal could connect the computer at a time. The other terminal was used to type a simple programme on paper tape. The paper tapes were then transferred to the active terminal to programme the computer. I believe that our school was the first to trial a new 'O' Level subject "Maths with Computing" with a course book called "Numasets" written by Mr Hooper, head of maths, and Mr (Spud) Pomeroy.
Yes, I've seen one of those data storage devices (in the rectangular silver can) on UA-cam. It held data in the form of an acoustic wave in a long spring, generated via a transducer. They had done this with a mercury-filled tube at one time. I presume that it could have been termed an early form of FIFO buffer. I presume that it would have had some regenerative circuity to maintain the data in the loop until accessed.
+Stephen Clementson: If I remember correctly, the device was a long, thin nickel rod bent into a loop. Acoustic waves were generated by magnetostriction using a coil at one end of the rod/loop, whereby a ferromagnetic material is deformed during magnetization (this is why electrical transformers hum) and detected by a matching coil at the other end in which a small current is generated by the passing vibrations. Each unit held one thirty-two-bit word.
@@marccas10 I saw one of these spring things on UA-cam. Large amounts of short term memory storage was a very major problem without high levels of integration, so they had to find ways around the problem.
lol, apologies! was more a comment on the changing times than individuals, I fully respect their/your computer competence, I'm 34 and have only just mastered the etchasketch :)
@CLICKHEREKillACHILD Fuuucking hell haha, I was taking the piss out of people who are geeky enough to make jokes like that. Would have thought the ridiculous laughter would have given it away. Check you getting all serious about "actually I think you'll find that's inaccurate for the following reasons". You've made my day :D
Its amazing that whilst computers have gotten smaller and much more powerful, the people using them have gotten lazier and know almost nothing about how they operate. As long as they can get on facebook, that is all most care about.
Alex1M6 computers now must learn how WE operate to be better than us. the future is computers implementing some of our biological features to themselves
This is more like a circa 1957 computer rather than one from 1969....which were becoming more 'main-stream' in design by then. Most of the start-up procedures seem more to do with getting voltage to this cumbersome machine (?).
Nowadays, you'd have to carry out numerous risk-assessments before anyone would be allowed anywhere near its PSUs. I doubt any kids today would be capable of fault-finding at this level. Impressive to say the least.
the ORIGINAL computer nerds, these guys sons and grandsons are here today as computer programmers and software engineers, thats if they ever stopped playing noughts and crosses enough to go get laid
Hmm didn't have anything like this at coopers comprehensive! Can't have future site labourers and bus drivers messing around with this stuff . Good lord no !
@Riiye Before you start calling people stupid, you may want to reread my comment. LOL. I was using sarcasm to point out that Macs are far superior to PC's.
I've never had to check the oil in a computer before. lol
Lots of mechanical moving parts. Times before everything was solid state.
😂😁
Dang it, no wonder my computer is always crashing, I never topped up the oil🤣
Forget the modern multi grade stuff today, back then you needed von Neumann Extra Gold. 😊
Wow - takes me back! Forest Grammar School Class 1A, academic year 1968 to 1969 - whole class was pretending to be binary registers doing adding (by raising of hands) under direction by Mr.Pomeroy, maths teacher. The clip from 5:05 to 5:23 features Roland Hughes nearest camera, me Kelvin Watson in middle (I look like Mr.Bean, says my young daughter - thanks!) with Martin Turner to my left. We were running test routines on memory boards; each tray had about 30 transistors, as I recall. Great days! - would love to hear from either of my test colleagues, or any others from that class - Great days!
+Kelvin Watson Great that you was involved with this.
+Kelvin Watson
I'm impressed. What line of work did you eventually settle for ?
Kelvin Watson is Martin Turner Dr. Martin Turner I once worked in research project within uni of sydney, I am not sure but after I left I heard he retired, that was like 7-8 years ago..
I was at Forest 70-77 and the computer was replaced by the School library when we got a teletype terminal that linked us to the machine in the basement of Shire Hall in Reading.
When they were dismantling it (I think in 1970-71) managed to scavange a few bits like the huge valves and odds that are probaby somewhere here at home where my wife wont find them and label them "rubbish".
Mr Pomeroy!!! Maths teacher extraodinaire! Was in his class for Maths, he was a great teacher and saved me from remedial maths! I thought I recognised him as soon as he showed up in the piece!
Thanks for posting and for the comments about my old school!
I did go on to work in IT for many years, eventually (and almost by accident) founding an ICT consultancy that wound up heavily involved in web application development. Took early retirement and now just enjoy life!
I feel exceptionally sad in that I'm doing a computer science master's conversion at one of the best UK universities for the subject, and yet had I been a school kid in the 60s I'd have known it all already. My, how we have dumbed down the education system over the decades.
4:20
Who else expected the machine to type :
_'A strange game. The only winning move is not to play..'_
AsDeadAsDillinger I was expecting to draw a porn figure
Wow! Well it's thanks to boys like these that we are watching this on UA-cam today. Very interesting!
...and girls...I learnt to program in 1974!
@referral madness I started with FORTRAN WATFOR, then COBOL, BASIC, REXX, SAS, Usercode, Java, and PHP
Yes very smart young boys!
@@jaynesamuel-walker3284: Its a shame but here in the States young girls are not pursuing the math and sciences like they once did.
The same year this film was made Margaret Hamilton built the hardware and wrote the code for the Apollo 11 Guidance system that landed on the moon. It's really a shame.
@@tommyhallum2054 It’s the same in the UK and I remember seeing a photograph of Margaret Hamilton beside a stack of printout which was taller than her!
I had the benefit of going to an all-girls independent school and our ratio of maths/chemistry/physics/biology to arts A-level (17 and 18 year olds) was 1:2. About 20 girls did science and 40 did arts. I think that ratio is unheard of these days.
My school had a strong reputation for developing scientists since it opened in 1860. Our first science laboratory opened in 1890 and was one of the first science labs in an all-girls school in the UK.
Computer was donated to the school by the Army Garrison at Arborfeild was a big thing at the time. I went to that school at the time.
+Steffi Ri And here was me thinking it was Mother's Pride. I had Spud for maths in the early eighties, but maybe I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been. Actually had maths classes in the very room that computer sat in.
5:50 love how they’re acting like it’s a nuclear plant going into meltdown and the world is about to end but really it just brokedown whilst playing drunken sailor 😂 😂
I think I would have a mental breakdown looking after that machine lol
Here these spiffy young chaps are hooking up one of the chiefmost engines of this personal electronics computing to the clock hands of Big Ben. Upon striking twelve o'clock buttercup, the the machine will express one plus one in binary and with additional assistance, calculate an answer. What a brave new world for these chaps indeed.
The start up was a lot simpler, but being teenagers we persuaded the producer to make it look more exciting . We were disappointed that Raymond Baxter didn't come to the school, just an unknown producer.
"Some of the older boys have tried teaching the computer to print out pictures of naked ladies, but that sort of thing may take decades"
+gusbaker4u: We already did it back then, using ascii art on a Teletype!
@@cdl0 There's a youtube video of the IBM 1401 at the Computer History Museum printing out pin-ups from code written back in the '50s.
@@therealchayd
"Where there is life, there is pr0n"
Imagine having to fault find youre phone everytime you start it....and change the oil.
I really wish I had been alive for the birth of computers. I'm only 22 and know my way around my machine, but it would so fascinating to witness the evolution of such an incredible technology.
NolanOnTheRiver shut up nerd
Kid Sundance Oh, save us from the uniformed and unwilling to learn plebeian.
I won a computer in the 1970s but my dad couldn’t afford to hire a fleet of lorries to get it home
omg... it was like operating a nuclear missile silo...
TET2005 damn. It was like throwing a 11 year old to operate the ISS nowadays
I know all this lot , this is bizarre , The teachers are Pomeroy and Daley , Maths and Physics , and I used to test those boards as well..................
Keith ... minor memory lapse on the teacher names, the physics teacher was my uncle Cyril Dally.
I was at school in the seventies and while the computer nerds were learning binary I was learning the female anatomy with Gillian Clark behind the bike sheds.
Those computer nerds built this website and are now billionaires. How far did your right hand get you behind that shed?
Delty Ploy It's a joke you nerds
Dog cool story
Donut Worry I wasn't knocking computer nerds, moreover my stupid sense of importance had I not been behind the bike sheds with girls and focused all that energy into learning.
But did you check her oil first?
Stumbled upon. And funny as all get out.
I started this video with the same settings from the previous video I watched. Ya, so absentmindedly left at 0.25 speed and full screen I pressed play for this video.
Sat back in my chair, relaxed.
This video at 0.25 speed is hilarious. Like Monty Python gone Psycho!
I howled with laughter!
Peace Out to All!
Learning. Thanks all.
its amazing to see how far computers have come, my phone is more powerful that that computer
My earphones are more powerful than that computer.
It's likely that your phone is even more powerful than what would have been regarded as a supercomputer back in the 1980s.
The chip in a plastic toy from china is far far more powerful
An average smartphone of today is on the same level as a full desktop PC of 10 years ago.
An average smartphone of today is on the same level as a full desktop PC of 10 years ago.
Why am i getting all this recommendations about our old tech back in the days. Not complaining though. On the other hand, I am very amazed watching all these now. It takes all my anxiety from this lockdown around us. I am also in awe at how fast how tech has evolved in just a short span of time.
At school in 1982.I was told by my physics teacher that I didn't need to learn about computers as they would not be used in every day life!
Beyond excellent!!
what an brilliant clip! those schoolboys must be pretty old now, they look like they were in their 40's back then.
Before that they had to clean up the manure from the computer every day, so, that was a vast improvement this here.
pfft, computers will never catch on. Complicated abacuses is all they are.
you typed that on a computer, moron
+Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus Joke.
Smart clever kids in those days
“There may be a worldwide market of maybe four or five computers” - President of IBM, 1950.
lol wtf
Nellie the in-tell-e-gent Elephant
Damn, it booted faster and with less fuss then my modern windows 7 computer
picturing Mr Bean going to Orientation day and pressing random buttons on the computer when no one was looking, and blowing the whole thing out.
This is computing history, I was five when this was televised.
I got a HP laptop that loads exactly like this
This is amazing ... I have never seen the kids learning binary math. This should be added to the school curriculum immediately in Canada!
In russia we learn the binary math at school :D
+Ильдар Каримов I learnt that in 4th and 5th form.
I thought in Russia binary math learns you.
We taught each other basic binary math in high school in Australia, but most teachers had no clue what it was.
We do in uk if u do computer science gcse
ruddy heck what a kerfuffle 😁😂😂😂😂
We did this in my Grammar School in the Rhondda South Wales in 1960s...cant remember using Castrol GTX on start up however!!
This reminds me of missile silo procedures. "Turn your key, Sir!"
Added to our favourites list :)
Thank you Alan Turing..
3:20. Nice to see a young Jacob Rees Mogg!
I’d like to say that the Comprehensive school I went to in 1978 was just like this, though sadly it wasn’t.
My thoughts too as I knew like many others that computers were 'the future' but my 'bog standard' east end comp of the 80s didn't really have any teaching of the subject. Its unfunny because at my sons secondary they only have a single day/two hours of teaching, which IMO is not enough. Every half term i have been paying for my son to attend coding camp which cost over £500 a week, out of reach for many families!!!!
@@funkg I can add nothing to what you say except to thank you for your reply.
I can see many similarities between the way our country is now to how it was in the 1970’s. We are stagnating and calcifying and our great nation deserves so much better.
Anyway, take care. David
Unbelievable. Oil?! And I thought our first computer, with a turbo button, from 1990 was a dinosaur. Crazy.
Those guys had hipster glasses before it was cool, so radical!
Awesome video!
Of course the modern method of dealing with faults is to swear at the machine and google relentlessly until it work again/you give up.
BeepSmile of course
The difference is alot of kids dont actually understand what they are doing with the computers..they just do it becuase the motions are ingrained from a young age, back then you had to learn hard science to operate it.
Watching this in bed on a phone seems wrong.
Health and safety would have a field day with that now lol
1969, that was the year I passed my driving test. I was working for a higher purchase company, and they were experimenting with the use of computers. A whole floor housed all of the computer equipment. We had two monitors, (called CRTs), on the floor I was working on and everything had to go through a mainframe to access details of the customers accounts. It was 21 years before the first home computer was invented.
There was no internet in those days and each computer stood on its own. No fear of being hacked or scammed - carefree days. A case of what you have never had you do not miss., I guess I would be just as happy writing BASIC programs on my Speccy as I am trawling the internet for something interesting to read.
Apple II was released in 1977 (and wasn't even the first home pc)
@@knightonlibrary1183 Oops, I should have said 12 years before the first home computer was invented, which would have made it 1981, I was unaware of the apple II I'm afraid.
@referral madness I was unaware of that referral madness, how many households actually had one though?
Neat. I recognise the uniform.
That's the Forest School in Winners, though back then it was a grammar school.
Things have gone downhill somewhat since I left in 2005...
That start-up sequence, Jesus! Nuclear turbines up to speed! Oil! Switching power over.... now ADD!
Funny watching that as its my school...
Those boys would probably have passed out if they had seen a computer like this.
7:11 It keeps hitting flat notes.
0:47 Only thing better would be if this thing had an old Mopar "Hamtramck Hummingbird" starter. Or a pull cord!
I hope those guys lived long enough to see what tech we have today
I was one of the boys in the programme representing ones and zeros by raising or lowering our hands. I remember having to test the diodes and making repairs by using a soldering iron. The computer took up a whole classroom with cables running through a hole in the wall to an adjoining classroom to two teletype terminals. Only one terminal could connect the computer at a time. The other terminal was used to type a simple programme on paper tape. The paper tapes were then transferred to the active terminal to programme the computer. I believe that our school was the first to trial a new 'O' Level subject "Maths with Computing" with a course book called "Numasets" written by Mr Hooper, head of maths, and Mr (Spud) Pomeroy.
@@grahamplatt6237 absolutely awesome, fascinating topic 🙂
We did.
I wanna use one of those computers more than a modern computer...
wonder if that was the worlds first portable computer, complete with it's own oil refinery.
Yes, I've seen one of those data storage devices (in the rectangular silver can) on UA-cam. It held data in the form of an acoustic wave in a long spring, generated via a transducer. They had done this with a mercury-filled tube at one time. I presume that it could have been termed an early form of FIFO buffer. I presume that it would have had some regenerative circuity to maintain the data in the loop until accessed.
Stephen Clementson who cares u faqin nerd
+Stephen Clementson: If I remember correctly, the device was a long, thin nickel rod bent into a loop. Acoustic waves were generated by magnetostriction using a coil at one end of the rod/loop, whereby a ferromagnetic material is deformed during magnetization (this is why electrical transformers hum) and detected by a matching coil at the other end in which a small current is generated by the passing vibrations. Each unit held one thirty-two-bit word.
I can't tell if you just made all that up or it is legit?
@@marccas10 I saw one of these spring things on UA-cam. Large amounts of short term memory storage was a very major problem without high levels of integration, so they had to find ways around the problem.
As if! Imagine letting kids into the electrical switchroom!
props to that kid who made a fucking coding language by himself
Maybe a would have been future Bill Gates but might have lost his way.
@@ZepG Probably became an accountant and made a lot of other people's money.
What happens if I reverse the polarity of the neutron flow?
these guys get to know more about how computers work than we do right now.
As long as you don't want to build a classic computer from scratch everything we learned back then is obsolete now, sorry to say..
they will faint out if they saw smart mobile phone
I wonder why we never got to see the voice-over chap here. There was a very similar on Blue Peter who voiced over their story boards occasionally.
Probably fairly simple stuff compared to what kids do with computers now.
Hah, thanks! Cheers for taking notice of my 10 month old comment, and, y'know, caring.
i can barley use a laptop now so back then i would have been doomed
lol, apologies! was more a comment on the changing times than individuals, I fully respect their/your computer competence, I'm 34 and have only just mastered the etchasketch :)
@CLICKHEREKillACHILD Fuuucking hell haha, I was taking the piss out of people who are geeky enough to make jokes like that. Would have thought the ridiculous laughter would have given it away. Check you getting all serious about "actually I think you'll find that's inaccurate for the following reasons". You've made my day :D
"Nellie" is a National Elliott 405, according to
mentalfloss.com/article/501480/watch-nellie-british-school-computer-1969
Britain in the 1960s - land of opportunity. Too dangerous and elitist nowadays.
Honestly, that looks more fun than anything I got to do as a teen in my 1990's school.
An Elliot 405? £50,000-£125,000 depending on specification, Typically £85,000
1963 average price was around £125,000
Wow, that explanation of how you add binary is certainly much easier than explaining how to add binary!
Its amazing that whilst computers have gotten smaller and much more powerful, the people using them have gotten lazier and know almost nothing about how they operate.
As long as they can get on facebook, that is all most care about.
Alex1M6 computers now must learn how WE operate to be better than us. the future is computers implementing some of our biological features to themselves
@plavins1 they probably invented some of the computers of now-times
The Apple II was about eight years away.
This would make logging into Facebook somewhat complicated I feel.
Ahhh finally the new Mac Pro!
if only they would see nowdays computers!
They're not all dead now, ya think?
This is more like a circa 1957 computer rather than one from 1969....which were becoming more 'main-stream' in design by then.
Most of the start-up procedures seem more to do with getting voltage to this cumbersome machine (?).
Where did you insert the Ethernet card? 😊
mans ability and achievement is limited by the tools he uses
Breakdown once every 12 hours. A dream scenario for Apple and their magically irrepairable Macbooks
Now that is a Computer - running on oil...!
mrs7195 damn I can only imagine the smell
prints out MY move u cant trust these computer things
Nowadays, you'd have to carry out numerous risk-assessments before anyone would be allowed anywhere near its PSUs. I doubt any kids today would be capable of fault-finding at this level. Impressive to say the least.
Why do I feel like the framerate is high?
Edit: and also the zoom in-out speed
Check the oil and start a motor-generator set?
the song they played was irish!!! :)
My first computer language was Fortran.
Me too, 1976 Newark College of Engineering (later NJIT)!
Patricia McGill For Me it was probably 1973/74 and I was still a Student (Computer Club) at Unley High School (South Australia).
@referral madness FORTRAN mostly, then COBOL and intro to SNOBOL4. More like 'did I know' than 'do I know'!
1969. He's probably retired, or about to.
I must remember to check the diodes in my dual core oh yea, where is the dip stick?
Tomorrow's world...50 years ago...
Fifty three years ago now!!
@bigmikevt
yes. but i mean back then!
that was an easy boot up sequence
the ORIGINAL computer nerds, these guys sons and grandsons are here today as computer programmers and software engineers, thats if they ever stopped playing noughts and crosses enough to go get laid
They all look like Brains from Thunderbirds. 🤓
Hmm didn't have anything like this at coopers comprehensive! Can't have future site labourers and bus drivers messing around with this stuff . Good lord no !
3.17, omg its harry potter!!
Nope, that's his dad, James! :)
tAHTS A REALLY BIG IPOD :D
I wonder if they used "DOS Shell Oil".
Don't forget to change the oil every 3000 miles.
@Riiye
Before you start calling people stupid, you may want to reread my comment. LOL. I was using sarcasm to point out that Macs are far superior to PC's.
PhillyCopsAreCorrupt stupid